Some facts are just waay more inconvenient to the left than to the right.
h/t maz2 Related. As in, directly related.
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The lefties also get torqued when you remind them that all US presidents have been shot from the left
National socialists also nationalized the railroads and the arms industry
Of course when you point out that not a few Nazis simply exchanged uniforms when “National Socialism” was on the decline and opted opportunistically to back the winning horse “Universal Socialism”; the level of discussion turns predictably sour. http://www.alaindebenoist.com/pdf/evil_twins.pdf
The same comparison was the basis of Hannah Arendt’s famous study of totalitarianism. Allan Bullock wrote parallel biographies of Stalin and Hitler. More recently, Furet, who has long wondered about the real reasons for the refusal to
compare the two systems, has written: “This prohibition, internalized by the disconsolate as an almost religious truth, prevents thinking of communism in terms of its deepest reality — that it is totalitarian.” Nazism and communism have been
described by Pierre Chaunu as “heterozygous twins.”
In a speech at the annual meeting of the French Institute, Alain Besançon, characterized these systems as “equally criminal.”
The comparison between communism and Nazism is in fact
not only legitimate, but indispensable because, without it, these two phenomena become unintelligible. The only way to understand them — and to understand the history of the first part of this century — is to “take them together” (Furet), to study them “in their own time” (Ernst Nolte), i.e., in their common historical context. https://antioligarch.wordpress.com/2010/08/18/nazis-communists-ideological-bedfellows/
The Commu-Nazi
Communists and Nazis were viewed as twins by authors writing in the 1930s. Both implemented collectivism, hated Christians and Jews, used racism when it helped them (but not when it did not), and centralized government power. There was once a popular term used to describe the common evil of Bolshevism and Nazism: the Commu-Nazi. It is curious how easily Bolsheviks became Nazis and Nazis became Bolsheviks — but that is just what one would expect if the two evil movements were identical.
Before the Non-Aggression Pact, many communists, on orders from Moscow, had joined the Nazi Party and risen to high positions within the Nazi Party. German communists even joined the Nazi Party after Hitler came to power. How did Nazis view non-Jewish German communists? In his 1936 book Government in the Third Reich, Morstein Marx states that National Socialist attorneys were told to never refuse a case from any non-Jewish communist because communists were merely misled.
Later, former Nazis slipped seamlessly into the power structure of the East German government. Former SS Obersturmfuehrer Adelbert Baumler, for example, ran counterintelligence for the East German communists; Dr. Leo Lange, who had belonged to the Gestapo, was put in charge of East German communist radio and the press; and a number of German generals who served Hitler also served the new East German government.
Those who did not become members of the East German political apparatus often became members of the Social Democrat Party (SDP), the most leftist party in West Germany, and significant numbers regularly met with the Soviet KGB or with the East German StB secret services. Other prominent former Nazis were so Marxist in thought as to be indistinguishable from communists. Gunter Grass, political activist and winner of the Nobel Prize in Literature, opposed the reunification of Germany and has had only contemptuous things to say about America, religious people, conservative groups, and “capitalism.” What was his political pedigree? In late 2006, Grass revealed that he had been a member of the Waffen-SS in Nazi Germany.
The collectivist enemies of human freedom wear many masks, but they are all the same: Bolshevism, Nazism, radical Islam, or Fabian Socialism. Hate freedom? Hate God? Want every decision made in Washington? Want to use racism — either harming or aiding disparate racial groups — as a tool to get power? Then realize that the club you have joined is that of the Commu-Nazi and all its evil.
Cheers
Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
Leftists manipulate the juvenile instinct for rebellious malevolence very effectively.
Cal
Kennedy was shot by a mixed bag of assassins. I wouldn’t call Prescott Bush or Allen Dulles “left”, nor Prescott’s son George, and yes they did have a hand in it.
I think the main difference is the Nazis had smarter uniforms.
Ayn Rand talked about this years ago.
‘Under fascism, citizens retain the responsibilities of owning property, without freedom to act and without any of the advantages of ownership. Under socialism, government officials acquire all the advantages of ownership, without any of the responsibilities, since they do not hold title to the property, but merely the right to use it—at least until the next purge. In either case, the government officials hold the economic, political and legal power of life or death over the citizens.’
Nothing I have seen or read makes the stark similarity between National socialism and Bolshevism as clear as this – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVZjyyAE-78#t=2707
Fascist and Socialist methodology and ideology are blood brothers
It clearly means that there is no debating or reasoning with the left any more than Hitler’s Nazi’s or Islam.
” Using the soubriquet “Right-wing” to mean “something undesirable” is a small but important example.”
Usually the left add ‘far’ or ‘extreme” to further stigmatize those they disagree with. That is ‘ micro-aggression’ and should be pointed out when used, though it would
make little difference to most, it can be fun to use their own nonsense to confuse them.
Well said Hans. Excellent precis of the seamless nature of Nazism and Communism. They both had the same father.
A portion of Andrew Klavin’s article explains the essence of the left.
“Silencing the opposition is the very essence of leftism. Good ideas that make life better — like free market capitalism and freedom of speech — can withstand open debate. But socialism — a government power grab as old as Pharoah — has failed everywhere, and even if it succeeded it would be oppressive and wrong. It can’t defend itself on the merits. It can only survive where the opposition is demonized, censored, bullied and jailed.”
We see this in practice in Canada with the constant efforts by the left to shut down or demonize SunNews. If they are not successful in this they flood the comments section or skew the poll questions.
“Equality. Socialism is about equality. Everyone knows this,…”
The naivety in this statement by a commenter at the link is simply incredible. Or the person is just another communist liar.
I’ve found that most proponents of socialism are in a position of power which would be increased by society embracing socialism, and has nothing whatsoever to do with “equality”.
“I think the main difference is the Nazis had smarter uniforms.”
And much nicer, well made, toys.
TheTooner, exactly.
Andrew Klaven pin points the main thesis of socialism with the following statement.
“Silencing the opposition is the very essence of leftism. Good ideas that make life better — like free market capitalism and freedom of speech — can withstand open debate. But socialism — a government power grab as old as Pharoah — has failed everywhere, and even if it succeeded it would be oppressive and wrong. It can’t defend itself on the merits. It can only survive where the opposition is demonized, censored, bullied and jailed.”
Not sure why my second comment on this is being held for review.
I attribute the difference in weapons and equipment more to the difference between Germans and Russians. Although I have heard pre-revolutionary Russia built some good railway engines, I think a the example of the difference between a Mauser 98 rifle and a Moisin-Nagant is more typical of the respective national characters.
What I see is a uniformity of thought between the communists, nazis and the western progressives of the same era. Stalin, Hitler and Tommy Douglas had the same intent and differed only in methodology. That intent remains in modern progressives to have mankind improve himself through forced evolution which anyone with a lick of wisdom would realize this endeavour is about as likely to succeed as pulling oneself up by tugging on one’s shoelaces.
Hans and in a briefer form TheTooner have it right. East German Nazis, as well as Hungarian Arrow Cross made the transition to communism quite easily.
Andrew Klaven sums it up well by saying, “Silencing the opposition is the very essence of leftism.”
@Don,
Was that comment made by George Orwell, perchance?
I like to point out to them that Socialism is about “equality” until they’re no longer useful to the cause.
“Socialism is about equality” for all the animals in the barnyard except for the animals who are more equal than the others. The lesser equal animals are all equally miserable while the more equal animals are living in hog heaven.
Daniel Hannan >”To be absolutely clear, I don’t believe that modern Leftists have subliminal Nazi leanings, or that their loathing of Hitler is in any way feigned.”
Too bad, Daniel. Maybe you should take a real close look at Bill Ayers.
Bill Ayers, American terrorist, founder of Students for a Democratic Society(better know as the Weathermen/Weather Underground) and mentor/friend to Barack Hussein Obama is an important founding father of what was called in the Sixties ‘the New Left’.
The New Left is now in power and Bill Ayers has stated that he would round up 25% of Americans and put them in concentration/extermination camps. That’s more than 75 million people.
The Nazi leanings are not subliminal David. You’re just blind and uninformed..
The lefties also get torqued when you remind them that all US presidents have been shot from the left
National socialists also nationalized the railroads and the arms industry
Of course when you point out that not a few Nazis simply exchanged uniforms when “National Socialism” was on the decline and opted opportunistically to back the winning horse “Universal Socialism”; the level of discussion turns predictably sour.
http://www.alaindebenoist.com/pdf/evil_twins.pdf
The same comparison was the basis of Hannah Arendt’s famous study of totalitarianism. Allan Bullock wrote parallel biographies of Stalin and Hitler. More recently, Furet, who has long wondered about the real reasons for the refusal to
compare the two systems, has written: “This prohibition, internalized by the disconsolate as an almost religious truth, prevents thinking of communism in terms of its deepest reality — that it is totalitarian.” Nazism and communism have been
described by Pierre Chaunu as “heterozygous twins.”
In a speech at the annual meeting of the French Institute, Alain Besançon, characterized these systems as “equally criminal.”
The comparison between communism and Nazism is in fact
not only legitimate, but indispensable because, without it, these two phenomena become unintelligible. The only way to understand them — and to understand the history of the first part of this century — is to “take them together” (Furet), to study them “in their own time” (Ernst Nolte), i.e., in their common historical context.
https://antioligarch.wordpress.com/2010/08/18/nazis-communists-ideological-bedfellows/
The Commu-Nazi
Communists and Nazis were viewed as twins by authors writing in the 1930s. Both implemented collectivism, hated Christians and Jews, used racism when it helped them (but not when it did not), and centralized government power. There was once a popular term used to describe the common evil of Bolshevism and Nazism: the Commu-Nazi. It is curious how easily Bolsheviks became Nazis and Nazis became Bolsheviks — but that is just what one would expect if the two evil movements were identical.
Before the Non-Aggression Pact, many communists, on orders from Moscow, had joined the Nazi Party and risen to high positions within the Nazi Party. German communists even joined the Nazi Party after Hitler came to power. How did Nazis view non-Jewish German communists? In his 1936 book Government in the Third Reich, Morstein Marx states that National Socialist attorneys were told to never refuse a case from any non-Jewish communist because communists were merely misled.
Later, former Nazis slipped seamlessly into the power structure of the East German government. Former SS Obersturmfuehrer Adelbert Baumler, for example, ran counterintelligence for the East German communists; Dr. Leo Lange, who had belonged to the Gestapo, was put in charge of East German communist radio and the press; and a number of German generals who served Hitler also served the new East German government.
Those who did not become members of the East German political apparatus often became members of the Social Democrat Party (SDP), the most leftist party in West Germany, and significant numbers regularly met with the Soviet KGB or with the East German StB secret services. Other prominent former Nazis were so Marxist in thought as to be indistinguishable from communists. Gunter Grass, political activist and winner of the Nobel Prize in Literature, opposed the reunification of Germany and has had only contemptuous things to say about America, religious people, conservative groups, and “capitalism.” What was his political pedigree? In late 2006, Grass revealed that he had been a member of the Waffen-SS in Nazi Germany.
The collectivist enemies of human freedom wear many masks, but they are all the same: Bolshevism, Nazism, radical Islam, or Fabian Socialism. Hate freedom? Hate God? Want every decision made in Washington? Want to use racism — either harming or aiding disparate racial groups — as a tool to get power? Then realize that the club you have joined is that of the Commu-Nazi and all its evil.
Cheers
Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
Leftists manipulate the juvenile instinct for rebellious malevolence very effectively.
Cal
Kennedy was shot by a mixed bag of assassins. I wouldn’t call Prescott Bush or Allen Dulles “left”, nor Prescott’s son George, and yes they did have a hand in it.
I think the main difference is the Nazis had smarter uniforms.
Ayn Rand talked about this years ago.
‘Under fascism, citizens retain the responsibilities of owning property, without freedom to act and without any of the advantages of ownership. Under socialism, government officials acquire all the advantages of ownership, without any of the responsibilities, since they do not hold title to the property, but merely the right to use it—at least until the next purge. In either case, the government officials hold the economic, political and legal power of life or death over the citizens.’
Nothing I have seen or read makes the stark similarity between National socialism and Bolshevism as clear as this –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVZjyyAE-78#t=2707
Fascist and Socialist methodology and ideology are blood brothers
It clearly means that there is no debating or reasoning with the left any more than Hitler’s Nazi’s or Islam.
Feel good video of the day! Crying Alert – Ohio boy pays it forward with found fortune
http://commoncts.blogspot.com/2014/03/crying-alert-ohio-boy-pays-it-forward.html
” Using the soubriquet “Right-wing” to mean “something undesirable” is a small but important example.”
Usually the left add ‘far’ or ‘extreme” to further stigmatize those they disagree with. That is ‘ micro-aggression’ and should be pointed out when used, though it would
make little difference to most, it can be fun to use their own nonsense to confuse them.
Well said Hans. Excellent precis of the seamless nature of Nazism and Communism. They both had the same father.
A portion of Andrew Klavin’s article explains the essence of the left.
“Silencing the opposition is the very essence of leftism. Good ideas that make life better — like free market capitalism and freedom of speech — can withstand open debate. But socialism — a government power grab as old as Pharoah — has failed everywhere, and even if it succeeded it would be oppressive and wrong. It can’t defend itself on the merits. It can only survive where the opposition is demonized, censored, bullied and jailed.”
We see this in practice in Canada with the constant efforts by the left to shut down or demonize SunNews. If they are not successful in this they flood the comments section or skew the poll questions.
“Equality. Socialism is about equality. Everyone knows this,…”
The naivety in this statement by a commenter at the link is simply incredible. Or the person is just another communist liar.
I’ve found that most proponents of socialism are in a position of power which would be increased by society embracing socialism, and has nothing whatsoever to do with “equality”.
“I think the main difference is the Nazis had smarter uniforms.”
And much nicer, well made, toys.
TheTooner, exactly.
Andrew Klaven pin points the main thesis of socialism with the following statement.
“Silencing the opposition is the very essence of leftism. Good ideas that make life better — like free market capitalism and freedom of speech — can withstand open debate. But socialism — a government power grab as old as Pharoah — has failed everywhere, and even if it succeeded it would be oppressive and wrong. It can’t defend itself on the merits. It can only survive where the opposition is demonized, censored, bullied and jailed.”
Not sure why my second comment on this is being held for review.
I attribute the difference in weapons and equipment more to the difference between Germans and Russians. Although I have heard pre-revolutionary Russia built some good railway engines, I think a the example of the difference between a Mauser 98 rifle and a Moisin-Nagant is more typical of the respective national characters.
What I see is a uniformity of thought between the communists, nazis and the western progressives of the same era. Stalin, Hitler and Tommy Douglas had the same intent and differed only in methodology. That intent remains in modern progressives to have mankind improve himself through forced evolution which anyone with a lick of wisdom would realize this endeavour is about as likely to succeed as pulling oneself up by tugging on one’s shoelaces.
Hans and in a briefer form TheTooner have it right. East German Nazis, as well as Hungarian Arrow Cross made the transition to communism quite easily.
Andrew Klaven sums it up well by saying, “Silencing the opposition is the very essence of leftism.”
@Don,
Was that comment made by George Orwell, perchance?
I like to point out to them that Socialism is about “equality” until they’re no longer useful to the cause.
“Socialism is about equality” for all the animals in the barnyard except for the animals who are more equal than the others. The lesser equal animals are all equally miserable while the more equal animals are living in hog heaven.
Daniel Hannan >”To be absolutely clear, I don’t believe that modern Leftists have subliminal Nazi leanings, or that their loathing of Hitler is in any way feigned.”
Too bad, Daniel. Maybe you should take a real close look at Bill Ayers.
Bill Ayers, American terrorist, founder of Students for a Democratic Society(better know as the Weathermen/Weather Underground) and mentor/friend to Barack Hussein Obama is an important founding father of what was called in the Sixties ‘the New Left’.
The New Left is now in power and Bill Ayers has stated that he would round up 25% of Americans and put them in concentration/extermination camps. That’s more than 75 million people.
The Nazi leanings are not subliminal David. You’re just blind and uninformed..