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The officer provided the straight-out strangest of defense of trespass for the purpose of mob menacing that I’ve ever heard:
“They were there for a short period of time. And what they did was a normal course of conduct for this group.”
Erm, when an arsonist sets fire to a building, that’s “a normal course of conduct for this individual.” And yet…
Syncro, I usually look up correct spelling for werds I’n not sure of. What I often see is intentional (read: ‘ironic’) misspelling, which leads to a further degeneration of the language.
In the engineering and computer worlds, being exact is extremely important. In the “soft studies”, not so much, because those are touchy-feely, subjective fields.
The below is intended to “raise awareness” of a “critical issue” which places ours children “at risk”. http://www.apostropheabuse.com/
It takes 10 minutes to say that!! Please don’t ever laugh at the CBC!!
PS: She is however darned cute!!
PS:
Is this really such a big deal that has to take up 10 minutes of national television airtime? It’s plain to see what is happening here. Right wing extremists can’t just gun the down and shut them up, so they get frustrated. The last thing a Con wants is free speech and peaceful assembly!
At least one person commenting here likes mob rule.
No, the issue is that a whipped up rent-a-mob of some 500 individuals went from being angry at this man’s employers and crossed the line by intruding into his personal life, planting themselves on his personal property and terrifying a minor child alone inside the house. And, they apparently did all this under the auspices of the police. That is definitely worth 10 minutes of air time. We do not live in a mobocracy, and we expect the authorities to enforce the law without regard to the particulars of the parties involved. The last thing a Con wants is free speech and peaceful assembly!
I don’t know what planet you live on, but that is hilarious. It’s not conservatives who try to shut people up by whatever means possible. In the Western world all the onerous restrictions on free speech and expression come from the Left. It is the Left that mandates campus “speech codes”, hate speech commissions and so on. Where was this mythological Left wing tolerance when Ann Coulter went to speak at that university?
Look guys, maybe my commnent was a tad too hasty. Howevah! All those people had done was stand on a guy’s lawn or front steps and give a speech. There was no violence, no damage to proerty, no hystaria. So what is the big deal?
No crime committed unless the police see it happen.
Just like in professional wrestling, in which one can get away with cheating as long as the referee didn’t see it. And much of the time the referee deliberately isn’t paying attention… quite conveniently, for the wrongdoers.
Cops are increasingly resembling pro wrestling referees.
What, are the police fake now?
Citizen X: A man’s home is his castle. Free speech, for sure. In a public place. I’m pretty sure private property rights (at least in the US) supersede others’ “right” to trespass there, regardless of what they’re doing.
Let’s do a thought experiment: let’s say that this happened to you and the roles were not in your favour, that chanting and bullhorning and trespassing were happening on your front porch. Pick the cause that you’re most at odds with, and let’s say that people are protesting in favour of that. And let’s say that they were there for 20 minutes and only your 14-year-old son was inside.
You’re wondering what the big deal is? If you still are, I think the problem might lay somewhere between your left and right ears.
PS: I’m a huge fan of Megyn Kelly. She’s both hot and smart. A deadly combination.
When face to face confrontation with some miscreant is involved, Gretchen Carlson is hard to beat for visual intensity. One “Gretchen glare” is enough to send most off message and scrambling for cover, two would likely produce a pillar of salt. Rare event but always fun to see.
Let’s take a deep breath, shall we?
The property was NOT posted, so legally, there was no trespass.
The First Amendment gives the people the right “peaceably to assemble”. It doesn’t say where those assemblies can or must take place. It says the people can seek “redress for grievances”, again without any express limitation on where that takes place.
The Maryland police chief said repeatedly that the protesters dispersed peacefully when asked. So, Ms. Kelly’s outrage aside, what law was broken? “Disorderly conduct”? Puh-leaze. That’s usually a ticket, not an arrest.
And what would happen if they were all given tickets? Face it – the police would have to give them to all the group, else those who got tickets could claim they were being discriminated against by being given tickets while others did not. Then, these people – who clearly have nothing better to do – would tie up the courts by contesting each ticket. Even a lousy lawyer could probably make each one last an hour, so that’s 500 hours of court time. Since most courts only meet 6 hours a day, that’s over 80 days, or four freakin’ months of court time wasted. At a minimum, that’s the judge, a court reporter, a clerk, a DA, a bailiff, and god knows who else, plus at least one cop as a complaining witness. Anyone care to guess what that would cost? Even if all the protesters ends up paying their $50 fine, it’s a Pyrrhic victory at best.
And “terrifying” their son? Give me a break. When I was 14, if a bunch of people had shown up saying my dad was a jerk, I would have just laughed at them, and then told them to get the hell off my lawn. I sincerely doubt this kid was terrified.
From “Maryland Causes of Action for Trespass and Private Nuisance and Damages Available to Plaintiff” http://www.marylandaccidentattorneyblog.com/2009/02/maryland_causes_of_action_for.html
“Trespass, as defined in Maryland, occurs when the defendant interferes with the plaintiff’s interest in exclusive possession of land by entering or causing something to enter the land. …”
“A nuisance as defined in Maryland, is anything that unlawfully annoys or does damage to another. It is traditionally a condition on premises or adjacent thereto that is offensive or harmful to those who are off the premises. A public nuisance is a criminal offense involving an interference with the community at large. Rosenblatt, 335 Md. 58 at 79.”
The only reference to “Posting” refers to hunting trespass.
I don’t think the chief was on solid ground at all. This was nothing but one union backing up another.
Citizen X: “Look guys, maybe my commnent was a tad too hasty. Howevah! All those people had done was stand on a guy’s lawn or front steps and give a speech. There was no violence, no damage to proerty, no hystaria. So what is the big deal?”
You give yourself away, Citizen X: You’re obviously very young and come from those classrooms I teach in where loud mob scenes are the norm and the kids don’t even know it. When I say, “listen to yourselves, can’t you hear that its unacceptably noisy in here and we need to bring it down a few notches,” they look vacantly at me and say, “it’s not loud in here.” Hmmm. You may be deaf too.
Try using spell check and your brain. Have YOU ever had 500 people show up on your lawn? OK, you don’t have a lawn, you live in a basement apartment.
What’s the big deal? The big deal is how the police handled/didn’t handle the mob; again, you give yourself away as someone in the Whatever Generation. Mob scene? What mob scene? Police should have made a few arrests? How come?
How many people showing up on someone’s lawn, Citizen X, would warrant police involvement — other than their standing around on the edge of the crowd?
Whatever.
DAVE-Y
What ruined the market was govt forcing banks to make loans that were unlikely to be repaid. One community organizer who later rose to world wide fame organized a similar protest where they demonstrators took over a branch of CitiBank and would not leave until CitiBank agreed to give mortgages in certain neighborhoods or be branded racist. Now the people who got loans by intimidation can’t pay them back, so they are resorting to what works for them, intimidation.
You want to blame bankers for making the loans, but not the politicians who forced them to make the loans, that’s your call. Just don’t expect anybody with access to the facts to believe it.
KevinB,
The law broken was not trespassing, so defending the goons on the charge of trespassing is kind of irrelevant. They weren’t accused of speeding either, so we don’t need to hear your defense of this mob on that charge either. Yeesh!
Not to mention that people who did not have to work and save for the money for their mortgage were willing to pay higher prices, forcing the market up artificially for everyone. Now the govt gravy train has come to its inevitable end, and who is to blame? Not the people who made the laws that created the situation, but the people who lived by them.
Best line..”It does take us some time to respond to a call, even when we are a few minutes away.”
LOL!!
Best line..”It does take us some time to respond to a call, even when we are a few minutes away.” —LOL!
Police, the ultimate union thug.
Welcome to Obozo’s America. Just recently Mark Steyn had a piece on his web site about how British cops typically stand around doing nothing while British Imams threaten to kill Jews and preach general hatred of the west, all in-public and all in violation of hate laws. The British cops do, however, react against anyone who would disrupt these hate fests. These officers have, in effect, become enablers of those who would destroy our freedoms and impose sharia.
America used to be an antidote to this kind of Euro weenie emasculation. Obozo wants to make the USA more like Europe. It looks like he is off to a running start, at least with some elements in US law enforcement.
What may eventually derail Obozo’s plans, though, is the fact that American citizens, unlike Euros, own guns. Americans have the capacity to make their government fear them — which is a defining characteristic of a democratic state. When it is the other way around and people fear their government, you have tyranny. Obozo seeks the latter condition.
This policeman has shown amazing restraint and dignity. He stuck to his playbook and didn’t budge.
He could have sunk to her level of emotional theatrics by posing a very simple question to her:
Would she be asking him the same questions if NRA activists showed up on the front lawn of an anti-gun coalition leader?
Or if tea party activists heckled a crippled person? Oh wait, that did happen. Wonder why it didn’t make it onto Fox News.
Agenda, baby, agenda. Not that I blame them. They’re no better or worse than the MSM. Its all about theatrics, agenda and entertainment value. Objectivity? What is that?
And “terrifying” their son? Give me a break. When I was 14, if a bunch of people had shown up saying my dad was a jerk, I would have just laughed at them, and then told them to get the hell off my lawn. I sincerely doubt this kid was terrified.
You would, to 500 loud obnoxious people standing at your doorstep with bullhorns? I quite doubt it.
The man who lives there, the target of the mob, said his son called him on the phone in an obvious state of fear. You can dismiss “terrifying” as an exaggeration, but that’s pretty much how it was described by the kid’s father.
KevinB at June 4, 2010 4:17 AM “I would have just laughed at them, and then told them to get the hell off my lawn. I sincerely doubt this kid was terrified.”
You are a pompus liar! You are telling me that you would have stood up to these thugs?
You are really tough behind your keyboard, but methinks that you would have needed a new pair of shorts if put in this situation. Or maybe, you have spent some time in the local prison and it somehow gives you a thrill to be around all those people who walk on the other side of the law! ;^)
There never was a bullhorn a lefty didn’t like. Every now and then you see a protest and for some reason the camera pulls back and there are 8 people?
Yet the tight shot shows some one emoting into a bullhorn.
I’m sure everybody could have heard the screaming sans bullhorn. Maybe they violated a noise bylaw or sumpin’.
“This policeman has shown amazing restraint and dignity. He stuck to his playbook and didn’t budge” – A. Lefty
That is what it is about with Lefties. Not reasoned discussion. Discussion takes place behind closed doors among the committed, and the result is then disseminated to kool aid souses like bluedeedah: “Stick to your talking points. Don’t engage. We can’t win an honest argument, so don’t get into one…”
We have seen it all before and we are sick of it. November cannot come soon enough.
“I would have just laughed at them, and then told them to get the hell off my lawn.”
I would have turned on the automatic sprinkler system and then laughed as I released the hounds.
Good times.
I lived in a small town in Saskatchewan where they were filming a movie. I woke up one morning, heard sirens and simulated gunshots, only to find a guy standing on my front lawn with a megaphone giving orders.
I gathered my composure, made a cup of coffee, and after they left, I phoned the director who told me that he was sorry, he didn’t mean to startle anyone.
Did I need to go on National TV! No. They gave me free DVD of the movie, (as long as I didn’t infringe the copyright,) value $22.00, and that was that. Not bad for having a guy on your lawn for 10 mins.
Where’s a Vancouver airport RCMP officer and a taser when you need one!
“…a guy standing on my front lawn with a megaphone giving orders.”
Which is absolutely the same as 500 screaming shouting a-holes with signs and an ugly attitude on the front lawn. Or not.
What is it about the concept of private property that Leftists can’t seem to comprehend? Or the concept of trivial and accidental trespass while doing something else vs. massive and deliberate trespass with intent to cause terror in a target?
Piper Paul
Very funny. You know what I am saying?
Syncro
“We’re angry that you’re (a) having to spend money to seize houses and sell them at losses because we willfully agreed to pay for them but couldn’t and (b) are exercising the rights which we also willfully agreed to when we signed the contracts! Therefore instead of working or finding jobs so that we can perhaps uphold our contractual obligations we’re going to harass you because the will of God or our own financial stupidity led to you being in this obviously unenviable situation!”
Batb: I mispell words because my hands were mangled in a farming accident, I have very poor finger dexterity.
I can’t believe how some people just can’t seem to close the book on something. A crowd of people gather on a lawn, they do their thing, and leave peacefully. What are you going to do after they are gone?
Dude, I want to see your face after 500 people show up on -your- lawn screaming for -your- blood. Oh, and scare the crap out of your kid too.
It isn’t protest, it isn’t free speech. Its an attack on a guy’s home and family. Deadly force is reasonable.
Will it still be ok with you when they start kicking in the guy’s front door and holding their protest in his living room? “Hey, they left peacefully. What’s your problem?”
The officer provided the straight-out strangest of defense of trespass for the purpose of mob menacing that I’ve ever heard:
“They were there for a short period of time. And what they did was a normal course of conduct for this group.”
Erm, when an arsonist sets fire to a building, that’s “a normal course of conduct for this individual.” And yet…
Syncro, I usually look up correct spelling for werds I’n not sure of. What I often see is intentional (read: ‘ironic’) misspelling, which leads to a further degeneration of the language.
In the engineering and computer worlds, being exact is extremely important. In the “soft studies”, not so much, because those are touchy-feely, subjective fields.
The below is intended to “raise awareness” of a “critical issue” which places ours children “at risk”.
http://www.apostropheabuse.com/
It takes 10 minutes to say that!! Please don’t ever laugh at the CBC!!
PS: She is however darned cute!!
PS:
Is this really such a big deal that has to take up 10 minutes of national television airtime? It’s plain to see what is happening here. Right wing extremists can’t just gun the down and shut them up, so they get frustrated. The last thing a Con wants is free speech and peaceful assembly!
At least one person commenting here likes mob rule.
No, the issue is that a whipped up rent-a-mob of some 500 individuals went from being angry at this man’s employers and crossed the line by intruding into his personal life, planting themselves on his personal property and terrifying a minor child alone inside the house. And, they apparently did all this under the auspices of the police. That is definitely worth 10 minutes of air time. We do not live in a mobocracy, and we expect the authorities to enforce the law without regard to the particulars of the parties involved.
The last thing a Con wants is free speech and peaceful assembly!
I don’t know what planet you live on, but that is hilarious. It’s not conservatives who try to shut people up by whatever means possible. In the Western world all the onerous restrictions on free speech and expression come from the Left. It is the Left that mandates campus “speech codes”, hate speech commissions and so on. Where was this mythological Left wing tolerance when Ann Coulter went to speak at that university?
Look guys, maybe my commnent was a tad too hasty. Howevah! All those people had done was stand on a guy’s lawn or front steps and give a speech. There was no violence, no damage to proerty, no hystaria. So what is the big deal?
No crime committed unless the police see it happen.
Just like in professional wrestling, in which one can get away with cheating as long as the referee didn’t see it. And much of the time the referee deliberately isn’t paying attention… quite conveniently, for the wrongdoers.
Cops are increasingly resembling pro wrestling referees.
What, are the police fake now?
Citizen X: A man’s home is his castle. Free speech, for sure. In a public place. I’m pretty sure private property rights (at least in the US) supersede others’ “right” to trespass there, regardless of what they’re doing.
Let’s do a thought experiment: let’s say that this happened to you and the roles were not in your favour, that chanting and bullhorning and trespassing were happening on your front porch. Pick the cause that you’re most at odds with, and let’s say that people are protesting in favour of that. And let’s say that they were there for 20 minutes and only your 14-year-old son was inside.
You’re wondering what the big deal is? If you still are, I think the problem might lay somewhere between your left and right ears.
PS: I’m a huge fan of Megyn Kelly. She’s both hot and smart. A deadly combination.
When face to face confrontation with some miscreant is involved, Gretchen Carlson is hard to beat for visual intensity. One “Gretchen glare” is enough to send most off message and scrambling for cover, two would likely produce a pillar of salt. Rare event but always fun to see.
Let’s take a deep breath, shall we?
The property was NOT posted, so legally, there was no trespass.
The First Amendment gives the people the right “peaceably to assemble”. It doesn’t say where those assemblies can or must take place. It says the people can seek “redress for grievances”, again without any express limitation on where that takes place.
The Maryland police chief said repeatedly that the protesters dispersed peacefully when asked. So, Ms. Kelly’s outrage aside, what law was broken? “Disorderly conduct”? Puh-leaze. That’s usually a ticket, not an arrest.
And what would happen if they were all given tickets? Face it – the police would have to give them to all the group, else those who got tickets could claim they were being discriminated against by being given tickets while others did not. Then, these people – who clearly have nothing better to do – would tie up the courts by contesting each ticket. Even a lousy lawyer could probably make each one last an hour, so that’s 500 hours of court time. Since most courts only meet 6 hours a day, that’s over 80 days, or four freakin’ months of court time wasted. At a minimum, that’s the judge, a court reporter, a clerk, a DA, a bailiff, and god knows who else, plus at least one cop as a complaining witness. Anyone care to guess what that would cost? Even if all the protesters ends up paying their $50 fine, it’s a Pyrrhic victory at best.
And “terrifying” their son? Give me a break. When I was 14, if a bunch of people had shown up saying my dad was a jerk, I would have just laughed at them, and then told them to get the hell off my lawn. I sincerely doubt this kid was terrified.
From “Maryland Causes of Action for Trespass and Private Nuisance and Damages Available to Plaintiff”
http://www.marylandaccidentattorneyblog.com/2009/02/maryland_causes_of_action_for.html
“Trespass, as defined in Maryland, occurs when the defendant interferes with the plaintiff’s interest in exclusive possession of land by entering or causing something to enter the land. …”
“A nuisance as defined in Maryland, is anything that unlawfully annoys or does damage to another. It is traditionally a condition on premises or adjacent thereto that is offensive or harmful to those who are off the premises. A public nuisance is a criminal offense involving an interference with the community at large. Rosenblatt, 335 Md. 58 at 79.”
The only reference to “Posting” refers to hunting trespass.
I don’t think the chief was on solid ground at all. This was nothing but one union backing up another.
Citizen X: “Look guys, maybe my commnent was a tad too hasty. Howevah! All those people had done was stand on a guy’s lawn or front steps and give a speech. There was no violence, no damage to proerty, no hystaria. So what is the big deal?”
You give yourself away, Citizen X: You’re obviously very young and come from those classrooms I teach in where loud mob scenes are the norm and the kids don’t even know it. When I say, “listen to yourselves, can’t you hear that its unacceptably noisy in here and we need to bring it down a few notches,” they look vacantly at me and say, “it’s not loud in here.” Hmmm. You may be deaf too.
Try using spell check and your brain. Have YOU ever had 500 people show up on your lawn? OK, you don’t have a lawn, you live in a basement apartment.
What’s the big deal? The big deal is how the police handled/didn’t handle the mob; again, you give yourself away as someone in the Whatever Generation. Mob scene? What mob scene? Police should have made a few arrests? How come?
How many people showing up on someone’s lawn, Citizen X, would warrant police involvement — other than their standing around on the edge of the crowd?
Whatever.
DAVE-Y
What ruined the market was govt forcing banks to make loans that were unlikely to be repaid. One community organizer who later rose to world wide fame organized a similar protest where they demonstrators took over a branch of CitiBank and would not leave until CitiBank agreed to give mortgages in certain neighborhoods or be branded racist. Now the people who got loans by intimidation can’t pay them back, so they are resorting to what works for them, intimidation.
You want to blame bankers for making the loans, but not the politicians who forced them to make the loans, that’s your call. Just don’t expect anybody with access to the facts to believe it.
KevinB,
The law broken was not trespassing, so defending the goons on the charge of trespassing is kind of irrelevant. They weren’t accused of speeding either, so we don’t need to hear your defense of this mob on that charge either. Yeesh!
Not to mention that people who did not have to work and save for the money for their mortgage were willing to pay higher prices, forcing the market up artificially for everyone. Now the govt gravy train has come to its inevitable end, and who is to blame? Not the people who made the laws that created the situation, but the people who lived by them.
Best line..”It does take us some time to respond to a call, even when we are a few minutes away.”
LOL!!
Best line..”It does take us some time to respond to a call, even when we are a few minutes away.” —LOL!
Police, the ultimate union thug.
Welcome to Obozo’s America. Just recently Mark Steyn had a piece on his web site about how British cops typically stand around doing nothing while British Imams threaten to kill Jews and preach general hatred of the west, all in-public and all in violation of hate laws. The British cops do, however, react against anyone who would disrupt these hate fests. These officers have, in effect, become enablers of those who would destroy our freedoms and impose sharia.
America used to be an antidote to this kind of Euro weenie emasculation. Obozo wants to make the USA more like Europe. It looks like he is off to a running start, at least with some elements in US law enforcement.
What may eventually derail Obozo’s plans, though, is the fact that American citizens, unlike Euros, own guns. Americans have the capacity to make their government fear them — which is a defining characteristic of a democratic state. When it is the other way around and people fear their government, you have tyranny. Obozo seeks the latter condition.
This policeman has shown amazing restraint and dignity. He stuck to his playbook and didn’t budge.
He could have sunk to her level of emotional theatrics by posing a very simple question to her:
Would she be asking him the same questions if NRA activists showed up on the front lawn of an anti-gun coalition leader?
Or if tea party activists heckled a crippled person? Oh wait, that did happen. Wonder why it didn’t make it onto Fox News.
Agenda, baby, agenda. Not that I blame them. They’re no better or worse than the MSM. Its all about theatrics, agenda and entertainment value. Objectivity? What is that?
And “terrifying” their son? Give me a break. When I was 14, if a bunch of people had shown up saying my dad was a jerk, I would have just laughed at them, and then told them to get the hell off my lawn. I sincerely doubt this kid was terrified.
You would, to 500 loud obnoxious people standing at your doorstep with bullhorns? I quite doubt it.
The man who lives there, the target of the mob, said his son called him on the phone in an obvious state of fear. You can dismiss “terrifying” as an exaggeration, but that’s pretty much how it was described by the kid’s father.
KevinB at June 4, 2010 4:17 AM “I would have just laughed at them, and then told them to get the hell off my lawn. I sincerely doubt this kid was terrified.”
You are a pompus liar! You are telling me that you would have stood up to these thugs?
You are really tough behind your keyboard, but methinks that you would have needed a new pair of shorts if put in this situation. Or maybe, you have spent some time in the local prison and it somehow gives you a thrill to be around all those people who walk on the other side of the law! ;^)
There never was a bullhorn a lefty didn’t like. Every now and then you see a protest and for some reason the camera pulls back and there are 8 people?
Yet the tight shot shows some one emoting into a bullhorn.
I’m sure everybody could have heard the screaming sans bullhorn. Maybe they violated a noise bylaw or sumpin’.
“This policeman has shown amazing restraint and dignity. He stuck to his playbook and didn’t budge” – A. Lefty
That is what it is about with Lefties. Not reasoned discussion. Discussion takes place behind closed doors among the committed, and the result is then disseminated to kool aid souses like bluedeedah: “Stick to your talking points. Don’t engage. We can’t win an honest argument, so don’t get into one…”
We have seen it all before and we are sick of it. November cannot come soon enough.
“I would have just laughed at them, and then told them to get the hell off my lawn.”
I would have turned on the automatic sprinkler system and then laughed as I released the hounds.
Good times.
I lived in a small town in Saskatchewan where they were filming a movie. I woke up one morning, heard sirens and simulated gunshots, only to find a guy standing on my front lawn with a megaphone giving orders.
I gathered my composure, made a cup of coffee, and after they left, I phoned the director who told me that he was sorry, he didn’t mean to startle anyone.
Did I need to go on National TV! No. They gave me free DVD of the movie, (as long as I didn’t infringe the copyright,) value $22.00, and that was that. Not bad for having a guy on your lawn for 10 mins.
Where’s a Vancouver airport RCMP officer and a taser when you need one!
“…a guy standing on my front lawn with a megaphone giving orders.”
Which is absolutely the same as 500 screaming shouting a-holes with signs and an ugly attitude on the front lawn. Or not.
What is it about the concept of private property that Leftists can’t seem to comprehend? Or the concept of trivial and accidental trespass while doing something else vs. massive and deliberate trespass with intent to cause terror in a target?
Piper Paul
Very funny. You know what I am saying?
Syncro
“We’re angry that you’re (a) having to spend money to seize houses and sell them at losses because we willfully agreed to pay for them but couldn’t and (b) are exercising the rights which we also willfully agreed to when we signed the contracts! Therefore instead of working or finding jobs so that we can perhaps uphold our contractual obligations we’re going to harass you because the will of God or our own financial stupidity led to you being in this obviously unenviable situation!”
Batb: I mispell words because my hands were mangled in a farming accident, I have very poor finger dexterity.
I can’t believe how some people just can’t seem to close the book on something. A crowd of people gather on a lawn, they do their thing, and leave peacefully. What are you going to do after they are gone?
Dude, I want to see your face after 500 people show up on -your- lawn screaming for -your- blood. Oh, and scare the crap out of your kid too.
It isn’t protest, it isn’t free speech. Its an attack on a guy’s home and family. Deadly force is reasonable.
Will it still be ok with you when they start kicking in the guy’s front door and holding their protest in his living room? “Hey, they left peacefully. What’s your problem?”
Anyone else reminded of Fantino and Caledonia?