42 Replies to “Oops”

  1. Seriously, folks, follow the link and read the comments. They are hilarious!
    My fave:
    “All we needed to beat Obama was a dumb rock.
    We can’t even find inert matter.”

  3. Everybody is making a huge deal of this, for myself I really can’t. The guy spazzed on the name of something, I do that every frickin’ day. Ronald Regan used to do it too, in public, on TV.
    I can’t name off all the muscles of the arm anymore, but I can LOOK IT UP if I really need to, and not knowing the name doesn’t mean I can’t remember where it goes and what it does and how to fix it if it hurts.
    However, Perry’s a RINO and not the guy who is going to shrink the size, cost and power of the US government. Neither is Romney, neither is Gingrich. Cain -might-, and Paul -might-, but Paul is a fruitloop. So that’s where we are with this IMHO.

  4. Seriously, they missed a golden opportunity. “Governor Perry forgot the Department of Energy, President Obama remembered 57 states. Let’s call it a draw”.

  5. This why primaries are a good thing.
    Better now than later. And while I remain open on the Cain issue….better now than later.
    Thinking back on the swift boat thing on Kerry. That was an old controversey, so I was always amazed that the Dems acted like it came out of nowhere. That the controversey never came up in their primary is one reason they were so unprepared.
    Personal flaws, pecidillos, controversies all should be highlighted to some degree during the primaries, along with ability to pivot, ability to defend ability to take and deliver a punch.
    Now whether the voters will listen is another matter. Did Hillary really pull out all of the stops during the primary with Obama…the Rev Wright thing did….kind of….but the media certainly didnt pick up on all of the flaws of Obama….and McCain and the GOP certainly treated him with Kid Gloves.
    Perry may have just self immolated, we will see. Remember, abiulity to recover is also being tested. Bachman, I think she is just waiting for an offer or to be humiliated in a primary and then get an offer. The field will narrow, choices will become clearer.
    As much as ideologues want this to be solely about policy we all know elections are about other things as well, some times more some times less.
    But all of this is why primaries, as long and painful as they are, are a good thing.

  7. I remember how everyone counted out McCain several times, and for better or worse he still got the nomination. Everyone is talking about Gingrich now coming in for a comeback, and they had counted him out when he stepped on it by going after Paul Ryan.
    Look, Perry had a brain freeze, and he is not a master debater. All the pundits who are connected to Bush will jump on him, all the Democrats will jump on him, all the Romney people will jump on him. Still this is a LONG way from a career ending gaffe.
    He’s still got a lot of friends, and the job growth in Texas is still a reality. I’m partial to him because I live in Texas and enjoy having a job. I’m partial to him because he’s not Romney.
    I wouldn’t count him out yet.

  10. He owned it, made fun of it. If Perry makes no big deal of it, this incident in itself it won’t hurt him.
    Bill Clinton is always given as an example of someone who’s comfortable in his own skin (his wife’s not so much). That helped him keep more support than he deserved.

  11. I actually felt sorry for the guy. At least he is honest.
    I wonder if this is going to be another potato moment?

  13. I’m dumb.
    And, so is Perry.
    Therefore, Perry’s OK.
    Is that really the argument I’m reading here?

  14. “Read Ann Coulter on Cain and Axelrod.”
    Ah yes, the latest conspiracy theory from Cain supporters, unsurprisingly gaining uncritical traction among SDA readers. After all, having hurled accusations at the Perry camp (without evidence), at Rahm Emmanuel (without evidence), and at Josh Kraushaar (without evidence), why not hurl some more accusations (without evidence) at Richard Daley and Sheila O’Grady and Sharon Bialek and David Axelrod…? Toss around enough s#it, eventually some of it’s gotta stick, right?
    Seriously, just ask yourself: cui bono?

  15. Davenport: Speaking about without evidence, still waiting to hear some real evidence regarding Cain.
    At least with Bubba we had some DNA on the dress…

  16. “Is that really the argument I’m reading here?”
    Yes and no. The argument you’re reading is really just a variation on the Anybody-But-Romney theme. First Trump, then Bachmann, then Palin, then Christie, and now Perry, and most recently Cain. Gingrich appears poised for the next temporary “grassroots” bump.
    Doesn’t matter. The Republican Party establishment — RINOs, in SDA parlance — has already (grudgingly) chosen Romney as their candidate, for the simple reason that he stands the best chance of winning a nation-wide, head-to-head race against Obama. And at the end of the day, barring some revelatory scandal or massive flame-out on Romney’s end, the establishment will get their man. Better a less-than-ideal candidate delivering a win than an ideal one delivering a concession speech.
    That Tea Partiers and their supporters think that they carry more influence over the direction of the Republican Party than do party elders is pure hubris. Tea Partiers are a reliable voting bloc, and they will be courted as such, but when push comes to shove, they’ll never be allowed — by their own handlers — to truly wield the reins of power. The US “democratic” political system doesn’t work that way.

  17. “Davenport: Speaking about without evidence, still waiting to hear some real evidence regarding Cain.”
    Fact: Herman Cain was accused on two separate occasions of sexual harassment while serving as CEO of the NRA in the late 1990s.
    Fact: In each case, the NRA arranged a financial settlement agreement that included a confidentiality clause.
    The Politico article that originally broke this story reported those two facts, which are both true, and nothing more (read it again for yourself). Neither those reporters, nor any other media outlet since, has claimed that Cain is guilty, which WOULD be without evidence; they’ve simply stated that he has been accused, which is unquestionably true (the only people saying Cain is guilty are, as expected, his actual accusers). And most of the ensuing media coverage has been focused on (and is a result of) the Cain campaign staff’s horribly mismanaged response to the allegations, rather than the allegations themselves — even Republican Party insiders agree on that much (nydailynews.com/news/politics/analysis-gop-bosses-knew-start-herman-cain-wasn-t-ready-prime-time-article-1.975265?localLinksEnabled=false).

  18. Davenport
    “The Republican Party establishment — RINOs, in SDA parlance — has already (grudgingly) chosen Romney as their candidate, for the simple reason that he stands the best chance of winning a nation-wide, head-to-head race against Obama.”
    Clarification…The Republican Party establishment — RINOs, in SDA parlance — has already (grudgingly) chosen Romney as their candidate, for the simple reason that he is the one nominated by the lefty media…as the guy Ali-Bama can beat.

  19. President Perry: General, you have my authorization to commence bombing of… um… uh… Iraq.
    General: Iraq, sir?
    PP: Sorry, no. Relay, er, belay, er, cancel that order. General, you have my authorization to commence bombing of… um… uh… Israel?
    General: Israel is an ally, sir.
    PP: India?
    General: No, sir, not India.
    PP: Italy?
    General: No, sir. That’s where the Pope lives.
    PP: Gotcha. Lotta Catholic-y voters in the CPAC. Can’t be bombin’ them. Let’s see. I- I- I- I- Iceland?
    General: No, sir. Iran, sir? Did you mean Iran, sir?
    PP: You got ‘er there, General ol’ buddy. Let’s drop somma them bomb thingies on Eye-ran. There the ones ‘at gave us Celine Dion, hay? Now, by bombin’ them Eye-ran-ans, will the explosion be big enough to take out Moscow? I would sure luv to take out Moscow, too.
    General: No, sir. They are not proximate to each other.
    PP: Blast it, General. No usin’ those high fallutin’ words. If yous mean they ain’t close, just says so. But ja sees how I made one a them puns by sayin’ “blast it”? Get it? We’re talkin’ about bombin’ and I said blast it. Get it?
    General: I got it, sir. Very funny, sir. Shall I proceed to give the order, sir?
    PP: Ya. Go ahead. [Pause.] Do the bombs come with them cameras on? I’d a luv to see the faces of those there Eye-ran-ans as we blow them to bits.
    General: No, sir. There are no cameras on the nuclear bombs. You are thinking of the smart bombs, sir.
    PP: Too bad. Say, why don’t we get some cameras on those nuclear bombs too? Can’t anyone think up smart stuff like that, ‘cept for me? What’s wrong with our learnin’? We got to get the Secretary of Learnin’ onto that. What’s his name, again?
    General: Education, sir? Did you mean Secretary of Education?
    PP: Education, Learnin’. You know what I mean. Don’t be givin’ me no guff. Ya, Secretary of Education. What’s his name?
    General: There is no Secretary or Department of Education, sir. Remember? You got rid of them when you came into office.
    PP: Righto. Forgot ’bout that. No need for no Department of Learnin’ anyway, is there?
    General: Clearly not, sir.

  20. “Clarification…The Republican Party establishment — RINOs, in SDA parlance — has already (grudgingly) chosen Romney as their candidate, for the simple reason that he is the one nominated by the lefty media…as the guy Ali-Bama can beat.”
    Reality begs to differ:
    – realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html
    – nytimes.com/interactive/2011/11/03/magazine/538-gdp-election-calculator.html?ref=magazine
    But please, keep drinking the SDA Kool-Aid, sasquatch — everything is always the lefty media’s/schools’/universities’/public service’s/Hollywood entertainment industry’s/insert-your-favourite-conservative-bete-noire-here’s fault.

  21. So, according to chesterfield, an accusation by itself is enough to disqualify a candidate seeking political office.
    No need for evidence, no need for a conviction, no need for discussion.
    The accusation itself is the atomic bomb.

  22. Excuse me for asking, but doesn’t the signing of a settlement agreement, the payment of $40,000+ and the requirement to keep quiet about it all constitute “evidence”, at least some tiny bit of evidence?
    These accusations didn’t “suddenly” come up as Cain is claiming. They came up 10-15 years ago. Just because we’re only finding out about them now doesn’t mean they “suddenly” came up.
    And all this conspiracy theory about the accusers (the many accusers’) and their connections to different partisan interests. What? Do they have spiritual powers of foresight? A decade ago, did they think “Hey, this Cain guy, you know, he might someday become huge in the restaurant business, and then someday after that he minght become a Republican Presidential candidate, and someday I might decide to work at some non-conservative organization, and, boy, if I accuse Cain about sexual harassment today (in 199-), wouldn’t I be doing a great thing. I might even get my name in the papers.”

  24. Sure it came up 10-15 years ago but there is sexual harassment and sexual harassment. It could be as simple as telling an off-colour joke. Such claims often tell more about the claimant than the accused perpetrator.

  25. BWYFW:
    What are the details of the settlement.
    What are the details of the alleged incidents.
    Are the women oversensitive to some harmless flirting?
    The only voluntary account of anything we know is Cain’s description of how he compared a woman’s height to his wife’s height?
    Is that a hanging offence?
    In any event, it’s so nice that a perfect person like you can state your uniformed opinion.

  26. Aren’t all those questions something Cain can answer? Whatever it was, he thought it was worth $40,000 plus. So it’s not nothing, even if it was a nuisance claim.
    In fact, if it was nothing but flirtation, it would seem to me that the most effective defence for him here would be for him to, I don’t know, actually say that, tell us what it was and dismiss it.
    Going after the so-called partisan interests of his accusers (his many accusers) TODAY for incidents he paid money to hush up many years ago, instead of talking about what actually got hushed up, seems a rather odd way of going about it.
    Perhaps if there was merely one sexual harrassment settlement agreement in which he agreed to pay over one whole year’s salary, I could understand the approach, a little bit. But when there is so much evidence? And he’s the only one preventing that evidence from being reported on? Puhlease.

  27. They sure are expensive “off-colour” jokes, though, if you believe all he did was compare a woman’s height to his wife’s height. And he must have told that same “joke” to more than one woman, if he thought he needed to pay a whole year’s salary to more than one, just to keep her quiet about it.
    Seriously, does that even make sense to you? That you would pay that much money for a slam dunk defence of a lawsuit?

  28. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
    Maybe the accusations arose from Cain not giving them what they wanted.

  29. BWYWF:
    Once again, where’s the evidence?
    A settlement has never implied an admission of anything … from either side of a dispute.
    One side claims something. The other side has their own version.
    Anybody not involved in the direct action and formulating an opinion based on scant facts is just gossiping.

  30. Just because WE don’t know what the evidence and facts are, doesn’t mean there isn’t any. That just stands to reason. You don’t fork over a whole year’s salary for nothing just because someone asked for it.
    And if that is what happened, as you suggest, then do you really want that guy in charge of the public purse ANYWHERE?
    But the fact of the settlement and the payment – sorry, settlements and payments – are evidence of something in and of themselves. You can’t – as many are doing – accuse them of having a partisan agenda in making the accusations since it was 10 to 15 years ago and brought by registered Republicans.
    But again, there is one sure way of clearing the air: waive the confidentiality requirement, Mr. Cain. Why aren’t you doing that?
    I wonder why he isn’t doing that. I wonder why he paid such a huge amount. I wonder why he repeated lied about it.
    Things that make you go hmmmm.

  31. The way I see it, the Republicans in the US are like the Liberals in Canada: trying desperately to find that one “saviour” of a leader who will bring them to glory, such that all faults must be ignored or dismissed and, if that can’t be done, go on the attack on the critics and blame everyone but yourself.
    I don’t know whether Cain is the best candidate or not. Got no skin in this game. But it sure is fun watching the scramble, the flip flops, the spin, the reversals, the invented principles… and that’s just from supporters!

  32. The way I see it, the Republicans in the US are like the Liberals in Canada: trying desperately to find that one “saviour” of a leader who will bring them to glory, such that all faults must be ignored or dismissed and, if that can’t be done, go on the attack on the critics and blame everyone but yourself.
    I don’t know whether Cain is the best candidate or not. Got no skin in this game.
    He seems to have a heck of a lot going for him as a candidate. And he seems to have a very and genuine harrassment problem. But heck, so did Billy C.
    But it sure is fun watching the scramble, the flip flops, the spin, the reversals, the invented principles… and that’s just from supporters!

  33. Phantom:
    I’ve been watching Ron Paul for years. I’ve never seen him “spazz” out on anything. Do you have any factual basis for calling him a “froot loop”?
    This isn’t the first time Perry’s looked like an idiot during debates. You would think he would prepare and be at the top of his game after his first failures. He clearly doesn’t think well on his feet. And, yes, I’d forgive a Reagan who was in his 70’s having a blank moment a lot quicker than I would a Perry in his 40’s.
    Meanwhile, Paul wins or comes second in every straw poll, and is ignored by the MSM. Recent on-line polls after debates are landslides for Paul, so the media organisations just take the polls down.
    I’d love to see Paul go up against Bambam in a debate. He’d mop the floor with the TOTUS.

  34. KevinB, I’m not an expert on the fruitloopyness of Ron Paul, but I’ve heard him say some foreign policy stuff that’s pretty out there. Plus he has a whole cult that follows him around, that’s not usually a good sign.
    However, if the media doesn’t like him he can’t be all bad.
    As for beating Barry, I think a gerbil could beat him this time. Remember 2008? Barry looked like frickin’ Mussolini and he spoke in pure talking-pointese that conveyed zero sensible information. He was rubbish in those debates.
    Sadly I think Davenport made a couple of good points above regarding the Republican party. If Americans want to really and truly shrink the size of government and reduce its control over what they do, the Republican party probably ain’t going to be the vehicle for getting it done. The Tea Party is going to end up either taking it over or crushing it underfoot.

  35. @ Phantom: we agree on some things buddy, but your opinion of fruit loop foreign policy is the wishes of many Americans. I am personally tired of these foreign adventures. I don’t want to carry a rifle in Iran, and I don’t want to be putting back together bullet ridden, burned and shrapnel filled young men in Iran either. To be quite honest the only dog we have in that fight is oil and I’m sure we can start figuring out other places to get it from.
    I agree with Ron Paul that it is time to scale back. Let Europe guard themselves – most of it is a socialist failure that doesn’t care about us anyway. We keep our commitments for South Korea and Israel, gently inform the rest of the Middle East that we have a nuke we’ll trade for Mecca if they dump one in New York, and any other attack will be met with a bombing and raid they won’t forget and then get out of all those places. Let them all fight each other to death I couldn’t care less – nation building in those places is no more than setting up dictators anyway.
    Sorry if that is not empathic, uncaring, or maybe naive but I’m done and so are a lot of other people. The founders were right when they warned about foreign entanglements and I don’t think anyone can easily argue that they were idiots.

  36. langmann said: “The founders were right when they warned about foreign entanglements and I don’t think anyone can easily argue that they were idiots.”
    Nope, they weren’t. But, they lived in a world where England was a six month sea voyage away.
    ICBMs can fly from wherever to America in 20 minutes. Diseases can be spread, airplanes can be flown into buildings etc.
    So one man’s foreign adventure is another man’s forward defense. I’ll grant that with freakazoid Obama or Wild BillyBob Clinton in the WH the picture does become quite blurred. Iraq and Afghanistan could have gone better as well, or at least much -shorter-.
    But that’s kinda the reason I can’t like Ron Paul. I don’t think he’s right about the taking the ball and going home. Its a mistake.

  37. Phantom:
    You miss the overall point. After WWII, the US was the only man left standing (we were sorta like Robin to their Batman). Like all empires, they provided protection for tribute (acceptance of the US$). Now, they’re being asked to provide protection but the tribute isn’t flowing. Paul’s right – the US can’t afford it, and the rest of the world’s grown up, so let them sort out their own messes instead of asking the US (and us) to pitch in with our money and blood. Just Agent Orange all the opium fields before we go.

  38. Two words Kevin. Nuclear Iran.
    The world is small. They don’t need a missile, just a shipping container. Kapow, sayonara NYC.
    Lets put it this way, even Canada is arming up. Its expensive and unpopular, and Harper isn’t making any friends with it. Why are we doing it?
    Because Ron Paul is wrong, that’s why.

  39. C’mon Phantom – sayonara NYC? Followed by, in very short order, vapourization of Tehran, Islamabad, Riyadh, etc. You have to believe that the US has very quietly put all those places on notice of exactly what will happen if a nuke goes off on US soil.
    Zerohedge posts a weekly update of the positioning of the various US fleets. The latest update is on today’s site. The 5th fleet alone has enough firepower to wipe Iran, Afghaniland, Pakistan, Saudi, Syria, Yemen, etc., off the map in less than a couple of hours.
    Plus, why are all those countries upset with the US? BECAUSE THE AMERICANS HAVE SOLDIERS AND BASES IN THEIR COUNTRIES. If the US goes home, end of irritant. And since President Paul would OK the Keystone XL, and allow more domestic exploration, soon the US wouldn’t need any Middle East oil. End Muslim immigration, and let them fight amongst themselves, a la Iraq/Iran. That Shia/Sunni schism is enough to keep their tiny brains occupied for decades.

  40. Perry’s gaffe wasn’t half as bad in the watching as it was in the description. The other candidates were even trying to help him along. It was that sleazebag moderator who had to twist the knife as if he had a duty to join in the selection process.
    I never thought Perry was a bright light, so it doesn’t alter my view of him. He’s not ready for prime time.
    As for the other issue, Hell hath no fury like a woman with a blank Title VII check in her back pocket. The law hasn’t empowered women. It’s enabled them to be hypersensitive, craven cowards, and liars.
    If anyone touched my genitals without permission, I’d be telling the story to the jury during my trial for murder. I wouldn’t wait until the groper ran for president before I told anyone.

  41. POWinCA: They didn’t. They told people right away 10 to 15 years ago. Cain paid them each a big sum of money to hush it up. And we haven’t heard about it since. Until now, when it is relevant. And we weren’t hearing it from them, but from other people involved. And then, once those OLD claims came out, others (who had decided to just move on years ago when he did it to them too) say ‘hey, I wasn’t the only one. This guy really is a creep. And he wants to be MY president?’ Same thing happens when someone gets charged with rape or pedophilia. Once it’s public, all the others who were quiet about it start to come forward.
    But go on and blame the women for Cain’s misdoings. I’m sure that doesn’t re-inforce any stereotypes of male behaviour.

  42. blank moment a lot quicker than I would a Perry in his 40’s.
    Perry is 61, and if anyone here can say they have never forgotten a name on occasion then they are the exception, and not the rule. Now whether this “gaffe” means he’s toast – who knows. However it can’t be any worse than Obama’s 57 states, or asthmatic kids needing a breathalyzer……

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