“So was this a surprise, a dad at 63?”
If you watch the video through to the next segment, the issue is explored in more depth. “What are the ethical issues around parents having kids so late in life?”
Married elderly males have been fathering children for millennia, married gay males for about 15 minutes. Yet, the ethics of the latter are apparently settled, while the former are still a matter for debate. Odd, that.
So when this child is 10 & wants to throw a ball around with “dad” his father will be 73. Lucky kid!
When I heard this story on Global, they referred to Elton John “and his husband”. How do they decide who is the husband? Do they take turns?
“When I heard this story on Global, they referred to Elton John ‘and his husband’. How do they decide who is the husband? Do they take turns?”
Silly. They’re both the husband.
Scott, which dad?
And to say that this baby is “John’s first child with the 48-year-old Furnish” is ridiculous.
The perversion of the truth on display here is pure La-La Land, “I’m OK, you’re OK” poppycock. Our poor kids.
The only place where childrens’ rights are trumped.
I don’t care what you think of me, same-sex parents is plain wrong.
If you watch the video into the next segment, there’s an interview with an expert about the “ethics” of older parents having children.
Married old geezers have been parenting children since the dawn of time… married gay men, for about 15 minutes.
Yet it’s the “ethics” of the latter that are “settled” while the former still open to debate. Odd that.
My first question was: Which one had the joy of pregnancy, labour and delivery?
turkey baster and a stir stick ?
wait for the DNA test , say 10 years out when the happy “couple” decouple.
Given the nature of genetics, the younger guy’s ‘seed’ would likely present less chance of any abnormalities in the child – but then it wouldn’t be Elton’s child, would it?
Both can be ‘parents’ but only one can be a father. I’m guessing that money and ego probably trumps ethics, so the kid will simply have to deal with the burden of daddy Elton’s homely genes.
I’m with Mike T. Homosexual parenting is for the satisfaction of the adults, not the best interests of a child. Nothing can ever replace the influence of both the male and female presence.
Doesn’t mean a kid won’t grow up and do well, but it sure isn’t the optimum opportunity.
That is so wrong on so many levels. From the vapid opening question through the Christmas “miracle” to the Levon reference this reeks of accessorizing.
And the smarmy ditz “doesn’t even want to go there” in regards to Hugh Heffner.
At least Heff might have created a child the old fashioned way.
Bonus question. Can anybody remember any significant Canadian trans-generational celebrity family that was gifted with not one but two children born on Christmas day?
turkey baster and a stir stick ?
wait for the DNA test , say 10 years out when the happy “couple” decouple.
I’m sure the pregnancy was a big surprise for both parents.
Every child deserves to be screwed up by two aging queens.
One can only hope that Elton John doesn’t lose his fortune, for this poor tot will need it to pay for all the psychological assistance he’ll require throughout his life.
One thing for sure, the kid won’t be a momma’s boy!
Let’s not hope too strenously for Elton to make his money available even to this ‘bundle of joy’..It was reported recently that his younger brother is not doing well and Mr. John seems uninterested and oblivious to what might be a family member in need.
I simply cannot think just whose child this is except for the ‘surrogate’ mother whose identity is being kept secret. She and only she can claim ANY parental ownership in this matter.
The article brings up the issue of who was the one making the ‘donation’…and it seems logical that the younger would be the wiser choice, yet for this to be ‘theirs’ both would have had to contribute??
That image brings shivers up and down one’s spine!
We can see with our eyes and hear with our ears that this is not the kind of thing that these two ‘married’ men could accomplish on their own.
Therein lieth the lesson: No matter what the politically correct media tell you there are some fundamentals that cannot be denied.
Homosexual couples CANNOT pro-create.
Just like the song in The Color Purple…
‘God is trying to telling you something’
And it IS not that old geezers are the issue when it is clear that the issue is the homosexual couple are now ‘parents’and one of them IS an old geezer and a rich and famous one at that.
Could we just get it clear? The kids are watching and listening and it is important they get this from all angles.
Not that they are not quicker studies that some adults, most glaringly that blond (today) bimbo
‘reading’ the news at CTV NewsNet!
Sick!
Snowbunnie, that blond bimbo recently published a book about how scary right wing Christians are.
syncro…Pierre and Margaret .
What’s my prize?
Yeah well this “old geezer” has two opinions….neither of which is likely acceptable to the “smart set”.
If I feel that homosexuality is wrong…that doesn’t make me a bad person…it means I have an opinion.(Andy Rooney)
It is gratifying to know that at least one more caucasion (hopefully non-muslim) male has been added to the gene-pool.
bluetech
You are the winner! Unfortunately I didn’t think this through to the prize part….What’s good with you 😕
This, I suppose passes for news. Seemed like a promo for John and Furnish. I will have to do some checking on the aforesaid “blonde bimbo” and if she does write books.
For what she and the urbane and affable man who burbled about John and Furnish are about are five times more scary than any right wing Christians. These much maligned Christians would insist on a nice man and woman for the adoption. As to being scary, this being the giggling acceptance of these two selfish and horrible men and their “toy”.
Curiously enough the great novel about an older single man looking after a little three year old girl is fiction. It was George Eliot (Mary Ann Evans), who wrote SILAS MARNER ( A Weaver of Raveloe). A most touching Victorian novel, but possibly unlikely.
An intentionally planned/timed Christmas present for a gay couple who have almost everything?
Ken (Kulak) — you have your blonde bimbo’s mixed up. Marcia Macmillan vs. Marci Mcdonald. McDonald is the author.
Study: Gay Parents More Likely to Have Gay Kids
http://www.aolnews.com/2010/10/17/study-gay-parents-more-likely-to-have-gay-kids/
No wonder children aren’t safe anymore. There just another commodity.
Welcome to the nihilistic secular world of materialism. Where emotions are just neurons being excited. Values or morals mean nothing, only self interest shriven of any ethical realities.
They used to call that Hell.
In facy Homosexuality was & is in the bible not just an individual sin, but God considers it a Judgment on a Nation. He allows Mankind to believe delusions. To run from light to the shadows. The condoning of the practice brings its own evils. Gays individually are considered just sinners like us all. Its when Countries encourage or condone it that it becomes a problem. Even Pagan cultures knew this. I guess where so enlightened we have forgotten most of what we have learned. That or we figure where immune from consequences.
JMO
Ethics? Unethical/ethical in this instance seems to be based on the reason for wanting the child. If you’re having kids because you love your partner, you’re good to go because that’s the ‘proper’ reason to procreate. It’s hard to prove that you want a child because you love its other biological parent. Shouldn’t their natural union create a ready-to-wear line instead?
Follow the desire and you’ll figure out whether it’s unethical. Since a child is its own intrinsically valuable person, you can’t “want one” for your own purposes. They’re not fashion accessories!
Kate
Marcia isn’t your leftard cousin that nobody mentions…is she?
syncro that would be the Trudeau’s
anyone else think Justin looks more like Mick Jagger than the old commie Pierre?
I want to know which one had the episiotomy.
F#CKIN DISCUSTING.
That boy is going to messed up forever way to go .
There is a theme around this and that is selfishness the F*G’s only care about them selfish little selves they don’t care about the kids feeling’s or the fact that he will be harrassed and picked on he won’t have any normal freinds ,and i can say if that boy was to be freinds with my kids i would constantly tell the boy that we would take care of him and that his fathers are wrong and i would do everything in my power to let work with the child to help him get away from this discusting repulsive situation.
And for those of you who want to go on the well stop bulling and only heterosexuals are bullies or something like that.
YOUR RIGHT it is totally normal for kids to not like that type of thing it is natural to reject qu##rs …it is not normal to walk around thinking it is perfectly fine yeah yeah libertarians go pound sand i don’t care about your personal freedom crap this is the kind of stuff that ruins empires and societies so please spare me!
This should be banned period that poor child!
LindaL, my oops.
The surrogate mother should have no more a claim on this child than either of them. I knew I shouldn’t have read the bloody thing. We live in a dying culture.
syncro…the honour of being declared winner works for me!
Paul in Calgary: Thanks for delivering the kind of raw, crazy, ignorant hatred Kate was hoping for when she posted this.
Poor kid…two old queer fathers and no mother!
Paul in Calgary: You stated exactly what most NORMAL people with morals think, but dont have the guts to put it to print…thank you!
Ever notice how hard the ab-normal folks work trying to appear Normal ?
Putting Lipstick on the un-natural changes nothing.
Paul in Calgary – That, sir, was absolutely discusting! And yet … and yet, I can almost sympathize with you, even though I’m not sure what you said.
@ batman
Are you of the Gotham City Batman’s?
bluetech
Good thing 😉
cal2
Kieff maybe?
Male and female parents have, logically, been raising offspring since time immemorial. My concern here is that this pair is using a child as a social experiment. It goes beyond “same sex marriage” (which seems to be somewhat of an oxymoron to me) into “same-sex parenting” and that is uncharted waters, regardless of what the advocates may preach. A female nanny may offer some balance but she isn’t going to be a full substitute for a mother.
I was recently talking to some friends – male and female, all heterosexual – about same-sex couples having kids. We all felt a certain amount of – somewhat inchoate – moral unease about the matter, but there was a (surprisingly) unanimous agreement that gay men, particularly older, stable couples, are far better suited to raising children than lesbians are, and for one simple reason: the *vast* majority of gay men do not hate or dislike women *at all* – they generally luv-luv-luv! them, in fact – whereas an awful lot of Lesbians – and I’m being perfectly frank – are disgusted – genuinely disgusted – by all brain/body manifestations of maleness. When it comes to the issue of same-sex parents, that’s a serious problem, IMO; a *lot* of Lesbians quite clearly think of maleness as being icky, or as some sort of repulsive, congenital brain defect.
I’ve met more than a few straight men who are repelled by female-ness, even as they’re driven to women, but I don’t think I’ve ever met a *gay* man who hates women. That’s why I tend to cringe more – a lot more – at the thought of lesbians having a boy-child than I am at the thought of (older) gay men raising a girl. I’m sure that any Lesbian couple would do their best to make sure that their little boy didn’t grow up to be a “man” of the sort they despise, but, umm, it’s gonna be a tough gig for the little guy, because his life will be about politics, and hatred.
Shortly after our first child was born, my wife and I made out a will. The primary reason for making out the will was to settle what would happen to our child(ren) in the unlikely event of our early mutual demises. Guess what … the thought of giving them to a pair of queers never occurred to us.
Funny, that as mankind’s list of options for raising our offspring increase we granulate them and celebrate the least worst ones.
That which is viewed as moral behavior is usually simply the best behavior for long term good. Immoral behavior frequently brings short term benefits ( or it would be unnecessary to warn against it) but is a poor bet for the long term.
In choosing a mate a lady wants many things- an athletic body, a good brain, riches, kindness, youth etc. There simply aren’t enough with all theses characteristics to go round, so ladies have to prioritise. Maybe they pick a young athlete who will leave them in the morning, maybe they pick a kindly rich old man who will care for them and their offspring- and all will decry the choices of those who prioritised differently.
The biological mother chose to have a child this way- including giving it up to someone else’s care. I have no idea of her circumstances- I suspect she’s making the best of a bad situation, and if so we should accept that- and continue to improve the world so that such bad situations become rarer even than they are now.
I’m curious how the delivery was performed. Not that difficult to insert a fertilized egg into a mans abdomen and load him up with progesterone and estrogen and I’m sure that the placental trophoblasts will happily burrow into any nearby tissue with a blood supply. Ceasarian section is also easy, but placental removal would be a major surgical undertaking. I hope Elton John’s “wife” has recovered from the surgery. The bonus of estrogen supplementation during pregnancy means his “wife” might actually be able to breast feed the infant.
What I would like to know is how this event affects their standing among other homosexuals. When I used to live in Vancouver I noticed homosexuals using “breeder” as a derisive term. Now that Elton John has joined the “breeder” class does this mean that homosexuals will suddenly start disposing of their Elton John CD’s?
loki – ewwwww. Too much information.
Great question, Kate.
Let me write the ‘Let Me Fix That Headline For Ya…”!!!
*ahem*
“Bloated British Butt Blaster Begets Bouncing Baby Boy”
Eh? Eh???? I shoulda been a journalist! It pays better than flipping hamburgers but doesn’t require as much thought!
Two “husbands” rented a womb but who’s really the “daddy”?
After watching the CTV video and all the gushing about the child being born on Christmas day, and all the “perfect celebrity story” crap, who would like to wager that labor was induced, or the poor surrogate mother was “encouraged” to have a C-section on 25 Dec?
All this just to fulfill the perverse dreams of an aging rock diva pufter.
Marcia MacMillan, “the smarmy ditz”, is perhaps to most annoying of all of CTVNewsnet’s readers. I first noticed her tone and style in a piece she did on Sarah Palin. Perhaps it is just that Marcia MacMillan’s superficiality is well matched to a superficial medium.