Angela Merkel, addressing her Christian Democratic Union party:
“We don’t have too much Islam, we have too little Christianity. We have too few discussions about the Christian view of mankind,” she said to applause from the hall.
Germany needs more public discussion “about the values that guide us (and) about our Judeo-Christian tradition,” she said. “We have to stress this again with confidence, then we will also be able to bring about cohesion in our society.”
Nein. Das ist verboten:
Her party looks set to pass a resolution Tuesday stressing that German culture has Judeo-Christian roots, an idea that critics say aims to marginalize Islam.
Whoops, I made a mistake.
I wrote, “The secularized, statist West has become morally soft, self-referential, and selfish, while using the jackboot of the state to punish anyone who doesn’t march in lock step to the utopian band.”
Actually, the secular state doesn’t “punish anyone who doesn’t march in lock step to the utopian band”, does it? It certainly doesn’t punish Muslims, who at least have it correct, that the West is morally soft and decadent. It doesn’t punish native or immigrant thugs or anyone, it seems, who has dark skin and practises a religion other than Judasim or Christianity.
In fact, the secular state doesn’t punish any groups it considers to be “victims”. By the utopians’ narrow definition—Bingo!—only minorities can be victims, while the majority—the very people who built the West—are considered oppressors, and treated as such: members of the Judeo-Christian majority are being regularly persecuted by a suspension of the rule of law. I hope the sleeping giant finally wakes up and says, “I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore!”
As I said, “God help us.”
I’ll take “What “current wave of religious fanaticism”?” for a 100 Alex.
Or did you lead your platoon through Oberstdorf to Garmisch-Partenkirchen during March break while surreptitiously quoting Hitler ?
The only religious fanaticism I’ve seen in 48 years on earth has been the Islamic revolution, Oprah bullshit, Green Evangelicalism and hyper equality social justice.
The countries that loaded the fridge with those fish are now starting to stinkup the neighbourhood.
Merkel noticed.
Well said, richfisher!
Trying to win the war against Islam using another religion (or religions) isn’t going to work, indeed it is a sign of defeat.
For example Catholics are some of the most left-leaning liberal people I know, and they will be of no help at all, and there’s a lot of them. Further, Catholic politicians epitomize hypocrisy like nothing else. Forget counting on them for anything to do with saving the West.
You win the war with courage, standing against political correctness, and debate based on truth and hard facts.
Well said TJ.
Hey, TJ, you don’t know the Christians I know. Indeed, “muscular Christians” tend to attempt to “. . . win the war with courage, standing against political correctness, and debate based on truth and hard facts”.
Of course, as “no good deed goes unpunished”, principled Christians—or others who respect our Judeo-Christian heritage, e.g., Mark Steyn, Ezra Levant, Ann Coulter, Christie Blatchford, Opus Dei members, campus pro-life students, REAL Women, Ayaan Hursi Ali et al—are the ones being persecuted. I guess you hadn’t noticed. (Maybe because the Lamestream media, such as the CBC, keep such principled people out of sight as much as possible.)
Re Catholics: check out the Pope’s Regensburg address. To try to lump all Catholics together, as standing down in this fight for civilization is puerile—and definitely not based on the “truth and hard facts” you claim to respect.
P.S. For TJ: Re the widespread censorship practised by such draconian institutions as the lamestream media (CBC, TVO), universities, public schools, and most mainline, Protestant churches (to name some):
To what “debate” would you be referring? These institutions stifle debate and marginalize anyone who might wish to bring “truth and hard facts” to the table.
Where have you been? (Maybe hanging out with other, ill-informed types like Alex. If I were you, I’d broaden my horizons.)
Trying to win the war against Islam using another religion (or religions) isn’t going to work, indeed it is a sign of defeat.
Merkel isn’t trying to use religion.
She is trying to use culture and stating that historically German cultural tradition is based on Judeo/Christians values and that to conserve German culture it should be recognized where it’s values originated.
You are reading into this something that isn’t there and it shows your bias.
That said, I agree it isn’t going to work.
The State shouldn’t be advocating culture or religion.
To win, it is necessary to attack the political aspect of the ideology known as Islam the way Geert Wilders does.
Lookout, I have read everything Steyn has written and agree with 99.9% of what he says, same for Ezra, same for Ayaan Hursi Ali. I am also a paid up member of REAL woman, in large part because I admire their courage and their persistence, and what they accomplish despite their small size.
Petty little comments such as “I guess you hadn’t noticed” are nothing other than speculation on your part.
By the way, what was Tredeau? A Roman Catholic. If that son-of-a-bitch were still alive there’s no doubt he would be pandering to the worst elements of Islam.
Based on years of personal experience, and much reading on my part, it is my view that using Western religions as the basis upon which to combat Islam will be a failed strategy.
Let us not forget too the more modern “religions” of political correctness and liberalism.
So, TJ, we seem to agree on quite a lot—how would I have known?—including that political correctness and liberalism are “modern ‘religions'”.
So, how come acknowledging the importance of the Judeo-Christian dispensation, that undergirds the freedoms of the West, “isn’t going to work, indeed it is a sign of defeat”? I don’t get your reasoning here.
Re Trudeau: a CINO, Catholic in Name Only. Indeed, you’re the one who wrote, “Catholic politicians epitomize hypocrisy like nothing else. Forget counting on them for anything to do with saving the West.” I agree with you. (But I don’t look to politicians to “sav[e] the West”, though politicians have a crucial role to play—and better they be observant Christians than secular utopians.)
You write, “You win the war with courage, standing against political correctness, and debate based on truth and hard facts.” Nothing in what you say disqualifies Christians and those who appreciate their contributions to civilization from being in the forefront of this war.
In fact, in over three decades of being on the front lines of this battle for civilization, I’ve experienced the reality that it is generally Christians and their fellow travellers (those who don’t sell Christianity down the river, as you seem to have done) who have the guts “to stand . . . against political correctness, and debate [many issues] based on truth and hard facts”.
You write, “Based on years of personal experience, and much reading on my part, it is my view that using Western religions as the basis upon which to combat Islam will be a failed strategy”. This is a sweeping statement. (And, so far, no one has “us[ed] Western religions as the basis upon which to combat Islam”.)
What do you mean exactly? Please explain.
“Based on years of personal experience, and much reading on my part, it is my view that using Western religions as the basis upon which to combat Islam will be a failed strategy”.
Guess you need to read more.
Ever read about the Reconquista?
That’s right, lookout. The earliest universities were run by the church. You’re right about all those other things, too.
“What do you mean exactly? Please explain.”
(1) Western religions, at least in their modern form, are too liberal to be of any use in combating Islam.
(2) You won’t get enough people on board if it is framed as “our religion is better than yours”, because many people today are not particularly religious.
That fact that the debate is framed as one of “our religious heritage is better than yours” is just a sign that political correctness has forced people to couch their arguments under the umbrella of religious freedom.
Islam stinks, and that is a fact that can be stated whether one is religious or not. That is the point.
If we argue, quite rightly, that our culture is superior, then we are taking the debate somewhere, but political correctness forces us to do otherwise, and no politician would dare say such a thing.
If we argue, quite rightly, that our culture is superior,… and no politician would dare say such a thing.
~TJ
No politician?
Ever heard of Geert Wilders?
TJ, see my post @ 10:51 to see why some respect in the West for our very own Judeo-Christian dispensation might help us to “grow a pair” and fight a vicious enemy that is out to destroy us and our civilization.
(That you’re a paid up member of REAL Women and don’t seem to get this is quite astonishing to me.)
TJ: “If we argue, quite rightly, that our culture is superior, then we are taking the debate somewhere, but political correctness forces us to do otherwise, and no politician would dare say such a thing.”
Not so. (Thanks, Oz. And Angela Merkel just did, which was the start of this thread!)
Besides politicians, all kinds of people are now speaking up. Our culture is superior because it’s based on the Judeo-Christian allegiance to truth and charity.
TJ, you seem to buy into that morality, so I don’t see why you think it’s of no account here.
Great comments, lookout, Louise, Oz. TJ, you’re on the right track, but you need to do a lot more reading — and maybe living!
One more comment: It’s Christians in Europe (and there is no Christianity without its Judaic root, thus the term Judeo-Christian) that held the Muslim hordes back from overtaking all of Europe. That expression “if you don’t stand for something, you’ll fall for anything” just didn’t apply to Europeans back then. They all believed in God; look at their incredibly beautiful churches built to the praise, honour, and glory of God; look at the profoundly exquisite music and art inspired by their Christian faith.
To say that “Western religions as the basis upon which to combat Islam will be a failed strategy” doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. It’s historical fact: Western religion did combat Islam.
What is unlikely to happen is that Westerners will, any time soon, begin flocking to church again; however, it is extremely important that Christians be welcomed back into the public square, that the public hear the Judeo-Christian viewpoint without there being the wink, wink, nudge, nudge, snicker, snicker — or worse, shut-them-out-of-the-loop — attitude on the part of our chattering classes.
syf
Ottoman Empire was only one in a series of Islamic Empires which threatened Europe. Battle of Viena was only one of the pivotal battles with Islamic Caliphate. Before Sobieski’s victory was Martel’s victory at the Battle of Tours, was Isabella and the battles of Reconquista, was Ivan the Great and the end of Golden Horde … many battles. Sobieski’s victory was one important battle among the many.
TJ
“For example Catholics are some of the most left-leaning liberal people I know, …”
How interesting, it seems that we are talking about different Catholics. Or perhaps some people tend to be friends with peoples having the same view-point?
“Based on years of personal experience, and much reading on my part, it is my view that using Western religions as the basis upon which to combat Islam will be a failed strategy.”
Your views are based on your North-American experience and your reading mirrors English/French point of view. In England using religion may be failed strategy, true, but no-one is talking about using religion, we are talking about using Judeo-Christian tradition. which is something different from using “only” religion.
The phrase “Judeo-Christian” is ridiculous – the Jews and the Christians spent as much time slaughtering each other as they did fighting others, so it takes a special sort of delusional thinking to try and pretend that there has historically been some grand alliance between them. The idea that any western nation is founded on “Judeo-Christian values” is likewise laughable considering that Jews were always treated as second-class citizens. This modern linking of the two religions is a cute change, but it’s a fabrication whose sole purpose is to give Christianity more legitimacy in “multicultural” nation. You’ll never hear Christians in devloping nations speak about “Judeo Christian values” – they don’t give a damn about creating that kind of facade.
What’s even funnier is that, by your own definitions, Islam is also based on “Judeo Christian values”, since the Quaran is largely plagiarized from Judaism and Christianity. By that reasoning, Islam should be a wonderful religion, far better than those heathen Buddhists, Sikhs, and Hindus. After all, how could the teachings of Judaism and Christianity EVER possibly be turned towards violence and oppression!
Lastly, the idea that there is a “Judeo-Christian allegiance to truth” is laughing-out-loud funny 😀 Leaving aside the fact that you probably couldn’t put more than 5 Christians in a room without them all disagreeing about “the truth” of even their own holy books, it should be obvious to anyone with even the most basic education that the various christian sects have a long history of suppressing any information which disagreed with their dogma, or which makes their churches look bad. The shuffling of pedophile priests, the anti-condom campaign in Africa, and the attempt to ban stem-cell research are just the most recent examples – there are literally thousands throughout history.
The phrase “Judeo-Christian” is ridiculous – the Jews and the Christians spent as much time slaughtering each other as they did fighting others, so it takes a special sort of delusional thinking to try and pretend that there has historically been some grand alliance between them
If that is true then why do you talk about Islamic culture? Shia and Sunni spend many many years slaughtering each other as they did fighting others, so it takes a special soft of delusional thinking from you to try and pretend that there has historically been some unified Islamic culture and denying that there has been one Judeo-Christian culture.
the post at 5:39 is from me. I don’t know why it is signed “Alex”
perhaps it is because I quoted a self-admitted liar???
Actually, using EBD’s logic, you’re now a liar. Welcome to the club! I’ll have your membership card ready in a minute.
Also, just in case there’s any doubt about you being a liar, I never spoke about “Islamic culture”, so you’re now TWICE a liar in the span of 6 minutes! Amazing. Are you trying to compete with me or something?
Either way, good job!
alex
You are using your own fallacious logic.
And of course you may be right writing that you never spoke…… you wrote.
You where saying Alex?
Liberals the most historical adverse group on the Planet.
MUHAMMAD (571-632 A.D.)
Orthodox Caliphs
ABU BAKR (632-634)
UMAR I (634-644)
UTHMAN (644-656)
ALI (656-661)
Umayyad Caliphs Abbasid Caliphs
MUAWIYA I (661-680) AS-SAFFAH “THE BLOODTHIRTY (749-756)
Yazid I (680-683) Al-Mansur (754-775)
Muawiya II (683-684) al-Mahdi (775-785)
Marwan I (684-685) al-Madi (785-786)
ABD AL-MALIK (685-705) HARUN AR-RASHID (786-809)
al-Walid I (705-715) al-Amin (809-813)
Sulaiman (715-717) al-Mamun (813-833)
UMAR II “THE PIOUS” (717-720) AL-MUTASIM (833-842)
Yazid II (720-724) al-Wathiq (842-847)
Hisham (724-743) al-Muttawwakkil (847-861)
al-Walid II (743-744)
Yazid III (744)
Ibrahim (744)
Marwan II (744-750)
Let us not forget the Ottoman Empire. Muslims even though not the same sect supported the Caliphs, as they will the new one rising.
ALEX your just plain mudding the thinking with relativist pap. Christianity is a personnel faith who’s founder (Son of G-D) died for Individual salvation on a cross, not to kill for it by murder, pillage with mad hate for the other. We pray for our enemies. Not like the Pedophile fake prophet surrounded by children & victims turned slaves, whom he used as sexual slaves. Hands dripping with the blood of infidels.
JMO
JMO
Ah, right, you were the one with the “logic”! Sorry, forgot, I meant to ignore you after the initial stupidity. There’s nothing quite as facepalm-inducing as someone committing logical fallacies while trying to lecture others about logic!
Good job on your third lie by the way! Now you just need to work on actually admitting that you’re a liar.
Take care now.
Alex: ” … the Jews and the Christians spent as much time slaughtering each other as they did fighting others …”
Please provide evidence of this preposterous statement.
There’s definitely been friction between Christians and Jews over the centuries (I, for one, don’t at all appreciate the bigotry of some Christians who accuse “the Jews” of killing Jesus Christ; if Jesus had lived in Canada, “Canadians” would have killed him …) However, we have never “slaughtered each other.”
Don’t try to say that Hitler was a Christian. There wasn’t a Christian bone in his body. He may have been a cultural Christian, a cultural Catholic [like Pierre Elliot Trudeau and Jean Chretien], but he didn’t practise his so-called Christian faith.
Alex, you admitted you are a liar and were caught attributing Hitlerian quotes to someone else. Enough. You are not interested in deconstructing or just discussing Merkel’s statements, only trying to prove how liberal and foolish you are.
We get it.
Alex, “Judeo-Christian” is a perfectly genuine adjective. Listen up:
Jesus was a Jew—Alex probably doesn’t know that—and Christianity is built upon Judaism. The Old Testament of the Christian Bible consists of a set of books written by—wait for it—Jews!
Think of Christianity as the child of Judaism: no Judaism, no Christianity. Jews and Christians share many beliefs: the belief in One God, a God of love and judgement; they believe in justice, in helping those less fortunate, and in giving part (a tithe) of one’s goods to the community.
Jews and Christians do not believe in forcing others to share their beliefs. Jews and Christians do not believe in murdering either their enemies or those who leave their faiths. They believe in the equality of all people in God’s eyes. In which societies are women most free: those who live under the yoke of tribal religions, like Islam, or those in countries that honour (or originally honoured) the tenets of Judaism and Christianity?
BTW, Alex, such countries are among the freest and most prosperous in the world. Are Muslim countries? To suggest an equivalency between Islam and Judaism/Christianity is ludicrous. Jesus said, “By their fruits ye shall know them.”
I looked up that verse. For Alex’s edification, here it is, from the seventh chapter of Matthew—that’s a New Testament book, Alex, attributed to one of Jesus’s disciples, a Jew, who was one of the first Christians:
‘ “Judge not, that you be not judged. / For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get. / Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? / Or how can you say to your brother, `Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? / You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye. / “Do not give dogs what is holy; and do not throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under foot and turn to attack you. / “Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. / For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. / Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? / Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? / If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him! / So whatever you wish that men would do to you, do so to them; for this is the law and the prophets. / “Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. / For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few. / “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. / You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? / So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit. / A sound tree cannot bear evil fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. / Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. / Thus you will know them by their fruits.”’
Open your eyes and ears, Alex. If you do, you’ll find the Golden Rule in this passage. The Quran doesn’t have such a concept.
Think of Christianity as the child of Judaism: no Judaism, no Christianity. Jews and Christians share many beliefs: the belief in One God, a God of love and judgement; they believe in justice, in helping those less fortunate, and in giving part (a tithe) of one’s goods to the community.
Open your eyes and ears, Alex. If you do, you’ll find the Golden Rule in this passage. The Quran doesn’t have such a concept.
Thanks for including that Lookout. I should have, but to sick today to think. (O:}
Revnant Dream, I hope you’re feeling better soon. Godspeed to you!
I notice that the usually trigger-happy Alex has gone silent re the term, “Judeo-Christian”.
Maybe h/she learned a thing or two today.
The entitled ignorance of some people these days is enough to make a grown person cry.
lookout:
tl;dr. Did skim though. You’ll forgive me if I’m not impressed by Christians destroying the most liberal societies of the ancient world, and then rebuilding to the level we have now. I’d be just as unimpressed if Islam managed to take over the world, and then became modern and more secular over the next 2,000 years. You may want to read up on Hypatia of Alexandria. She’s not in the bible, though, so I’ll understand if you’re unwilling to open a different book.
Also, please don’t confuse your own ignorance for mine. I’ve read your stack of fairy-tales, and am quite familiar with the history of your cult. I’ve found that there’s no better way to turn someone into an atheist than to get them to read the bible. Very few modern-day people can read that nonsense and still continue to cling to the idea that there is any truth to it.
As for your precious “golden rule”, you really need to learn to use google. This one time, I’ll do it for you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Rule#Islam
Personally, I think the “golden rule” is usually spoken as faux-pious drivel by frauds and charlatans. Certainly Christianity and Islam have never made an attempt to actually abide by it. Historically, when a Christian priest uttered the words “thou shalt not kill”, the implied context was “other Christians, unless god wants you to”. Such selective usage of “the golden rule” exists in every culture known to man. Regardless, you shouldn’t make clueless comments about the holy books of other religions when you clearly haven’t read them.
re: “Maybe h/she learned a thing or two today.”
You give yourself far too much credit. You’ve yet to make a single reasonable statement, let alone introduce information of which I’m unaware. While I’m sure there are things you could teach me, I suspect most of them involve the use of a spittoon.
Islam has had since the seventh century to prove itself to the modern world. It has yet to do that. Do we owe penicillin and aircraft to theocratic dictatorships that persecute women?
But this isn’t about the merits of West versus East or Christianity versus Islam. In the left’s eyes, Christianity is bad, just like European values.
While it might make you feel better to belittle the values upon which the West was built, keep in mind how stunted you would be elsewhere.
You wouldn’t be able to waste time here for one.
“Islam has had since the seventh century to prove itself to the modern world. It has yet to do that.”
Christianity, 600 years ago:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition#Spanish_Inquisition
Christianity 300 years ago:
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/salem/salem.htm
Christianity 200 years ago:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians#Anti-Mormonism
Christianity 100 years ago:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians#Nazi_Germany
Given that Christianity had a 700 year head-start on Muslims, it doesn’t seem like you’ve got much to be proud of.
“While it might make you feel better to belittle the values upon which the West was built …”
Again – if you think “the west” was built on “judeo-christian values”, you’re an idiot. I really don’t feel like repeating myself, so just scroll up and read if you need an explanation. There’s a reason why all western nations are secular. Stop trying to shove your god in places where he doesn’t belong.
My God is the reason why you live, you little troll.
The only reason why you are typing anything at all is because of your nonsensical beef with Christianity and Western values. You haven’t proven anything other than your bitterness and ignorance.
What utter bilge from Alex. ‘Off his/her meds, methinks. Really.
“If you think ‘the west’ was built on Judeo-Christian values’, you’re an idiot.” – Alex.
I love it. That one’s a keeper for sure.
“My God is the reason why you live, you little troll”
Hey, if having an all-powerful imaginary friend makes you feel tough, then go right ahead and believe. Just don’t go depending on him if you’re going to pick a fight. Might not turn out so well.
“Jews and Christians share many beliefs”. What utter bullshit.
Jews in general are very suspicious of Christians (read your history to know why), and that is one of the primary reasons why they *overwhelmingly* vote Democrat. The religious-right scares the living hell out of them.
Well, I was going to say to Alex, “[I]f you [don’t] think ‘the west’ was built on ‘judeo-christian values’, you’re an idiot.”
But I didn’t.
Yes, lookout, the guy who DOESN’T have an imaginary friend is the one who’s off his meds 🙂 You would have made an awesome psychiatrist!
TJ, what an utterly stupid thing to say. (Why wait until later? I’ll say it now: you’re an idiot.)
I altogether concede that “[some] Jews . . . are very suspicious of Christians”, but to conclude from that that it’s “bullshit” to say that “Jews and Christians share many beliefs”, as I have, with evidence, is simply untrue. Indeed, Jews and Christians actually do share many beliefs.
I’ve made my case. If you disagree with me, mere assertion is not acceptable. Make your case, chapter and verse. (Good luck.)
The lack of either intelligence or logic, demonstrated with such bravura by the Alexes and TJs here, makes me think I’ve entered the Twilight Zone. Welcome to the dystopian future, everyone! These intellectual and moral pygmies, who think they’re giants, are being turned out, in droves, by our dumbed down, secular, humanist, educational gulags.
Be scared. Be very scared.
“Take a little initiative in your own education and personal development.” Thanks for the putdown, Oz, I think I have enough of both.
Our freedoms we have today came from the decline of rigid religion and the concomitant rise in knowledge, science, medicine, unfettered questioning and the establishment of the rule of law, which is the basis of our society and it is being weakened at our peril.
Islam is the perfect example of religious theocracy, any threat is met with death so its grip only tightens, and until oil money allowed it to spread it was a dead zone of centuries of nothing as its dogma stifled all.
We all have the ability to reason, to research and understand our world and paid a heavy price to get here. There is no evidence of the Judeo/Christian god as there is no evidence of the gods of any religion. I simply do not believe in a mythical god as do millions in our society as shown by empty cathedrals and declining membership. Christianity through Jesus has a great message but he doesn’t have to be a god for it to have a beneficial impact and it has on our society.
I am not a threat to Christianity so don’t imply that I and millions like me are somehow evil because we don’t believe as you do. You follow Christianity, good for you, I choose not to.
I believe we live in the greatest culture and country in the world and I will fight to preserve it. If we, us in the West and the Jews in Israel don’t defend physically and with all the tools we have our way of life we will perish and no belief in a god will save us just as he hasn’t stopped the Muslims killing and driving out Christians and Jews from their former lands.
This talk of Judeo-Christian values (whatever those are) being at the heart of Western civilization is pure nonsense. There was a time when JC values were rigidly followed in Europe-it was called the Dark Ages. It is Enlightenment values, leading us toward rationalism, capitalism, and secularism and away from mysticism like Christianity that is at the heart of Western Civilization.
Alex’s utter ignorance defies belief.
Why anyone bothers to argue with him/her is beyond me. Idiotic, myopic, uneducated, dug-in liberal know-nothing — oh, yes, and little; I would add tiny — troll.
‘Not worth Kate’s bandwidth.
lieratariansaresmarter is as much an idiot as alex. These guys must be recent “graduates” of our “education system.” Their breathtaking ignorance is sad and sorry testimony to the state of “education” (sic) in Ontario/Canada.
The secular humanists have done a splendid job of brainwashing our youth.
Is there a single faith-head here who has an actual refutation, or are you all just going to toss out insults?
Here, let me put it in words you’ll understand:
“And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear you indeed, but understand not; and see indeed, but perceive not. Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.”
Well, Alex and Dave, you clearly haven’t benefited from Bellarmine or Aquinas or any other academic of the Western Christian world.
You blather a lot, though.
Yes why all the insults?
“Idiotic, myopic, uneducated, dug-in liberal know-nothing” – is that meant to be a scholarly response?
Here’s another beauty “These intellectual and moral pygmies, who think they’re giants, are being turned out, in droves, by our dumbed down, secular, humanist, educational gulags.”
To make such a claim about someone you have not even met is nothing other than rudeness, plain and simple, and I have no time for it. Your comment is so far off the mark in terms of accurately describing me that it means nothing.
In my view the “Judeo-Christians” lost this debate in more ways than one.
Good night.