We Don’t Need No Flaming Sparky Cars

Alternative Subsidy Roadkill 24 Comments

Now with third row seating.

But wait! There’s more! Tesla’s Firesale Of Its Solar Inventory Begins

And more yet! Ugly turns uglier…

Oh well. At least there’s SpaceX.

24 Replies to “We Don’t Need No Flaming Sparky Cars”

  1. And my knees just cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced [by the autopilot “raising the bar” on the competitors].

  2. Tesla Model Y would anyone buy that crap?
    In related news We don’t need no Flaming Sparky Rockets from the cult of Musk-X

  3. Three levels of dumb
    1st level you own the car
    2nd level you own the stock
    3rd level you own the car and the stock

  4. SpaceX and Tesla are NOT the same, so don’t judge one by the other. Tesla is a subsidy machine, Spacex is not. I know some people consider spacex has subsidies from nasa and DOD launch contracts. However, those people can’t grasp the fact that the higher prices for Nasa/DoD are due to increase review req’ts as compared to commercial operators like SES. A single review can easily cost upwards of 10 M$.

    Yes, the capsule blew up. Space is hard, sh&t happens. If you understood the way spacex does design iteration then you’d also know what happened with early falcons. Build and try (and maybe blow- up) is a different approach to endless design cycle (Nasa standard, taking 20+ years). It has and will continued to work for spacex in the future.

    SpaceX has done the impossible and the F9 and F9H are now mainstay in the global launch inventory. All operators and national agencies, even those with their own launch systems have flown, have contacted to fly, are seriously negotiation launch contracts, are revamping their own launcher programs to compete with Spacex. Almost all commercial spacecraft from lockheed, SSL, airbus, TAS, etc, etc have adapted or re-designed their satellites to be compatible with the F9 fairing. If you don’t get this point then you need to inform yourself much better.

    Spacex has completely revolutionised the space industry entirely for the good.

    Tesla is something else entirely….

    1. Thanks for this Frenchie, at least someone here gets it. My daughter and I watched the Falcon Heavy Arabsat launch in April and were probably just as ecstatic as mission control was when they pulled off the booster recoveries without a hitch. Companies like SpaceX are the future of space travel, and can’t wait to see what they will give us next…

      1. Which subsidies did SpaceX receive for F9. Give me the program title, date, and amount?

        1. Well said. I’ve watched numerous SpaceX launches from the Cape including last year’s Falcon Heavy (which was internally financed by SpaceX). It’s a pretty impressive operation – especially the booster landing.

          1. Did no-one ever tell you that if you furiously google facts to support your position that it might be useful to actually RTFA?

            As I said, contracts are NOT subsidies. Particularly so when those contracts provide better service for less than 1/2 price of existing contracts. Spacex has spent billions developing F9, none of that money was a subsidy. The article makes that clear, if you had bothered to read it. You should hang your head in shame, if you had any.

            Here, let me help you since maybe your browser doesn’t work properly. FTA:

            “On a smaller scale, SpaceX, Musk’s rocket company, cut a deal for about $20 million in economic development subsidies from Texas to construct a launch facility there. (Separate from incentives, SpaceX has won more than $5.5 billion in government contracts from NASA and the U.S. Air Force.)”…

            “SpaceX, though it depends far more on government contracts than subsidies, received an incentive package in Texas for a commercial rocket launch facility. The state put up more than $15 million in subsidies and infrastructure spending to help SpaceX build a launch pad in rural Cameron County at the southern tip of Texas. Local governments contributed an additional $5 million.”

            “Included in the local subsidies is a 15-year property tax break from the local school district worth $3.1 million to SpaceX. Officials say the development still will bring in about $5 million more over that period than the local school district otherwise would have collected.”

            “That’s $5 million more than we have ever seen from that property,” said Dr. Lisa Garcia, superintendent of the Point Isabel Independent School District. “It is remote…. It is just sand dunes.”

            So, no rocket subsidies here. Only thing even close is a launch facility, for 20 million in grants. Spacex spent 100 million of its own money to develop the site.

            If this is all you got then you should leave now.

            However, you probably consider driving on public roads to spacex as a subsidy as well.

      2. Since Space X came along, United Alliance( Boeing/Lockheed) has cut their launch price in half. NASA has been also totally been exposed. Its sofar not built manned rocket has cost $20 billion, and climbing.

        1. SpaceX may have reduced launch costs but it doesn’t have a monopoly in that business, either. Other companies are moving into that market as well, and some, such as Rocket Lab, which launches its Electron booster from New Zealand, specialize in smaller payloads like cubesats.

          The next few years shall prove to be interesting in the launch business.

    2. Now wealthy people in Canada can buy electric cars at taxpayer expense. Its so “progressive”.

    3. While rebates for electric cars is an intensely stupid idea (why not give us rebates on our electricity bills for all the renewable investments we are paying for) the article mentions the Tesla cars will not qualify because they are too expensive. Maximum price to qualify is $55,000 CAD. But with the maximum subsidy at $5,000 I’m not sure it will bring new buyers, only help those already in the market.

      1. The article mentions that when Ontario cancelled the rebate that sales plummeted. False economics at its finest.

        1. I think that subsidy was $14,000 with no limit on the sale price.

  6. Does SpaceX use the same ‘auto drive’ software as the Tesla? And, what batteries power SpaceX – the ultra-reliable ones that pose no flammability issues in Teslas?

  8. You know Trudeau has already committed to giving Canada’s money. Expect Bombardier to “invest” in Tesla, Tesla opens a token facility in poopineau, Tesla gets a seat on the Lavalin, Bombardier, dairy cartel, CSA, gravy train.

    Or, Musk suddenly appears on the Trudeau “Foundation” board. We all know how it’s going down. The MacGuffin must be protected, the crown jewel will not be lost.

    Let’s just rename them; it is no longer Tesla Motors. IT’S MacGUFFIN MOTORS. MacGUFFIN CITY. SPACE MacGUFFIN. Elon MacGuffin.

  11. “Firesale” might be an unfortunate choice of noun when speaking of things Tesla.

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