34 Replies to “Is Google Evil?”

  1. This video is one aspect of the darkness approaching that Dr. Jordan Peterson is talking about.
    Who will be next?

  2. Yes! Didn’t even need to look at the vid. Just look at all their heroic google doogle commies they’re alway promoting. Plus Sergey Brin is a Russian Bolshevik plant. You wanna talk “collusion”? Please.

  4. so go to mewe or another open web site. stop complaining and do something to cut google off.

  5. The near monopoly of Google obligates them to not be predatory. That is the law. They fought hard to become a public utility – a position of trust. They are not allowed to use it as a weapon.

  6. Is Google evil? Yes. Next question.
    I hate that my phone and tablet both run on Android. Is there a viable alternative (not Apple, please)?

  7. Actually it’s their property so they have the right to use it as they please. No one has the right to use someone else’s property as a platform. That’s not how free speech works.
    Denis gets it right: use or create an alternative. Stop whining.

  8. Please get off your duff, Mr. President, and break these society-meddling internet mega-companies up NOW! Also, NOW is the time to punish the fakes news media, too. Ha! What are they going to do in retaliation….. give you some very negative media coverage? Double Ha!
    On a side note, I think the one area that Trump’s lack of political experience has hurt him the most is his once wise habit of employing contrarians. You bring a politician/bureaucrat with contrary ideologies into your political power circle, especially in this current hard-core partisan climate, and you WILL be betrayed. The workings of business and politics may have similarities, but they ARE NOT the same animal. Trump, a wise man, seems to be just a little slow in picking this point up.
    That said, and on yet another side note, I betcha’ that I could successfully argue that America’s Trump has already done more to secure this Canadian’s future as a conservative than the Canadian conservative Harper EVER did. Think about that.
    MAGA…. because maybe we Canadians will soon be forced to survive strictly off their table scraps.

  9. “break these society-meddling internet mega-companies up NOW”
    That’s not how a free society works.
    “Trump, a wise man”
    LOL

  10. Just had my post held by the moderator, and I’m not surprised in the least.
    It had some choice words for our loser troll, but mostly ripped a new a-hole for the weak-minded SDA regulars who engage these nobodies and trip over themselves in excitement to feed them and their egos. I mean, how dense are you people?
    You are probably the exact same naive, delusional twits that assure we have a steady stream of panhandlers on our streets, too. Thanks for making the rest of us suffer for your ignorant, pandering naivete!

  11. The near monopoly of Google
    Google only has a monopoly if you’re too stupid to type “alternatives to YouTube” into Google.
    If PragerU is paying for ad service or preferential positioning in search results or any of the very, very few non-free services Google offers, then they might have a breach of contract issue (like Crowder did with Facebook). But I’m betting that like good members of the Free Shit Army, they’re mostly bitching because a service they didn’t pay for has declined to keep giving them Free Shit.

  12. Google, Amazon, Facebook, etc. are private enterprises managed by people conforming to the dominant progressive “culture”. Like any successful capitalist organization, they have succeeded by appealing to the widest population demographic. Corporate suites are crawling with progressives. Being “progressive” today means they rarely tolerate non-conforming thought. They have, however incited those nominally opposed to state interference to advocate for it rather than seek alternative means of information dissemination. The state should not be the arbiter in such maters. If the “capitalists of the left” want to further isolate themselves from those on the “right”, it’s their prerogative. Unfortunately, the two solitudes will eventually and increasingly clash physically the less free the dialogue while increasingly retreating to their separate bubbles. For that reason, whining about it in the most public fashion is likely the better alternative as it plants the seed of doubt or loss of confidence in a wider audience than might otherwise be reached. Corporate wimps hate bad press.

  13. Yes. Government save us. That has worked out so well for us up till now. But this time will be different. This time, we hand the power over to reasonable people who are currently our friends; and our enemies will never weasel back in. And our friends will never be corrupted. In this one case, power will not corrupt. Not this time.
    People need to start thinking before they be speaking.

  14. tad off topic, but hope ya dont mind I gotta put this link @ the very top:
    an inspiring rendition of a VERY related topic, ie freedom of speech, etc etc until *the end of time*.
    I got it on ‘loop’ right now to embed it in my ‘music’ grey matter.
    God Bless them. all those kids that took up the fight and WON.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dc_gx0J2ep4

  15. Ha, what a small-minded response.
    “Government save us!” I never said that, and you are a liar for insinuating so.
    ‘Government, stop your bureaucrats from f*cking us over and conspiring to snuff out conservatism!’ That’s what I’m saying.
    You need to improve your comprehension skills there, Kev. Ha, talk about not thinking before yammering away, you are one hypocritical piece of work.

  16. Of course they are evil,they are run by progressives..
    Who are so smart,in their own estimation, that any harm to others must by definition be due to malice.
    Goggle is going the way of all progs, they are not content to get rich selling other peoples information,they need to sneer and demean those they rob.
    So the overeach will continue to grow.
    The current behaviour of Google/Alphabet is a gift to up and coming competition.
    However the central problem remains: How do you monetize a “free” forum?
    Astounding how stupid progressives are, by deliberately cutting off conservative content they force us to chose another way.
    I can guarantee whatever grows from this will scare the SJW babies far worst than current Google content.

  17. By watching that video … I am now being put into a new (more extremist right wing) category by Cambridge Analytica (and numerous leftist equivalents that didn’t make today’s Drudge headline). We are racing toward a dystopian future of chip embeds that track our every blink and harvest the biometrics to shape our very next thought. Our actual future is looking bleaker than anything the Wajcowski Bro’s. could imagine.

  18. Somebody hired Russian companies to place videos on the internet because they worked cheaply and confidentially and Mueller thinks this is Russian collusion. Mind you he likely thinks the Democrats were hacked when it was a simple theft of data. you’d have to ask Seth Rich about that.

  19. hi kenji. a lot of ink on the topic of ‘mark of the beast’ stuff.
    I dont know, who does? but, BUT the convergence of the *will* to do it AND the technology to *carry it out* gives one caution.
    ie at the very least keep an eye on things.
    maybe this is part and parcel of the loooooong held more-than-a-hunch my final days will consist of dishing out a truly shocking level of retribution and violence against His enemies. truly. I have escaped harm and injury so many times Ive lost count. I do NOT ‘thrill seek’ either. aka ‘do not tempt the Lord thy God’. even Christ knew enough to observe THAT rule.
    I spoke to my pastor about this who rightly said I do not need to ‘serve penance’. but he got it wrong. no, this, if it is true will be me getting *permission* AND all the tools, motive, capability and weaponry to visit an unholy vengeance on the evil that has freely caused me unwarranted and unjustified suffering. the *exquisite* pleasuring of BEING the weapon in God’s hand. the great satisfaction of knowing that I, historybuff did it. HE granted me that prayer request (as He often does). and all I ask is to be kept alive long enough to survey the damage I inflicted. whatever form this takes and when and if, I dont know. but I DO know I will recognize it when it comes.
    it keeps my eye on the goal. this belief is supported by the fact ALL my older siblings AND father AND grandfather have/had increasingly debilitating arthritis for instance. but me? 66 yrs old and a ‘titch’ of it in my rt shoulder that ‘clicks’. whoopdiedoo.
    yesterday I shoved >1100 pounds on the leg press and pulled off two HUNDRED hyperextensions, aka ‘backward situps’. TWO HUNDRED of them. unfazed.
    I owe my life and continued existence to my Lord and Creator’s continued protective and guiding hand. AMEN.

  20. hi kenji. a lot of ink on the topic of ‘mark of the beast’ stuff.
    I dont know, who does? but, BUT the convergence of the *will* to do it AND the technology to *carry it out* gives one caution.
    ie at the very least keep an eye on things.
    maybe this is part and parcel of the loooooong held more-than-a-hunch my final days will consist of dishing out a truly shocking level of retribution and violence against His enemies. truly. I have escaped harm and injury so many times Ive lost count. I do NOT ‘thrill seek’ either. aka ‘do not tempt the Lord thy God’. even Christ knew enough to observe THAT rule.
    I spoke to my pastor about this who rightly said I do not need to ‘serve penance’. but he got it wrong. no, this, if it is true will be me getting *permission* AND all the tools, motive, capability and weaponry to visit an unholy vengeance on the evil that has freely caused me unwarranted and unjustified suffering. the *exquisite* pleasuring of BEING the weapon in God’s hand. the great satisfaction of knowing that I, historybuff did it. HE granted me that prayer request (as He often does). and all I ask is to be kept alive long enough to survey the damage I inflicted. whatever form this takes and when and if, I dont know. but I DO know I will recognize it when it comes.
    it keeps my eye on the goal. this belief is supported by the fact ALL my older siblings AND father AND grandfather have/had increasingly debilitating arthritis for instance. but me? 66 yrs old and a ‘titch’ of it in my rt shoulder that ‘clicks’. whoopdiedoo.
    yesterday I shoved >1100 pounds on the leg press and pulled off two HUNDRED hyperextensions, aka ‘backward situps’. TWO HUNDRED of them. unfazed.
    I owe my life and continued existence to my Lord and Creator’s continued protective and guiding hand. AMEN.
    captcha ‘Rest’ hmmmmm . . . .

  21. Google only has a monopoly if you’re too stupid to type “alternatives to YouTube” into Google.
    You are thinking of this only from the perspective from someone performing a search. Try thinking of it from the perspective of someone who wants their content/business/whatever to be found. If Google has ~75% of search traffic, they can go pretty far towards un-personing you.

  22. Try thinking of it from the perspective of someone who wants their content/business/whatever to be found.
    No private person or corporate entity is obliged to provide free (or even paid) advertising services to anyone.
    I’d like anyone hollering for government intervention against Google to explain coherently how this is different from the Fairness Doctrine or making a baker bake a wedding cake.

  23. All the corporatists in here that like big companies being in bed with the government are just as bad as statists that want big government. Only companies that are completely separate and use no government handouts and policies are politically neutral and aren’t shaped by political bias can do what they want. Otherwise they are just an arm of government. This video explains why the “private companies can do what they want” argument is bogus in the case of these social media companies.
    Censorship: Debunking the ‘Private Company’ Argument
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOdCNJSYaTI

  24. The point of my first post was not to advocate for intervention but to dispel the misperception that Google is not a quasi monopoly. And frankly you irritated me by calling people “stupid” while missing a key point.
    Personally I’m not comfortable with the idea of government intervention here. On the other hand, we already have government intervention into the Internet giants, for example Germany pressuring Facebook to censor anti-immigrant content, or the European “right to forget” law.
    More generally, we have all kinds of government intervention that (amongst other things) compels companies to do things very much like providing free services. For example, in Canada the television networks must both fund and air a certain amount of Canadian content. They must also provide “equitable” election advertising space to rival parties, and those ads are not subject to the usual advertising standards.
    We also have a long tradition of intervention when something is deemed a monopoly, or even an oligopoly.
    So, for those of us who would prefer a freer economy, we have to weigh the options. Do we stand on our ideological purity and reject any interventionist proposal? Or do we recognize that we do not live in a free economy (sigh) and that “interventionism for thee but not for me” is a recipe for failure and nowhere near as noble as it sounds? Or are we perhaps interested in “freer” rather than “100% free”, in which case is this an extreme enough example to merit intervention?
    At this point it is moot because no government seems the least interested in protecting free speech, quite the contrary.
    As for non-government responses, it is possible word will spread that Google is no good for certain searches, much as Wikipedia is questionable on certain topics. It’s also possible that alternatives will arise for posting video, though if Captain Capitalism’s blog is accurate, YouTube’s competitors could use some polish. I’m doubtful either of these would put more than a small dent in things though. More likely could be the Internet giants piss off a wider audience, for example by (again) reducing the amount of revenue shared with content creators.
    Even if the above did reach some kind of critical mass, there would still be the interventionists on the other side of the political spectrum. What would a Merkel or Trudeau government impose? Or a future Oprah or Michelle Obama administration?

  25. Censorship: Debunking the ‘Private Company’ Argument
    Oh, ffs.
    “These private companies serve as a public commons for our political discourse because they have a virtual monopoly on the vast majority of Internet traffic.”
    Literally every word of that sentence is false. (ProTip: the vast majority of Internet traffic is NetFlix. And torrents.)
    TwitFaceGoog =/= “The Internet” today in the same way that “The WWW’ =/= “The Internet” in 1995. The fact that, again, people are too stupid to understand how the Internet works before calling for government intervention is a problem with an uninformed electorate, not social media companies. It’s just that this time the uninformed electorate is on “our side”.

  26. Of interest is new tech appearing on the market, such as phones with a hardware switch that shuts off power to the microphone and camera. Features like a hard off-switch and other manual features to disable the spyware aspect of a smartphone will become standard in the next ten years.
    Google, Amazon, Facebook etc. will most assuredly use their monopolistic power to forward their agenda, the same as Standard Oil and Bell Telephone did back when they were the new hotness. They will meet the same fate, either broken up by governments or driven under by their own hubris and mismanagement. Changes in phones to put the power back in the hands of the users will be part of that process.

  28. “Do we stand on our ideological purity and reject any interventionist proposal? Or do we recognize that we do not live in a free economy (sigh) and that “interventionism for thee but not for me” is a recipe for failure and nowhere near as noble as it sounds? ”
    Right here is the mental trick conservatives use to tell themselves ‘that it’s okay when they do it’. It literally boils down to ‘we don’t have freedom so we have to bury freedom’. It’s literally a perfect synopsis of why conservatism is complete bullshit and conservatives are completely full of it.
    “Only companies that are completely separate and use no government handouts and policies are politically neutral and aren’t shaped by political bias can do what they want. Otherwise they are just an arm of government. ”
    Absurd. This is like saying that anyone who has ever taken money from the government is now property of the government. It basically hands control of the everything to statists. It’s the same argument made for public ownership of government. I’d say this proves conservatives are not different from the left, but Trump already did that.

  29. Aww, how cute @Daniel Ream and @UnMe both like big corporations controlling the populations thought and speech with help from the government. They both work together to make anti-free speech laws and then the “private company social media” can then censor to uphold the laws. What a nice package deal. No wonder you two corporatists/statists love it.
    It’s going to get dealt with, even with the likes of you two kicking and screaming to keep it in place.

  30. “They both work together to make anti-free speech laws ”
    Anti-speech laws predate Google and the like by decades. I guess that just goes to show how powerful they are right? THEY EVEN HAVE TIME TRAVEL.
    Cripes you people are morons. You have no principles or ideas, just a tribe and arbitrary affinities.
    “It’s going to get dealt with”
    And it will be no thanks to you. It will be thanks to innovators, like the people at MaidSafe.

  31. I don’t think you’re supposed to make it so obvious you’re working from someone’s talking points.
    Bonus points for calling people stupid again, this time while failing to recognize that share of total Internet traffic is not particularly relevant to this thread. Share of search traffic, otoh, is relevant. Also of interest could be share of mobile OS (Android) and share of browser (Chrome).

  32. I concluded Google is evil about 15 years ago.
    What is funny is that their mission statement used to be ” do no evil” ( or don’t be evil ? one of the two , it doesn’t matter ) yet they have been doing LOADS of evil. such as when they helped China sensor people who disagreed with the communist government of China back when Bush was President…there are hundreds of examples.
    Google recently changed it to ”do the right thing”, well to them doing the right thing means silencing non-liberal opinions…how ironic
    Google is evil that is a total complete certainty.
    Yes they do some good, but behind the curtain they do LOTS of evil.

  33. I always enjoy your trolls as they usually have just enough meat in them to make one pause and think for a second.
    If you mean to say that conservatives are people (i.e., imperfect creatures with incompletely formed ideologies, who sometimes find their principles come into conflict and are thus faced with uncomfortable choices), why that must be the nicest thing anyone has said on this entire thread today.
    The handwringing on this site and others shows that conservatives are aware government intervention on this is (in their worldview) a nasty idea. otoh, freedom of speech is right near the top of their values. Will they come up with a better idea in defence of free speech, or will they have to compromise one principle for the other? Choosing to do nothing is still a choice, and they don’t seem to share your conviction it will be solved deus ex machina, by technology.
    As for your “synopsis of … bullshit” thing, it was a bit garbled but sure smelled rather itself. To generalize, suppose the state wishes to do X, and a group of people oppose that. The state decides to do X anyway. Your assertion seems to be that those who opposed X should not advocate how the state should do X. Clearly this is absurd. You may not like paying taxes, but you still get to say how you think they should be spent. (Which will also be ignored, but never mind that.)
    At any rate, few people are True Conservatives (TM), so I don’t imagine they’ll lose much sleep tonight worrying about whether Adam Smith will turn them back at the gates of True Conservative (TM) Heaven.

  34. You are OK with governments having the power to seize private property. Eminent domain, anti-trust; eventually the power will be abused.
    Property rights are the foundation for all other rights. What good is freedom of association, if there is no place people are allowed to gather. Think carefully about the power you want vested in a bureaucracy. There is always a long march going on… Eventually your enemies will be in charge. Your enemies will get to decide what isca monopoly, and what the solution to that crisis is…

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