2017: A large percentage of 18 to 34 year old millennials are moving back in with their parents and fretting about losing their parents’ health care benefits when they reach the age of 26.
1944: Millions of young men between 18 to 34 stormed the beaches of Europe to free the innocent people trapped under Nazi rule.
yep, things sure are different now.
This column our daughter wrote for The Landowner several years ago pretty sums this topic up.
http://canadianlandowneralliance.ca/articles/Sarah-MacMaster-Profiles-in-Courage.html
Would you perhaps mention the 18-34s serving in the military all over the world? Or the 18-34s who are cops, medics, pilots, welders, teachers, doctors, nurses, truck drivers, engineers, architects, and on and on?
Don’t stereotype.
“Don’t stereotype”
Don’t be a net-nanny.
I think it is a combination demographic economy thing
There are a large number of singltons in this group,there by a higher level of investment per child by the parents
And the economy has been through a poor eight years. It will take some time for young people and their parents to believe that that the children can make it on their own.
“Don’t be a net-nanny.”
Don’t be a net-nanny.
Mack made an excellent point and I suggest you look up the word ‘hypocrite’ and digest it’s definition.
No doubt though, our societies have changed immensely over the past couple of generations.
I realize the nature of war is different today, but my question is, if a war of this nature were to ever break out again, would those in that age demographic step up as they did generations ago? I am not talking the career types, but the ones leaving home, jobs, and parents to do what needed doing. Take a look at today’s universities and society in general – safe spaces, the right to not be offended, gender fluidity, etc.
I think of the part in Braveheart when King Richard was dismayed at the thought of sending his effete fop of a son to treat with William Wallace, that “the very sight of him would only encourage him (Wallace) to take over the country”. Ironic that he also was thrown off a building.
My apologies, that was King William The Longshanks, Not King Richard.
I suspect they wouldn’t. Why would they? I spent almost twenty years in uniform and I wouldn’t. Our own government is our own worst enemy and there is no “us” to fight for any more. People used to fight for king and country. Who the hell is going to fight for multiculturalism and diversity? Any future war that Canadians are likely to be involved in is going to involve the various tribes of New Canadians fighting over the carcass of what was Canada trying to establish their own more or less ethnic self governing territories.
No, “Longshanks” a.k.a. “The Hammer of the Scots” was Edward I of England.
This was a beautiful essay. Thank you for sharing. It is comforting to be reminded there are people like Jamie and parents like you.
“I suggest you look up the word ‘hypocrite’ and digest it’s definition.”
Checkmate!
She wrote well and made her point. (Many regiments and corps of the Canadian Army have been awarded the designation Royal in their titles, the Army hasn’t.)
There is not a combination demographic “thingy”. My daughter is almost 28, graduated in May 2014 in Computer Programming and has been gainfully employed since October 15, 2014. She is currently living in Chile and working remotely for her company. She has paid off her student debt, has over $ 40,000 in savings. It all depends on what you studied and what you want out of life.
This is a good summary:
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4f1a937c04521ab21d43ff1ac2410ca215f722d05d3fd35cbede8102b70ecffb.jpg
“Millions of young men between 18 to 34 stormed the beaches of Europe…”
And who lived through the Depression when they were younger.
This is how I see it…
I admire the ‘greatest generation’ also, but just imagine if they were under a constant barrage from 40’s media and entertainment, the Pope, industry leaders, celebrities, bureaucracies, teachers, Hollywood, their own friggin’ parents and their ‘upper class’ that Nazis weren’t really evil and those who tell you otherwise are haters who suffer from Hitlerphobia. Imagine if that same WWII generation was also told by most everyone that their democratic culture was bad and socialism/communism were the superior ways. And, just how enthused would they have been to defend a country who denounced their whiteness as unfair?
Because that is what today’s youth has sitting on their chests. Cripes, if you have been convinced to believe there is no need for borders for your nation, then what is there to protect?
Worst of all, it’s OUR generations who laid the groundwork for this current suicidal societal mess, so maybe pointing fingers at ALL those following behind us isn’t the smartest thing to be doing!
Jamie, appreciate your display of class.
What Buzzard and minuteman said. And Jamie, that was a great column by your daughter.
Think of the last days of Rome. There were almost no Romans in the Legions which were made up of foreign auxiliaries with no vested interest defending Rome other than their paycheque.
Shouldn’t the juxtaposition be “2017, people willingly join Hitler Youth organizations like antifa at UC Berkeley, Wilfred Laurier, and other western universities, and joyously virtue signal about the ‘wokeness’ of employing NAZI tactics against their enemies”? They also pay to go to classes taught by admirers of Charles Manson who killed people for weather underground.
I always assume they know exactly what they are doing, that they know they are doing exactly what Hitler’s brown shirts did before them. That they know they are lying. That they know they are Ministry of Truth and newspeak when they say they are “anti” fascists.
Look past the stereotypes of “The Greatest Generation”, their successors, and their ancestors. For most of human history it has been pretty normal in most societies for families to have two to four generations living in the same dwelling. As they grew and could afford it they cobbled together more space and if they could, more separate space for those reaching adulthood and bringing husbands and wives into the group. The very rich with grand houses might provide their offspring with separate houses when they married, but they might also make separate apartments within their grand houses. Of the less well off, if their means allowed or lack thereof required, some migrated to establish branches of the family elsewhere. E.g. extremely elsewhere, the New World. The availability of cheap land in the New World made it easier and thus more common for newlyweds couple or unmarried men especially to set up on their own.
The men (and women) who fought the Second World War had grown up in the world wide depression of the 1930s and the Germans had been in extended economic straits in the 1920s, the Russians under the privations of Soviet communism. For the Canadians and Americans at least, going into military service for WWII offered many regular employment with better accommodation and food than they had enjoyed for years, and steady pay. And the sense of purpose in worthy cause was icing on the cake to men who had been demoralised for years by the lack of that and the youngsters who had been growing up expecting to join them in that hopelessness.
WWII and the rebuilding of most of Europe and of other parts of the world brought a great wave of social and economic change which was bigger than and in some ways a continuation of the same effects of WWI. War tends to do that. But human nature also tends to endure. We should not be surprised if it reasserts itself in social developments in reaction to those changes.
“I realize the nature of war is different today, but my question is, if a war of this nature were to ever break out again, would those in that age demographic step up as they did generations ago? I am not talking the career types, but the ones leaving home, jobs, and parents to do what needed doing. Take a look at today’s universities and society in general – safe spaces, the right to not be offended, gender fluidity, etc.”
The truth is: we can’t know.
After the Great War, there was a wave of pacifism and anti-war sentiment (understandable in light of the terrible cost of that conflict). In 1933, the Oxford Union debating society adopted the motion “that this House will in no circumstances fight for its King and Country”. Yet within a mere seven years, those selfsame Oxford University students were flying Spitfires or manning warships or leading troops in the field.
Total war of the kind epitomized by the last two world wars – existential war, as it were – tends to focus the mind on what is necessary to achieve victory. The superfluous is rapidly pared away in favour of the practical; self-absorbed peacetime notions like “safe spaces, the right to not be offended, gender fluidity, etc” are likely to be very quickly jettisoned in favour of harder, more bloody-minded perspectives.
And don’t count on militias forming either. They took all the guns. I for one will welcome our new _______ overlords. As long as they execute our entire current civil service. Anything has to be better than what we gots now.
I suggest you look up the term first.
“No doubt though, our societies have changed immensely over the past couple of generations.”
You just made Jamie’s point. I guess I better explain it… of course there are 18 year old serving today and doing cops/ems stuff, but the point the article was making you didn’t see (generally speaking) 18-34 yr olds living at home back in the 40’s, 50, and maybe up to the 80’s.
So the term net nanny could be used in don’t be anal. Look at the point and not the letters.
One would think in this forum people give everyone room to make a point and see it as that, rather than the letter of the law so to speak.
Robert: there were about 150,000 who stormed the beaches not millions, including about 20,000 Canadians. The millions followed these men after the beach heads were established.
There were also millions of young people in the 1940 and 1941 who sought to enslave great masses under Nazi rule.
I’ve never seen more typing and really didn’t say anything. Did you read Robert’s post? Millennial vs 1944. We are NOT talking about ancient times or cave dwellers.
Apples and Oranges. You are speaking of ancestors for lands far away, as in Europe and Middle East and times far away.
You correctly observed the point the New World had land that was cheap and broke the mold of living at home.
The the point of the article, youth 18-34 HERE in North America (aka New World).
would those in that age demographic step up as they did generations ago?
…You mean to the draft office?
Let’s not pretend that all of those 18-34 year olds were there voluntarily.
The big difference is that in the 1940 to 1970s people in that age range could earn the average wage and live well, with the wife staying home to raise the children, in a house they were buying while the husband drove off to work in their car.
Try that on today’s average wage.
Why is this? Well, I have my own theory about the main cause (there are many).
It is basically that stock investment rules changed. It used to be that as a part owner in a company, you shared directly in its profits. Profit was (by law) mostly paid as dividends to investors.
The law changed, allowing companies to keep all their earnings. Investors were supposed to be compensated by increased value of their stock. Of course, the only way to realize that profit is to sell the stock. All good for the stock markets, but it means that stock has to keep on increasing in value. Stock changed from an investment that produced a (hopefully) steady stream of money to essentially betting chips.
To try to keep the ever increasing stock price going companies started by looking to improve productivity by improving processes. When that ran it’s course, they began squeezing employees, reducing the numbers and paying them less, mostly by keeping wages constant and allowing inflation to do the reduction for them.
Everyone knows that valuations of many companies is completely detached from reality, but it’s easy to hide the fundamentals in hype when hype is what your company deals in (cf. Tesla), but it’s the only way to keep the magic roundabout turning.
How not to support the mining industry…
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/thunder-bay/thunder-bay-ring-of-fire-1.4442435
Noront (holder of chromite, nickel, copper and platinum assets in the Ring of Fire) reports that the Ontario Government and the First Nations will directly negotiate an all-weather road to the Ring of Fire in order to allow Noront to develop its assets and also provide access by First Nations communities to the rest of Ontario by road and not just by air travel or winter-only road. Although Noront will not be a direct part of the negotiations it will contribute with an enormous amount of data it has collected since the discovery.
Noront is also looking at existing infrastructure in Northern Ontario for a refinery (I assume for the chrome), favoring Thunder Bay (where no such infrastructure – refinery – currently exists).
What we have here are two-tails (First Nations and Ontario government) wagging the dog (a possible multi-billion dollar mine). Noront can’t develop its assets without access by road or rail. Rail is probably not in the cards as the First Nations want the freedom to leave and return as they please. The provincial government has offered up to $1 billion toward a road system that would connect the First Nations communities. Webequie and Nibinamik want a southwest road through Pickle Lake and Martin Falls and Aroland want a southern route through Nakina. Webequie is by far the largest community with about 1,300 inhabitants, many of them children and is also closest to the Ring of Fire.
In a normal world, Noront would transport the chromite to Thunder Bay by rail and load it onto a ship without processing (it is called direct-ship ore for a reason). It would build a concentrator on-site for the Ni and Cu-PGE concentrates and ship them to Thunder Bay as well (or to Sudbury if Vale or Glencore wanted to smelt the concentrate).
But we don’t live in a normal world. We live in a world where the First Nations and provincial government will dictate to the mining companies how they run their mines and where they process and ship their material. In return these mines will be heavily subsidized by government. This is the new mining industry in Ontario.
Noront expects the shovels to start digging the road in early 2018 (heh). The area has not yet seen an environmental assessment. They have not yet agreed where the road will go. There is no power in the Ring of Fire except diesel-powered generation. The carbon foot-print for a diesel-powered mine site and concentrator will be massive.
Refining of chromite into ferrochrome takes massive amounts of electricity. The closest existing infrastructure that could likely take the chromite ore is in Sudbury or Timmins (about 850 km from Nakina and another 300 km to the mine-site). It is unlikely that Noront would truck the chromite from the mine all the way to Timmins. It would have to load the product onto railroad cars in Nakina or Thunder Bay. Given the price of ferrochrome it is possible that Noront wouldn’t make back their investment by shipping via truck then rail and processing it using Ontario’s high electricity rates. For comparison, processed ferrochrome sells for about $1-$2 per pound, copper sells for $3/lb and nickel $5-$6/lb. The nickel-copper concentrate would have to be treated separately but could be shipped at a profit, even to Sudbury. This is the case at Raglan, Quebec, for example.
There is an estimated 250 million tonnes (minimum) of chromite in the Ring of Fire. This has an in-situ value of $25-$50 billion USD. There is also about 20 million tonnes of Ni-Cu-PGE ore, possibly worth as much as $5 billion more. There is an old joke in the mining industry that a world-class mine is one that is so rich that even the government can’t screw up the economics. Funny, I don’t hear that joke in Ontario these days, just a lot of quiet head-shaking. Noront trades under the symbol NOT on the Toronto Stock Exchange ~$0.32/shr and with a market cap of $100 million. If it were mining it would be a multi-billion dollar company.
I did say Europe, not just Normandy.
Take that millennials. You also suck in the mining industry.
Or I may have accidentally posted under the wrong section…
It’s all this driving. I went 28 km into town and back (yes 56 km!) and now I’m a nervous wreck.
Well we saw what the later generation did in the US in regard to the draft during the Vietnam era…..and as for WWII, almost all Canadians who went overseas were volunteers. The “Zombies” stayed home.
Anyone who says that present Canadian society does not delay adulthood suffers from cranial rectal insertion. My grandmothers were happily married at 16 and had their first child by 17. My mother moved out on her own at 14 and my father started working in the mines at 17. They both grew up on the farm and knew what it meant to work. I was raised on a farm and worked on it from a young age. I finished college and married by 22. My daughters can’t find young men who want to marry and they are not alone. My sons were indoctrinated at school into believing the feminist clap trap and they don’t want to marry because they were told the girls were simply men without penises and so the sons are happy to get laid without consequence. My youngest son told me that it is the girls that are initiating and chasing him. He doesn’t need to get married if all he wants is sex from the girl. Then there is the mindless escapism that is offered in drugs and video games. Why grow up and be a decent person when you can lose yourself night after night in a haze of dope and warcraft.
By age 24, I had already bought my first (very modest, 763 sq.ft.) Home, been married (twice) (that’s another cautionary tale about checking the mental health history of your potential mate FIRST), and watched my (sane) wife give birth to our first daughter. Oh … and my small-business employer provided NO health insurance of any sort. I had to pay for it MYSELF from my paltry earnings. Paltry earnings that ALL went into ESSENTIALS … not a dime leftover for “play”. Frankly, I have finally been able to start “playing” in recent years when all my obligations and responsibilities have long ago been met.
We have been raising a nation and culture of weenies … thankfully, 2/of my 3 children are following in my footsteps.
Okay Robert, you can add in Operation Dragoon for another 150,000 (little Cdn involvement) was also in 1944. What else was there in Europe? Operation Husky as in 1943.
What’s funny is that the rates for young people living at home only recently surpassed those from, you guessed it, 1940, when young unemployed men were at home coming off the great depression and young woman were at home waiting to get married off.
Young people staying at home goes more to economic factors than anything else. More people moving out sooner developed through the 40s, 50s and 60s as people became more economically comfortable at earlier ages. Pretty much every significant movement in these rates coincides with major economic events. I would also guess another significant driver right now is how many young people are going to university.
Wow, thanks for the correction. See, this is what happens when you work a month of nights LOL
Part of the explanation for so many millenials living at home may be the tired state of our economy, along with the housing bubble fueled by relentless credit expansion. Thanks to the perpetual growth of the nanny/welfare state and the capital consumption that fuels it, living standards have drifted lower and lower over the past fifty years. If these trends continue, it’s doubtful that most millenials will ever own a home, much less have an opportunity for retirement.
I’m sure your southern neighbors will open up shop when the time comes. Payment in silver and gold only, of course; rainbow monopoly money won’t be worth anything.
“My grandmothers were happily married at 16 and had their first child by 17.”
The motto of ‘young enough to bleed, young enough to breed’ might be okay in your compound, but it’s considered weird and creepy everywhere else ie normal world, and rightly so. Delayed marriage is a good thing; teenagers lack the wisdom to make that commitment.
Conservatives sure do have a hard-on for young people going off to die in war. My generation has a lot of shortcomings, but I’m kinda glad they’re replacing you people.
“living standards have drifted lower and lower over the past fifty years.”
False. Living standards are higher than half a century ago. High housing prices can be blamed on central banks but also more so on government-engineered shortages.
“The motto of ‘young enough to bleed, young enough to breed’ might be okay in your compound…..”
That twisted notion only applied to puberty onset. People lives shorter lives and had to grow up faster to pass on to the next generstion. As for rest of your nonsensical blather, it was the context of the times, you stupid mutt.
You should read Joe’s post. He seems to think it was great that women were being forced into child marriage a few generations back, and a shame we don’t ‘grow up’ so quickly today.
Ah yes unme is blathering on about materialism instead of well being. Of course socialists never understand the concept that life is more than food in you belly and clothes on your back. I think it is because they are lacking in dimension myself. In other words they are about as deep as a parking lot puddle.
Last I checked food and clothing were pretty essential to life.
“Delayed marriage is a good thing; teenagers lack the wisdom to make that commitment.”
Though they’re wise enough to know they’re ready for gender reassignment of course.
Though they’re wise enough to know they’re ready for gender reassignment of course.
One school had a ceremony for that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGGrcTh2rX0
Once again unme shows how shallow his thinking truly is. The picture at the beginning of this article showed the gravestones of brave young men who realized there are causes worth losing your life over. Things greater than self and greater than food in the belly and clothes on the back. Now Who was it that said “What shall it profit a man to gain the world but lose his soul”?
So true … Un Couth’s generation will wake up one day, in a stupor, surrounded by gadgets. and robots and wonder who the hell they are. Their own emptiness will wash over them like the warm water in the bathtub where their robot assistant is slicing their wrists open. A sad existence and ending. A soulless death. Full of self and nothingness.
I have a hard time with the story. Ok, so kids are moving in with their parents, or staying home longer than they should, thus in the USA, they lose their parent’s health benefits at age 26. Here in Canada, things are a tad different.
Why are the kids at home at 26?? One of the main reasons for that is that the manufacturers are now in Asian (and other countries) so the kids can’t get good jobs. There are only so many Walmart greeters and gas jockeys in one city. So what do we do?? The parents go to Walmart, buy Chinese T-shirts that lasts 6 months, then complain because the kids are still at home at 26. Maybe we should be making our own T-shirts right here in Canada. Oops forgot, we can’t import cotton from the US because Donald Trump is messing up NAFTA. We can’t make woolen T-shirts, they itch and the do-gooders don’t want sheep to lose their coat. We could make them out of linen (flax straw) but they cost like hell! But don’t worry!! Before long, they’ll have generic cotton that grows in Ontario. The downside?? By then the kids will be 46, and they’ll be too old to work in a T-shirt factory.
The picture for this story shows a Canadian war cemetery. Isn’t health care available to 18 years old kids in Canada?? That’s one of the reasons guys were fighting a war in Europe. To have Medicare like they had in the UK.
I have a solution. Live in Canada. Bring back the T.Eaton Company so we can buy ”Made in Canada” goods. Merry Christmas. And please, buy your Christmas lights at Canadian Tire.
yes, a picture IS worth a thousand words.
Ever make the connection that it’s BECAUSE the WW2 generation stormed the beaches of Normandy, that we are facing this nonsense today?