118 Replies to “I Don’t Want A New Deal”

  1. The New Deal is No Deal with out of touch watermelons. That gig is up. Support for AB/Sask separation will skyrocket imho.
    BC will have to come along or be isolated, once the new BC party, a true enterprise party, begins to form to kick out the statists.

    1. Last night showed just what I have been saying for a long time, CANADIANS ARE STUPID. No one has been able to prove me wrong in decades. Now here we have irrefutable proof. Man, it does not get dumber than this

  2. From the National Post comment section:

    “The danger to Canada is not Justin Trudeau but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the job of Prime minister.

    It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of a Trudeau than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgement to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man as their Prime minister in the first place.

    Canada’s problem is much deeper and much more serious than Mr.Trudeau who is a mere symptom of what ails Canada.

    Blaming the Prince of Fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their Prince.

    The country can survive a Trudeau,who after all is merely a fool.

    It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools who made him their leader and are contemplating doing so again on Monday.”

      1. Yes and despite Trump, we here in the US now have The Deep State to contend with. Trump is President but Left Wing
        Democrats run the country through bureaucracies with virtually unlimited power, and that includes every single agency in Washington DC and every government school and college in all 50 states.

        https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kyle-drennen/2019/10/07/nyt-columnist-admits-deep-state-existsto-protect-us-trump

        http://thedailychrenk.com/2019/10/23/im-deep-state-im-help/?

    3. precisely, 2/3 of the electorate in this country have shit for brains and rely on the MSN to tell them what to think and how to vote. Expecting a different result next time round is insanity.

    4. “The danger to Canada is not Justin Trudeau but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the job of Prime minister. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of a Trudeau than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgement to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man as their Prime minister in the first place. Canada’s problem is much deeper and much more serious than Mr. Trudeau who is a mere symptom of what ails Canada. Blaming the Prince of Fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their Prince.
      The country can survive a Trudeau, who after all is merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools who made him their leader and are contemplating doing so again on Monday.”

      And that, Ladies and Gentlemen, is it in a nutshell.

      I like it so much that I’ll copy, paste, and frame it.

    5. (applause)

      Quite true, Derek.

      One knows that Justin is an idiot and a scumbag. It takes a special set of people more stupid than he to put him in power in the first place and repeat that error.

      1. So perhaps we shouldn’t be saying “I want a new country” so much as “I want the old one back”… wherein the voters were not so miseducated thanks to the Long March Through The Institutions. For all of us, “sea even unto sea”, it’s worth reclaiming.

        1. Blue Turtle, there will not be another four years. The chance to save this country from being sold of in parcels was this one.

          Sell your house while you can. Don’t let those b@$#@rds take your money.

          Jim Whyte, I don’t think that we will ever get our old country back.

  3. I want a new country too. I don’t want Alberta to be part of Canada. Canada is a serial abuser. It is baked into the cake.
    Quebec gets 75 parliamentary seats no matter what it’s population? No. That is broken. Canada is broken. It is twisted.

    1. and don’t forget that PEI get 4 seats. We don’t have proportional representation. My riding encompasses about the same square mileage as the Island Province and similar population but only 1 member to represent us

      1. PEI population 157,000
        Alberta population 4,371,000

        If the representation is to be equal between the two,
        157,000/4 MLA’s = 39,250 per riding.
        4,371,000/39,250 = 111 MLA’s is the correct number for Alberta.

        No, I don’t care if this doesn’t make sense. I wouldn’t want 111 of them in Alberta either, just laying out the basic math here…

  4. he does not need the west to rule canada so he will continue sucking the life blood out of us. the only hope is immediate separation.

  6. I don’t want to move out West but I will throw in with them if they separate just for a taste of freedom.

    1. If the west separates, Canada falls apart, and I’m good with that. Canada is just the political construct used by the people who live in the northern part of North America. We were here before there was a Canada, and we will be here after it dissolves.

  7. I’m in a let-it-burn mood. If Canada is hell bent on destroying our economy then, fuck it, let’s separate and take their economy down in the process. We will have nothing to lose after a few more years of Liberal rule anyway.

    2. LC Bennet: Sort of reminds me of the West when Pierre did it…people just trying to make ends meet and lots of empty houses boarded up and really nothing to rent. The people out West are the strongest people I know and will not give up…keep up the fight!

      1. I cannot believe how many Canadians have turned their back on the Alberta working class, skilled professionals energy workers. This isn’t merely a policy difference, it’s now tallying up at over 100,000 jobs, last I read. Canadians happily took Alberta money but are ignoring or cheering on the Trudeau-led destruction of other Canadian families. Who knew so many Canadian are such selfish monsters.

        I’m not affected here in Saskatchewan but friends and family in Alberta are going through hard times. The ease with which so many Canadians, politicians and journalists discard human decency and empathy because they hate Alberta and “rednecks” has been a shocking revelation to me. I was too young to remember the first Trudeau government that had a vendetta against Alberta but I heard the stories. History repeats, I guess.

        1. Put another way : if Quebec voted for the bloc in all but one of its ridings and had lost over 100,000 jobs and Ottawa was complicit in those job losses…would Canadians be quite so flippant, insulting and callous? Would they be surprised that separatist sentiment was on the rise? Would they laugh off or mock the broken families, rising depression, home foreclosures, bankruptcies and increase in suicides.

          I think not.
          Not proud to call myself Canadian right now.

  8. I have already emailed my Sask Party MLA re the 2020 provincial election. I told her not to count on my vote or financial support until Premier Moe sets a date for a referendum on separation.

  9. Kate, it’s called “due diligence”.

    AB and SK are now joining forces to set the minimum conditions required to keep the two provinces in Confederation for the short-term. Larger issues like Senate reform aren’t even on the menu for now.

    Clearly now the premiers of AB and SK (and MB IMO) have a mandate to to represent their citizens at the federal level as the electoral system – lacking a EEE senate – provides no formal mechanism at the federal level.

    I think it very likely that none of these three conditions will even get the time-of-day from Justin (Marie Antoinette) Trudeau and his lapdog Singh.

    But the request had to be made.

    Once rebuked, AB and SK (& MB) can proceed with a clear mandate to respond by building the “firewall” around the three provinces. Perhaps there can be cooperation in creating one police force for the three provinces and the same for Tax collection, pension plan etc..

    I think readers should look back on the events that led to American Independence. The parallel to the carbon tax is the Stamp Act of 1865. Violence began at the time and escalated with the tea party in 1773 and not until the British navy sailed up the Hudson and took the island of Manhattan in the spring of 1776 that a large majority of the delegates at the convention in Philadelphia agreed that Independence was the only option – ELEVEN YEARS after the Stamp Act (and it wasn’t until 1783 that the war was won (eighteen years later).

    If the Interior West is to become independent it needs to exhaust all options and do it in a clear, forthright AND HONOURABLE way. This will take time – likely years…

    And while Kate you and many others are ready to go yesterday, not enough of your fellow citizens in your province or mine are ready to do the same to make it happen. Acting and speaking brutally will NOT expedite the process and likely will retard it.

    Patience is the word – but forward progress always.

    The odds of this Confederation of surviving another decade are far lower than they were yesterday. I suspect the actions of the LPC/NDP over the next four years will dim them still further. Calm rational and honourable leadership by our premiers will either lead to its end or a capitulation by the ROC. Either way the Interior West WILL get the Liberty it deserves.

      1. To Kate et al:

        While the country is as dis-unified as it has ever been (Balkanized?), there is one region that is as unified as it has EVER been – the Interior West.

        CPC + PPC vote in AB was 71.4% – that’s almost dictator-level of support.

        CPC + PPC vote in SK was 66.1%
        CPC + PPC vote in MB was 47% but outside of four ridings in WPG it is much, much higher.

        Ontario and Quebec remain hopelessly split and Atlantic Canada is as well. (Were it not for the inept putz leadership of Doug Ford – as poor a politician as I have seen get to his level of power – things would have been very different yesterday.)

        And one other side-observation:

        The three largest cities in CDA all went largely liberal/left – they are all doing very well economically which is a huge advantage for incumbents of a ruling party. And in all three cases it is based on a real estate market driven by foreign money mostly from Asia – much of it money-laundering and parachute-citizenship should their home country devolve into chaos. It is an economic mirage based on externalities rather than internal competitive advantages. Thus if things get politically chaotic in CDA that money will pick up and leave. So a unity crisis hurts the ROC far more than it does the Interior West.

        This is massive advantage in the months and years ahead in the struggle for Liberty in the Interior West.

        1. Gord.

          I don’t fuggin care. Guys like you have been cucking out of this fight for the last 30 years.

          This has been going on since Turdo The Elder gave us all the finger decades ago. Our own leaders here have had a mandate for at least that long. While cucks like you wag your finger and scold and demand patience and civility. Pardon me but, “Screw you, you old fart”. The patch is already laying off while our PM celebrates his victory. For every patch job that goes, four others will go in the support industries, so that Greta and Justin can feel good about themselves.

          This shite has to stop now.

        2. Totally disagree with your comment on Doug Ford. He is doing a great job as Ontario’s premier. Making the hard decisions to reduce our debt, signing some tough union contracts and he will get the subway started. He was smart to not respond to Justin Competent’s bait, focus on Ontario.

          1. There is a way to govern and help your fellow conservatives and there is the way Doug ford and Co. did it. Not unlike Ralph Klein shooting his mouth off and costing PMSH a majority (the following election he didn’t say a peep.

          1. Agreed C_miner. I am very aware that from Abbotsford east BC was solidly CPC except south okanagan where the PPC spoiled things… What is obviously different is that the premier in BC is not onside with what the Interior West wants.

    2. While I don’t think you get everything right about politics, Gord, with this comment you’ve nailed it. Premier Moe simply _must_ know that Trudeau will never do any of the three things in this letter. He _expects_ that flat “no” as an answer, as surely Kenney (*) does as well. But you are correct in that a path to independence for AB and/or SK isn’t a short one. It’s going to take a lot of time and a lot of effort to get there, and neither province’s populace is there yet. This letter certainly can be seen as part of building the foundation to a proper independence movement. “A petition to redress grievances,” as it were, one that will surely go unheeded by the Liberal masters of Ottawa.

      I also agree that the future unity of Canada is _greatly_ imperiled by this election result, and it’s something that the Conservative party ignores / downplays at mortal peril. Alas Andrew Scheer desperately wants to be liked by the very same Ottawa that continues to so thoroughly reject its western half (save Vancouver & Victoria) and is going to be near useless in the coming crisis.

      Interesting times ahead.

      (*) – Kenney, I continue to maintain, should not be trusted by Albertans. He wants Scheer’s job. He’s using his current post as a stepping stone and little else. Moe harbours no such illusions about a future federal post so may be a more reliable early leader in the AB / SK cause.

      1. I suspect Kenney would rather be Prime Minister of an independent Alberta or any other entity that was formerly Western Canada than not be PM of this Canada. And I think he can correctly guage the prospects of a Conservative from the west becoming PM of this Canada.

      2. Moe might be the best damn politician in Canada right now and I mean that in a good way. He’s totally underrated, and you nailed Kenney.

    3. You are right Gord. Now that the PPC noise should fade away, separatism requires nurturing and building on grass roots not led by ranting loons. The concentrated Conservative / PPC vote in the West is a pretty good indicator of potential support but they will need convincing that the movement is accountable and responsible.

    4. The American colonists won freedom from their imperial masters through violence. That’s why the conflict is referred to as the Revolutionary War. The signatories of the Declaration of Independence committed treason against the Crown, and risked disembowelment. They waged almost ten years of brutal war with many causalities.

      You refer to this war as a kind of analogue for our situation, and you also lecture us that “acting and speaking brutally will NOT expedite … [western independence] and likely will retard it.”

      I am not advocating violence as a way to resolve political disputes. Are you? Your message is confusing.

      1. “The American colonists won freedom from their imperial masters through violence. That’s why the conflict is referred to as the Revolutionary War.”

        Yes, …and had France, Spain, and Holland(all Great Powers of that Age) not been fighting Britain at the same time and lending support to the American revolutionaries they would have lost and the American Revolution would be referred to today as the American Civil War.
        Just which foreign Great Powers is it that you imagine are going to be Alberta/Saskatchewan’s partners in violent revolt?

        1. Russia and China. Possibly Mexican Cartels would assist as well, given that a distracting Northern Border war would divert precious US resources from the Southern Border. If I were the Guzmans, I’d be all over a war for Western separation in the North.

        2. Speaking from south of the border, maybe we could work out a deal where we trade California, Oregon, Washington state and New England (including New York City) to Canada in exchange for Alberta and Saskatchewan. It would be a huge improvement for the U.S. We might want to throw in Minnesota and Illinois as well.

      2. My analogy is used to point out that this process will take years to conclude – not that violence is required.

        1. Yes, and a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. The Saskatchewan Premier took that first step today.

    5. “I think it very likely that none of these three conditions will even get the time-of-day from Justin (Marie Antoinette) Trudeau and his lapdog Singh.”

      Aux contraire. turdo is now the lap-dog.

    6. On my way home from work (construction site) today I heard a piece on the radio here in Ottawa about western separation. The newscaster was almost laughing and then they interviewed some tit of a professor who said, “Nobody is going to want to get a visa to go to Kelowna” Eastern shitheads think its a joke. They are laughing at the “separatist” theme as if its 5 a-holes bullshitting in a garage even though the radio piece mentioned 100,000 people immediately joined a f-facebook separation page
      But patience is not what the west needs. Time is of the essence. The west needs to tell the ROC how its going to be. Then start doing stuff unilaterally. Don’t like it ROC, lets fight about it. Start tomorrow by kicking the f-n RCMP ASAP.

    7. I believe the concept of sovereignty association could be useful here. Maybe lots of people are not yet onboard and maybe full-blown separation is not needed, but an adjustment in the power balance is definitely needed.

      1. I don’t believe that Old Canada will willingly give up anything in negotiations that reduce their power. If the west negotiates from a position of weakness, of begging Old Canada to change, they’ll get nothing.

        If Jason Kenney’s referendum on equalization is successful, he’ll take it to the other provinces, and NONE OF THEM OUTSIDE OF THE WEST will consider the changes as it reduces their intergenerational welfare entitlements.

        Then, a referendum on secession should take place, with a positive response, independence should be declared, negotiations may take years, but negotiations while the railways are blocked will take a few weeks.

        Not years.

        Very likely that the USA would recognize Western Canada. Old Canada doesn’t have the balls to put up a fight for this. Old Canada wouldn’t step into it when Benjamin Franklin asked Canada (British Subjects then..) to help with the War of Independence against Britain, and the Liberals are the inheritors of that legacy.

      2. Should it come to it I think the ideal set-up is independence with an economic union with the US. It needs to be an option on the ballot.

      3. LindaL: You are onto something here….but maybe the CPC need a new leader or Scheer will get better as he ages. I like Scheer but he is too polite but then that could change if not I would seriously be thinking about Peter McKay for leader of CPC’s for the adjustment in the power balance. I think Scheer needs to go after Trudeau in the house where they can say things they can’t say outside in the public. Just like the British parliament. I think it would be great to start clearing the air of Trudeau’s dirty dealings.

    8. Very good… like using an elephant to clear a forest – slow, powerful, methodical actions lead to incredibly force & changes to the landscape over time such that it soon becomes nearly unrecognizable!

  10. Here on the backroads of rural Ontario we share a self similar distaste for the urban political structure which thrives on the work of the producers of real wealth. I fully admit we have nowhere near the raw deal given the West since the 1870’s

    1. “I fully admit we have nowhere near the raw deal given the West since the 1870’s”

      Oh, there are lots and lots of people on the backroads of rural Ontario who have gotten a rotten deal. The ones who escaped it are those who are adept at playing the grants game and/or have benefited from the maintenance of supply management cartels.

  11. Looking at the election map, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, and Vancouver screwed the rural and small city people of Canada.
    They forget where their bread and butter, not to mention oil and gas, come from.

  12. Time to buy Canadian flags, real and decal, and fly them UPSIDE DOWN, the international symbol of being in distress.

  13. I agree with Kate – not looking to negotiate a deal to stay. That time is long past. Reform put forth a good movement – and it took years to do. And it took years to destroy. Federal conservative party is now the same and run by the same interests that ran it when Mulroney was PM. that is to say the Eastern political power elite.

    Time is on the side of those with the power – and they will never relent.
    Kenny and Moe need to move quickly and expeditiously and with serious intent.

  14. PRESIDENT TRUMP WINS (in) THE CANADIAN ELECTION.

    No pipelines- Canadian oil will still be sold to the US at a discount.
    Higher taxes and costs will drive investment and business out of Canada.
    Higher taxes and costs will drive the people who can leave out of Canada.
    Higher costs due to taxes will drive an increase in cross border shopping and holidaying in the US, stimulating many parts of the US economically.

    CONGRATULATIONS PRESIDENT TRUMP.

    1. Yes, Trump is being kind and polite since he wants Trudeau to continue acceding to US interests and US jobs.

      Whatever the Liberals/NDP/Greens do in Canada, the US wins.

  15. Stop saying Kenney wants to be PM, never happen, he knows it. Too many comments on the internet… Kenney wants to be PM, Kenney wants Scheer’s job, cite/link/evidence please?

  16. Max Bernier makes Kim Campbell look like a skilled politician. And that was almost impossible, until Max won zero seats. At least Kim got to sit at the big desk for a few weeks.

  17. Trump fights and wins.
    He doesn’t do it by being nice to people.
    Maybe we should all act a bit less ‘presidential’ in our daily lives.
    Start by asking liberal acquaintances why they are so damned stupid and poorly informed.

    1. Trump distances himself from conventional politics/personalities, presenting a clear alternative. Mr Scheer failed to do that.
      Liberal lite is doomed to failure as Ontarians choose the Liberals that are “nicer” and will keep western largesse coming.
      That is over with Saskatchewan Premier firing the first of many shots. Ontarians will think it’s a shot across the bow.
      It’s not and is building to a broadside. One saving grace is Grits no longer control committees; perhaps Lavalingate will return.

    2. Trump is a centrist politically. I’m guessing you aren’t.

      And the US is roughly split conservative/progressive while in Canada the absolute high water mark for conservative support is 40% and that is with very moderate policies (again something you probably despise).

      Thus Trumpian attitudes coupled with hard conservative policies are not going to win any elections in a huge slice of the country.

      1. Harper successfully fused libertarianism (actual liberalism) with conservatism.
        The left must break that link, when they do they win, as happened last night and in 2015.
        It was also a lucky break, as the NDP has lost significant seat in two straight elections.
        They can’t blame the latest loss on the disappearance of their Layton led stronghold in QC.
        Voters there simply substituted Bloc traitors for Dipper watermelons.
        Ontario voters, otoh, fresh from dumping Grits, went with their ilk, just as incompetent and duplicitous as the Wynne gang.
        There will be consequences; name calling like sore losers, won’t matter because we don’t care what they think

      2. My point is that politics follows culture, and we are awash in liberal culture.
        It’s time to start calling liberals on on their BS every day, everywhere.
        Ask a young voter why the hell they would vote for a party that is piling up debt that they will have to pay.
        How are they going to pay for social programs 20 years down the road when interest rates rise and half the tax revenue goes to pay interest?
        Ask them how driving our clean industries into bankruptcy and moving production to dirty coal powered factories in China is good for the environment.
        Ask them why the hell they believe so many liberal ideas that are clearly illogical.
        Ask them where the plastic in the ocean really comes from.
        Ask them if they really believe that everyone that disagrees with them is a racist.

        Politics follows culture, being nice and accommodating won’t change culture.
        You have to challenge people to think and to make them work to win an argument.
        I tell the guys at work that I argue politics with that I know all of their arguments and ask them why they don’t know both sides of the debate. I believe that gets them to look at both sides of the argument so that they can rebut me and ‘get me good this time’.
        But while they are doing that they are being exposed to both sides of the debate.

      3. There’s no evidence that the US is any more conservative than Canada overall. They have a massive federal welfare apparatus that’s only getting bigger.

        Oh and the joker talking about how Harper ‘fused’ libertarianism and conservatism: you’re a joker. Harper was and is anti-liberty. He loves surveillance and drug prohibition.

        1. Not true. They are far more assertive in foreign affairs, have a private healthcare system (1/6th of the economy), have vastly freer speech, the right to bear arms, much lower taxes and much, much more.

          1. “They are far more assertive in foreign affairs”

            So is France. Are they more ‘conservative’?

            ” have a private healthcare system”

            Half of US healthcare spending comes from their governments. The rest is highly regulated and that was true well before Ocare. Free market it ain’t.

            “much lower taxes’

            That’s a load of it. For one thing, US taxes are much more progressive: https://www.mercatus.org/publications/government-spending/progressivity-taxes-oecd-countries-mid-2000s

            For another, Canada’s corporate tax at least federally is still lower than America’s. We also aren’t engaged in tariff wars. The difference simply isn’t all that big. Also, TFSAs are superior to IRAs: https://www.cato.org/blog/tfsas-spur-canada-savings-revolution

  20. Justin will destroy what is left of this country and go after people who dissent from him. I wouldn’t be surprise if this country ended up with firewalls the way China has. His punters will simply not notice this cyber-intervention until they can’t find their favourite cat videos.

    The only way this country can be preserved in some fashion is if someone goes all Ras al Ghul on it. Destroy it. Sherman did it to Atlanta. The Americans did it to Japan. No more war-mongering from those lot. Give Justin et al no money or resources. Make the inbred idiots who voted for him scratch their heads in vain when they are not getting their beer and popcorn. Then make Justin own it and not be able to run away from it. When the smoke clears, begin again.

  21. The only way this can be fixed is if the MTV gets what it’s asking for.
    Make sure you read that as not what they think they want but what they are asking for.

  22. Just a quick note to all energy companies in Alberta and Saskatchewan. When hiring service companies and vendors, please check to see where their head office is located. We do not need to be sending any more money out of Alberta than is absolutely required by law. I know of several companies off the top of my head that have head offices in Toronto that make money in the Alberta oil patch.

    Yes, there is separation available way down the time line…but what can we start doing today to advance Alberta and Saskatchewan interests? I’d be interested in seeing suggestions from fellow posters.

    Also, I know everyone is upset right now, but lets be logical and rational about this and turn adversity into opportunity. (Seneca maybe…? Marcus Aurelius? haha. )

  23. It’s called the United States, Kate.

    Don’t bother about going to it. One fine day President Trump’s patience with Justin will run out and the States will come to us. I for one plan to be on Sussex Drive, giving American tanks directions to Rideau Cottage.

    You want a new country? So did the Rhodesian Front and the Afrikaner Resistance Movement. Get back to me when Alberta has an atomic bomb pointed at Montreal.

    Failing that, or (more realistically) American military assistance, an independent Alberta will be murdered in its cradle.

  24. “I’ve heard your frustration and I want to be there to support you”????

    What a puke; he’s the cause of the “frustration”

  25. Moe of Sask. and Kenney of Alberta could upend the whole affair with the stroke of a pen. But Kenney is a Jesuit trained Globalist. If both Provinces withdrew from the Federal/Provincial Fiscal Arrangements Act today. All Transfers and Equalization would be ended immediately. This is what Funds it all, and is not part of the BNA or Trudeau’s Constitution. It is an Agreement a Contract. It is that easy to end the scam. Meanwhile. Go UDI Alberta and walk away.

  26. Want a new country?
    I just got an idea.
    What if enough westerners bought up memberships in the BQ?
    I’m thinking new rules kind of mischief.
    Imagine having a majority of members in that party that reside outside of Quebec?
    Would make their next policy convention really interesting.

  27. It would seem that Canada should have a senate reform.
    However the father of the current prime minister and his cabal of ruling class made sure that it is virtually impossible to do due to the dictatorial, totalitarian, to the citizens of Canada irrelevant constitution. There of course are those, the “strategerists” (as opposed to strategist) that would like to get rid of the senate and finally do away with any sense of democracy however flawed.

    The senate should be elected and have equal number of provincial seats for each province. This may be somewhat extreme in the case of NWT, Yukon, Nunavut. Let’s leave that as it may be for the purpose of this screed. It should have certain defined powers to check on the overwhelming, crushing majorities of two provinces over the rest of the country.

    It is no pleasure to point to the senate of US that actually has certain powers that will check on the House of Representative, because they got it right.

    The “justice” should stick to law. The constitution should say that it is HOC and Senate that define the laws of the country not some airhead judge. Let them strike down a law if it is unconstitutional not make it and say that they know what it should be. It’s not their bloody business.

    The parliamentary system is susceptible to tyrants, dictators and varied and sundry of useless airheads, since there is no other body of lawmakers to stop them.
    While Canadian senate can perhaps delay laws passed by the HOC, they can’t really stop it.

    As it is, there is virtually nothing Alberta can do if a confab of few provinces, Q’bec and BC in this case and useless prime minister, can destroy it with seeming ease.
    It would seem that the only way out is out, which thing is not pleasant and should not have to happen.

    The prime minister is absolutely determined to destroy Alberta as though that is the mission of his life. Have to add that it is not necessarily his doing, it is more so of those that have hand up his ass and move his lips, however unlikely that can be. His only thought for doing it solely for his self-aggrandizement to show the world that he is.

    Fracturing the powers of those that would like to dictate should be a priority.

    Guess, so far had my say.

    1. We at LibertasAlberta.ca will be presenting a roadmap to EEE senate reform this coming January that we think can be done (need 7 provinces with 50% of the population).

      Stay tuned…

      1. Wow you are an expert at wasting time and effort. Really, it’s amazing how much you suck at this. I thought it couldn’t get any dumber than tilting at the equalization windmill but now you’re dredging up Reform’s worst idea.

  28. So some serious questions of a pragmatic nature regarding separation (which I think is something we should be moving towards). What happens with First Nations treaties? Do they become null and void? Responsibility of Canada or Alberta? Does reserve land belong to canada or Alberta? Would they have to be re-negotiated with Alberta?

    National Parks? Banff and Jasper?

    1. The so called National Parks are part of the Province of Alberta. It is Banff Alberta, Jasper Alberta etc. With UDI all Federal Jurisdictions end with the Declaration of UDI. It also ends all Federal programs. Bilingualism, Indian Treaties etc. Each man and woman gets 1 vote 50% plus 1 is all that is required for International Law.

      2. “The so called National Parks are part of the Province of Alberta. It is Banff Alberta, Jasper Alberta etc.”

        Yes. My MP, Blake Richards(CPC), represents the riding of Banff-Airdrie.

  29. // farmerboy October 22, 2019 at 12:49 pm
    and don’t forget that PEI get 4 seats. […] My riding encompasses about the same square mileage as the Island Province and similar population but only 1 member to represent us //

    Heh. If you went by geography the territories would elect the government.
    PEI is certainly over-represented according to population.
    BUT ALSO
    Rural ridings are over-represented. And smaller provinces are over-represented.
    Bigger provinces are under represented, except for Quebec which sets the standard and gets about its due.
    So, if you ARE a farmer in Saskatchewan, your province [14 seats, deserves 12] is over-represented AND so is your riding with respect to, say. Regina.
    A perfectly equal distribution would mean about 111 thousand people per riding.
    You can check the numbers here:
    https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1710000901

  30. Time to start adapting and working with the provinces that agree with us.

    https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/heres-a-pipeline-route-to-tidewater-canada-has-never-considered-but-needs-to

    “Maybe it’s time to look at another option, one that is environmentally sound and cost effective. Over the years, I have been involved in various capacities in the shipping business with an emphasis on shipping in the Arctic. This experience has led me to believe that there is an alternative to current plans. Canada could economically and safely ship oil from Alberta by pipeline to Hudson Bay, where it would be picked up by tanker for transport over the top of Quebec and Newfoundland and delivered to the East Coast — and ultimately the rest of the world.”

    1. A better route is down through MT ID and OR and out through Portland – they have 60 miles of deepwater frontage. Applications to ship Bitumen and oil are already underway using rail as a conveyor.

      1. A private Alberta company has already rec’d consent from the State of Alaska to build rail from Alberta to Anchorage. It will connect the lower 48 through Alberta to Alaska. The oil will ship right down the BC coast with all the other tankers of Alaska crude.
        http://www.a2arail.com/our-railway.html

  33. Stop whining and start acting. You cannot just separate without laying a lot of groundwork – none of which is done in either Alberta or Saskatchewan.

    How many of you have called your MLA to insist that they implement those things that Danielle Smith outlined in her editorial last week. Things like:
    Provincial tax collection
    Provincial Police forces
    Provincial pension plans
    Immigration control
    etc etc…

    AB and SASK do not have the power to force the ROC to change their attitudes about transfer payments, carbon taxes, etc unless we have a stick big enough to whack them with. Right now we have a tiny little twig being wielded by a bunch of whiners doing absolutely nothing to make that stick into the weapon we need.

    Stop whining – start acting.

  34. “LIBERAL PARTY OF CANADA……DESTROYING NATIONAL UNITY – ONE TRUDEAU AT A TIME”

    1. Richard – that would be:

      LIBERAL PARTY OF CANADA
      (A wholly owned subsidiary of SNC Lavalin)

  36. Talk is cheap and shitty letters are a waste of time. Start doing what needs to be done. Gord Tulk’s plodding road is a dead end. Take it from someone who lives in the middle of Ottawa. Nobody here gives a shit about your problems, me excepted. They think food is grown on little organic farms, Canadian oil is evil, westerners are stupid. Just about everybody here has drank the klimate Kool-Aid. Turn off the gas, toll the roads and slow down the trains.

    1. A strongly worded letter. So basically something about as effective as a bad YELP review. If things get worse for energy industry workers, it might escalate to our provincial premiers giving Trudeau the stink eye on national television.

    2. I agree. I brought up the issue of Western alienation at a dinner tonight. Most people were oblivious. I also am in Ottawa. A serious threat to separate would get people’s attention and I think cause things to start to shift.

  38. First, it’s not going to amount to anything. If separation was going to happen it would have happened during the NEP.

    Second, why would Alberta want to be with Saskatchewan, a land of crown corporations?

    1. They have common interests. You don’t need an actual separation, but you need a serious threat of such. Thus could happen if people are sufficiently angry.

    2. Pork Pie there were no Separatists in Canada until Pierre Trudeau, He created Separatism in Canada, Both Quebec and Alberta. It is a relatively new idea here. Only about 40 years old say. The core separatists in PET’s day just got rolling and then boom times returned and NEP was gone. So not enough awareness during NEP although Alberta did elect a Separatist to 1 term. Now it is not just one man, it is all Party’s against Alberta. The blowback is going to happen. Where you from Porkie? Hogtown?

    3. I didn’t happen during the NEP because:

      1. you had a red tory and party in AB. Lougheed was a travesty – Canada’s Nelson Rockefeller.

      2. Almost immediately after the NEP happened the price of oil collapsed due to global market conditions. Separation wasn’t going to fix that. And that isn’t the case this time.

      1. Lougheed was as big a Communist as Trudeau. Trudeau offered property rights in the Constitution for Canadians and Lougheed rejected it very fast. The only Premier who wanted property rights was the Premier of Manitoba. And yes NEP collapsed the patch and Alberta. Then the patch turned around strong under Klein.

      2. But we don’t even have an NEP. Nothing the Trudeau government has done comes close. Notley was the problem, and so is Kenney’s reluctance to reverse her policies with speed.

        Kenney has no interest in separatism. He’s not doing it. He’s no Lougheed thankfully but he’s not going to change much.

    1. If you think it’s bad when Prinz Dummkopf kept bailing out Bombardier and looking the other way with SNC, ask anyone who lived in Saskatchewan about 40 years ago what it was like there.

      One reason Alan Blakeney was turfed from office was because his Dipper government kept handing out money to keep certain companies alive.

      Uranium City was on life support for years but Regina kept bailing it out. Eldorado Nuclear flew a Boeing 737 from Saskatoon to UC twice a week whether or not there was anyone on board.

      The company I worked for after I moved there (no names mentioned) was always a step or two ahead of the sheriff padlocking the doors but avoided that because there was always someone inside the provincial government who managed just in time to scrounge up cash to keep the lights on.

      There were other similar cases, but I think you get the picture.

  40. I think we all know what will happen. Groper Blackface will do some scripted, rehearsed babbling BS response, then proceed to wipe his @$$ with this letter.

  41. Just a few random thoughts here …

    Any talk about joining the U.S. would be a bad option as you can’t foresee trends in that country post-Trump and might be trading bad for worse. And your ability to influence politics in the U.S. would be very small compared to Canada or as a sovereign nation.

    Western independence needs to include as large a proportion as possible of BC and Manitoba. Ideally it would be all of those provinces but in any referendum situation I can’t see the west coast voting to join (if BC got a chance to vote at all) and there’s probably a similar divide between Winnipeg and western Manitoba.

    With that part of BC added in, you have some chance of convincing a place like Kitimat to join the project and achieve access to the Pacific that way, otherwise you have the land base to build that railway link to Alaska. I am not sure whether Anchorage is really the necessary link there, what about Valdez, it’s already an oil-exporting port. I don’t think a coastal route from there to Anchorage is feasible so it would be a matter of two lines running to the coast from one connecting system.

    I would expect a lot of political pushback from Oregon and possibly Washington state on any rail links to Portland or other U.S. ports in that region. They are pretty much controlled by the same leftist hardliners as BC currently.

    This project requires a certain amount of patience. Political developments in BC could favour the wider spread of support, as it seems inevitable for there to be a swing back to the political centre-right here in the next election. That might make a stronger western united effort possible in constitutional bargaining as an alternative to independence. But perhaps the other wild card is Quebec. There is probably some reason for the west to support Quebec independence. It reduces the eastern power in the federation and forces Ontario into a more submissive position which is the only way to get any real constitutional or economic change in Canada. The way things are now, everything is done in favour of the Laurentian elites and their clients. If we don’t like it, too bad for us. And the west coast socialists play along, doing the heavy lifting so the Laurentian elites can pose as neutral on western economic issues. This is how the pipeline stall was achieved, Justin can say well I am trying but there are these other forces at work (without being honest enough to say that he agrees with them).

    I hope it can be worked out within the federation. The majority of people in Ontario are clueless about how negative an impact the Laurentian elite mindset has even for their own self interest. But they are completely brainwashed into accepting it. And part of the conditioning for that is to believe that western Canada is inferior. You only have to look at a map of election results to see what parts of Ontario have swallowed this and what parts may be more open to a balanced federation. By that I mean a country that genuinely tries to advance the interests of all its citizens and regions, so long as those aren’t founded on some notion of dependence on federal support through equalization. That has to end. The Atlantic provinces in particular have had half a century to adjust to the demise of the fishing industry, and they have been insulated from reality by this culture of dependence. Quebec is almost in the same boat. I think that both them and ourselves would be better off self-governing. I would imagine Quebec would rapidly fall into a lower economic realm but that’s their tough luck, they want to run their own show and good luck to them.

    We’ll see how smug the Laurentian elites are when it’s just them and us without their French buddies in the room. But the colonial era ended most other places on earth, and I think it’s time that it ended in western Canada.

  42. Thanks Premier Moe—–Canada is non functional without representation from all! An elected Senate if set up properly would have worked! It failed!!!
    A new country in the West must be started immediately ! We in Saskatchewan are starting . We are working with Alberta!!

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