This fight is going on across North America and low income workers are being lied to that this will actually help them.
18 Replies to “4 Reasons the “Fight for $15” is bad for workers”
Pointless. Reason, logic, objective reality; it’s all wrong and cisgengered when you double think about it. Anything that doesn’t fit the narrative will simply de ignored. We are at war with East Asia. We have always been at war with East Asia. Until we aren’t.
Or, to paraphrase Amy and quote Churchill. The creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. Fool me 50,000 times or less, shame on you. Fool me 50,001 or more times shame on me. This is the brave new world of “takes a village”. It’s just far to late for enough people to come to the realization that everything they have ever been told is BS.
We already see countless self-serve checkouts in various stores, and its only the start. Even MickeyDs has self-serve, reducing the need for min wage serfs. Automation has barely been implemented, watch it accelerate in the min wage food industry (and others)
This loony progression of raising min wages, will mostly result in MOAR poverty, not less.
Here in Whacktoria, for example, one can see the impact of economic models on just the Food Industry, grocery stores, for this purpose.
If one looks around at say, Thrifty’s, Save-On, QF (a local island chain) and Superstore/Loblaws, we see who has the lowest prices (SS), and the highest (kind of a tie between the others). Save-On has the remains of a union still in place. Thrifty’s is mired by Sobey’s debt, and, a ‘customer service’ attitude, which frankly, has the stores overfilled with employees standing around, driving costs upward. Driving the wage up to $15/hr is going to result in either $4 eggs, $7 milk, $8 hamburger, etc, or a LOT of unemployed low wage earners. Customers will have to do more for themselves (big deal!) The grocery industry is so competitive, that, the stores just won’t raise prices any more than they can, and that means unemployment.
While Superstore has its warts (low stock levels, mediocre produce, questionable AAA beef, etc), it still has the best price point, on average.
This is just the grocery industry. Look at the restaurant industry, and the ridiculous number of kids working in any sit down eatery or fast food joint. Any jump to $15/hr, will result in higher prices and unemployment. Anyone feel like paying over $20 for a plate of spaghetti or a hamburger? Suckers are already paying $40+ for a steak at the Keg (grossly overrated BTW).
Much like the carbon tax, this silly policy will just raise the cost on everything. For cheepies like me, I stop going out to eat, unless someone is buying for me (in laws or the company card!), and I’m sure not going to put any money into Sobey’s or Pattison’s pocket. Alberta makes a good little test lab to see how destructive this obtuse policy is! (sorry friends).
I would also like to see a Study of what it does to the Middle class…If you add costs to the lower end of the financial ladder, someone higher up may have to go. It is difficult to justify paying someone more for doing less. The entry worker may be able to take on more tasks & be more productive….Re-organization is identifying cost centers & justifying, lower paid workers seldom get into that mix….It is Man/Hours paid for X results.
The Union may see things in a different manner, if the lower end is raised it discourages the company from hiring more people and existing members get more overtime…
The real minimum wage is zero. People seem to have trouble remembering that fact.
Not true ! The REAL minimum “wage” consists of the multiple welfare payments available to every idle American (and Canadian). + EBT card + Obama phone + Free childcare + Free medical + much, much, more Free sh*t
I honestly think the reason the push is on for a $15 minimum wage is to generate inflation.
The US and EU have failed in their attempts for QE. The Friedmanites ultimate goal is to pay less on the ridiculous debt they have taken on since 2008. And before…
The left wants to spend more. It doesn’t matter if its printing money, welfare, or just generally throwing money around. http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/summer-of-spending-liberal-mps-handed-out-billions
Money equates to POWER and its power they want. Buy some votes and kick the can down the road.
In order to do so they want to know they’re not on the hook for paying the debt off at todays current dollar value.
This is all a shell game…
If fifteen dollars an hour is good then thirty dollars an hour should be twice as good and a Big Mac will be unaffordable for most, hence thinner people. Every body wins.
Wait until all of the fast food workers become unionized. They’ll demand, say, $50/hour and go on strike if they don’t get it. That will deprive the country of easy access to burgers and fries, as one will be forbidden to cross the picket line. Society will the be brought to its knees through the resulting wide-spread deprivation and civilization as we know it will come to an end.
try unionizing a computerized self-order center. They already exist in some places, along with self checkouts. Some will minimum wage themselves out of work, which will please those in power, as then the out of work workers will depend on the gov’t and vote for those who “pay” them. Check with Romney on that one:-))
Heh
Tell it to the extremists that run the government of Alberta.
Their standard reply is putting fingers in their ears and go lala lala lala.
It’s jut the way it is with extremists.
Who said that Red Rachel and her gang of idiots were economic geniuses? This is a government that, like many on the left, believe that one can tax and spend one’s way to prosperity.
We know what’s going to happen. Prices and wages elsewhere are going to go up in response.
It’s like what happened during the first summer I worked in an oil refinery while I was an undergrad during the mid-1970s. That was a time when inflation was high and the maintenance crews, which were unionized, decided one day to hold a “study session” in response. They claimed that their contract didn’t account for the increased cost of living, so the managers re-opened the contract for negotiation.
After several hours of haggling, the maintenance workers got what they wanted. However, to keep the salaried staff happy, the managers gave everyone a small raise (5%, I think it was). As a summer student, I wasn’t about to complain.
During my second summer in that refinery, I worked with those same maintenance crews. My starting wage was about twice what the minimum rate was in the area.
I remember how a lot of people I knew from high school envied me because of that. The work, however was frequently back-breaking and often hazardous and I earned every penny of it.
Does the Alberta provincial government seriously think that selling burgers and fries is worth the same as, say, as cutting and threading pipe or changing out a valve while wearing an air mask due to hydrogen sulphide possibly being present?
Then again, I doubt that any of those leftist elitists ever had to work for a living before they were elected.
I would like to propose a $100.00/hr minimum wage, combined with stringent price caps on consumer goods. That way, everybody will have lots of money to buy cheap consumer goods! What could go wrong?
I would also like a fine chariot drawn by flying unicorns from which to rain down my munificence upon the grateful plebes.
The first thing one learns in economics, and should in real life, is economic decisions are about choices, what economists call opportunity cost.
The concept is lost on the apparatchik class, who’s income is guaranteed by the state and their political connections, not on logic and reality.
They never feel their assumptions need validation. This, the “carbon pricing” tax grab from cabin boy and the anti-Trump bigotry are recent examples.
Not content with eroding low income workers’ dwindling disposable income with carbon taxes, governments now wish to eliminate their jobs.
Statists have no theory of costs. Raise the taxes on the rich, that money is just sitting around anyway.
Raise minimum wages; even though Economics 101 states the higher price for something, the lower the demand, all other things being equal.
Instead governments assume all things will stay equal with their social engineering and interference in the personal business of others.
These are direct taxes imposed on everyone, and nearly always passed on to the consumer in the form of lower quality, reduced service & higher prices.
Yet the political class tells us they are “improving” society, ridding us of the need for productive capitalists and inconvenient common sense.
Since the apparatchiks see no consequence, everything is hunky dory. We have to ensure they bear, with us, the costs of their actions and idiotic policies.
Until the body politic gets this reacting to major scandals only, that understand government failure & incompetence is corruption, nothing will change.
Except for the worse, but not for them. Us=the basket of deplorables/irredeemables & the recently added basement baristas, the rest outside looking in.
There was a post on SDA a few years ago when some States raised the minimum wage up to $15.00. The result was that many went to their bosses and requested fewer hours because they no longer qualified for welfare.
There was a post on SDA a few years ago when some States raised the minimum wage up to $15.00. The result was that many went to their bosses and requested fewer hours because they no longer qualified for welfare.
Pointless. Reason, logic, objective reality; it’s all wrong and cisgengered when you double think about it. Anything that doesn’t fit the narrative will simply de ignored. We are at war with East Asia. We have always been at war with East Asia. Until we aren’t.
Or, to paraphrase Amy and quote Churchill. The creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. Fool me 50,000 times or less, shame on you. Fool me 50,001 or more times shame on me. This is the brave new world of “takes a village”. It’s just far to late for enough people to come to the realization that everything they have ever been told is BS.
We already see countless self-serve checkouts in various stores, and its only the start. Even MickeyDs has self-serve, reducing the need for min wage serfs. Automation has barely been implemented, watch it accelerate in the min wage food industry (and others)
This loony progression of raising min wages, will mostly result in MOAR poverty, not less.
Here in Whacktoria, for example, one can see the impact of economic models on just the Food Industry, grocery stores, for this purpose.
If one looks around at say, Thrifty’s, Save-On, QF (a local island chain) and Superstore/Loblaws, we see who has the lowest prices (SS), and the highest (kind of a tie between the others). Save-On has the remains of a union still in place. Thrifty’s is mired by Sobey’s debt, and, a ‘customer service’ attitude, which frankly, has the stores overfilled with employees standing around, driving costs upward. Driving the wage up to $15/hr is going to result in either $4 eggs, $7 milk, $8 hamburger, etc, or a LOT of unemployed low wage earners. Customers will have to do more for themselves (big deal!) The grocery industry is so competitive, that, the stores just won’t raise prices any more than they can, and that means unemployment.
While Superstore has its warts (low stock levels, mediocre produce, questionable AAA beef, etc), it still has the best price point, on average.
This is just the grocery industry. Look at the restaurant industry, and the ridiculous number of kids working in any sit down eatery or fast food joint. Any jump to $15/hr, will result in higher prices and unemployment. Anyone feel like paying over $20 for a plate of spaghetti or a hamburger? Suckers are already paying $40+ for a steak at the Keg (grossly overrated BTW).
Much like the carbon tax, this silly policy will just raise the cost on everything. For cheepies like me, I stop going out to eat, unless someone is buying for me (in laws or the company card!), and I’m sure not going to put any money into Sobey’s or Pattison’s pocket. Alberta makes a good little test lab to see how destructive this obtuse policy is! (sorry friends).
I would also like to see a Study of what it does to the Middle class…If you add costs to the lower end of the financial ladder, someone higher up may have to go. It is difficult to justify paying someone more for doing less. The entry worker may be able to take on more tasks & be more productive….Re-organization is identifying cost centers & justifying, lower paid workers seldom get into that mix….It is Man/Hours paid for X results.
The Union may see things in a different manner, if the lower end is raised it discourages the company from hiring more people and existing members get more overtime…
The real minimum wage is zero. People seem to have trouble remembering that fact.
Not true ! The REAL minimum “wage” consists of the multiple welfare payments available to every idle American (and Canadian). + EBT card + Obama phone + Free childcare + Free medical + much, much, more Free sh*t
I honestly think the reason the push is on for a $15 minimum wage is to generate inflation.
The US and EU have failed in their attempts for QE. The Friedmanites ultimate goal is to pay less on the ridiculous debt they have taken on since 2008. And before…
The left wants to spend more. It doesn’t matter if its printing money, welfare, or just generally throwing money around.
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/summer-of-spending-liberal-mps-handed-out-billions
Money equates to POWER and its power they want. Buy some votes and kick the can down the road.
In order to do so they want to know they’re not on the hook for paying the debt off at todays current dollar value.
This is all a shell game…
If fifteen dollars an hour is good then thirty dollars an hour should be twice as good and a Big Mac will be unaffordable for most, hence thinner people. Every body wins.
Wait until all of the fast food workers become unionized. They’ll demand, say, $50/hour and go on strike if they don’t get it. That will deprive the country of easy access to burgers and fries, as one will be forbidden to cross the picket line. Society will the be brought to its knees through the resulting wide-spread deprivation and civilization as we know it will come to an end.
try unionizing a computerized self-order center. They already exist in some places, along with self checkouts. Some will minimum wage themselves out of work, which will please those in power, as then the out of work workers will depend on the gov’t and vote for those who “pay” them. Check with Romney on that one:-))
This bloke comments pretty regularly on minimum wages – e.g.
http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2016/09/why-the-minimum-wage-is-a-bad-anti-poverty-policy-in-one-chart.html
And other things – e.g.
http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2016/09/failing-government-managers-are-never-fired-they-are-just-moved-or-even-promoted.html
Heh
Tell it to the extremists that run the government of Alberta.
Their standard reply is putting fingers in their ears and go lala lala lala.
It’s jut the way it is with extremists.
Who said that Red Rachel and her gang of idiots were economic geniuses? This is a government that, like many on the left, believe that one can tax and spend one’s way to prosperity.
We know what’s going to happen. Prices and wages elsewhere are going to go up in response.
It’s like what happened during the first summer I worked in an oil refinery while I was an undergrad during the mid-1970s. That was a time when inflation was high and the maintenance crews, which were unionized, decided one day to hold a “study session” in response. They claimed that their contract didn’t account for the increased cost of living, so the managers re-opened the contract for negotiation.
After several hours of haggling, the maintenance workers got what they wanted. However, to keep the salaried staff happy, the managers gave everyone a small raise (5%, I think it was). As a summer student, I wasn’t about to complain.
During my second summer in that refinery, I worked with those same maintenance crews. My starting wage was about twice what the minimum rate was in the area.
I remember how a lot of people I knew from high school envied me because of that. The work, however was frequently back-breaking and often hazardous and I earned every penny of it.
Does the Alberta provincial government seriously think that selling burgers and fries is worth the same as, say, as cutting and threading pipe or changing out a valve while wearing an air mask due to hydrogen sulphide possibly being present?
Then again, I doubt that any of those leftist elitists ever had to work for a living before they were elected.
I would like to propose a $100.00/hr minimum wage, combined with stringent price caps on consumer goods. That way, everybody will have lots of money to buy cheap consumer goods! What could go wrong?
I would also like a fine chariot drawn by flying unicorns from which to rain down my munificence upon the grateful plebes.
The first thing one learns in economics, and should in real life, is economic decisions are about choices, what economists call opportunity cost.
The concept is lost on the apparatchik class, who’s income is guaranteed by the state and their political connections, not on logic and reality.
They never feel their assumptions need validation. This, the “carbon pricing” tax grab from cabin boy and the anti-Trump bigotry are recent examples.
Not content with eroding low income workers’ dwindling disposable income with carbon taxes, governments now wish to eliminate their jobs.
Statists have no theory of costs. Raise the taxes on the rich, that money is just sitting around anyway.
Raise minimum wages; even though Economics 101 states the higher price for something, the lower the demand, all other things being equal.
Instead governments assume all things will stay equal with their social engineering and interference in the personal business of others.
These are direct taxes imposed on everyone, and nearly always passed on to the consumer in the form of lower quality, reduced service & higher prices.
Yet the political class tells us they are “improving” society, ridding us of the need for productive capitalists and inconvenient common sense.
Since the apparatchiks see no consequence, everything is hunky dory. We have to ensure they bear, with us, the costs of their actions and idiotic policies.
Until the body politic gets this reacting to major scandals only, that understand government failure & incompetence is corruption, nothing will change.
Except for the worse, but not for them. Us=the basket of deplorables/irredeemables & the recently added basement baristas, the rest outside looking in.
There was a post on SDA a few years ago when some States raised the minimum wage up to $15.00. The result was that many went to their bosses and requested fewer hours because they no longer qualified for welfare.
There was a post on SDA a few years ago when some States raised the minimum wage up to $15.00. The result was that many went to their bosses and requested fewer hours because they no longer qualified for welfare.