Via Pam Geller: Obama creates a terrorist haven in Mali
This catastrophe did not “just happen.” It is the direct result of an episode that may at first seem unrelated: the US-led intervention in Libya last year. Rarely in recent times has there been a more vivid example of how such interventions can produce devastating unexpected results.
Under the regime of MoammarKhadafy, who was killed during the Libyan war, a portion of the army was made up of Tuaregs. They are a nomadic people whose traditional homeland is centered in northern Mali. After Khadafy was deposed, they went home — armed with potent weaponry they brought from Libya. Seeking to press their case for a homeland in Mali, they quickly overran the lightly armed Malian army.
Into this upheaval stepped another group, shaped not by ethnicity but by devotion to an extreme form of Islam. It has attracted Al Qaeda militants from many countries, including Nigeria, Pakistan, Somalia, and Algeria. They seek to create a pure Muslim state — and are destroying mosques and Islamic monuments that they believe represent the wrong kind of Islam.
This is an emerging crisis that could engage the world for years. A vast region has fallen out of the control of central government and into the hands of violent radicals. They may cause far more death and suffering than Khadafy ever did.
Everything, and I mean everything, about the US involvement in Libya over the last several years smells like a three-day-old fish.
Still no word from Elephant Legs or anyone else.
So much for the formally relevant Congressional Committees.
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/lauren-collins/2012/10/mitt-mali-and-france.html
Much as I loathe Obama, I don’t think that the Mali and Algerian situations can be directly linked to him (or France) except as ‘causal sparks’.
Obama himself didn’t want to go into Libya; he was shamed into doing so by France and the UK. But Obama’s refusal wasn’t for rational reasons but for personal reasons; he’s not interested in situations where he doesn’t feel able to control the agenda or the population. That is, he wasn’t interested in the 2009 Iranian demonstrations for freedom because, ah, the people were interested in freedom. Not Obama. And he’s not interested in Libya or Algeria or Mali, for the same reasons. Obama is always and only, about Himself. And he doesn’t work well with others in charge, eg, France or the UK. Or Congress.
The MENA has its own tinder, waiting for the spark. The tinder to be lit, so to speak, was and is, already existent.
The tinder is the backward, pre-industrial uneducated population in these areas and the refusal of their governments to modernize the population. The massive increase in population are unable to live within a non-industrial economy and rely on subsidization from the government (shades of US food stamps). But this too is inadequate and the unrest is being repressed by the govt – who, instead of enabling a private enterprise economy, are repressing the people. This is ‘hot fodder’ for radicals to move in.
The Islamic fascist movement has moved in, an anti-industrial, anti-modernization utopian ideology, naive, brutal, primitive, ignorant and emotionally totally involving. Akin to all utopian ideologies in all their variations, whether they be communist, fascist, religious fundamentalism, or Occupy or Idle No More.
The West is actually fighting the battles that these MENA governments ought to be dealing with themselves. The West is putting down the Islamic radicals. But, the MENA governments ought to be freeing their own people, economically and politically, and educating them to participate in a modern economy. That’s the vital task – and the MENA governments are failing to do this.
Quiz for the resident collectivists considering themselves hardcore right wingers: Name at least a couple of terrorist organizations and a couple of terrorist states that US did not help to arm to the teeth.
Only logical way to fight the spread of Islamic Fascism. Close our borders to all Moslems. Deport all you can, men, women and children. Stop training and arming Islamic states. Stop squandering tax dollars and lives trying to help them. And end all diversity programs and Multi-Cult spending and programming. It always ends in Yugoslavic Massacres.
RFB, your suggestions don’t sound very logical to me.
I certainly reject multiculturalism and its support for isolationsist, self-referencing identity blocs, but how would your suggestions aid in modernizing the MENA?
The battle to be fought is within the MENA governments, within their refusal to move into a private sector market economy, to enable the economic development and political empowerment of a middle class. [And no, ‘middle class’ doesn’t mean people ‘in the middle’; it means the private sector economy).
This takes an industrial infrastructure, it takes education that moves out of memorizing the Qur’an, it takes the equality of women, and a constant campaign against the naive fanatic utopianism of Islamist fascism. These are all actions that must be carried out by the Islamic governments. In the MENA.
If the US were still a functional constitutional republic, Obumbles would be impeached and facing jail time for treason. I mean what else is a fitting response for a President who openly declares he has unilaterally relinquished the nation’s constitutional sovereignty over war making powers to an unelected foreign body of bureaucrats (the UN) – and who enters or maintains his nation’s military conflicts via executive fiat rather than the constitutionally demanded consent of congress. Yes Libya stinks and Afghanistan and Iraq and Pakistan and Mali and every other hell hole US foreign policy involves undeclared war and commitment of US military in unsanctioned conflict.
If this out of control dictator is not impeached, we may as well write off the US as just another 3rd world dictatorship with imperialist instincts.
People misunderstand that a modern economy and mindset doesn’t just emerge, fully grown, as Athena from Zeus. It exists within an economic and political infrastructure.
The MENA tribal dictatorships have no ‘national’ economic or political infrastructure. They rule by force of the military and/or theology. When these dictators are toppled, there’s an enormous political vacuum, because there’s no infrastructure.
No constitution, no set of laws, no established government system. What happens? Brute force, physical or mental, rapidly moves in. That’s the Islamic fascists who operate by both force and mind control.
The MENA’s industrial capacity, particularly in oil and gas, has been developed by the West. The MENA didn’t educate their own people; they didn’t set up a secondary economic mode based on small businesses. They simply relied on the West to set up the resource extraction systems, and the dictators took the profits and bought off the population by subsidizing their bare minimum lives (hmm, shades of Obama?).
When this economy can’t sustain the population; when the dictators fall, the vacuum that remains is grabbed by the radicals, for radicals operate just like dictators. Same thing.
They can’t last, for the same problems of impoverishment continue to exist. But, to actually remodel the economic and political systems of the MENA, to enable a modern economy, that’s going to take time. And a lot of internal violence.
Propping up dictators won’t help; it will only incite the people against the West. Negotiating with the Islamic fascists won’t help, for radicals are unamenable to reason. We have to reject multiculturalism in our own lands, and protect ourselves. And not fund radical agendas.
Hi ET you mistake me for someone who cares what happens to any of these bums anymore. They can eat camel dung for all I care. No amount of blood and treasure from Canada is worth sacrificing for a people and a culture that is murdering, butchering, blowing up, stoning and beheading innocent people. 24/7/365. They are a true MURDER CULT and that is all they are. Let them all starve for all I care. Same as I could care less for the IDLE SOME CROWD cut them off and quit kissing their a*sses. Sell the Moslem countries cheap firearms so the women and defend themselves let them clean up their own mess. Just like the Trillions in aid poured into Africa. They wanted the Whiteman out. Well he is out and they are starving. Now the Communist Chinese are the biggest players in Africa, in many of hese hotspots. They have bought up 100’s of Millions of acres of the choice farm land and are shipping all of the food home. And we are still sending food to Africa. We are not the problem. Stay out of these countries, cut off their aid. Allow no immigration from Moslem countries just like Japan does. And let them butcher each other up. Who cares.
This is nothing but further concrete, tangible proof that the theories of idiotic people like ET are a complete and utter failure and nothing but a waste of the West’s taxpayer dollars. ET wanted foreign intervention in Libya and naturally she wants foreign intervention in Mali NOW. Every foreign intervention creates a vicious cycle of endless foreign interventions at the expense of the West’s taxpayers.
All ET has to offer is a bunch of “I think” , “I think” or “I don’t think” when confronted with the cold hard facts.
And the rationale for these foreign interventions from the idiot-savant ET is nothing but the leftist idea that the West should civilize the seventh century savages of the Middle East. Poor people living in squalor, it is our “duty” and our “moral obligation” to help them, blah, blah blah. Think of the children(TM). If only we allocated a huge portion of the federal budget to drop bombs over them and destroy their primitive infrastructure and then we allocated some more to reconstruct it, they would all turn into sociology majors at Bishop’s.
How on earth is this considered a conservative policy?
This is why the GOP is so f’ed up and beyond repair, when these leftists infiltrated it and brainwashed everyone into thinking this horse manure is conservative.
RFB for PM!
I’ll volunteer to do deportations for free.
1. “Close our borders to all Moslems. Deport all you can, men, women and children.”
2. “No amount of blood and treasure from Canada is worth sacrificing for a people and a culture that is murdering, butchering, blowing up, stoning and beheading innocent people. 24/7/365. They are a true MURDER CULT and that is all they are.”
Do you know any Muslims personally?
Since the victories of Charles Martel and Jan Sobieski Islam remained dormant in the sands until the US and Russia armed it to the teeth. I don’t give a flying [beep] about conditions in the muslim countries in particular and 3d world in general. Build a friggin’ wall already.
There, there, Daniel. Don’t fret; it’s just your own nightmare and common to people with neurotic hangups. There, there.
If you would bother to stop frothing in hatred of me (my, my, you do have a personal agenda, don’t you), and actually read my comments, you’d see that my point is that the changes have be internal to the MENA. Got that? Do you know what internal means? It means done by the Islamist people themselves. Not by the West. Got that?
There, there, you’ve got a personal vendetta against me, for your own neurotic reasons, but don’t fret. People who are entrapped in neuroses can, with help, move out of them. Be hopeful. Smile.
When E.T. explains the structural elements of the problem as a lack of modernity. is simply that analysis.
The reason for seeing that the modernization goes ahead, is partly humanitarianism but primarily, a practical necessity!
It’s to protect Western Civilization against the CHAOS that failed states and Islamization can and will inflict on us.
Watch Dr. Bill Warner’s “Why we are afraid” for a quick 1400 year history of Islam and anything it could get it’s hands on.
When the nations dependent on shipping, as senders and receivers, sent advanced naval vessels to suppress Somalian pirates, it wasn’t a humanitarian gesture.
It was the same reason that Pres. Jefferson had to form a navy and suppress the Barbary pirates. Nations economies live on trade and commerce.
Isolationism is attractive psychologically, but just practical in the modern world. We’re too interconnected economically.
I do know many. Some of them tried to kill me. Unsuccessfully. Satisfied, irhabi?
Daniel, ET is far from “idiotic” and when you begin a post by such vindictive words you have lost my interest and I stop reading. She is more than capable of responding to valid criticism and defending her point of view. I personally have no use for muslims and this is just reaffirmed by Egypt’s jailing of a woman for 15 years for trying to become a Christian under their new sharia law constitution.
The Libyan intervention was a very bad no good move that worsened Mali but Geller’s article is inaccurate and misleading is such a way as I’ve come to expect from this snake-oil pseudo-scholar. Mali has had Taureg and Islamist issues for a long time beforehand and AQIM has had a presence in the Sahel for years before the liberation of Libya. I think Qaddafi would’ve been defeated inevitably and this whole mess just might have played out anyway, albeit more slowly and perhaps less potently. Mali’s government and army were just too damn weak.
Your IQ is too low to realize that end result of any attempt to ‘civilize’ muslims is arming of the shahids. The muslims pay zakaat. Every penny to the muslims from the West filters into zakaat. Zakaat’s main destination is ‘spreading of islam’, i.e. jihad. Ignorant fools!
“I do know many. Some of them tried to kill me. Unsuccessfully. Satisfied, irhabi?”
Argumentum ad hominem is a logical fallacy.
No one is ARGUING with you. You are being warned. This is my counter-dawa, irhabi.
In reply to Larry, yes, I agree. We are a globally interconnected world, both economically and informationally.
We can’t, for our own security, afford to allow one massive region, with billions of people in their population count, remain festering within poverty and military and theocratic dictatorships. That’s because it’s impossible to isolate such a vast territory.
Kindly remember that the oil and gas deposits of the MENA are vital; remember also that they import our technology and our products since they haven’t developed their own small business communities and their own skills. Remember also the transportation paths of Suez and elsewhere.
Despite the flip suggestions, and I do think they are flippant and lacking thought, of isolation – this is the 21st century, not the 18th, and isolation is impossible.
As for ‘can the Muslims change’? Of course they can. It’s not simply that I know of quite a few highly intelligent, educated and analytic Muslims, but we must be aware that there remain plenty of our own who are ignorant of reality and susceptible to propaganda. They elected Obama and swoon over Trudeau, and chant for the Idle No More. Our past shows that we too are quite capable of following, with violence, propaganda and lies.
Just thinking out of the box here, but Mali is the 3rd largest gold producer in Africa.
Doesn’t the US and France owe Germany quite a bit of gold right now?
The mind wanders over this possible conspiracy.
Now, please, continue on with your argument. It is most entertaining…
This is getting heated, settle down, don’t throw the keyboard across the room.
In my personal experience, there are Muslims that WANT to integrate, have experienced the violent horrors first hand.
Then you have the political idealists that get so caught up in the “crusade”, all reason goes out the window, and atrocity happens.
They have to sort themselves out IMHO and yes “blood and treasure” is not the answer.
dwright (my $0.02)
The fact is folks in the 30’s we had to deal with a facist movement in Europe that was growing lick rottered lichen. Today that Movement has become Islam (there is no moderate Islam) backed by a religious cult who knows no Mercy. Whos god demands the blood of those who don’t follow this anti human creed.
Its spreading like wildfire amoung its devotees. This will light the World on fire again. The conditions are the same .From Jew hatred to appeasers of human tyranny.
Governments with no nbackbone. Even Presidents who admire mass murders.
As for Obama if people don’t realise hes part of it as a Muslim than no evidence could sway them. How many Nations has he turned to Sharia law, against those who want civilization? He grew up Muslim, in a Muslim country with two Fathers who where Muslim. Get a clue people.
Those who follow this cult are commanded to lie for allah.
“In my personal experience, there are Muslims that WANT to integrate”
Yeah, they are cute until they are 2% of population! Dr. Peter Hammond, Slavery, Terrorism and islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat, Christian Liberty Books ISBN 0958454981, 978-0958454988:
* As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens.
* At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. You probably noticed that criminal news are showing presence of muslim names in the gang crime reports.
* From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves – along with threats for failure to comply. If you suddenly noticed halal food in the stores, that is where you are. At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the islamic Law. The ultimate goal of islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
* When muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris, France we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-muslim action offends islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam.
* After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, attacks on and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues.
* At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare.
* From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and jizya, the tax placed on infidels.
* After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim.
* 100% muslim population will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ – the islamic House of Peace. Here there supposed to be peace, because everybody is a muslim, the madrasses are the only schools, and the quran is the only word. Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical muslims, for a variety of reasons. When muslims run out of non-muslims to kill, they start killing other muslims for being wrong kind of Muslims.
This is the kind of pseudo-scholar snake oil that I was talking about.
ET wrote:
“My point is that the changes have be internal. Got that? Do you know what internal means? It means done by the Islamist people themselves. Not by the West. Got that?”
Wow.
Do you disown and disavow your previous support for foreign intervention in Libya? Afghanistan? Iraq?
Kind of hard not to backpedal given the sheer weight of the evidence.
LAS, I agree, though I don’t know if I would even add the term ‘scholar’ to the rhetoric of Hammond.
Sounds very similar to the Third Reich view of the Jews.
On another point, notice how silent Obama is about Mali. Just as he was silent about Benghazi. He doesn’t believe in the reality of Islamic terrorism and fascism.
ET @ 12:13 PM
“My point is that the changes have be internal. Got that? Do you know what internal means? It means done by the Islamist people themselves. Not by the West. Got that?”
ET @ 1:04 PM
“We can’t afford to allow one massive region, with billions of people in their population count, remain festering within poverty and military and theocratic dictatorships.”
Not only idiotic but also suffering from multiple personality disorder.
Daniel, your irrational personal animosity towards me (?!) and your ignorance of history and societal systems prevents you from any reasonable analysis.
The West can assist the MENA to free itself of dictators, for the people in those nations can’t easily fight against those military forces. Why should the West do this?
Because, as I’ve said before, the population of the MENA is too large for a tribal political system, and too large for a distributive statist economy. The tribal dictators try to maintain both but this is the cause of Islamic fascism. Islamic fascism then harms the West because it bleeds into the West. The world is a connected network and the isolation that was possible in the 18th c doesn’t exist any longer.
The West can assist the rebels, either in fact or by open statements of support; it can then urge them to set up a constitution and rule of law but it cannot write either; that has to be internal and done by the people.
The changes to their culture, to bring in gender equality, the rule of law, a middle class, democracy etc, all have to be internal; they can’t be imposed. But, the people have to have the political freedom and the economic strength to do this! You don’t seem to understand this. That’s your problem.
As for your personal animosity towards me, that’s also your problem.
The reason people don’t like you ET is because you are basically SDA’s Tom Friedman.
Heh, LAS, sorry, I’m not familiar with him. Do you mean the three Pulitzer Prizes or what?
I think that Daniel has his own neurotic pathologies for he doesn’t write a coherent analysis or rebuttal of my points. He just reduces himself to the trivial ad hominem.
I know that you are admired here, possibly because of your support for various leftist agendas (I can’t remember them; I think marijuana was one..can’t recall the others) and your hostility to Harper.
LAS >
“The reason people don’t like you ET is because you are basically SDA’s Tom Friedman.”
Ha ha LOL.
The reason people don’t like “you(s)” is that all of your blathering about MENA affaires over the years have proven to be wrong while all the nay say’ers have been proven to be right.
Yet you still blather on.
Everything happening today in North Africa is playing out exactly as foretold by ALL the people arguing with ET, LAS and a few others from the beginning of the Arab Spring. The SDA achieves are a hilarious record of their “arguments”, backpedaling, and excuses for the last 2 years.
DUH.
Let’s be honest here at least for once, eh LAS.
No, Knight 99, I’ll maintain my points.
I’ve said that the MENA can’t continue on in the old two-class tribal political infrastructure made up of Rulers and Ruled (no middle class) and the statist top-down redistribution economy (no private sector middle class economy).
I’ll stand by that analysis and it certainly hasn’t been proven wrong. Indeed, it’s been shown to be right, as the MENA is in serious economic trouble because it has no private sector and the people have shown they want power and their own freedoms.
Reasons? The population has grown too large for a two-class tribal political mode, and a statist distribution economy using only raw resource distribution can’t sustain that exponential increase in population.
Most of you utterly ignore these basic facts. Instead, you flitter around ideology – and ideology doesn’t exist in a cloud by itself, but must rest within an economic and political infrastructure. When that infrastructure collapses as it is in the MENA, the ideology goes ‘haywire’…and moves into utopian emptiness or, as it has, into fascism.
I’ve also said that the transformation would take decades and, as it did in the West, would involve violence and internal conflicts. Most of you live in a movieland timescale where you think that change occurs as the war ends and the credits start scrolling up on the screen. No, it takes decades, or even generations.
You, Knight, see only what you have experienced, which are the results of that tribal system and that refusal of that system to modernize, educate its people and move them into the modern world. You refuse to look beyond this current reality and see that such a population and mindset cannot last. It cannot economically or politically last – and must change.
What are the ‘solutions’ that so many SDAers come up with? Well, a common one is ‘nuke them all’. Then, there’s the ‘isolationist’ tactic which is rather similar to the Obama tactic of ‘If I ignore them then they’ll go away’. Or, let them all kill themselves.
That’s about it and is revealing of both the paucity of historic knowledge and the ignorance of the results of such tactics to the rest of the world.
And no, Knight, there are a number of people on this blog, whom I respect, and who agree with my analysis. Just as there are those who agree with your view. Now, we’ll just have to wait and see, won’t we? But again, don’t live by the movie format; change doesn’t occur as the movie credits scroll up on the screen.
Knight99 has it right.
Check the archives here at SDA.
ET is full of chit.
She’s kind of like Barack Obama, a malignant narcissist who can never admit she’s wrong.
The USA and France are short of gold, Germany has demanded France pay back the gold the latter borrowed and the USA has been reported to have gold plated tunsten bars in the vault at Ft Knox- what has this to do with Mali? Well Mali is the biggest, cheapest gold producing country in Africa.
http://www.investcom.com/moneyshow/gold_mali.htm
So why has France, of all places!, turned aggressive in Mali and why is Barry O! wanting to ‘help’? Hummm…
Sorry Mikey, I did not read your post before I posted else I would have replied and agreed with what you had already posted. I thought Mali was 1st in Africa, I stand corrected.
I know that you are admired here, possibly because of your support for various leftist agendas (I can’t remember them
You can’t remember them because you are full of sh*& and like to make stuff up.
Knightcap has no grounds to criticise the predictive capacity of others. He and his fellow bedwetters have been all MOOSLIM TAKEOVER for a decade now and it’s been complete crap. The only Arab country with Islamic takeover problems is Egypt. And I still don’t feel that threatened.
“Political correctness” is a term fostered by a delusional,illogical,liberal minority,and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media,which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
It would be pretty silly of me, Oz, to say that I was wrong if I believe that I’m right. As I said, I stand by my outline of the need for change in the MENA. And my rejection of the key suggestions of ‘what to do with them’ by some people here at SDA.
If you are so eager for me to change my mind, then, provide some empirical evidence and rational analysis to convince me of the folly of my viewpoint. Don’t just repeat the assertion that ‘they should all be killed’. Deal with my variables of population and economy.
But calling me names is hardly an argument. Personally attacking me, as one person does, who himself uses at least three blog names, one of which is banned and one of which is misspelled, is not an argument.
That’s OK. It is amazing anyone can take in anything relevant in this forum due to all the arguments about who’s e-penis is the largest.
It is just a coincidence that Mali is getting attention when France and the US are in need of some gold…
LAS >
“And I still don’t feel that threatened.”
Neither do I, mostly because the worm is finally turning on you and your ilk. Serious people are putting their hard working lives down a little more and pay attention to what’s really been going on. People are waking up.
Thank god for the Honorable Stephan Harper, deporting Iran’s diplomats and shutting their embassy down was a good first step.
Piss on you, we’re getting our country back.
Mikey >
Why was Obamba the first US president to chair the UN Security Council in direct violation of his Mandates of Office and the Constitution?
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2009/September/Obama-to-Chair-UN-Security-Council/
As ET said @ 9:50am “Obama himself didn’t want to go into Libya; he was shamed into doing so by France and the UK.”
Yea? It’s interesting that the leader of the world’s only superpower is “shamed” into French and Italian foreign entanglements.
Here is Obamba’s Defence Secretary Leon Panetta telling Congress that the military takes orders from the UN and not Congress.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovuWJQrwpIw
Because he is a pawn figurehead to the people in the background pulling the strings. We call him and “empty suit” because he is just a puppet.
Knight99, Obama doesn’t want to enter into any war against Islamist terrorists.
Some say it’s because he’s pro-Muslim. That’s quite probable. He’s certainly anti-American and anti-West.
And there’s his narcissism to consider. Obama refuses to interact with anything or anyone whom he feels he cannot control. If he feels he can’t control them, his defense tactic is to wipe them from his mind. They, and that situation, simply don’t exist.
After all, he’s already defined terrorism and Al Qaeda as almost non-existent. He’s renamed any conflicts as ‘overseas contingency operations’.He considers that he has conquered Al Qaeda and wants nothing to do with any situation that suggests that Al Qaeda is, instead, very strong, and threatening, not only the West, but also current governments in the MENA.
So, Obama wouldn’t go into Libya on his own. Or Syria. Or Mali. Or Algeria. And he’ll ignore Benghazi. And ignore Egypt and continue to fund it. The French and British went into Libya and this, along with a clear propaganda campaign on their part to show the human rights violations of Ghadaffi, did indeed force Obama to, ‘from the air’, engage in what he refused to call a war. And he left rapidly, leaving the weapons and the Al Qaeda behind rather than cleaning up and listening to what his Libyan ambassador was warning about.
Notice that he’s said nothing now about Mali or Algeria or Egypt. Nothing. Al Qaeda doesn’t exist for him.
mostly because the worm is finally turning on you and your ilk.
I don’t know WTF this means and I highly doubt you do.
Al Qaeda doesn’t exist for him.
So he’s drone-bombing something he doesn’t believe in?
LAS >
“the worm is finally turning……. I don’t know WTF this means…”
No surprises there.
Do you know anything LAS?
LAS, that drone bombing, where Obama personally selects ‘Who Shall My Drones Kill Today’ (which act includes various civilians as well) has little to do with Al Qaeda, and more to do with his own pathological need to control and destroy.
IF Obama genuinely believed that Al Qaeda was a viable force, then, he’d say so. Instead he denies their strength and renames all such attacks, as he did in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Benghazi as due to other causes (man-caused disasters) or, heh, ‘that video’. And, he’d do something, politically and economically, about the rise of jihadism rather than totally ignoring it.
Obama’s personal video-game selection of Who Shall My Drones Kill Today, is, in my view, a pathological, amoral and illegal act of a demented person.
If you don’t feel threatened here is Mark Steyn on the latest from the UK as a 200 year old church is now a mosque. You may think what 454guy posted was just an exaggeration but the UK’s muslim population has doubled to 4 million in just over a decade and its muslim enclaves are increasing in their major cities.
http://www.steynonline.com/5387/the-veil-descends