18 Replies to “Is Trump Right or Wrong about Chinese Students in America?”

  1. All the shitty little provincial technical colleges in Canada were setting up diploma mills to push through a million students to harvest their parents’ cash. Who exactly did this benefit?

  2. Speaking of diploma mills … here in America we are dramatically expanding college student bodies, while simultaneously cancelling all testing of college bound students and lowering all standards of admission.

    And worse … we are deliberately denying all Asian applicants … because they’re over-qualified … but “one-dimensional” according to the colleges who want a more … *ahem* … diverse student body. When I was a student at UC Berkeley, Asians were a huge part of our student body … and other than humorously mocking their ridiculous scholarship and studiousness … we admired their work ethic.

    I hate to say it but American Universities are dumbing-down their institutions… so they turn to foreign nations to provide the actual scholarship (and out-of-nation $$$$$ tuition). But someone needs to vett every single student and to watch them like a hawk.

    Sadly … I believe our universities are so infected with leftists that they actually CHEER and encourage espionage against America, whilst simultaneously admitting unqualified DEI students … in the name of “diversity”. Yeah … it’s “diverse” to mix stupid students with smart students. How progressive.

  3. I like what The President said at 9.45 in the video, that “we’re never going to agree but…” whereas I’m quite used to the left losing their minds when confronted by someone with a contrary view.

    I think many of the foreign students in both Canada and the USA should be sent home, but not close to “all of them” … It’s not healthy to have mostly gov’t funded universities dependent on foreign funds to prop up their teacher’s salaries. Those salaries have grown far greater than the comparative inflation rate in the past few decades and there may be some adjustments necessary soon enough. Education delivery is rapidly changing, and there’s been some talk of 1/2 of universities in first world countries failing or having to be propped up like so many Canadian media companies.
    It’s long been shown that exposure to other countries is helpful to both sides, and I think that applies to universities as well. However I am not referring to the terrorists among us here.

    Similar rules could be used with general immigration as well. Within Canada maybe $200k is fine if you expect assimilation to be smooth and without chaos. Canada has had more than a million in each of the past few years and the entire apparatus should be suspended for awhile, perhaps 20 years…

    1. Chinese people aren’t allowed to just leave the country. The “students” coming to US colleges are vetted to be at least extreme supporters of the Chinese government if not actively working with them on espionage projects.

      The idea that we are letting hundreds of thousands of young Chinese people into countries to attend college and financially help institutions with tax free endowments in the billions is mind numbingly stupid.

  4. I think Trump is wrong here. I also think this issue might have been part of the deal with Xi, though.

    1. That’s one of the biggest problems with Trump.

      On the plus side he thinks like a businessman not a politician so he can cut through a lot of the bullshit. The negative is that he could always count on the people he worked with in the business world to have the basic incentive of making money controlling their actions, while some of the foreign leaders he makes deals with have no problem sacrificing the money or lives of the people of their country to gain a political edge.

    2. In case you missed it, Trump’s “deal” with Xi included Xi’s “promise” to not invade Taiwan ………. during Trump’s second and last term.
      Hate to say this, but despite my being a very early supporter, I’m fed up with Trumpian “deals”. Consider all the big “deals” with tech leaders to “build out” more and more data centres; for what benefit to the great unwashed?

      Related: Marx Carnage recently called pipelines boring while waxing euphorically about data centres.

  5. I don’t know about Trump, but I do know if you sent all the foreign students home there’d be ten kids at University of Waterloo engineering graduation this year.

    Take that for what it’s worth.

    1. When attending the graduation of my son from UCLA’s Math Department (each Department had its own separate graduation ceremonies) he was one of only a handful of non-Asian names read off by the Professors … and an even smaller group who were neither Asian or Jewish. Seems there are very few non-Asians capable of doing STEM work in the USA, but no shortage of those who can protest Jews on every campus.

      1. “Seems there are very few non-Asians capable…”

        I’m sorry, “capable”? No.

        More like Asian families in China (and elsewhere) torture their kids to achieve high grades all through school, starting in Kindergarten, and OUR kids are competing against the top 10% in Asia for seats in OUR schools.

        And when they graduate? They go back to Asia. And our kids -still- can’t get in. (And also all our talent sits at home playing Doom instead of inventing new sh1t and building new companies, but that”s a rant for another day.)

        This is not sour grapes by the way, my kid did get in, and did graduate, because he’s a freakin’ study monster. A “normal” kid from a normal school? There’s no way. My kid was one of ten white kids at Waterloo in a graduating class of hundreds. There were more kids named Wong than white kids. I’m a little salty about it.

        Asians and Indians are wildly over-represented in Canadian (and American) universities because they pay double the tuition, and H1B means the ones that don’t run home work cheaper. That’s it.

        It’s a scam. Straight up.

        1. H1b Visas should be used ONLY for exceptional talents and skills. Period. It should NEVER be used to hire cheaper code writers who will work 16 hours a day, get paid for 8, and not complain.

          For example … the (white) German young man I rode a chairlift with at Squaw Valley (don’t call it ‘Palisades’) … who came here to work at Apple because he is a camera optical specialist. When he explained to me what he does … my eyes glazed over as it was so amazingly technically and scientifically advanced. That kind of specialty makes sense.

          But WHO is watching and managing the H1b program? Who is keeping all these tech companies in check? Likely nobody.

          1. Having been through the H1B system myself, let me tell you that the only reason it exists is to supply indentured servants to hospitals and Silicon Valley.

            You guys should really get rid of it. It’s a very bad thing.

        2. The Phantom:

          ABSOLUTELY SPOT ON.
          About Chinese parents’ torture, an amusing anecdote:
          Was walking the Greenway in Vancouver and spotted a nice young Chinese lady and her very young male child. I stopped to chat and told her what a kick I got out of seeing his very evident joy about being being able to walk.

          She replied: But he’s not running yet.

          Soon after I told my Chinese hair stylist (born here) mentioning what wonderful family people the Chinese were. She was not impressed; took a dim view of it for exactly the reason you so accurately explain.

          3. “I’ll take the Tiger mom over the squishy Doctor Spock mom…”

            It’s not an either/or proposition, Kenji. It’s a bell curve, success is in the middle between the extremes.

            And don’t forget, the ones that make it to university are the survivors. We don’t get to see the ones that snapped under the pressure. That all goes under the carpet.

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