32 Replies to “The Politics Of Smoking”

    1. Unless you want to be free to consume psychoactive drugs, or pornography, or blaspheme against God, or bowl on a Sunday.

      Neither the “left” nor the “right” cares about freedom, they care about enforcing their values on the populace via force of arms. You just think the “right” is about freedom because they’re not in charge right now. As soon as they are, they’ll start banning things just as hard as the left. It’ll just be different things.

      1. … empowerment means enforcing one’s pathology upon others.

        Yes, however since I don’t “believe in” … “moral relativism” … I’ll take my chances with conservative power, and conservative values. For example both left and right USED to fairly agree about what constituted deviant behavior. Now … the only deviancy the Left doesn’t yet embrace is pedophiles. And that one is getting normalized FAST.

    2. Thank you OJ for this article, as Canada will dutifully follow the New Zealand UN 2030 script shortly.

      Allow me to fix that meme for you, Davis:
      Left = Control by fiat. Note how you can not find any news that Trudeau cancelled his bill, so now we will all worry about the Ukraine.
      Right = Control by polls and party Karens and Kens or whatever name.
      Tiny “Far Right” = Some Freedom, but never for smokers

      Find me a conservative today who supports smokers having cheaper or even menthol cigarettes and does not vote for “no smoking” in a smoker’s own home/outdoor common space, if they live in a strata/condo/HOA. Children were/are very brain-washed in school, even my children, in Ontario then, in the mid 1980’s/1990’s who wanted me to quit; one eventually started smoking and now vapes.

      Find me a “so-called” conservative in BC who does not support “environmental” taxes on fuel (there are a few), re-cycle programs that do not work (80% in land fill), banning plastic bags etc. Municipal councils are full of Karens/Kens, who present their activist credentials. Ditto MPPs.
      Almost no normal people with economic creds apply.

      I asked my friends: do you have any single use plastic bags? All of them, who vote left to right said no. We all re-use bags for yucky things and garbage that can not be garburated or re-cycled. Fortunately, I started hoarding BC Liquor (they can not even spell Canadian here: liquour) bags, which are/were very sturdy, washable and re-usable, as I could see where this fascism was going 10 years ago.

      Smokers were the first victims of Marxist-type controls. As I asked my strata when they implemented the non-smoking rule everywhere including outside (5 to 1 – no fair, but now “democratic”), “when do you think they will come for your barbeques?” Soon, the smell of bbqs roasting real meat will be second hand carcinogenic, as the smell will be presumed to be cancerously toxic for allergy-prone neurotic neighborhood VICTIMS (who increase daily, as allergy doctors like to diagnose allergies to everything and get paid for it), and you too will be banned.
      https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22537139/

      Fake poll:
      1) Should smokers have to pay $180+ for 200 cigarettes?
      95% Yes, as they cost the rest of us a fortune in our defective health care system
      Fact: the cool crowd quit smoking in the 1980s; the mid-levels, some upper middle and the poor did not, so early deaths are now skewed by not separating economic class in studies. This is why we are supposed to die 10 years earlier. Sorry, not dead yet. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22537139/

      2) Should they have access to any government medical treatments
      70% No, they should be refused treatment
      20% Only if they quit
      19% Of course not, if they have breast cancer, which is acceptable. Sign up for your local run
      1% Of course: universal is supposed to mean universal, plus we paid extra taxes

      3) Is second hand smoke dangerous?
      for sure 85%
      no 2%; it just does not smell nice, but lots of other things smell bad to some people who live in urban centers. Ban motorcycles in summer and diesel. And guns too.
      unsure 12% I have difficulty reading scientific studies and/or English or French, except on twitter, when my children translate.

      When I grew up in the early boomer late 40’s to early 70’s in Alberta, many people smoked everywhere. My parents smoked. I started at 19 and smoked in university classrooms, workplaces and at home. After moving to Ottawa and abroad (USA), smoking everywhere was allowed. Only in 1986, did they sort-of ban smoking at work in Ottawa, but they had a smoking room for unacceptable employees. Then that was banned, but some cafeteria space was allowed. Why are the silent generation and baby boomers, exposed to second-hand smoke for decades, not dead yet?????????????? Show me the data on early deaths of this cohort of mid- to upper middle class folks (truckers to mid-level professionals). We are fine, thank you, and most of us are not on meds-for-life.

      The smoking pariah of the west.

      Note: I am a behavioural science expert and have written 3 manuals for organizations on “How to Quit Smoking”.

      1. P.S.

        As well, I smoked and drank beer/wine through pregnancy. Results: 1) perfect male baby 8.3 lbs. 2) perfect female baby 7.9 lbs. All now healthy in late 40s.

  2. Mare Jacinda’s obsession of forcing ‘greater good’ on the proles is right along the lines of WEF’s goal. From wiki: WEF “planning to replace a recognised democratic model with a model where a self-selected group of “stakeholders” make decisions on behalf of the people”.

    1. Isn’t everyone a stakeholder? Ooops. Then we’re right back to individual freedoms. Can’t have that now, can we?

      GEBs: Globalist Evil Bastards

  3. I always find that these obsessed “do-gooders” are quite grim and seem to have “no fun” in their lives. I am not a smoker, but I find it interesting that the federal government legalized marijuana (is it 4 years ago) so somehow pot smoking is OK but nicotine smoking is “bad”.
    One of my friends died at age 59. He went to the grave with a cigarette in one hand and a cocktail in the other. Peter always had the most amazing life and had lots of great stories to tell. Everyone wanted him at their dinner parties because he was such a raconteur! I doubt people want scolds at their parties!

      1. No camp fires or BBQs for you. Perhaps you need to move from the basement or your urban dwelling with your nifty bike and go rural.

        1. I live in a slab house 800 km from civilization, rural enough for you? My bike is a gas burning, CO2 spewing Harley…..
          I personally don’t care one way or the other way if someone smokes, that’s entirely their business, not mine, the definition of freedom.

    2. They attack e-cigarettes, too. Progressivism is just a jumble of arbitrary beliefs and contradictions. It’s a religion for children who can’t think logically, or beyond the end of their nose.

  6. I admire his spirit, but continue to smoke is just plain stupid.
    He isn’t quitting, because he can’t.
    My sympathies. Been there, done that years ago, and I still feel good about it.

      1. And some of us don’t even try.
        Now, piss off Jacinda and all you control Karens, while I blow smoke in your general direction.

  7. When the ‘second-hand smoke’ claim became the moral panic of the early 1990s it was presented as an absolute truth. Thirty years later I have yet to find a follow up study affirming or negating the claims made about smoke. All the trendies jumped to disparaging people smoking in the mid 1970s when limits on offices and public places were mandated. If you were really virtuous you put up signs thanking people for not smoking, (Still an enjoyable film). A couple I once knew proudly placed such a sign on their coffee table as if stating they didn’t want smoking in their house was insufficient to the task. Has anyone else noticed the disappearance of ash trays? Some dollar stores did sell them but that is no longer the case. Through antique shops or by inheritance is the only way to acquire one.

    1. Yup. Once the medical community jumped on board the second hand smoke train it was all over but the crying.
      Another instance of “the science is settled, you’re harming others”.

    2. Still an enjoyable film

      My favourite scene is still Rob Lowe’s “It’s one line in the script. ‘Thank God they invented the, you know, whatever device.'” Drives my nerd friends nuts.

      1. Loved that scene from “Thank-you For Smoking” One of my top ten movies. But…I did find it interesting that although Aaron Eckhart smoked 2 packs of cigarettes a day, he never actually smoked a cigarette or had one in his hand during the entire movie.

    3. The cancer risk associated with abortion is higher than from second-hand smoke, and as the pro-abortionists like to point out, a relative risk of 1.6 is statistical static. The RR for second-hand smoke is 1.14.

    1. More like crooked lawyers did that. “The drunk who ran into you has insufficient insurance. Let’s go after the bar owner instead. He has more money but not enough to drag this out like a booze or auto maker can.”

    2. Yes, I enjoyed the properly separately ventilated cage-bars that we had in Vancouver bars in the 1990s. One met very fun people and everyone was happy and had ashtrays.

      We could re-join our non-smoking friends in the other part of the bar. That worked so well, so it was soon eliminated by the Karens and Kens of the day, despite bar owners having invested to keep all customers happy.

  10. Reminds me of one of my favourite country tunes…”A Different World” by Bucky Covington. It sure was Buck.

    We were born to mothers who smoked and drank
    Our cribs were covered in lead-based paint
    No childproof lids
    No seatbelts in cars
    Rode bikes with no helmets
    And still here we are
    Still here we are

    There was a time I thought Liberals were an altruistic breed of cat but I know better now. Total control and dominance is what they crave and health issues are just one of their tools in the box to achieve that end.

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