Daily Mail has more on Muslim convert Michael Zehaf-Bibeau “had his passport seized after being designated a ‘high-risk traveler'”
@WalshFreedom – Media always calls Bradley Manning “Chelsea,” but won’t call #Ottawa shooter by his chosen name Abdul Zehaf Bibeau
The Daily Mail…doing the reporting jobs that Canadian reporters won’t do.
If anyone is genuinely surprised by this information, they’ve been living under a rock for the past 20 years.
Druggie, lowlife, parole breaker, thief…Hero Of The Downtrodden. Welcome to the world of the Canadian Left.
Maybe this isn’t politically correct, but why not let these slimed SOBs leave and then revoke their passports. They would then not be Canadian – as if they ever were.
Just thinking…..
Other than the unkept appearance hardly looks like a Mussi
So now we’re 0 for 2 on the strategy of taking passports and keeping an eye on people.
It is apparently time to consider a more active strategy which would obviously be a roundup of declared sympathizers and internment. The alternative is just to wait for each one to activate himself and take them down one at a time with predictable collateral damage. And we have no assurance that every single one of these clowns will be as inept as the first two have been. We are damned lucky to have avoided a much larger catastrophe in Ottawa today, thanks to the training and bravery of the security detail in the Parliament buildings.
Also, have people taken note that this is already a daily schedule of attacks? They won’t be confined to any given region, we all need to be on guard and do the math on this as to where the next attacks might come.
We live in a free society, Peter. What’s the point of fighting them if we have to become them to defeat them?
Time to skid some khadrs and the lawyers they rode in on
@cgh
Nice try, but that crap doesn’t wash anymore with us. Kindergarten is over, bud.
The purpose of my life isn’t to “be nice” and be “liked” by everyone. I am not a preening narcissistic, nor a self-congratulatory internationalist. My purpose is (a) to provide for my family, and (b) to slaughter without remorse, those of my enemies who would threaten my children’s life and limb, and to do so with the supreme satisfaction of being the instrument of almighty justice upon these demon-possessed savages.
I fight to win, and I will sleep just fine with the tortured screams of dying Jihadis still ringing in my ears. You win wars by hating, pal. And I’ve been in one.
If I have to become a savage to destroy a gang of savages (in order that my children will know peace, freedom and security) I am ready, willing and able to jump in and happily provide my own contribution to giving any savage a taste of the sharp end of their own behaviour, before dispatching them to Hades. It’s the Western Way of War.
Delenda Cartago Est.
Holy CRAP – that is beautiful to see. We’re so much on the same page it isn’t funny.
“I am not a preening narcissistic, nor a self-congratulatory internationalist.”
You don’t fight barbarians by becoming one. Yes, kindergarten is over indeed, bud. The world is a dangerous place. Get used to it. Democracy and freedom have a price. You seem to want to throw them away. Try listening to what the PM just said now. You might learn something.
The real tragedy is that a SOLDIER on guard duty died since he wasn’t ‘allowed’ to have ammunition, because of some stupid politically correct bureaucracy.
The other tragedy is that a shooter got into parliament buildings and as far as he did before an armed civilian stopped him.
Some people on Parliament Security should lose their jobs over this.
cgh: the guy has been in a war. Have you? If you find the idea of “becoming a barbarian” distasteful that’s all well and good, but I don’t know myself whether raising your pinky while squeezing the trigger makes you a “better” protector of our people and our freedom.
Tell you what cgh,
You fight barbarians your way, I (and my buddies) will fight them our way. Now why don’t you go back to playing with your skateboard, or your crocheting, and let the grownups talk.
Because we want to live.
You effing tw@t.
You fight barbarians by returning fire, and taking all other steps necessary to end the threat. Duh.
Go read a history of the war against Germany in WW2, for more details of what a war of conquest entails, and how you keep the peace, once decency has overcome barbarism.
I don’t know who this preening retard “cgh” is, but he seems to have forgotten that the west, particularly the US, quite deliberately burned hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians alive in order to win a conflict that was not of America’s making. We – yes we, Canadians – helped our British allies do the same to hundreds of thousands of German civilians, the vast majority of whom probably did not consider themselves Nazis. This was not “becoming barbarians”; it was doing what was necessary to defeat ideologies dedicated to the destruction of our society. We didn’t try to understand Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan; we beat them so hard, destroyed so much of their infrastructure, and killed so many of their people that they were for decades incapable of doing anything other than scrabbling in the dirt to survive. We beat them so hard that they would have starved to death in the aftermath of defeat were it not for the aid we supplied.
You do not win wars with enemies, particularly barbaric ones, by playing nice, playing cop, or playing limp-wristed internationalist. You win them by destroying those who would destroy you. DESTROYING them. The next few days will demonstrate which of our elected officials understand this most fundamental lesson of history, and which instead decide to pander to the foes of our civilization by blathering about ‘marginalization’ and ‘root causes’, and asking tearfully ‘Why do they hate us?’
That’s not the question. The question is, ‘Why don’t they FEAR us?’ It’s long past time to make them.
HERE HERE!!!!
Ridiculous — internment of declared jihadi sympathizers is not “becoming like them.” I didn’t say we should hold them for ransom and chop their heads off on live TV.
There may be a grey area of law here because ISIS is not like Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan, a state against which we are fighting a declared war. But at this point, they are a de facto state holding territory in eastern Syria and western Iraq. They declared war on us (not from their departing ambassador but from some punk on youtube). However it was done, this is the situation in the real world — about a hundred sympathizers are known to be at large, and so far the government has not given the order to have them detained.
Why not? What’s the difference between them and (hypothetically) German agitators in 1940 who were making plans to blow up munitions factories etc? (this happened, it’s only hypothetical in terms of how it relates to ISIS).
I’m not talking about some draconian round-up of all Muslims or something crazy here, a hundred people have been placed on a watch list for a reason — whatever was holding back the government (intel gathering, fear of political fallout) should now be beside the point, do we want one of these incidents every day or every other day?
There can still be due process in this, if they get one or two non-sympathizers by accident, compensate them and release them.
We don’t have time to mess around waiting to see what these psychopaths do next.
He looks a little like Gamil Rodrigue Liass Gharbi, a.k.a. Marc Lépine, who no doubt would have
been a terrorist if that avenue had been open to him back in 1989.
That’s a problem we have – ISIS offers redemption, or what it offers as redemption,
through criminality and violence. That is bound to be appealing to criminals and the violent.
This gets better and better; bless all you guys. Just knowing there are still Canadians with so much sense makes this whole rotten day easier to stomach.
“That’s not the question. The question is, ‘Why don’t they FEAR us?’ It’s long past time to make them.”
Bloody brilliant.
And NOW I understand why Japanese and Germans were rounded up in Allied countries during WWII.
(a) They did it to our folks first,
(b) “sudden Jihad syndrome” is far to dangerous to ignore.
(c) the people that mattered, .. the adults who were busy winning the war … didn’t give a f*** what some navel-gazing libtard crybaby had to say about it.
I am reminded of Al Pacino’s verbal thrashing of Kevin Spacey in “Glengarry Glen Ross”. I see cgh as Kevin Spacey. DN is Big Al:
“Who ever told you that you could work with MEN? … You f***ing child. You NEVER open your mouth till you know what the shot is”…
OOooohhhh. I’m going down town on the next hippie scumbag apologist I run into. It’s high time I test out whether Jiu jitsu can really break arms from a standing position….
This isn’t about playing “nice”, doofus. This country, like the great republic to the south of us, was founded on fundamental principles of freedom and liberty. This is not about killing declared enemies. You morons propose to dump in concentration camps the guilty and the innocent both, making no distinctions whatsoever. In case you haven’t noticed, we live in a society of law and order, and our fight is to preserve that law and order, not summarily massacre all and sundry making no distinctions whatsoever.
Certainly my relatives did not become Nazis when they fought Nazis.
No, the idea that one becomes just like one’s enemy belongs to the outer reaches of pacifist
propaganda,
IN WWII both Canada and the US interned citizens of Japanese and German origin. Without
trial.
Orwell it was who said, “war is evil, and it is often the lesser evil.”
Good luck, cgh.
This is, after all, the same crowd that intermittently calls for the wholesale banning of Muslim immigration, as if “being a Muslim” was somehow an outwardly identifiable trait that could be flagged and screened out at a border control site rather than a system of internal thoughts and ideas that it (like all religions/faiths/ideologies) so obviously is. In effect, this crowd — ironically, the self-proclaimed defenders of freedom and liberty — is calling for the banning of certain ideas in this country.
The lack of self-awareness is astounding, through understandable given that many here also go through life driven fundamentally by fear.
A passport is a document issued by a government for the use of other governments, identifying
the passport holder and requesting that the other government treat the passport holder should be
allowed to pass freely into the other country (where “freely” depends on context). Removing
a passport does not involve revoking citizenship. The Canadian government cannot in most
cases revoke citizenship but it is entirely within its powers either not to issue a citizen with
a passport or to revoke the passport.
Kt, Do you have to work hard at being stupid and disingenuous or does it come naturally? In case you haven’t noticed, muslims are not native to the Western world, and their ideology towards other faiths makes them a real, and potential threat.
Kt – You can tell the Mohammedans by the woman who have been sexually mutilated.
Don’t you really think that this type of mutilation is an idea that should be banned from this country, indeed from all countries?
Not that I see any sign of “fear” here, but even if I did, it’d be a damn sight better than going through life driven by stupidity – you traitorous pile of steaming dog$hit.
Wow…quite the thought pattern there sonny. I for one am grateful said thinking was not prevalent during the 1940’s…my dad might never have made it out of the slave labour camp he spent 4 yrs in…
War is not fun and games .. I myself have never been in combat, although I did serve..I would have willingly gone. However I did listen to my now 90 year old dad when he spoke if those times…not nice at all.
You don’t fight to lose…you fight to utterly obliterate your enemy. your comment in reality disgustse.
I don’t think of him as a one time petty Quebec thug or even a failed Canadian, I think of him as a Muslim dirtbag that needed composting. Must be the Islamophobia.
Comment held for moderation.. Come on, give a guy a break here!
No, I think female genital mutilation is an ACT that IS banned (I.e., criminal offense) in this country.
Tell me, if one insists on defining the threat as “Islam” or “Muslim”, how does propose to eradicate said threat in Canada? I’m serious — how does one go about eradicating what is essentially a collection of thoughts and ideas?
I don’t see any suggestions above of rounding up large numbers of “the innocent and the guilty” nor of “concentration camps.”
Some might try to extend the concept too far, but what people have actually posted is a call to round up and intern known sympathizers of jihad. Surely this is already well founded in law and really has nothing to do with freedom of speech or conscience.
The idea that Canada is some hotel where you can check in and fan the flames of foreign conflicts with the money you make here, is basically alien to responsible citizenship and is an invitation to turn Canada into a third world basket case on a larger scale than the worst cases in Europe (where they are all having serious second thoughts about what is really “liberal” now that they get a whiff of the decomposing carcass of multicultural illusions).
“Not that I see any sign of “fear” here, but even if I did, it’d be a damn sight better than going through life driven by stupidity – you traitorous pile of steaming dog$hit.”
FYI, Mikey: aggression — say, in the form of preemptively hurling childish insults at someone on an Internet blog — is a widely recognized sign of fear.
“Surely this is already well founded in law…”
Depends one what their “sympathizing” has entailed. If their “sympathizing” involves breaking any Canadian laws, then yes, legally detain away. Otherwise, as despicable as their behaviour may be, the state (police/RCMP) can round them up for questioning, but can’t intern or otherwise hold them indefinitely.
Does it really need to be said that unlawful detainment by the state is a greater threat to personal freedom and liberty than any form of terrorist activity?
cgh said: “What’s the point of fighting them if we have to become them to defeat them?”
Not to pile on cgh, but I’d have to scoop out half my brain and cut off a limb to “become them”. They’re a pack of zero-impulse-control losers. If the Hill security wasn’t hamstrung by demented Liberal policy and Liberals in the command structure, Cpl. Cirillo’s buddies would have capped the pr1ck before he got his third round off.
Barbarians are not a threat to civilized men. Liberals are.
Ktroll said: “Does it really need to be said that unlawful detainment by the state is a greater threat to personal freedom and liberty than any form of terrorist activity?”
Does it really need to be said that the detainment and questioning of a dead terrorist’s close associates is not only lawful, but common sense?
Ktroll also said: “I’m serious — how does one go about eradicating what is essentially a collection of thoughts and ideas?”
The usual way. By shipping them back to where they came from when they get ugly and plot treason, by chucking them in jail if they actually do it, and ultimately by shooting them when they do violence against us like this cretin today.
Are there any German Nazis left? Are there any Japanese Tokugowa Fascists left? Followers of Mussolini, perhaps? No? Works good, eh?
For that matter are there any Christians left in Iraq? See? They can do it too.
“Some might try to extend the concept too far, but what people have actually posted is a call to round up and intern known sympathizers of jihad.”
Exactly! With what ever laws are available or add some teeth to the current laws.
It also might be a good idea to severely restrict further immigration.
It is sad that our society has come from a no holds barred in defeating Nazi German and Fascist Japan, and today we are reluctant to even break a sweat out in our enemies. A recipe for ultimate defeat against an opponent that has decided to take over our civilization in any way it can, either by terrorizing us into submission or taking over from within.
cgh
I’m not gonna insult you nor pile on….
However, I shall counsel in the manner of a father to a son….
There is no phobia nor paranoia if they really are tryin’ ta getcha.
Ecclesiastes 3….unto everything there is a season…a time to….
Fear is good….it keeps ya alive a while longer…and to an extent makes you avoid stupid stuff.
I figure everything has a colour….empathy and pity has a colour….it was on the steps of the National War Memorial today…..enough is enough….
Ya do what ya gotta do….
I suspect bbss is not a bloodthirsty sadist nor a a Walter Mitty but has the pragmatism of having been there…and done that.
Peter O’Donnell sez…”I didn’t say we should hold them for ransom and chop their heads off on live TV.”
Look upon it as protective custody. A not desperate measure in a desperate time.
Emotions are raw at this point. In my building we have a couple of nice Muslim ladies, one covers her hair with a bandana but not her face. They seem to be really nice folks, and I like to think that they came here to get away from the madness we are beginning to see here. We have to be fussy as to whom we allow in from now on. I’m a Catholic, but I don’t propose we disallow atheists, or Unitarians or whatever (and we have enough Catholics-in-name-only) but we’ve already allowed too many kooks in, and proselytizing by radicals must stop. And yes, sometimes you gotta kick ass!
Cgh, Kt
Don’t ever forget that Islam in a legal age adult is not something you’re born with. It’s not a race. It is not a biological condition, like homosexuality. It is a very public declaration, followed by a conscious lifestyle choice.
In that sense, and in the way it is carrying on in Syria and Iraq, it IS the religious Nazism of our day. We did not try to separate out the good from the bad Nazis. We declared the movement illegal, we rounded up and disempowered those who practised AND preached it, and those that wouldn’t willingly abandon it, we just got rid of. In the end we’re still chasing down obscure old men and putting them on trial, 70 years later.
That’s how you destroy an idea – you mercilessly persecute its practitioners till they give it up or leave. There is no Nazi party running in any Canadian election is there?
And you HAVE to realise that to a Syrian Christian refugee from ISIS, living in a Western country, open Islamic dress, religiosity and speech looks exactly like parading around in a Waffen SS uniform distributing Mein Kampf would look like to a Polish Jew.
If nothing else, it is savagely insensitive. Funny how we seem to tolerate from mohammedans what we would NEVER tolerate from the Storm Front cooks, hey?
You only win this thing be delegitimising Islam itself. I’d suggest passing the following laws:
(a) FORCING mosques to allow proseletysing by other faith groups on their premises.
(b) Open the Islamic faith up to relentless public ridicule and shaming – seriously, Mohammed was a paedophile and a savage, not to mention a petty thief and a rapist. And there are savages out there who are dumb enough to worship this f***head? This means using the full power of the law to go after anyone who tries to censure those who engage in “disrespect” of Islam. It badly needs loads of public disrespect.
(c) Launch FULL investigations into Islamic lawfare and those on the Left who support and enable it. With trials for the crime of “political intimidation of law-abiding citizens” to follow.
(d) Force ALL schools to teach highly critical courses, that defrock ALL religions, as part and parcel of the curriculum. No exceptions or exemptions. The others are mature and sensible enough to survive that. Islam simply can’t. It’s far too insecure and thin-skinned.
It’s not that hard, really.
You know who else persecutes people on the basis of their religious affiliation? Saudi Arabia. Burma. North Korea. Communist China. The Taliban. Just to give you an idea of the company you’d be keeping if you had your way.
I’d like to know: was Zehaf-Bibeau’s 30-30 rifle registered?
YOUR MORAL AN INTELLECTUAL SUPERIORS
Did anyone notice that the map is not actually pointing at Parliament Hill, though the label says it is?
Other than that, good article.
I also noticed yesterday while this was all going on that CBS News reported the shooter’s name before any Canadian media – how is that possible? Oh right…the narrative.
It must feel great, never knowing fear, Kt – why not publish under your real name? And address?
Assclown.
Kt the Fearless, how about publishing your next troll post under your real name? How about your home address while you’re at it – a show of faith here would really impress everyone, I’m sure.
Anyway I think you’ve made your “point” – again and again in this and other threads. Our liberty is in jeopardy because we want to remove bad guys from our country, yada yada. Nobody here agrees with you. Thanks for nothing, don’t let the virtual door hit you, etc.
I blame this entirely on the Assault Lever Action rifle this goat connoisseur was carrying.
@bbss
You are 100% on the nose. You and the others who gave cgh the calling down for being the moronic lefty apologist that he is.