A reader emails, clearly moved by the tragedy of Egypt’s apartheid wall ;
Loved the picture in the Globe and Mail showing all those poor starving Gazans returning home from Egypt carrying carpets. They must know something about nutrition that the western world does not.
John,
As for the stealing land thing, in international law, when you start a war of aggression and lose as Israel’s neighbours have 5 times since 1948, and you lose land as a result of your foolish warmongering, you have zero right to get it back. In fact, the wronged party (Isreal in this case) has a right to demand compensation for the costs of those wars.
For reference, see Germany. Twice.
The sole exception to these international laws it seems is Israel. Israel is deemed by anti-semite retarded a-holes like you, John, to be the only people on earth without the right to defend themselves.
I think we need to think in terms of enviroment here people.
Are they short on food? I dont know the answer to that.
But lets get our head out of the sand here. These are people with nothing. They run to the nearest store and they grab carpet. (perhaps it is the cheapest item there) The carpet can be used for walls, floors, blankets and such. It is freezing at night there. In my opinion this would be like somebody running out to get lumber or blankets.
If I saw pictures of people with computers or tv’s and Ipods I would agree with everybody. Notice how you dont see that! Probably no power.
I really would like to think that the people on this site are a little smarter than some of the comments I have seen.
forecast is 55F for Gaza Strip.
PAT-E-TIC doesn’t understand humour.
In his support of Hamas and Fatah, John, as stated, is an anti-Semite racist. Like other Liberal/left racists, and in collusion with Islamofascists, he attempts to cover his racism with the code word ‘Zionist.’
In the dominant Islamic ME, governed by theocracies employing sharia law – violence, racism, bigotry and misogyny are foundational to their civilization. Over the centuries, this, along with a healthy dose of forced stupidity based on the teachings of the ‘unmitigated and ‘uncreated’ word of allah, led to the Islamic world falling lethally behind the west – ending with western control over the former territory of the ‘sickman of Europe’ – the Ottoman empire. Which then converted, more or less, to a much smaller secular state to save itself.
This caused shame. For supremacist Islam, given their zealotry to preserve ‘honour,’ and the conquering promises of allah, nothing could be worse.
Except for having “the sons of apes and pigs” (Quran) the former dhimmis set up a state right in the heart of the formerly great Islamic empire and so-called Muslim lands.
With newfound oil wealth, all we’re seeing is Islamofascists attempting to return to the halcyon days of the caliphates by following fundamental Islam. In other words, exactly what’s in the texts, including and especially Mo’s actions and words.
The Islamic ideology, as expressed in the trilogy, is the root cause of their problems.
Compare India and Pakistan. All the people in the Indian sub-continent are exactly the same genetically. Yet, it was just recently published that the richest single person in India produces the same wealth as the entire country of Pakistan. Not to mention the perpetual unbridled violence, hate, etc, etc, that Pakistanis inflict on their own and others.
Perhaps what the reformers need is two final verses added to the Quran that abrogate all others: “Do unto others…” and “love they neighbour…” The rest of it could just become an historical footnote.
Or, alternatively, change all the verses that have the word ‘kill’ to ‘kiss.’
Posted by: Johnny Maudlin at January 27, 2008 8:20 PM
“I’m comfortable stating that I think you are bigotted, Kate. The bulk of what you put up here makes a strong case for it. It’s not about your right to say what you like. You can do that. You do that. But you are demonstrably not interested in promoting a balance of views.”
SDA certainly doesn’t need me to defend the positions taken here, but one thing I notice is a given. Kate holds up an issue for inspection, so that one can attempt to ponder upon the real meaning of the details. The liberals and the clueless will less often delve into the underlying depiction of the idiosyncratic which is reflected before them, and more often will, invariably and with gleeful hubris, attack the mirror.
it is is a high of 10 in Gaza with a low of 4 with rain.
any warmth would be needed.
Right of centre,
I guess you didn’t see the earlier post on the same topic showing Palestinians with the latest in tricked out motorcycles?
In fact, I don’t think you comprehend the post in the first place. Obviously, Palestinians can buy whatever they want or need. It’s not about that. It’s about the lying, anti-Semetic slant the MSM uses to support the illusion of the poor starving, abused Palestinians and the Zionist apartheid wall. Attempting to make them appear as lowly and bedraggled as the persecuted Christians and Muslims in Sudan.
As well, a moniker like ‘right of centre’ doesn’t give crediblity to your views. You might try intelligence.
Right of Centre,
As the Palis do like their motorcycle, evidently they’ve figure out the newfangled technological wonder of the “wheel.”
Clearly you don’t figure they’ve also sorted out the millenia-old quest for fire.
so if I dont see an earlier article, my political views are wrong and I have no intelligence.
Wow aren’t you a judgmental wind bag.
I read about people saying they must be doing good they are buying carpet instead of food and I am the idiot!!!
some of these people are generalizing fools and you just joined em.
DEBKAfile reports that they were paid to swarm into Egypt:
Also, the Egyptians have closed bridge and ferry links to Sinai.
Right of centre (not),
You didn’t comprehend my second paragraph. Therefore, I accept your admission that you are “the idiot!!!”
Regardless, you give yourself away with the overuse of exclamation marks, otherwise known as screamers. To project how upset you are, you might also try caps as well. Very effective.
well Daisy I didnt realize you were the grammer cop on this page.
I am not upset just dissapointed that as a person who always votes right and has been reading this page for a long time now can be judged by a comment.
hey Daisy when there are over 100 hits to a conversation sometimes people are not responding to every point of view but rather to an individual statemnet.
relax it is not about you all of the time
A little historical fact from Churchill about Palestine is in order:
“The Desert Bloom – An insult to human dignity?”
From Churchill’s Parrot blog (Excerpts)
In 1939, before the British House of Commons Sir Winston related:
“Yesterday the Minister responsible descanted eloquently in glowing passages upon the magnificent work which the Jewish colonists have done. They have made the desert bloom. They have started a score of thriving industries, he said. They have founded a great city on the barren shore. They have harnessed the Jordan and spread its electricity throughout the land.”
But surely, all this Zionist prosperity came at the expense of the Arab Palestinians? In fact, quite the opposite is true, as Sir Winston pointed out:
“So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population.”
This fact is confirmed by many sources, including the Zionism and Israel Encyclopedic Dictionary whose excellent analysis of the Arab Revolt in Palestine states that by 1937:
“Palestine contained more Arabs than ever before in its history, and they enjoyed a higher standard of living than ever before…”
BUT (here’s where things start getting ugly)…
“…but they could only be supported as long as they were dependent on the economic activity of the Jewish minority and the investments of the Zionist movement. At the same time, the Arabs of Palestine insisted that this Jewish minority was dispossessing them and tried to rid themselves of the Jews and the Zionist enterprise. The Arabs would say that they had been impoverished by Zionist “dispossession,” but in fact they enjoyed a higher standard of living and faster economic growth than their neighbors in Syria, Jordan or Egypt.”
So what was the cause of increasing Arab Palestinian dependence upon the Zionist economy? As detailed in the 2005 essay Zionism and Its Impact, Ami Isseroff explains that Arab Palestinian infighting, disorganization, and obsession with blaming the Jews resulted in “the almost total lack of constructive effort in building up their own institutions, investing in the Arab sector of the Palestinian economy and creating their own ‘state in the making’ as the Zionists did.” Envy instead of industry possessed the Arab Palestinian population, and – as is usually the case in such instances – violence erupted.
“…an insult to human dignity.”
Thus spake Ahmadinejad: The Zionist venture and support of such a thing is “an insult to human dignity.” In other words, to employ ingenuity, commitment, hard work, dedication, industry, wisdom, loyalty, and good will to create one of the world’s most prosperous societies is “an insult to human dignity.” To share one’s wealth and make peace with one’s enemies – Israel established diplomatic relations with West Germany on May 12, 1965 (causing several Arab nations to break ties with West Germany on May 13) and Egypt in 1979 (causing Egyptian President Anwar Sadat to be shot to death by Islamic fundamentalists) – is an “insult to human dignity.” To ask nothing more than the right to tend one’s own people and business on a parcel of land slightly smaller than New Jersey amidst a vast Middle East landscape is “an insult to human dignity.” Fascinating.
One is compelled to ask then, how exactly do you define “human dignity” Mr. Ahmadinejad? Does it consist of the chaos, violence, poverty, and misery that has characterized much of the Islamic world throughout its history? Murder-suicide on an international scale? Repression of women, people of non-Muslim faith, and homosexuals? Being only a parrot, perhaps it’s all beyond me but as best I can tell, there is little of humanity or dignity in any of that.
Our Conclusion
Now let us re-examine Mr. Ahmadinejad’s original statement via Aristotelian syllogism:
Major premise: The creation of the Zionist Regime is an insult to human dignity
Minor Premise: The continuation of the existence of the Zionist Regime is an insult to human dignity
Conclusion: The Zionist Regime is itself antithetical to human dignity
Very well then. Let us for a moment remove the element of “Jew” from the concept of Zionism. The above syllogism then would mean that a society that employs behaviors, attitudes, beliefs, philosophies, and actions which result in the well-being and prosperity of those employing them are an insult to human dignity. Is this what Mr. Ahmadinejad intends to say? Likely not. For even he would have to acknowledge – at least publicly – that societies such as these comprise mankind’s only hope for survival. Adding the element of “Jew” back into the equation, however, renders in Mr. Ahmadinejad’s mind – and the minds of those who agree with him – such societies antithetical to human dignity and justifies their destruction.
Here we see plainly the effects – like rabies – of Racism Gone Wild. This is what we call, “Islamania.” This is what we are fighting. And this, if we fail to succeed in that fight, will quite likely be the end of human civilization.
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Quite right. racism and hatred, especially institutionalized, sanctified, hatred by holy writ means maximum destruction. This is what Palestinian children are breast fed on. And until it is agreed throughout the world that this behaviour and the ideology that spawns it are absolutely unacceptable, there can be no ME peace.
My apologies, right of centre. I was unneccessarily harsh.
Gotta love this place, if you guys ain’t chunking heaps of sanity towards the corrupt CWB then your hurtling insults at the Islamic Terrorist Savages who want us all to put our B-cheeks up in the air and face Mecca five times a day, No Thanks.
As one Viet Nam Reporter asked a DoorGunner sitting in a Huey-34 Choctaw Helicopter astride his dual-40’s — How do you kill women and children ? Easy ,,,, you just don’t lead em so much.
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You guys need yr own costumes, so we can recognize you digusting bigots out in public.
Get some brains, Egypt can’t have an open border with Gaza because it is still under Israeli occupation – get it – they are like a native reserve in Canada but worse – they can vote themselves a government and call themselves a nation but it means nothing because they have no real power over their own borders.
Not that anyone cares when you have no interest in really understanding the truth form a neutral position – just dehumanize and hate.
Todd,
Israel left Gaza. Turned the whole thing over to the Palestinians. Hamas controls it now. Israel has no presence there. This is why Hamas has fired 10’s of thousands of missiles into Israel since they left.
You’re a bit behind the times.
Israel left because the “world community” promised that all Israel had to do to gain peace is to trade land and the Palestinians would fire up a chorus of Kumbia around the campfire. All that’s actually been fired is missiles and bombs at Israel.
You, it seems, need the costume. I’d suggest corky.
Yea yea, I am not an Islamic Terrorist Savage, just a mis-understood home-grown 3rd generation southern morrocan muslim teenager.
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With ignorant people like yrself Warwick, I feel pity more than anything – Israel pulled out it’s settlers – but they still control the territories borders, who and what can enter or exit the territory -so who controls it.
I actually don’t have anything personal against you, so sorry for the previous insult – the ignorance and propaganda from both sides is depressing – especially the demunanization of the palestinians on here.
Todd – are you TRYING to look stupid? Do you have even the most basic understanding of what a border is?
Those EVIIL JOOOS are controling the territories borders! My good heavenly days! What an outrage! Those EVIIL JOOOS are controling “the territories borders, and who and what can enter or exit the territory!”
I think I am feeding a troll; a really STUPID troll!
you moron – I was responding to someone – why are you screaming JOOS – whatever that means – all you pychos – need be shipped back under whatever rock you came from – preferrably out of Canada
The Palestinians have dehumanized themselves, as pawns of their oppressors -SA, and they are more than willing participants, because that’s what’s brainwashed into them since birth. They are taught to “LISTEN” not think.
When they love their children, future and self worth MORE than they hate Jews, then they’ll be human beings again.
Cold? Hard hearted? You bet, it’s called reality. I have no heart to coddle terrorists, criminals and killers.
Remember Beslin? Forgot them already huh?
Nice bike by the way, he almost looks like a proud new papa…
todd – When you are in a hole, stop digging. You just keep making yourself look even more STUPID.
I have another costume suggestion for the toddler – diapers.
Do you read? Do you understand factual history? Do you understand anything at all, except for your juvenile, blanket insults right from your first post?
For example, did you read Churchill’s eyewitness observations posted above? I suggest you start there, research actual facts a little more and then come to an opinion you might share with others without shaming yourself.
As long as you insist on attacking others slinging facts, I suppose somebody should tell you your feelings fire blanks and are less than useless. And insults won’t cover your ignorance.
Nice bike, sniff sniff I can only imagine how many starving women and children it will feed.
It’s nice to see my tax dollars funding luxury items for those oh so desperately suffering Palestinians.
Go Canucks Go: it’s a goofy stretch to interpret a comment about Kate’s nasty demonstration of bigotry toward one group as my de facto bigotry toward another (re your comment about bigotry and I think some other nob wrote something about my “anti Semitism”.
That’s sandbox stuff, isn’t it? There is a good deal of sandbox stuff happening here. I will repeat, one last time, my take: Kate goes out her way to present specific groups in the worst possible light, and in a consistently unbalanced fashion. She has a mad on toward Muslims. She has a right to have all that lousy feeling and a right to post what she posts. Great.
But she is not making the world a better place, and neither are you. That’s all. Simple, eh?
Israellycool.com has pictures of T.Vs and cigarettes streaming into Gaza to feed all those poor starving terrorists…
“But she is not making the world a better place”
You don’t have to take this crap! If I were you, I’d ask for my money back.
So, Johnny Maudlin calling Kate a bigot is A-OK but someone else calling Johnny Maudlin a name back is NOT A-OK, it’s “sandbox stuff”…have I got that right?
Self-righteous twit. You’re not making SDA a better place, so maybe you shouldn’t say anything here.
And just HOW is Kate NOT making the world a better place? Talking about unpleasant issues makes the world worse? Guess what, there are unpleasant things in this world and if we don’t talk about it and deal with it, it festers and boils…sort of like the Middle East. What do you propose…sit here quietly while the surrounding Arab states lie and distort the truth about Israel as they try to foment hatred against the Israelis? THAT makes the world better?
I think you’ve got a twisted perspective. That’s all. Simple, eh?
http://www.sandmonkeyblog.com/
New post at sandmonkey….go see it.
Todd this should shut you up or are you still feeling the love now.
John’s just mad because we didn’t donate monies to his homeless musician buddy in dire straits, featured with pleas of help from the public.
Took a quick peruse yesterday, and today?
POOF blog’s gone like arafart’s peace promi$e$ in the wind…
From memory now, something about that he’s been a musician for 17 years and now has nothing to show for it, and you want us to BUY him his home?
… yeah.
Gee wonder if anyone explained to him that he was expected to work for his home and possessions when he became an adult?
My disabled Aunt at age 50; decided not to live on disability, got her truckers license, worked for five years, now owns her own 18 wheeler and hires drivers.
Sorry to be so O/T but I find this sort of thing ironic, considering the above comments…
Totten says . . .
Sixty years ago, when Egypt occupied Gaza, it refused to grant the local Arab residents, native Gazans and refugees from the Arab-Israeli war of 1947-48, citizenship. Instead, the Egyptian government intentionally cut them off from Egypt and kept them impoverished, so they could be used as a propaganda and military weapon against Israel.
When Israel took over Gaza in 1967, it opened the border with Israel, providing tens of thousands of jobs for Gazans, and increasing the standard of living there dramatically, albeit from very low levels.
After a wave of suicide attacks from Gaza, Israel gradually closed off the border with Israel, and finally closed it off entirely when Hamas took over last year. Meanwhile, Israel no longer occupies Gaza, and the population has sunken back into abject poverty.
=========================== MichaelTotten.com
I think he means the population is headed for abject poverty again. = TG
…if only terri schiavo had taken a page outta yer sainted auntie’s book, she might still be alive today….
ROFLMA! Too funny! So that’s what the brain is like with chronic drug use. My, my my. LOL!
Eeeyore and iid: Making the world a better place means easing up on the promotion of hatred and intolerance. Means presenting a balance of views because that helps to make the world a more tolerant place.Means that a more tolerant world is a better place. Does not mean supporting the actions or preachings of radical Islamists or end of times Christians who think Israel is holy ground and let’s set the stage for the big one…
My guess is you know exactly what I mean when I write about making the world a better place. And the “sandbox stuff” is the “you called Kate a bigot so you’re a bigot…” Good God, is that the best you can do?
Kate has demonstrated her bigotry. I may be a bigot but the least you might do is find some evidence for the claim. I don’t think my helping a pal find a new home constitutes bigotry, or anything else, iid, other than….helping a buddy find a new home.
Johnny Maudlin’s thinking is so simplistic, it’s pathetic.
“Making the world a better place means easing up on the promotion of hatred and intolerance.” And JM excuses Islam, a juggernaut of hatred and intolerance, but blames Kate?
This “Let’s all be nice and look on the sunny side” attitude’s been a disaster everywhere it’s been promoted by the hippy refugees from the 60s. E.g., “Tolerance” (sic) is rife in our public schools. The reality? The bullies run roughshod over everybody and our schools are no longer safe. Nor do they do a very good job of teaching.
Being a realist, which Kate is, used to also be the modus operandi of our public schools. The reality then? Bullies were stopped, even punished–not allowed now: it’s “not nice”.
As there is no balance in the MSM or in our other major institutions in Canada, I appreciate Kate’s willingness to provide facts which are needed–and often censored elsewhere–in order to make a balanced assessment of a lot of crucial issues. If Kate were the bigot JM says she is, I guess his comments would have been censored here. Have they been?
For someone as apparently “tolerant” as JM, I’d say he has some reconsidering to do.
Slaves may think whatever they wish but may not express their opinions.
Political correctness is a way of suppressing opinions as well as calling people racist, bigot, etc.
Well said lookout.
In both Johnny’s and JM’s defective minds, factual exposure and criticism of the Islamic ideology and how it applies to history and the world today = bigotry.
When in fact their passive support for and rejection of factual knowledge of the Islamic ideology as it applies to, amongst other things, anti-Semetism = rascism, pure and simple.
Irwin and GoCanucksGo: You guys are kinda funny. I’m pretty damn sure I did not write anything about radical Islam, beyond saying it’s intolerant and lousy. Lousy like intolerance anywhere. So y’all are so hot to attack (anything) that you’ll swing at a pitch never thrown…
Listen…relax. I am an infrequent visitor here. So you can enjoy what you do. But it’s best not to kid yourselves about the “discussion” that is happening on this site. There is not much discussion. There is an all aboard group of mostly white folks who are pretty keen to gather any and all evidence that supports a narrow-minded world view. It’s all fine.
Cyberspace is infinite. It’s not hard to find intelligent and balanced material about immigration, or terrorism or world politics or (and I know this is verbotten here…) global warming…