When watching the coverage of the intl. media I noticed that the boat people are chanting. Fair haired and bright eyed “human rights activists” from all over the world who are sure they are doing the right thing are sitting hand in hand and chanting in Arabic:
Haibar Haibar ya Yahud – Jaish Muhammad Sa’ufa Ya’ud
… it does appear that the physical violence started from the other side, which to begin with had the rather unhumanitarian mission of aiding Hamas, and, to the extent there were sincere humanitarian/peace activists involved, allowed themselves to get hijacked by violent Islamic extremists who manned one of the ships.
And then there are the friends in the White House. One can only hope November comes soon enough.
More commentary here and here: – A Brutal Ambush At Sea.
The paintballs obviously made no impression on the activists, who kept on beating the troops up and even attempted to wrest away their weapons.
One soldier who came to the aid of a comrade was captured by the rioters and sustained severe blows. The commandoes were equipped with handguns but were told they should only use them in the face of life-threatening situations. When they came down from the chopper, they kept on shouting to each other “don’t shoot, don’t shoot,” even though they sustained numerous blows.
The Navy commandoes were prepared to mostly encounter political activists seeking to hold a protest, rather than trained street fighters. The soldiers were told they were to verbally convince activists who offer resistance to give up, and only then use paintballs. They were permitted to use their handguns only under extreme circumstances. …
At one point, the attackers nabbed one commando, wrested away his handgun, and threw him down from the top deck to the lower deck, 30 feet below. The soldier sustained a serious head wound and lost his consciousness.
Only after this injury did Flotilla 13 troops ask for permission to use live fire. The commander approved it: You can go ahead and fire. The soldiers pulled out their handguns and started shooting at the rioters’ legs, a move that ultimately neutralized them. Meanwhile, the rioters started to fire back at the commandoes.
Video in the extended entry.
Where is the link for the chant? I haven’t seen it in the links provided.
bumped .. .
Time to Juxtapose . ..
So this morning the Activists in charge of the convoy to Gaza are explaining to CBC that they refused the Israeli offer to dock at an Israeli port and then have their “Humanitarian Aid” shipped to Gaza overland.
They said they refused because Israel won’t allow cement and water purification equipment, a major part of their cargo, in to Gaza to rebuild the society shatterd by Israel in the last battles.
Maybe CBC should actually do some Journalism, find out what is really going on in Gaza and ask the oh so progressive spokesperson about the recently opened Olympic sized pool, luxury hotels and five star restaurants
http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/mideastdispatches/archives/001114.html
Sorry, clumsy link. I was just linking a news report as background.
Call me cynical, but I would bet a goat load of shekels that the “peace activists” were testing the Israelis with a manifest that did not include much in the way of weapons. If they got whacked, a few useful idiots would become martyrs and Israel would get a month of bad press. As a bonus, the islamist government of Turkey would have the reason to cut relations with Israel that they have been so desperately seeking and Netanyahu would have to cancel his North American tour. If they would have been allowed to land without being inspected the next load would have contained a great deal of weapons. Note to useful idiots. Update your will; Israel calls all bluffs.
Leftists bringing a knife to a gun fight, then waving the bloody shirt when they get creamed.
SOP communism. Kinda hard on the Useful Idiots, but then that’s why they call ’em IDIOTS. Mission planners most definitely not on the boat.
Funny how violent peace activists are eh?
Whatever the outcome of the Israeli thorough search of the captured vessels, Israeli deterrence value gone up a notch or two. As EyesWideShut wrote above, “Note to useful idiots. Update your will; Israel calls all bluffs.”
Also, I’d bet that some sort of contraband will be found. At the very least, this will be a lot of laundered hard currency for the nearly broke Hamas to pay it’s “civil servants” and gunmen that maintain Gaza as a Hamas police state. High-tech weaponry/missile related electronics would also seem a safe bet to be found.
An equally safe bet is that if Israel does find these things, Hamas will lie and say the Israelis planted it; the European anti-Semite/anti-Israel governments will ignore it in their continued condemnation of Israel; ditto for the West’s MSM Presstitutes.
When will enough be enough from these degenerates?
When will we demand they obey laws?
Calling your deranged ass a peace activist is no reason to be treated as anything but the useful idiots they are, better dead than red and any red is better dead, BC idiot included.
Should have blown them out of the water with-out hesitation, sank the lot and charged the survivors for their rescue and then release them in Palestine.
The worst thing that hamas scum can do to themselves is think we cant see through there crappy show.
I STAND WITH ISRAEL.
If they were genuine ‘peace activists’ then they would have accepted Israel’s offer to dock at the Israeli port, unload, and ship the goods to Gaza. Their rejection of this because they insisted on ‘cement’ as part of the cargo is a weak reason.
Equally, if they were genuine about peace, they would not be militants, i.e., attacking the Israeli.
My question about the Israeli action is – why did they do it in international waters? Why not wait until the entered Israeli waters? That’s something I don’t understand.
However, underlying it all, I maintain, is Iran. Iran, Iran and Iran.
Iran has been trying to get Israel to attack it for several years. Then, it could gleefully attack, not simply Israel which quite frankly is not, in my view, Iran’s real focus…but the Arab States. Such as Lebanon, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Egypt. Iran has imperialist ambitions – against Arabs.
Israel is being used as a lynchpin by Iran. That’s also one reason why I maintain that Palestine can’t be a separate nation because Iran would swallow it in a second and use it as its base against the Arab states.
That’s why I keep repeating that Israel and Palestine should be a federation. Two states in one economic federation, with shared administration of borders, water, transportation, and economy…and separate jurisdictions over education, health, social welfare, religion. That federation would end the Islamic fascist use of Israel for their anti-industrial agenda, and would end Iran’s use of Israel for their anti-arab agenda.
This current ‘flotilla’ is a Trojan Horse flotilla, with nothing to do with Gaza or aid or peace and everything to do with inciting emotions and enabling Iran to move, by stealth, and then by arms, into the region.
Why is there no examination in the media, in an even mildly critical way, to ask the pertinent question:
What’s wrong with allowing unfettered access of goods to terrorists?
One might reasonably conclude that these developments were unforeseen because of Netanyahu’s sudden change of plans.
Thoughts and prayers for Israel at this time — they are and always have been surrounded by a nest of vipers.
Adding a few misguided bagpipers to the vipers just tends to make things worse. I’m sure we’ll hear the usual guff from the usual sources in Kanadar these next few days. Just mention 1967 and they should pipe down.
ET said: “My question about the Israeli action is – why did they do it in international waters? Why not wait until the entered Israeli waters?”
I don’t know this for a fact, but its possible the water gets too shallow near to Gaza. Have to check a chart to verify or disprove that one. Another possibility, they want to keep their ships out of range of missiles to be launched from Gaza, or Egypt! Then there’s TV cameras on shore, armed small boats swarming in from Gaza (USS Cole!), anti-ship mines, all kinds of possibilities.
I think they probably had a damn good reason, and we probably won’t be told what it is.
I too wonder “why did they do it in international waters? Why not wait until the entered Israeli waters?”
Because I believe they should have set up ships on the Israeli side; having loudspeakers warn that the first ship that crosses gets blown out of the water.
Then blow the first ship that crosses into Israeli water “out of the water”…
phantom – hmm, too many speculations. I’m still wondering why they boarded in international waters.
Certainly, the flotilla’s agenda was to provoke an attack; I think that is clear. IF they were genuine agents of peace and aid, THEN, they’d go into an Israeli port, have the cargo checked and delivered by land. After all, their stated agenda is to deliver the aid cargo. Hmmm? Or, allow the Israelis to board and check the cargo. Since the activists rejected both offers, then, clearly, their agenda was to provoke an attack.
There is no way that Israel could allow an unverified cargo to be unloaded in Gaza. Both sides knew this.
Therefore, the REAL agenda is, as usual, not to assist Palestinians. The real agenda is held by Islamic fascists – and it is to use Israel and Palestinians – in their agenda of control and their agenda of forcing the world into the Islamic Imperial Empire and Sharia Law.
Apparently, the following ships in the flotilla, do contain genuine aid – which could readily be docked and shipped by land. It’s the lead ship and its activists whose agenda is to provoke Israel to attack. Now, watch what Iran does. I maintain that Iran is the key agent in all of this.
You know damn well these scumbags wouldn’t try that against Russia. They’d just sink their boats and machine gun anyone who escapes.
The media should be forced to sit in front of their beloved “peace” protesters before they’re allowed to write one lie, er, I mean word about the issue.
Thank You Rob H. @153 AM These are these telling videos. This flotilla is loaded with cement supposedly for rebuilding houses and supplies for rebuilding water and waste lines; not as harmless as they sound. Hamas uses the cement for building bunkers and launch pads for rockets, pipe is used for manufacturing rockets. Israel lets these items in under supervision only to protect from terrorist usage. Israel has spent a fortune trying to help Palestine have clean water and waste removal, but the building of bombs is always more important to the terrorists.
The Israelis killed only 10 of the scum. A mistake.
If they had killed more the impression on the bad
guys would be greater, and the effects on the bien
pensant would be the same. Remember Stalin’s
comments on this point.
If the EU (Eunuch Nations) responded to islamic thuggery, threats, deceit and weaponization the way Israel does France, Great Britain and the other duffus nations of Europe would be much better off.
They might even start to regain their sovereignty. Note to Europe: so grow a pair already!
// The Israeli propaganda machine has reached new highs its hopeless frenzy. It has distributed menus from Gaza restaurants, along with false information. It embarrassed itself by entering a futile public relations battle, which it might have been better off never starting. They want to maintain the ineffective, illegal and unethical siege on Gaza and not let the “peace flotilla” dock off the Gaza coast? There is nothing to explain, certainly not to a world that will never buy the web of explanations, lies and tactics.
Only in Israel do people still accept these tainted goods. //
Well, he’s wrong there, eh? In certain intellectual enclaves ….
But he’s right on the next point. Heard Jay Currie explain it all —
// The propaganda operation has tried to sell us and the world the idea that the occupation of Gaza is over, but in any case, Israel has legal authority to bar humanitarian aid. All one pack of lies. //
By Gideon Levy
It’s nearly passed the time when Obama would have stepped up and stated that the Israeli army was acting stupidly.
The official reason for intercepting these ships in international waters is:
“Given the large number of vessels participating in the flotilla, an operational decision was made to undertake measures to enforce the blockade a certain distance from the area of the blockade.”
See here for the legal justification:
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Government/Law/Legal+Issues+and+Rulings/Gaza_flotilla_maritime_blockade_Gaza-Legal_background_31-May-2010.htm
Remember Hamas recently destroyed a couple homes. There was no outcry from “activists” then. Hamas creates its own humanitarian disasters as a diversion from its own clearly stated goals (read the Hamas charter)- to destroy Israel and kill Jews.
One of the things on board that is banned is blank paper. The activists refer to this as educational material to print text books. I have a feeling they wouldn’t allow those textbooks in too many schools in NA.
good summary
http://www.pjtv.com/v/3674
More here, and the Skynews commentary is good for a laugh to boot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhgt7KY1iQs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buzOWKxN2co
Sorry ET, I don’t have a chart of the Med handy to check the depth. Still, one must remember that 12 miles is not a lot of room to maneuver a large ship in. Shoals are an issue.
As to Iran being the puppeteer for this theater, I’m sure you’ll be proven right soon enough. I’d certainly be interested to know who paid for that concrete etc., and whose money they used.
Phantom
You ever see those website that are an e-trading of construction materials and raw resources? No link handy…
I wonder if some of those transactions “paid” for those supplies.
Next time just sink the whole lot of them, blame it on global warming, tell the media the boats must have sunk because of rising sea levels.
Throw something in about saving the polar bears and they will probably give you a Nobel prize.
Good Job Kate with the links.
I wrote this at the The Volokh Conspiracy
Human shields. Sound familiar? Only these idiots didn’t know thats what they where for the Hamas thugs.
Heck their not even blowing themselves up anymore when they have gullible Westerners to do it for them.
The West is rapidly becoming Dhimmi.
Until someone with power wakes up to this, the Islamistas will continue to win. After all they now get to build a monument to Jihad right on the site in NYC in which so many died from their murderous ways. Just like they do in any Country taken over historically. Just to let folks know who is really in charge.
Mean while the Worlds blows a Goat horn on Israel, calling all jooo haters to a feeding frenzy of malice. For acting like a sovereign Nation? I wonder what the British would think if Obama told them where they could live?
How England would have felt if Germany in 1945 where allowed ‘Human aide” to Germans in England.
Worse during the war.
No I stand with Israel in stopping this farce. Ive had a belly full of phony lying excuses. With condemnations on our houses from self appointed supremacists. With bullying from the “Religion of peace”! If not murder world wide. Imposing the vile sharia law on all.
By the way how are Women treated in Gaza?
JMO
May 31, 2010, 3:41 pm
By the way.
Where is the screaming and mewling over the TRULY unprovoked killing of 46 South Koreans?
I guess they should have had Kevin Neish on board.
This is the thing, however, human rights only matter to these so-called “progressives” when they come into question because of some act of the West or their allies.
It’s so often silent when the human rights are being oppressed by a communist or other leftist regime.
Kevin Neish’s father, Elgin Neish was a good example. Old Elgin was a labour leader in the Canadian fishing industry and supporter of communism as a form of social control – travelling to Moscow and China in 1952 – apparently, a big fan of Moscow and China in the early 50’s, and a big opponent to the oppressive capitalists.
Never mind about things like the Stalinist purges and the killing fields in Cambodia. Those were just “necessary” evils to secure the workers interests.
Need to check the videos again . . it is about time for Green Helmet guy to make a cameo appearances.
Just in… see the action for yourselves.
Tell me… are those people “humanitarian”? Are they “peace activists”?
Clearly, the IDF acted 100% properly. Betcha you won’t see this footage on “the news”…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LulDJh4fWI&feature=player_embedded#!
Oh, I see the vid’s already up…
I’m an Israel fan…but somehow special forces commandoes rapelling onto a ship 60 miles offshore and then claiming that they were attacked thereby justifying killing many citizens rubs me the wrong way.
It reeks of Israelis attacking an American warship in the same area killing many Americans and then claiming that it was a mistake.
It’s no wonder that there’s world condemnation and I can’t help whether mental illness is rampant in the Israeli military.
It reeks of Israelis attacking an American warship in the same area killing many Americans and then claiming that it was a mistake.
Remember the USS Liberty
Some background on the IHH Turkish relieg org that Israel banned in 2008 for its ties to radical islam.
http://thedailyrasp.blogspot.com/2010/05/how-are-peace-activists-in-gaza.html
I’m an Israel fan…but somehow special forces commandoes rapelling onto a ship 60 miles offshore and then claiming that they were attacked thereby justifying killing many citizens rubs me the wrong way.
~el gordo
If the Israelis were the blood thirsty bad guys they’re made out to be, they’d have used one or two of their submarines to torpedo the ships and nobody would have had the money, will, or resources to be able to prove it beyond mere suspicion.
Oz
If the Israelis were the blood thirsty bad guys they’re made out to be, they’d have used one or two of their submarines to torpedo the ships and nobody would have had the money, will, or resources to be able to prove it beyond mere suspicion.
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I don’t think they’re blood thirsty …they just don’t give a rat’s ass who they kill or the bad PR that goes along with it.
Boarding a ship in international waters that MAY contain materiel and killing 10 people hardly converts anyone to their cause.
In the end, it could affect their welfare payments from the US, which ultimately would affect Israelis in general.
Israelis on ship acted in self-defence: Netanyahu
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/05/31/israel-gaza-aid-death.html
The video shows the truth, the Israelis are not to blame, these morons are not peace activists, they fully deserve what they got……………
What does one expect? If you fire upon or try to beat armed soldiers, you’re going to get a snootful of lead.
Just my thoughts.
Sorry, only time for a cursory view of the comments:
International waters?
Could it have been to neutralize Pallywood Productions Inc. the greatest propaganda artists in world history.
el gordo and ol hoss – coming up with a causal explanation of ‘mental illness’ is pure nonsense.
Equally, the USS Liberty analogy is empty. After all, since both of you seem to consider the USS Liberty attack was deliberate, then, I think you’d have to provide the reason for that attack.
I can understand Israel’s actions against the ships which had stated they were carrying ‘aid’ but refused to dock at an Israeli port, unload and transport this aid by land – and refused Israeli boarding and investigating the ‘aid’.
That suggests, to me, that the ‘aid’ included contraband OR, that the refusal was a deliberate provocation to Israel- to attack. I suspect the latter.
The only issue puzzling me is – why did they carry this out in international waters.
“The tendency towards conflict is in the essence of the Arab. His existence is one of perpetual war.”-Netanyahu’s father http://j.mp/a7gePZ
38 minutes ago via web
You know what would be funny? If the official Knesset history of the 1967 War referred to a blockade as a “casus belli” http://j.mp/97jaQp
about 3 hours ago via web
It’s now more urgent than ever that the UN impose harsh sanctions on the madmen of Tehran
about 4 hours ago via web
BREAKING: Up to four congressmen to abstain from resolution pledging full support for Israel
about 5 hours ago via web
“We remain resolved to halt rise of piracy…those who commit piracy [must be] held accountable for their crimes.”-Obama http://j.mp/bvQo8k
ETC
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el gordo
You said it pal. PR. Apparently you bit.
Syncro
“Boarding a ship in international waters that MAY contain materiel and killing 10 people hardly converts anyone to their cause.
In the end, it could affect their welfare payments from the US, which ultimately would affect Israelis in general.”
~el gordo
I’m pretty sure they aren’t interested in “converting anyone to their cause”.
I’m equally sure the Israelis are more interested in the security of their people than they are about “U.S. welfare payments”.
If the U.S. became totally ambivalent about the State of Israel tomorrow, Israel would continue to get by.
But, I’m pretty sure that the U.S. views Israel as the only real dependable stabilizing force in the Middle East and so does Europe for a long list of reasons that I could give.
If the official Knesset history of the 1967 War referred to a blockade as a “casus belli”
Palestine isn’t a state but if they want to open a declared war against Israel based on the “casus belli” of a blockade, I say, “Go for it Palestinians, but don’t expect sympathy from me when you get stomped by Israel.”
Only a few disjointed thoughts on this one.
Brian Tobin. Turbot War, 1995, Spanish fishers, way outside of both International and Canadian territorial waters.
Boarded, arrested and paraded in front of the press.
Course, that was a cause du jour.
Hey Oz
Do you think it’s fair to say “they had it coming”?
Since Turkeyis going all muslim jihadi and is the source of this propaganda effort, I’d liek to suggest to the Israelis that hey should start sending “Relief Convoys: to Kurdish enclaves in eastern Turkey and demand the UNSC investigate and prosecute Turkey for the mass murder, the genocide of millions of Armenians.
Maybe if Turkey gets a little splash back of their own propaganda techniques, they’ll think twice before meddling in the affairs of other nations.
Consequences are as consequences do.
Syncro