Interesting (given the events of the last decade, quite real) perspective.
h/t: twitter.
62 Replies to “Legalize Mary Jane?”
I had a nice little rant ready, but it looks like Knight 99 already covered off what I’d say.
So, as long it’s just not another excuse to pick my pocket to subsidize some stoner crackhead, and I have the right to protect myself and my family from these degenerates, I don’t care.
I guess I have to repeat part of the post I made last night, for the benefit of some who missed it, obviously: Most pot users will simply grow their own. See, that was easy, wasn’t it? Now there is no more organized crime, as well as the government’s involvement. Now, all the other BS I’m seeing here: impaired driving is the same as drunk driving to the police or justice system overall, it’s just better defined and easier to prove for alcohol than pot. I stand by my earlier statement re: not one death due to health problems caused by pot. NOT ONE! I invite anyone to prove me wrong. Even if you can, compare that to the millions of deaths caused by tobacco and alcohol, then we can talk about hippocracy! The pot laws are the most expensive single issue any government has spent money on, anywhere, ever. You want to spend money like that forever, just keep on doing what you’re doing. And spending health care dollars on smokers and drinkers and continue to justify that as a reason to not legalize pot. Stupid, stupid, stupid! Then, you get to look the people who depend on it for medical reasons and tell them that they are all criminals for not getting addicted to useless prescription drugs. And finally, as far as the status quo: the police use this law as a crowbar to muscle people into legal situations they would rather not be in, and the libertarian in me has a problem with that. Also, the argument that it doesn’t amount to much more than a parking ticket is just silly. You get a criminal record for possession or any other infraction involving pot. Do you get that? A criminal record. Not exactly on the same scale as a parking ticket, you know. Full disclosure by law on every job application, for the rest of your life! Try to travel to another country, EVER! The law needs to go, plain and simple.
http://mises.org/journals/scholar/thornton15.pdf
This is the much needed scholarly analysis of drug prohibition that is sorely lacking from this social conservative chortle chamber of a discussion.
Health risks were never a relevant argument against prohibition.
All drugs should be legal because there is no reason they should not be. The purpose of government is to protect individuals from violence at the hands of others.
That does not mean that persons who voluntarily self-intoxicate should not be responsible for their actions.
Nor does it mean that one red cent of taxpayers’ money should be spent on helping them get stoned (a la Insite), or on treating their addictions.
Thank you Big Cee, you pretty much covered it all.
Instead of their usual talking points I would like to see the pro drug side take apart what Knight 99 has so plainly stated. Show us the numbers and the savings and show us why the average taxpayer won’t be on the hook for more BS government programs.
The Big Cee
“The pot laws are the most expensive single issue any government has spent money on,”
Bullcrap. I doubt that any police force targets weed when doing stops and searches. It’s a consolation prize and they will take it. They do target growers and trafficers but I suspect enforcement cost would not drop with legalization as weed is only one drug among many.
You get a criminal record for possession or any other infraction involving pot. Do you get that? A criminal record.
Oh no, protect me from the consequences of my own actions.
There’s easy way not to get a criminal record…
MJ is known to cause schizophrenia and aggravate it even with minimal use. The younger one begins using it, the higher the risk for schizophrenia. http://www.miller-mccune.com/health/the-cannabis-and-schizophrenia-conundrum-10218/
Alcohol can also cause Wernicke–Korsakoff syndrome a type of brain damage from a lack of B1 – thiamine.
001:026 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our
likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea,
and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over
all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth
upon the earth.
001:027 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God
created he him; male and female created he them.
001:028 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and
multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have
dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the
air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
001:029 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing
seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree,
in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it
shall be for meat.
Taken from genesis.
What gives another man the right to take away my rights from god. That is not very christian.
The Big Cee >
What you need to be advocating to gain support for legalizing pot is what I had stated, get rid of the nanny state!
No more welfare.
Privatize Health Care.
Castle Laws.
Concealed carry permits.
Employer’s rights to hire and fire anyone of their choosing.
Doubling prison terms for offences committed by impaired persons (i.e. medical malpractice or heavy equipment operators that slip through drug screening cracks etcetera).
If you can accomplished this I doubt there would be very little resistance to legalizing pot.
The problem for the left is that they want a nanny state, but they don’t like the rules that govern their particular interests. The simplest and fairest solution is to get rid of that nanny state so that all people are free to do as they wish. It’s their neighbors and employers that decide whether or not they are infringing on individual rights or property and whether or not a firing or bullet is justified in settling the issue.
It’s the Libertarian way to accomplish your right to smoke pot, not the Liberal “gimme my way but I’ll take yours” position.
I don’t think it says anything about smoking it.
Anyway, in verse 29, ‘herb bearing seed’ is a Hebraism meaning ‘seeding seed’.
Farmers, typically, don’t plant weeds as an edible crop.
I had a nice little rant ready, but it looks like Knight 99 already covered off what I’d say.
So, as long it’s just not another excuse to pick my pocket to subsidize some stoner crackhead, and I have the right to protect myself and my family from these degenerates, I don’t care.
I guess I have to repeat part of the post I made last night, for the benefit of some who missed it, obviously: Most pot users will simply grow their own. See, that was easy, wasn’t it? Now there is no more organized crime, as well as the government’s involvement. Now, all the other BS I’m seeing here: impaired driving is the same as drunk driving to the police or justice system overall, it’s just better defined and easier to prove for alcohol than pot. I stand by my earlier statement re: not one death due to health problems caused by pot. NOT ONE! I invite anyone to prove me wrong. Even if you can, compare that to the millions of deaths caused by tobacco and alcohol, then we can talk about hippocracy! The pot laws are the most expensive single issue any government has spent money on, anywhere, ever. You want to spend money like that forever, just keep on doing what you’re doing. And spending health care dollars on smokers and drinkers and continue to justify that as a reason to not legalize pot. Stupid, stupid, stupid! Then, you get to look the people who depend on it for medical reasons and tell them that they are all criminals for not getting addicted to useless prescription drugs. And finally, as far as the status quo: the police use this law as a crowbar to muscle people into legal situations they would rather not be in, and the libertarian in me has a problem with that. Also, the argument that it doesn’t amount to much more than a parking ticket is just silly. You get a criminal record for possession or any other infraction involving pot. Do you get that? A criminal record. Not exactly on the same scale as a parking ticket, you know. Full disclosure by law on every job application, for the rest of your life! Try to travel to another country, EVER! The law needs to go, plain and simple.
http://mises.org/journals/scholar/thornton15.pdf
This is the much needed scholarly analysis of drug prohibition that is sorely lacking from this social conservative chortle chamber of a discussion.
Health risks were never a relevant argument against prohibition.
All drugs should be legal because there is no reason they should not be. The purpose of government is to protect individuals from violence at the hands of others.
That does not mean that persons who voluntarily self-intoxicate should not be responsible for their actions.
Nor does it mean that one red cent of taxpayers’ money should be spent on helping them get stoned (a la Insite), or on treating their addictions.
Thank you Big Cee, you pretty much covered it all.
Instead of their usual talking points I would like to see the pro drug side take apart what Knight 99 has so plainly stated. Show us the numbers and the savings and show us why the average taxpayer won’t be on the hook for more BS government programs.
The Big Cee
“The pot laws are the most expensive single issue any government has spent money on,”
Bullcrap. I doubt that any police force targets weed when doing stops and searches. It’s a consolation prize and they will take it. They do target growers and trafficers but I suspect enforcement cost would not drop with legalization as weed is only one drug among many.
You get a criminal record for possession or any other infraction involving pot. Do you get that? A criminal record.
Oh no, protect me from the consequences of my own actions.
There’s easy way not to get a criminal record…
MJ is known to cause schizophrenia and aggravate it even with minimal use. The younger one begins using it, the higher the risk for schizophrenia.
http://www.miller-mccune.com/health/the-cannabis-and-schizophrenia-conundrum-10218/
Alcohol can also cause Wernicke–Korsakoff syndrome a type of brain damage from a lack of B1 – thiamine.
001:026 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our
likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea,
and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over
all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth
upon the earth.
001:027 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God
created he him; male and female created he them.
001:028 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and
multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have
dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the
air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
001:029 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing
seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree,
in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it
shall be for meat.
Taken from genesis.
What gives another man the right to take away my rights from god. That is not very christian.
The Big Cee >
What you need to be advocating to gain support for legalizing pot is what I had stated, get rid of the nanny state!
No more welfare.
Privatize Health Care.
Castle Laws.
Concealed carry permits.
Employer’s rights to hire and fire anyone of their choosing.
Doubling prison terms for offences committed by impaired persons (i.e. medical malpractice or heavy equipment operators that slip through drug screening cracks etcetera).
If you can accomplished this I doubt there would be very little resistance to legalizing pot.
The problem for the left is that they want a nanny state, but they don’t like the rules that govern their particular interests. The simplest and fairest solution is to get rid of that nanny state so that all people are free to do as they wish. It’s their neighbors and employers that decide whether or not they are infringing on individual rights or property and whether or not a firing or bullet is justified in settling the issue.
It’s the Libertarian way to accomplish your right to smoke pot, not the Liberal “gimme my way but I’ll take yours” position.
I don’t think it says anything about smoking it.
Anyway, in verse 29, ‘herb bearing seed’ is a Hebraism meaning ‘seeding seed’.
Farmers, typically, don’t plant weeds as an edible crop.