37 Replies to ““Go At Throttle Up””

  1. Just a minor (transitory) inconvenience, on the path of transformation.

    Were he asked, President Turnip would claim that buses burn without emitting any gases of concern.

    1. … or planned as a feature, not a bug. Just incinerate the plebes. The survivors who didn’t starve to death in 2023.

  2. Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is…

    If you work in engineering at any level you are more than likely to have had Risk Reduction and associated subjects discussed at great details.

    (Why? cause unlike it seems SOME professions, engineering considers its members to be professionally responsible for not farcing up and endangering the end users)

    So, based on best practice and situations we suspect MIGHT happen, studies are made. There are limits of course. Nothing is EVER truly safe – indeed we are encouraged to not use ‘safe’ in formal discussion as there are always some sort of risk – and there is the legal concept (your nation may vary) of So Far As Is Reasonably Practical.

    (there is also the ‘deliberate intent’ rule. You can fence off an area, but you can’t stop some determined idiot from climbing it. If you fall into a pit we failed to fence that is our fault. If you climb the fence we erect and fall into the pit… Yeah. Nah.)

    You can also claim to a limited degree that a fault was completely unexpected and you had no way under the current set of data that ‘something’ was going to happen.

    HOWEVER, once it has happened, and it has been reported within the industry, ignorance will only stand up as an excuse if you have a very good legal team.

    My point?

    This is not the first time a bus has gone bang.

    Public transport, for the most part, should NOT go bang. If a bus has gone bang in the past the operators and the OEM have a duty of care to determine why the bus went bang and put in risk reduction measures to significantly reduce the chance of the same event happening again.

    There is no ‘but eBuses are the future!’ or ‘but other vehicles catch fire too!’. That is not how engineering works. Identify and solve the problems, or withdraw the product.

    1. That’s sparky!

      But engineers put big heavy batteries on the roof which would in turn force them to make a stronger suspension so that thing wouldn’t rock back and forth like crazy, stronger “walls” to support the weight etc. And hauling the extra weight of all that around would kill the battery faster. A lot of modern engineering doesn’t make sense to me…

      1. Kind of a stupid point …. buses and bus suspensions would be pretty robust from the get go.
        And buses have never been all that light.
        Lots of issues here but stronger suspensions is not one of importance.

      2. It’s not just the suspension, putting all that weight on the roof significantly raises the c.g and hence creates instability, regardless of how stiff the suspension.

        On the plus side, when the battery goes up in flames like this, the occupants have a bit of time to get out. Batteries under the floor would likely fry everyone on board in seconds

        1. Another factor is all that extra battery weight, whether on the roof or under the floorboards, will also pound the hell out of the streets.

    2. Public transport, for the most part, should NOT go bang.

      A succinct statement of priorities.

      I recall reading a couple of years ago that if you exclude Teslas, EVs have an average car fire rate that’s lower than ICE. If you include Teslas, the average rate is higher.

      This no longer seems to be the case, as I would imagine that bus fires would make the news regardless of engine technology.

      1. Lies, godammned lies … and statistics. All fires are not equal. A carburetor fire under the hood is an eminently survivable incident. The ignition of batteries under the floorboard which explode and send flame thrower intensity fire into the passenger compartment… which then locks the electronic doors … is 10,000x WORSE than an engine fire.

        No comparison.

        THAT bus battery fire is effing FRIGHTENING!!

        1. An article posted here many months ago showed that it takes 40 times more water to put out the fire from an electric car than a traditional gasoline car.

          That is not all,

          the battery must be monitored for the next 24 hours, or be put in a water tank or it may self ignite again.

          Gasoline cars don t do that once the fire is gone.

          I am sure wasting 40 times more water is helping save the planet ( sarcasm )

  4. Just another burnt offering for Gaia

    She is no doubt pleased with the sacrifice.

    1. FLAWS?
      What flaws?
      The Wiring is a fire hazard and can’t take the added voltage.

      Here is a good example as to the exact cause.
      I bought a 1500 Watt heater two years ago and works excellent…
      I bought the same exact brand and style two years later and the cord is almost melting hot.
      So, I have to be extremely careful as is a fire hazard or need to change this new cord.

      1. yeah but the new cord is made from soy or something like that that is helping save the planet, so who cares if it burns your house down when you can help save the planet from that awful awful global warming !

    2. 100,000 electronic school busses ?

      1 carrying 50 small children, or maybe even disabled, catch fire and burn that fast.
      Hell hath no fury or flames compared to what would happen next.

  6. That’s green smoke. It doesn’t count. Remember they and the rest of your family and friends all vote for this shit. Too bad it didn’t happen while the G20 leaders were locked inside the bus, morally preening. That would be a beautiful sacrifice I’d be willing to make.

  8. We’re gonna bus down to

    Electric Avenue

    and then we’ll run like crazy

  9. Dear Elon,
    Glad you have found your calling with Twitter and free speech.
    Now…about those electric vehicles…give it up!

    1. They are self-recycling vehicles.

      There is just a slight glitch with the timing yet to be sorted.

  11. Kamala’s new school kid’s song: “The wheels on the bus go POP, POP, POP!”

  12. My neighbor bought into the whole green energy shiteee-he sold his gas and electric lawnmowers and bought a battery powered one. I shouldn’t laugh but it mows two strips-if he’s lucky-then he has to charge the two batteries up and then the cycle starts again. It’s so small and dinky I thought it was a children’s fake plastic lawnmower-nope it’s for an adult.

    1. Then he bought a lemon. I have a Ryobi battery mower and I have no trouble mowing the lawn (on a 110 X 60 ft. lot) with one battery (I may have to switch to a spare near the end if the grass is long).

      If people want an electric bus, why not use the old standby electric trolley busses. Toronto had them for years and as far as I know, they were very reliable.

      1. I also hav are a Ryobi lawn mower. Big lawn. It takes two batteries to mow the whole thing. I like the mower. Works well, no fumes (I have asthma), easily height adjustable, and always starts. We bought it after good experienceS we with a battery operated weed wacker and some Ryobi tools.

        1. I have 5 eco friendly lawn mowers. No batteries needed to cut 2.5 acres. Takes 2-3 days depending on the height of the grass.
          Only drawback is 1.5 hours per week picking up horse shit. Still better then 3.5 hours on the lawn tractor.

  13. Looks like the gummint should just hand out pairs of ACME Rocket Powered Roller skates.
    They would be less dangerous.

  15. Electric vehicles are not ready

    maybe in 10 or 20 years, but right now the technology is not ready

    1. But we have all this excess electricity that we don’t know what to do with!

  16. from one of the articles someone above linked,

    “… GM sold just 358 Bolt vehicles in the United States in the first three months of 2022, down from 9,025 in the same period in 2021,…”

    That is a 96 % drop !!!

    I guess having your house destroyed by your “save the planet electric car” that catches on fire while you and your family are asleep is not something very popular !

  17. Just wait until the space shuttle runs on batteries. There will be an earth-shattering kaboom.

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