Rahm on Tucson Shooting: We Shouldn’t Exploit This Crisis
From a link off of the same page http://tinyurl.com/4fpn85g
Gee, it’s almost as though the Leftists are once again surprised that their shortsighted policies have negative unforseen effects.
Maybe if they had a moral compass like the rest of us do, they wouldn’t be stepping on their d1cks so often in their attempts to engineer society in the wrong direction.
It amazes me the amount of money that is spent on politics. Maybe if they got half as much they would think before speaking or acting.
Me? If I had death threats I would want a Republican Sheriff. I cannot believe there wasn’t a cop available. What with all the inflammatory rhetoric and death threats and all. He must have been out fundraising or something.
Speedy>
“I cannot believe there wasn’t a cop available”
I cannot believe that in the “evil gun toting state of Arizona” that there was not one armed individual in the crowd to stop this guy!
And you expected something different?
The poor young guy is a paranoid schizophrenic. It’s a tragedy that so many died and were injured, and also a tragedy for his family that they effectively lost a son (how long ago I don’t know).
Sounds like there was lots of warning signs, and instead of having a frank discussion about mental illness and how we can prevent tragedies (read Greyhound Bus event in Canada), it becomes a political football.
The left never fail to sink to new lows.
Agreed Erik. If you have the stomach for it, check out the particularly bilious threads at The Guardian.
The descriptions offered of the young man are those of someone descending into schizophrenia. He should have been helped long before this event, and whereas I’m not a big fan of restrictive gun control, he’s someone who clearly should not have been allowed to possess firearms.
An education of members of society into the signs of schizophrenia, its implications (usually non-violent) and its appropriate management are long overdue.
Dr D, agree with you esp re the gun statement.
I can’t do the Guardian, sorry man – I’m still recovering from having spent time on Huff Po, trying the redeem the lost. (No luck).
Oh that explains it he was writing from “Tombstone”, Arizona…
Cheers
Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
I’m with you, Erik; at this point, if I look at The Guardian, my computer’s liable to go through the window. (You’re like a missionary with this HuffPo thing. D’you know that Livingstone didn’t make one verified conversion that stuck? Of course he did discover Victoria Falls, which you won’t, on HuffPo.)
The fun thing about Bernie is that he thinks he’s the good guy.
Speedy: “I cannot believe there wasn’t a cop available.”
The Sheriff’s a Democrat, right? I’ll bet he didn’t think there was any real danger of right-wing mayhem — ‘happy, though, to use this meme to get himself off a particularly prickly hook — and seeing as leftards live in a world of magical thinking, even though his department knew that Loughner was some kind of threat to the public, his progressive, permissive brain wouldn’t want to jump to any conclusions about this totally deranged young man, would it?
Maybe, like up here, even if someone’s a genuine threat to those around him, he actually has to threaten or kill someone to get the law’s attention.
knight 99;
“I cannot believe that in the “evil gun toting state of Arizona” that there was not one armed individual in the crowd to stop this guy!”
(“Democratic event”. Why would a evil gun toting Arizonan be there?)
Yes,
In agreement with the above.
And where was that smart mouth democrat,
know it all Sheriff,
when someone needed him for protection,
where were his deputies?
Sounds like he is trying to cover his own ass.
And Mrs Palin has released a video response to the entire thing.
Pure class. Folks like Tarek Fatah, Olby, Matthews, Huffington, Kos etc are not even fit to say her name.
Head on over to HotAir for the vid for those other five folks not on facebook.
And Mrs Palin has released a video response to the entire thing.
Pure class. Folks like Tarek Fatah, Olby, Matthews, Huffington, Kos etc are not even fit to say her name.
Head on over to HotAir for the vid for those other five folks not on facebook.
Knight 99, actually, because I watch Fox News, rather than the lame stream media, I found out that, apparently, there was someone with a gun: he was one of the men, who tackled Jared L. I believe his name is Roger Salzgeber.
This young hero said that he and his mom had just had breakfast together and then, while his mom went into another store, he decided to buy some cigarettes. He said he regrets that because, while he was in the store, he heard the shots.
He had a gun, but by the time he got outside, it was too late to stop the carnage—though he did help tackle Jared and hold him down.
Along with many others, I believe that the most important question now is, “What does society need to do about people like Loughner?” In Canada, our Charter and a host of other regulations altogether—and, at times, ridiculously—protect the “rights” of even the most disturbed and criminal of citizens to remain at large until AFTER they do something dreadful: no matter how seemingly deranged or potentially dangerous (Loughner, Nidal Hasan), their rights seem to trump those of everyone else, especially if they belong, like Hasan does, to a “protected” group.
(I can tell you, schools shy away from seriously disciplining just about anyone for fear of legal repercussions: even a teacher holding a student’s wrist to restrain him/her is considered an assault. As someone has pointed out, in Canada, who’s to say that the heroes who held Loughner down wouldn’t be charged with using “excessive force”? This kind of scrupulosity—in favour of the dangerous/deranged citizen with no concern for the rights of potential victims—has got to be faced and fixed . . . I guess I can dream.)
Knight99 said: “I cannot believe that in the “evil gun toting state of Arizona” that there was not one armed individual in the crowd to stop this guy!”
As Cal said, DemocRat event = gun free zone. Probably some survivors re-thinking that plan.
However, as it happens there WAS a guy on the spot. Check it: //online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703779704576073921275131528.html
“Mr. Zamudio, who works at a Tucson art gallery, was at a nearby Walgreen’s buying cigarettes when he heard the shots and immediately turned and ran toward the commotion. “In that moment, I didn’t think about it. I just reacted.”
He saw the blank face of the suspected shooter—”almost a smirk.”
By the time Mr. Zamudio was in close range, others had wrestled the suspect to the ground. Mr. Zamudio helped hold him down.”
Hopefully Mr. Zamudio helped hold him down by jamming that pistol in Laughner’s ear and whispering “go ahead, make my day”.
The tone of the WSJ article is interesting, worth a bit of analysis on its own. Disapproval and approval both at the same time. Journalists are not entirely sane, I think.
I’m not sure another gun would have made a difference. He was stopped by a woman while reloading. There was a young guy with a gun close. He slipped off the safety but kept the gun in his jacket so he would not be shot. Took on the bystander with the gun. He did not shoot and you could tell he was glad he didn’t. He would have shot the wrong guy.
I’m not sure how long it takes to empty a 30 shot clip but I’d think not long. Shock value would delay response.
Here’s a link to Sarah Palin’s eloquent and intelligent statement about the Tucson tragedy, which thoroughly, and graciously puts the subsequent mischief of the Left in its place: http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=487510653434
(I wonder if the David Frums of this world will ever find the grace to acknowledge anything of worth on Mrs. Palin’s part. Their moral “pygmyism” makes Sarah Palin look like a giant. Suck it up, boys!)
The Phantom is correct about the name of the young man I described @ 9:29: he’s Joe Zamudio, not Roger Salzgeber (who was one of the men who also tackled and held Loughner down).
Why isn’t the police chief being grilled over the allegations that the shooter had made previous death threats, how many death threats are enough? Well in this case he got a free pass to slaughter people. Why wasn’t he charged with uttering death threats, and why isn’t MSM asking that question to the Sheriff???
I think people have to give up the idea that its possible to predict the actions of the insane. Society and government can’t control that, not even in a prison environment. Ask a cop or a prison guard some time. Its just not possible.
All you can do is make reasonable personal precautions, such as carrying a gun and keeping your eyes open. Be a hard target, not a plump juicy bunny.
On the bright side, you’re -much- more likely to be struck by lightning than be shot to death in one of these insane mass atrocities. That right there is a statistical fact my friends, one that you’ll not be seeing much of this week.
An excerpt from Bernie Sanders’ email appeal:
“Another Democratic elected official in Arizona, recently defeated Congressman Harry Mitchell, suspended town meetings in his district because of the threatening phone calls that he received (Mitchell was also in the cross-hairs on the Palin map).”
Harry Mitchell in the cross-hairs? Oh, the delicious irony of it all – check out this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqB4tyvxWKA
D’oh! Lookout, I just read that whole statement of Palin’s, she accuses the media of BLOOD LIBEL! Its AWESOME!!!
//phantomsoapbox.blogspot.com/2011/01/sarah-palin-returns-media-fire.html
Here’s an excellent column by Allan Guezlo in the National Review. http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/256921/climate-hate-allen-c-guelzo?page=1
“Once the shock of the Giffords assassination attempt had worn off, the next-most-amazing thing we beheld was the unembarrassed gloating with which the American Left, in its many forms, pointed a pompous and hysterical finger at “the Tea Party” or “the Right” or “talk-show hosts” (although the accusers clearly don’t have Terry Gross in mind). Less than 24 hours after the shooting that nearly killed Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, we had heard from The New Yorker’s George Packer, the New York Times’s Paul Krugman, and the sheriff of Pima County, all solemnly intoning their belief that Jared Loughner had been in some way led to his crime by a lethal cabal of Rupert Murdoch, Sarah Palin, and the Republican party. Even Patricia Maisch, one of the three citizens who subdued Loughner, could not end her interview with Shepard Smith on Fox News without confidently — and gratuitously — blaming the whole incident on “extreme right-wing reporters.”
But despite their best efforts, the left could find no evidence of any contact, any link, between the voices and people ‘on the right’ and Loughner.
“In effect, the denouncers of “hate” had been roaring ahead entirely on hate fuel of their own. By the time we had passed the 48-hour mark, the absence of any connections between Loughner and any co-dependents on the Right hung the accusers in midair, spinning their wheels like Wile E. Coyote. That, however, only signaled a shift from blaming conservatives to blaming a “climate” of opinion in which homicidal rampages are encouraged to happen spontaneously, like oily rags self-combusting”.
And as we’ve seen in Michelle Malkin’s collection of ‘the left and hate’, we have plenty of examples of the left actually urging attacks on and the assassination of Palin, of Bush, of any and all who have different opinions.
Oh and what about the Democratic Congressman, Paul Kanjorski, who during the November election campaign, suggested that the new Florida governor, a GOP, be “put against the wall and shoot him”. How’s that for a ‘climate of tolerance’? Goes well with Obama’s exhortations to hispanics to vote against ‘their enemies’ (anyone who rejects illegal ‘immigration’); and so on.
Another partisan zombie who wants to escalate the culture war into a street fight.
Black Mamba – I could write a long essay about my time on the Huff Post. I think of myself as writing in a polite and kind nature, but the vitriol to which I’m exposed is surprising. As you say, the left views themselves as the kind counterpoint to evil conservatives – but believe me the bilious rage there is somewhat alarming, if we need to talk “rhetoric”. Cheers!
Over at “Here’s a partial list of some of the incidents the left has tried to pin on conservatives” (SDA, Jan. 11/11), gray writes, “I never read [anything] anywhere linking Time[s] Square and [sic] Fort Hood to conservatives”. (That should be “or” Fort Hood.)
H/She just happens to be wrong. I guess that’s because this person doesn’t know how to do a Google search. In the last few days—at the very thread gray posted on!—there was documentation of a score of criminal actions pinned, falsely, on the right.
Fort Hood: as the Muslim perpetrator was, earlier, on YouTube in Muslim gear, openly associated with a terrorist, and shouted “Allahu Akbar” as he shot and killed a large number of people, no, he wasn’t accused of being a conservative. (Can gray possibly think why not?) BUT, the usual suspects on the left—POTUS, included—warned us “not to jump to conclusions”.
After the Times Square incident, Mayor Bloomberg, a Democrat, did jump to conclusions. While altogether ignoring the possibility of Islam having anything to do with a crime committed by a Pakistani-American with the name, Faisal Shahzad, Bloomberg said, “Homegrown [suspect], maybe a mentally deranged person or someone with a political agenda that doesn’t like the health care bill or something. It could be anything.” (“Anything?” What on earth is Bloomberg talking about?)
Let’s look at another, false “blame the right” incident: Via Michelle Malkin:
“Another day, another left-wing rush to Fox-bashing, right-wing demonizing judgment…As you may have heard, a Muslim cabbie was stabbed in a terrible incident in NYC today [August 25, 2010).
“The reportedly drunk perpetrator worked/volunteered for a liberal interfaith film company and there is zero evidence that he is a Fox News fan, Glenn Beck listener, Republican voter, or conservative blog reader.
“No matter. The left-wing media couldn’t wait to indict the Right.
“University of Michigan professor Juan Cole headlines his screed: Republican National Committee Slashes New York Muslim Cabbie.
“The Village Voice asked hopefully before providing grudging updates: Was the Muslim Cab Driver Slashing the First ‘Ground Zero Mosque’ Hate Crime?”
’Just another day in the left-wing’s “Hateful Fabrication Factory”.
It’s quite clear that lefties don’t think: FACTS mean nothing to them. In order to skewer conservatives, they make preposterous and easily repudiated claims all the time. As we’re on to them now, I don’t believe that’s going to be a winning strategy. It also makes them look very stupid. Good!
I’m iffy on Sarah Palin as a presidential candidate, but I have to say that is one BRILLIANT speech — got it off Drudge first thing this morning. She handled the disgusting “right wing vitriol” smear in an exceedingly deft manner, eschewing all vitriol and political point-scoring. Her phrase “blood libel” is entirely accurate here: not hyperbole.
As someone mentioned on another thread, it really is amazing how suddenly and “spontaneously” the right wing vitriol (TM) narrative developed, trumping the usual knee-jerk gun-control narrative, which, while present, is in a subordinate role this time.
This propaganda is worthy of the very finest on offer in the former Soviet Union, thanks to our interpid modern-day Lenin, G Soros.
There’s a brilliant marketing tie-in happening here with rumours of a new “fairness doctrine”, Assange/wikileaks, FCC internet-hijacking, Obama-proposed “internet ID”.
Yes, Sarah Palin’s address was A-1.
It was also very clever of her to pre-empt HRH Obama’s performance tonight in Arizona. Palin’s message and delivery were dignified, elegant, intelligent, and truthful: quite the act for Obama to follow.
And, if Obama should even come close to Palin’s dignity and truthfulness —he’ll be pretending, if he does—he might just be seen as a plagiarist. Sweet.
BRAVA, Sarah!
‘“Homegrown [suspect], maybe a mentally deranged person or someone with a political agenda that doesn’t like the health care bill or something. It could be anything.” (“Anything?” What on earth is Bloomberg talking about?)’
Thanks lookout, I was too lazy to look for myself, but I did take time to say this to gray(although I spelled gray wrong):
“right out the gate GREY conservatives were accused of the Fort Hood shooting. Before any facts were released.
It seems Alzheimer has taken you.”~me
I’ve taken the liberty of cross posting your comments to the aforementioned thread in case ‘gray’ chooses to stop-by.
Many thanks, Spindiana. I appreciate that.
BTW, I really like your new name—and was glad to learn that it was still you, and not an impostor!
me no d
The more conservatives tell SP she can’t win, the more I’m optimistic about her chances. My advise to Americans is this: let not the MSM pick your Republican candidate again. Think for yourself! Do not again let others (friend or foe) tell you who can and who can not win the 2012 election. That is up to you!
Unlike most, I will reserve my political predictions for SP’s future until she’s had the opportunity to debate the issues with her competition. She may very well be 2012’s Seahawk. One thing is certain though, the closer to the election we get, the more adamant SP’s detractors will be that she has no chance.
If Sarah Palin was a football player, she’d be Marshawn Lynch , and her detractors would be the Saints defense.
btw, #22 is Barak Obama
‘Move B@tch, get out the way’~Ludicrous
“As you can see, there’s a b@itch in his way (BO), that he needs her to move.”
I hope that tutorial works RobW
How come the Left doesn’t recognize their own vicious hatred toward anyone who disagrees with them?
It’s because they’re so steeped in hate they don’t recognize it, just like after a few minutes in a cow barn, you stop smelling the sh1t.
Totally gross. And hey, would you look at that… so is the TeaParty: http://www.sacbee.com/2011/01/12/3317364/tea-party-joins-fray-in-exploiting.html
As for Palin’s speech, not sure if you guys watched the same thing, but comparing herself to victims of the Holocaust isn’t sitting well. By all means though… run this candidate. You will practically guarantee Obama another 4 years.
(You may now talk about how you’re going to run out and buy ammo, and how this isn’t in any way violent)
John, shut up.
Cross-posted at Ezra Levant’s blog:
The problem with the Left is that they HATE debate, because they have nothing to bring to a genuine debate but their twisted logic and vitriolic rhetoric. For the past 25 to 30 years, there’s been no real political debate in Canada, largely because the political Left and their toadies in the media believe that their viewpoints are self-evident truth and anyone who brings an opposing opinion to the table is just a reactionary, red-neck, yahoo, not worth their time or consideration.
It’s their breathtaking arrogance that fuels the “vitriolic rhetoric,” much or most of it coming from THEIR commentators, and one of the main reasons there needs to be a Tea Party in the U.S. (I wish we had one). When a large segment of the population is marginalized by the Left’s jettisoning them to the sidelines, ridiculing them, and making sure there’s no place for them at the media “round table” (theirs is a square, with room for only four), it shouldn’t come as a surprise that a lot of these folks, voters all, would organize to be heard. This is called “the democratic process,” and isn’t it interesting, and disgusting, to see the Leftards get out the garlic to try and ward off the rabble? The Left is anti-democracy, pro-Leftist hegemony. As they see the public turning away from their over-controlling, bankrupting, form of governance, they’re scared ****less and it seems they’ll do and say anything to discredit these new forces of democracy.
In a nutshell, the Dems/Left are poor losers.
Your Lefty friends are the ones you should be worried about John. Every time somebody gets shot, its one of you losers pulled the trigger.
Sarah Palin is 100% accurate in her use of the term ” a blood libel”, as it happens. She used it in the generic sense of accusing people of causing murder who have done nothing and were not involved. This usage is distinct from reference to -The- Blood Libel, that being the lie used to justify persecution of the Jews for hundreds of years.
But then, you knew that. Making you just another lying, scheming, hate filled Lefty troll. November hurt, eh? Wait until you see what happens to you fools here in Canada. The election of Rob Ford says y’all are going to get -slaughtered- like halal goats.
n1 phantom
John>
“You may now talk about how you’re going to run out and buy ammo”
He he he, I don’t think you need to worry about that anymore “John”. After all the rhetoric by your ilk in the last attempt of gun grabbing, there are more guns and ammo buried and hidden around the US than was used in WW2. You pathetic idealists have ensured that regardless of any bans or restrictions of any kind, small arms and ammo will be available to anyone with a little cash for many decades to come. Every time you open your yaps about it, more and more of this hoarding occurs, yet like with anything you cannot comprehend the real life consequences of your actions.
You are your own worst enemy.
Pure class.
Never waste a tragedy, as they say.
What an unbelievably sick human being.
Rahm on Tucson Shooting: We Shouldn’t Exploit This Crisis
From a link off of the same page
http://tinyurl.com/4fpn85g
Gee, it’s almost as though the Leftists are once again surprised that their shortsighted policies have negative unforseen effects.
Maybe if they had a moral compass like the rest of us do, they wouldn’t be stepping on their d1cks so often in their attempts to engineer society in the wrong direction.
It amazes me the amount of money that is spent on politics. Maybe if they got half as much they would think before speaking or acting.
Me? If I had death threats I would want a Republican Sheriff. I cannot believe there wasn’t a cop available. What with all the inflammatory rhetoric and death threats and all. He must have been out fundraising or something.
Speedy>
“I cannot believe there wasn’t a cop available”
I cannot believe that in the “evil gun toting state of Arizona” that there was not one armed individual in the crowd to stop this guy!
And you expected something different?
The poor young guy is a paranoid schizophrenic. It’s a tragedy that so many died and were injured, and also a tragedy for his family that they effectively lost a son (how long ago I don’t know).
Sounds like there was lots of warning signs, and instead of having a frank discussion about mental illness and how we can prevent tragedies (read Greyhound Bus event in Canada), it becomes a political football.
The left never fail to sink to new lows.
Agreed Erik. If you have the stomach for it, check out the particularly bilious threads at The Guardian.
The descriptions offered of the young man are those of someone descending into schizophrenia. He should have been helped long before this event, and whereas I’m not a big fan of restrictive gun control, he’s someone who clearly should not have been allowed to possess firearms.
An education of members of society into the signs of schizophrenia, its implications (usually non-violent) and its appropriate management are long overdue.
Dr D, agree with you esp re the gun statement.
I can’t do the Guardian, sorry man – I’m still recovering from having spent time on Huff Po, trying the redeem the lost. (No luck).
Oh that explains it he was writing from “Tombstone”, Arizona…
Cheers
Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
I’m with you, Erik; at this point, if I look at The Guardian, my computer’s liable to go through the window. (You’re like a missionary with this HuffPo thing. D’you know that Livingstone didn’t make one verified conversion that stuck? Of course he did discover Victoria Falls, which you won’t, on HuffPo.)
The fun thing about Bernie is that he thinks he’s the good guy.
Speedy: “I cannot believe there wasn’t a cop available.”
The Sheriff’s a Democrat, right? I’ll bet he didn’t think there was any real danger of right-wing mayhem — ‘happy, though, to use this meme to get himself off a particularly prickly hook — and seeing as leftards live in a world of magical thinking, even though his department knew that Loughner was some kind of threat to the public, his progressive, permissive brain wouldn’t want to jump to any conclusions about this totally deranged young man, would it?
Maybe, like up here, even if someone’s a genuine threat to those around him, he actually has to threaten or kill someone to get the law’s attention.
knight 99;
“I cannot believe that in the “evil gun toting state of Arizona” that there was not one armed individual in the crowd to stop this guy!”
(“Democratic event”. Why would a evil gun toting Arizonan be there?)
Yes,
In agreement with the above.
And where was that smart mouth democrat,
know it all Sheriff,
when someone needed him for protection,
where were his deputies?
Sounds like he is trying to cover his own ass.
And Mrs Palin has released a video response to the entire thing.
Pure class. Folks like Tarek Fatah, Olby, Matthews, Huffington, Kos etc are not even fit to say her name.
Head on over to HotAir for the vid for those other five folks not on facebook.
And Mrs Palin has released a video response to the entire thing.
Pure class. Folks like Tarek Fatah, Olby, Matthews, Huffington, Kos etc are not even fit to say her name.
Head on over to HotAir for the vid for those other five folks not on facebook.
Knight 99, actually, because I watch Fox News, rather than the lame stream media, I found out that, apparently, there was someone with a gun: he was one of the men, who tackled Jared L. I believe his name is Roger Salzgeber.
This young hero said that he and his mom had just had breakfast together and then, while his mom went into another store, he decided to buy some cigarettes. He said he regrets that because, while he was in the store, he heard the shots.
He had a gun, but by the time he got outside, it was too late to stop the carnage—though he did help tackle Jared and hold him down.
Along with many others, I believe that the most important question now is, “What does society need to do about people like Loughner?” In Canada, our Charter and a host of other regulations altogether—and, at times, ridiculously—protect the “rights” of even the most disturbed and criminal of citizens to remain at large until AFTER they do something dreadful: no matter how seemingly deranged or potentially dangerous (Loughner, Nidal Hasan), their rights seem to trump those of everyone else, especially if they belong, like Hasan does, to a “protected” group.
(I can tell you, schools shy away from seriously disciplining just about anyone for fear of legal repercussions: even a teacher holding a student’s wrist to restrain him/her is considered an assault. As someone has pointed out, in Canada, who’s to say that the heroes who held Loughner down wouldn’t be charged with using “excessive force”? This kind of scrupulosity—in favour of the dangerous/deranged citizen with no concern for the rights of potential victims—has got to be faced and fixed . . . I guess I can dream.)
Knight99 said: “I cannot believe that in the “evil gun toting state of Arizona” that there was not one armed individual in the crowd to stop this guy!”
As Cal said, DemocRat event = gun free zone. Probably some survivors re-thinking that plan.
However, as it happens there WAS a guy on the spot. Check it: //online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703779704576073921275131528.html
“Mr. Zamudio, who works at a Tucson art gallery, was at a nearby Walgreen’s buying cigarettes when he heard the shots and immediately turned and ran toward the commotion. “In that moment, I didn’t think about it. I just reacted.”
He saw the blank face of the suspected shooter—”almost a smirk.”
By the time Mr. Zamudio was in close range, others had wrestled the suspect to the ground. Mr. Zamudio helped hold him down.”
Hopefully Mr. Zamudio helped hold him down by jamming that pistol in Laughner’s ear and whispering “go ahead, make my day”.
The tone of the WSJ article is interesting, worth a bit of analysis on its own. Disapproval and approval both at the same time. Journalists are not entirely sane, I think.
I’m not sure another gun would have made a difference. He was stopped by a woman while reloading. There was a young guy with a gun close. He slipped off the safety but kept the gun in his jacket so he would not be shot. Took on the bystander with the gun. He did not shoot and you could tell he was glad he didn’t. He would have shot the wrong guy.
I’m not sure how long it takes to empty a 30 shot clip but I’d think not long. Shock value would delay response.
Here’s a link to Sarah Palin’s eloquent and intelligent statement about the Tucson tragedy, which thoroughly, and graciously puts the subsequent mischief of the Left in its place:
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=487510653434
(I wonder if the David Frums of this world will ever find the grace to acknowledge anything of worth on Mrs. Palin’s part. Their moral “pygmyism” makes Sarah Palin look like a giant. Suck it up, boys!)
The Phantom is correct about the name of the young man I described @ 9:29: he’s Joe Zamudio, not Roger Salzgeber (who was one of the men who also tackled and held Loughner down).
Why isn’t the police chief being grilled over the allegations that the shooter had made previous death threats, how many death threats are enough? Well in this case he got a free pass to slaughter people. Why wasn’t he charged with uttering death threats, and why isn’t MSM asking that question to the Sheriff???
I think people have to give up the idea that its possible to predict the actions of the insane. Society and government can’t control that, not even in a prison environment. Ask a cop or a prison guard some time. Its just not possible.
All you can do is make reasonable personal precautions, such as carrying a gun and keeping your eyes open. Be a hard target, not a plump juicy bunny.
On the bright side, you’re -much- more likely to be struck by lightning than be shot to death in one of these insane mass atrocities. That right there is a statistical fact my friends, one that you’ll not be seeing much of this week.
An excerpt from Bernie Sanders’ email appeal:
“Another Democratic elected official in Arizona, recently defeated Congressman Harry Mitchell, suspended town meetings in his district because of the threatening phone calls that he received (Mitchell was also in the cross-hairs on the Palin map).”
Harry Mitchell in the cross-hairs? Oh, the delicious irony of it all – check out this clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqB4tyvxWKA
D’oh! Lookout, I just read that whole statement of Palin’s, she accuses the media of BLOOD LIBEL! Its AWESOME!!!
//phantomsoapbox.blogspot.com/2011/01/sarah-palin-returns-media-fire.html
Here’s an excellent column by Allan Guezlo in the National Review.
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/256921/climate-hate-allen-c-guelzo?page=1
“Once the shock of the Giffords assassination attempt had worn off, the next-most-amazing thing we beheld was the unembarrassed gloating with which the American Left, in its many forms, pointed a pompous and hysterical finger at “the Tea Party” or “the Right” or “talk-show hosts” (although the accusers clearly don’t have Terry Gross in mind). Less than 24 hours after the shooting that nearly killed Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, we had heard from The New Yorker’s George Packer, the New York Times’s Paul Krugman, and the sheriff of Pima County, all solemnly intoning their belief that Jared Loughner had been in some way led to his crime by a lethal cabal of Rupert Murdoch, Sarah Palin, and the Republican party. Even Patricia Maisch, one of the three citizens who subdued Loughner, could not end her interview with Shepard Smith on Fox News without confidently — and gratuitously — blaming the whole incident on “extreme right-wing reporters.”
But despite their best efforts, the left could find no evidence of any contact, any link, between the voices and people ‘on the right’ and Loughner.
“In effect, the denouncers of “hate” had been roaring ahead entirely on hate fuel of their own. By the time we had passed the 48-hour mark, the absence of any connections between Loughner and any co-dependents on the Right hung the accusers in midair, spinning their wheels like Wile E. Coyote. That, however, only signaled a shift from blaming conservatives to blaming a “climate” of opinion in which homicidal rampages are encouraged to happen spontaneously, like oily rags self-combusting”.
And as we’ve seen in Michelle Malkin’s collection of ‘the left and hate’, we have plenty of examples of the left actually urging attacks on and the assassination of Palin, of Bush, of any and all who have different opinions.
Oh and what about the Democratic Congressman, Paul Kanjorski, who during the November election campaign, suggested that the new Florida governor, a GOP, be “put against the wall and shoot him”. How’s that for a ‘climate of tolerance’? Goes well with Obama’s exhortations to hispanics to vote against ‘their enemies’ (anyone who rejects illegal ‘immigration’); and so on.
Another partisan zombie who wants to escalate the culture war into a street fight.
Black Mamba – I could write a long essay about my time on the Huff Post. I think of myself as writing in a polite and kind nature, but the vitriol to which I’m exposed is surprising. As you say, the left views themselves as the kind counterpoint to evil conservatives – but believe me the bilious rage there is somewhat alarming, if we need to talk “rhetoric”. Cheers!
Over at “Here’s a partial list of some of the incidents the left has tried to pin on conservatives” (SDA, Jan. 11/11), gray writes, “I never read [anything] anywhere linking Time[s] Square and [sic] Fort Hood to conservatives”. (That should be “or” Fort Hood.)
H/She just happens to be wrong. I guess that’s because this person doesn’t know how to do a Google search. In the last few days—at the very thread gray posted on!—there was documentation of a score of criminal actions pinned, falsely, on the right.
Fort Hood: as the Muslim perpetrator was, earlier, on YouTube in Muslim gear, openly associated with a terrorist, and shouted “Allahu Akbar” as he shot and killed a large number of people, no, he wasn’t accused of being a conservative. (Can gray possibly think why not?) BUT, the usual suspects on the left—POTUS, included—warned us “not to jump to conclusions”.
After the Times Square incident, Mayor Bloomberg, a Democrat, did jump to conclusions. While altogether ignoring the possibility of Islam having anything to do with a crime committed by a Pakistani-American with the name, Faisal Shahzad, Bloomberg said, “Homegrown [suspect], maybe a mentally deranged person or someone with a political agenda that doesn’t like the health care bill or something. It could be anything.” (“Anything?” What on earth is Bloomberg talking about?)
Let’s look at another, false “blame the right” incident: Via Michelle Malkin:
“Another day, another left-wing rush to Fox-bashing, right-wing demonizing judgment…As you may have heard, a Muslim cabbie was stabbed in a terrible incident in NYC today [August 25, 2010).
“The reportedly drunk perpetrator worked/volunteered for a liberal interfaith film company and there is zero evidence that he is a Fox News fan, Glenn Beck listener, Republican voter, or conservative blog reader.
“No matter. The left-wing media couldn’t wait to indict the Right.
“University of Michigan professor Juan Cole headlines his screed: Republican National Committee Slashes New York Muslim Cabbie.
“The Village Voice asked hopefully before providing grudging updates: Was the Muslim Cab Driver Slashing the First ‘Ground Zero Mosque’ Hate Crime?”
’Just another day in the left-wing’s “Hateful Fabrication Factory”.
It’s quite clear that lefties don’t think: FACTS mean nothing to them. In order to skewer conservatives, they make preposterous and easily repudiated claims all the time. As we’re on to them now, I don’t believe that’s going to be a winning strategy. It also makes them look very stupid. Good!
I’m iffy on Sarah Palin as a presidential candidate, but I have to say that is one BRILLIANT speech — got it off Drudge first thing this morning. She handled the disgusting “right wing vitriol” smear in an exceedingly deft manner, eschewing all vitriol and political point-scoring. Her phrase “blood libel” is entirely accurate here: not hyperbole.
As someone mentioned on another thread, it really is amazing how suddenly and “spontaneously” the right wing vitriol (TM) narrative developed, trumping the usual knee-jerk gun-control narrative, which, while present, is in a subordinate role this time.
This propaganda is worthy of the very finest on offer in the former Soviet Union, thanks to our interpid modern-day Lenin, G Soros.
There’s a brilliant marketing tie-in happening here with rumours of a new “fairness doctrine”, Assange/wikileaks, FCC internet-hijacking, Obama-proposed “internet ID”.
Yes, Sarah Palin’s address was A-1.
It was also very clever of her to pre-empt HRH Obama’s performance tonight in Arizona. Palin’s message and delivery were dignified, elegant, intelligent, and truthful: quite the act for Obama to follow.
And, if Obama should even come close to Palin’s dignity and truthfulness —he’ll be pretending, if he does—he might just be seen as a plagiarist. Sweet.
BRAVA, Sarah!
‘“Homegrown [suspect], maybe a mentally deranged person or someone with a political agenda that doesn’t like the health care bill or something. It could be anything.” (“Anything?” What on earth is Bloomberg talking about?)’
Thanks lookout, I was too lazy to look for myself, but I did take time to say this to gray(although I spelled gray wrong):
“right out the gate GREY conservatives were accused of the Fort Hood shooting. Before any facts were released.
It seems Alzheimer has taken you.”~me
I’ve taken the liberty of cross posting your comments to the aforementioned thread in case ‘gray’ chooses to stop-by.
Many thanks, Spindiana. I appreciate that.
BTW, I really like your new name—and was glad to learn that it was still you, and not an impostor!
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The more conservatives tell SP she can’t win, the more I’m optimistic about her chances. My advise to Americans is this: let not the MSM pick your Republican candidate again. Think for yourself! Do not again let others (friend or foe) tell you who can and who can not win the 2012 election. That is up to you!
Unlike most, I will reserve my political predictions for SP’s future until she’s had the opportunity to debate the issues with her competition. She may very well be 2012’s Seahawk. One thing is certain though, the closer to the election we get, the more adamant SP’s detractors will be that she has no chance.
If Sarah Palin was a football player, she’d be Marshawn Lynch , and her detractors would be the Saints defense.
btw, #22 is Barak Obama
‘Move B@tch, get out the way’~Ludicrous
“As you can see, there’s a b@itch in his way (BO), that he needs her to move.”
I hope that tutorial works RobW
It just gets better and better:
“BOTTOM LINE: Sarah Palin, once again, has found a way to become part of the story.”
How come the Left doesn’t recognize their own vicious hatred toward anyone who disagrees with them?
It’s because they’re so steeped in hate they don’t recognize it, just like after a few minutes in a cow barn, you stop smelling the sh1t.
Totally gross. And hey, would you look at that… so is the TeaParty:
http://www.sacbee.com/2011/01/12/3317364/tea-party-joins-fray-in-exploiting.html
As for Palin’s speech, not sure if you guys watched the same thing, but comparing herself to victims of the Holocaust isn’t sitting well. By all means though… run this candidate. You will practically guarantee Obama another 4 years.
(You may now talk about how you’re going to run out and buy ammo, and how this isn’t in any way violent)
John, shut up.
Cross-posted at Ezra Levant’s blog:
The problem with the Left is that they HATE debate, because they have nothing to bring to a genuine debate but their twisted logic and vitriolic rhetoric. For the past 25 to 30 years, there’s been no real political debate in Canada, largely because the political Left and their toadies in the media believe that their viewpoints are self-evident truth and anyone who brings an opposing opinion to the table is just a reactionary, red-neck, yahoo, not worth their time or consideration.
It’s their breathtaking arrogance that fuels the “vitriolic rhetoric,” much or most of it coming from THEIR commentators, and one of the main reasons there needs to be a Tea Party in the U.S. (I wish we had one). When a large segment of the population is marginalized by the Left’s jettisoning them to the sidelines, ridiculing them, and making sure there’s no place for them at the media “round table” (theirs is a square, with room for only four), it shouldn’t come as a surprise that a lot of these folks, voters all, would organize to be heard. This is called “the democratic process,” and isn’t it interesting, and disgusting, to see the Leftards get out the garlic to try and ward off the rabble? The Left is anti-democracy, pro-Leftist hegemony. As they see the public turning away from their over-controlling, bankrupting, form of governance, they’re scared ****less and it seems they’ll do and say anything to discredit these new forces of democracy.
In a nutshell, the Dems/Left are poor losers.
Your Lefty friends are the ones you should be worried about John. Every time somebody gets shot, its one of you losers pulled the trigger.
Sarah Palin is 100% accurate in her use of the term ” a blood libel”, as it happens. She used it in the generic sense of accusing people of causing murder who have done nothing and were not involved. This usage is distinct from reference to -The- Blood Libel, that being the lie used to justify persecution of the Jews for hundreds of years.
But then, you knew that. Making you just another lying, scheming, hate filled Lefty troll. November hurt, eh? Wait until you see what happens to you fools here in Canada. The election of Rob Ford says y’all are going to get -slaughtered- like halal goats.
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John>
“You may now talk about how you’re going to run out and buy ammo”
He he he, I don’t think you need to worry about that anymore “John”. After all the rhetoric by your ilk in the last attempt of gun grabbing, there are more guns and ammo buried and hidden around the US than was used in WW2. You pathetic idealists have ensured that regardless of any bans or restrictions of any kind, small arms and ammo will be available to anyone with a little cash for many decades to come. Every time you open your yaps about it, more and more of this hoarding occurs, yet like with anything you cannot comprehend the real life consequences of your actions.
You are your own worst enemy.