When the concept of “multiculturalism” was introduced to Canadians, most assumed it meant more pavilions at Folkfest…
26 Replies to “Keep Things Peaceful”
Kate.
I attended planning meetings for the Edmonton Heritage Days Festival from 1989 to 1992.
(I had a Spanish girlfriend…..very nice lady).
The main concern of everyone was trying to keep warring parties as far apart as possible.
Can’t put the Jews near anyone except Christians.
Croat’s from Bosnian’s, etc.
It was pretty pathetic in hindsight.
Give the cop credit, he kept the peace. Does it really matter anymore who is right or wrong? Apparently it doesn’t.
Cops care about keeping their jobs and not getting sued by zealots representing special interest groups. So much for law and order.
Actually, this sort of behavior on the part of police is not so new, at least not in the U. S. I well remember an incident at the University of Florida, I believe it was during winter quarter 1972, when Angela Davis spoke at Graham Pond (a water-filled sinkhole that made a natural amphitheater), which was overlooked by a dormitory, Graham Hall. Large numbers of black students, as you may imagine, attended the speech.
The occupants of one of the Graham Hall rooms hung out a banner, with the rather mild admonition, “Go home, Angela,” from their window. A flying squad of about six black students attending the talk broke into their room, roughed them up, and triumphantly pulled in the banner. This was all plainly visible from street level, where several policemen were stationed; they could not have missed it. In any case, I know the attack was brought to their attention, because I was one of several witnesses to bring that brazen act of thuggery to their attention. We were told rather sharply to mind our own business, or else.
In situations like this, the police do not so much enforce the law as try to keep a lid on things, generally speaking; they will tend to lean on the party they perceive as being more docile in order to “keep the peace.” In the case I have just related, the police correctly judged the complainants–including me–to be well-behaved, orderly types who would defer to their authority, whereas the guys who committed the room invasion cum assault and battery would probably not be quite as compliant in submitting to arrest. The cops “kept the peace” in the easiest–though, of course, not the fairest–way.
I saw several similar episodes during my years at UF in the early ’70s, with the violence and/or disruption always being carried out by aggrieved leftist and/or minority students, while the police simply stood by. I’m convinced that the success of the left in taking over so many college campuses was largely due to their willingness to use violence and intimidation, in counterpoint to the reluctance of conservatives to use them. The apothegm above your posts, “I’m starting to think the not-showing-up-to-riot is a failed conservative policy,” sums things up pretty well.
… “Lady Justice is often depicted wearing a blindfold. This is done in order to indicate that justice is (or should be) meted out objectively, without fear or favor, regardless of identity, money, power, or weakness: blind justice and blind impartiality”. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Justice
The Liberal’s idea of justice and political correctness, fails this test.
I appreciate that the police are just trying to keep the peace, but if that’s the case, why didn’t they tell Ali Mallah that he’s not allow to menace or lay his hands on someone standing on the street who isn’t breaking any law? Over and over again – like whenever there’s an anti-Israel protest – we see members of various Canadian police telling the *peaceful* parties to not cause trouble.
Anyone else get the feeling that if Arnie had put his hands on Ali Mallah, the police wouldn’t be telling Ali Mallah to “keep things peaceful?”
Ah well, at least Arnie handled himself perfectly.
Carlos- You may be right on the thinking that confronting the agrieved may be the quickest way to diffuse a potentially volatile situation, but that should NOT be the end of it!
It’s essential that the perpetrators be held accountable, and if that means doing a roust after the sparks have subsided, then the authorities need to do it then! They know who they are!
No more of this willful blindfolded ignorance of duty and responsibility of your frickin’ job!
Sadly, it’s the rot from the top that’s to blame for all the ingrained mush-headedness.
I just want to reiterate that Palestine House is located in Mississauga, which oddly enough celebrated its yearly “folkfest,” Carassauga, this past weekend.
So while the taxpayer-funded P House could have opened up its doors to the public, it opted instead to organize a trip to Toronto to rough up videographers and waive the Hizb’Allah flag.
By the way, they lost money on the enterprise and were reduced to asking for donations as they wound things down (as far as I can tell all they did was rent a yellow school bus).
>>Croat’s from Bosnian’s, etc.
The Serb and Croat pavilions are always at opposite ends of the site. I also remember that whenever there was a soccer game, back in the days, between a Serb and a Croat team it always ended in violence; one of the reasons that soccer is a bit of a joke in Edmonton, since it is usually an excuse of inter-ethnic fighting.
cops are unionized buros, don’t expect them to do what’s right.
EBD @ 9:29 describes precisely what it has come to in the Canada with the comment ‘Anyone else get the feeling that if Arnie had put his hands on Ali Mallah, the police wouldn’t be telling Ali Mallah to “keep things peaceful?”‘.
So the social rot, evident at Caledonia, is spreading through the rest of the province.
That’s to be expected.
If the police won’t uphold the law, there is no law and it’s time to take the law into my own hands.
The laws were made to keep the peace.
If the police won’t enforce the laws then they aren’t keeping the peace.
Justice delayed is justice denied.
In situations like this, the police do not so much enforce the law as try to keep a lid on things, generally speaking; they will tend to lean on the party they perceive as being more docile in order to “keep the peace.”
– Carlos Perera at May 31, 2010 9:14 PM
I don’t know how to say it in spanish, but you’ve never made a truer statement in your life.
The cops are unionized state agents with nice pensions and benefits.
They aren’t interested in grand la-de-da concepts like free speech and law and order. They want a nice life, and as you say, it’s a whole lot safer to push back on the docile. I discovered this about regulators too — police of a sort: they definitely tend to devote most of their energies to trivial stuff ‘cos tormenting the already compliant is a low risk strategy.
Clearly, our western-wide elites made a tragic decision decades ago to pursue multiculturalism, the wholesale importation of warm, mostly brown, hostile benefit-seeking bodies from the demog hot spots, with a view of having them bail us out of our social security/welfare ponzi scheme.
They simply can’t admit it’s a bust so, as you say, they must keep a “lid on it”. And that, fellow sda-ists is how sharia law is a-comin’!
Oz, you are correct in a most fundamental truth.
“The laws were made to keep the peace. If the police won’t enforce the laws then they aren’t keeping the peace. Justice delayed is justice denied.”
Arizona’s illegal immigrant legislation is a concrete response to a dithering and long standing call for the federal government to enforce its own responsibilities for border security.
Anyone for illegal native smuggling of cigarettes…guns…drugs?
Hello Canada? Anyone home?
Thought not…..
Try sleeping at night with two Aboriginal/Metis crack houses on your street.
Tip: Don’t register your knives, bats yada yada…
Peter Milot
[…….Anyone for illegal native smuggling of cigarettes…guns…drugs?]
Simple…
Three factions:
1) the control freaks (smoke nazi’s) nothing to do with health or tax revenue—just control.
2) Those rebelling against the control freaks….
3) Those who couldn’t care less….
Basically it is the same situation as the US during alcohol prohibition.
Unlike drugs…..booze and tobacco are large constituencies.
The control freaks are a miniscule minority.
BCF certainly showed restraint, if I’d been in that situation my response to being shoved would have been a steel toed boot to the islamofascist’s balls. It’s also completely legal for the person who didn’t initiate the use of force to respond in kind. That the police do absolutely nothing is incomprehensible although maybe Caledonia is the new precedent for policing in Ontario. I’m curious if all of the traffic cameras and various local business security cameras are turned off whenever the islamofascists gather?
Loki, if you engage, you have to practice the 5 second rule; where you get 5 seconds to do as much physical damage to your attacker as you can before the first cop truncheon smashes down on your head..
Probably 15 years ago now I made a few statements to fellow workers about how I didn’t agree with Folkfest. We had been awarded the contract to supply all pavilions with a certain product. I told them that I felt that it [ folkfest] emphasized differences instead of promoting Canada as a whole. I was told I was nuts . I needed to lighten up! What harm was celebrating where everyone came from ? Well, I don’t work there any longer and I don;t know if any opinions would have changed but I do still think i’m right and it is becoming more and more obvious that encouraging people [ with my tax dollars] to promote their culture is not a uniting thing but rather promotes what divides us.
“The police are not here to create disorder, they’re here to preserve disorder…” Mayor Daley, Chicago, 1968
First the good news: Ontario’s police forces are not unionized.
Now the bad news: it doesn’t make any difference.
Jamie, Toronto Police are union. And lazy. And have a long history of doing this kind of crap.
The OPP however have raised it to a high art in Caledonia and are using the same methods at the Aboriginal toll booth on Highway 11 in Couchiching First Nation. That’s the Trans Canada near Ft. Francis. The sons of biscuits are STOPPING ALL TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD and demanding a “toll” of one dollar per car.
OPP are letting them. OPP are warning drivers not to get uppity with the nice Indian protesters.
Right now. Today.
So if you think you need to video a parade where Leftist lunatics are waving the flag of our country’s enemies (Hamas, Hisbola, PLO, what have you), wear a jock, wear a helmet and have your lawyer set up to bail you out of jail. And use a cheap camera, that way you won’t be sad when they break it.
With the odd exception, police are first and foremost ordered to be politically correct. Defending lawbreakers is PC if they happen to be: Green, Islamic, FN, or any other favoured minority. The rule of law no longer exists where PC dominates. A police officer “may” intervene if they witness, say, a murder being committed by the favoured minority.
The more we permit this kind of behavior, the more emboldened the thugs will become.
What’s more, if Muslims want to maintain a Palestine House, then let them do so using their own money, and not that of the canadian taxpayers.
And by the way, there’s also a ‘Palestine House’ in Montréal, and it, too, is probably funded by taxpayers.
It’s becomming a kind of racket, a tax-payer funded make-work project for professional Jew-haters
Police, like those hired to uphold the law?
And you are still buying this load of BS?
Kate.
I attended planning meetings for the Edmonton Heritage Days Festival from 1989 to 1992.
(I had a Spanish girlfriend…..very nice lady).
The main concern of everyone was trying to keep warring parties as far apart as possible.
Can’t put the Jews near anyone except Christians.
Croat’s from Bosnian’s, etc.
It was pretty pathetic in hindsight.
Give the cop credit, he kept the peace. Does it really matter anymore who is right or wrong? Apparently it doesn’t.
Cops care about keeping their jobs and not getting sued by zealots representing special interest groups. So much for law and order.
Actually, this sort of behavior on the part of police is not so new, at least not in the U. S. I well remember an incident at the University of Florida, I believe it was during winter quarter 1972, when Angela Davis spoke at Graham Pond (a water-filled sinkhole that made a natural amphitheater), which was overlooked by a dormitory, Graham Hall. Large numbers of black students, as you may imagine, attended the speech.
The occupants of one of the Graham Hall rooms hung out a banner, with the rather mild admonition, “Go home, Angela,” from their window. A flying squad of about six black students attending the talk broke into their room, roughed them up, and triumphantly pulled in the banner. This was all plainly visible from street level, where several policemen were stationed; they could not have missed it. In any case, I know the attack was brought to their attention, because I was one of several witnesses to bring that brazen act of thuggery to their attention. We were told rather sharply to mind our own business, or else.
In situations like this, the police do not so much enforce the law as try to keep a lid on things, generally speaking; they will tend to lean on the party they perceive as being more docile in order to “keep the peace.” In the case I have just related, the police correctly judged the complainants–including me–to be well-behaved, orderly types who would defer to their authority, whereas the guys who committed the room invasion cum assault and battery would probably not be quite as compliant in submitting to arrest. The cops “kept the peace” in the easiest–though, of course, not the fairest–way.
I saw several similar episodes during my years at UF in the early ’70s, with the violence and/or disruption always being carried out by aggrieved leftist and/or minority students, while the police simply stood by. I’m convinced that the success of the left in taking over so many college campuses was largely due to their willingness to use violence and intimidation, in counterpoint to the reluctance of conservatives to use them. The apothegm above your posts, “I’m starting to think the not-showing-up-to-riot is a failed conservative policy,” sums things up pretty well.
… “Lady Justice is often depicted wearing a blindfold. This is done in order to indicate that justice is (or should be) meted out objectively, without fear or favor, regardless of identity, money, power, or weakness: blind justice and blind impartiality”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Justice
The Liberal’s idea of justice and political correctness, fails this test.
I appreciate that the police are just trying to keep the peace, but if that’s the case, why didn’t they tell Ali Mallah that he’s not allow to menace or lay his hands on someone standing on the street who isn’t breaking any law? Over and over again – like whenever there’s an anti-Israel protest – we see members of various Canadian police telling the *peaceful* parties to not cause trouble.
Anyone else get the feeling that if Arnie had put his hands on Ali Mallah, the police wouldn’t be telling Ali Mallah to “keep things peaceful?”
Ah well, at least Arnie handled himself perfectly.
Carlos- You may be right on the thinking that confronting the agrieved may be the quickest way to diffuse a potentially volatile situation, but that should NOT be the end of it!
It’s essential that the perpetrators be held accountable, and if that means doing a roust after the sparks have subsided, then the authorities need to do it then! They know who they are!
No more of this willful blindfolded ignorance of duty and responsibility of your frickin’ job!
Sadly, it’s the rot from the top that’s to blame for all the ingrained mush-headedness.
I just want to reiterate that Palestine House is located in Mississauga, which oddly enough celebrated its yearly “folkfest,” Carassauga, this past weekend.
So while the taxpayer-funded P House could have opened up its doors to the public, it opted instead to organize a trip to Toronto to rough up videographers and waive the Hizb’Allah flag.
By the way, they lost money on the enterprise and were reduced to asking for donations as they wound things down (as far as I can tell all they did was rent a yellow school bus).
More pavilions at Folkfest in France
http://www.fdesouche.com/117533-tas-pas-un-06
>>Croat’s from Bosnian’s, etc.
The Serb and Croat pavilions are always at opposite ends of the site. I also remember that whenever there was a soccer game, back in the days, between a Serb and a Croat team it always ended in violence; one of the reasons that soccer is a bit of a joke in Edmonton, since it is usually an excuse of inter-ethnic fighting.
cops are unionized buros, don’t expect them to do what’s right.
EBD @ 9:29 describes precisely what it has come to in the Canada with the comment ‘Anyone else get the feeling that if Arnie had put his hands on Ali Mallah, the police wouldn’t be telling Ali Mallah to “keep things peaceful?”‘.
So the social rot, evident at Caledonia, is spreading through the rest of the province.
That’s to be expected.
If the police won’t uphold the law, there is no law and it’s time to take the law into my own hands.
The laws were made to keep the peace.
If the police won’t enforce the laws then they aren’t keeping the peace.
Justice delayed is justice denied.
In situations like this, the police do not so much enforce the law as try to keep a lid on things, generally speaking; they will tend to lean on the party they perceive as being more docile in order to “keep the peace.”
– Carlos Perera at May 31, 2010 9:14 PM
I don’t know how to say it in spanish, but you’ve never made a truer statement in your life.
The cops are unionized state agents with nice pensions and benefits.
They aren’t interested in grand la-de-da concepts like free speech and law and order. They want a nice life, and as you say, it’s a whole lot safer to push back on the docile. I discovered this about regulators too — police of a sort: they definitely tend to devote most of their energies to trivial stuff ‘cos tormenting the already compliant is a low risk strategy.
Clearly, our western-wide elites made a tragic decision decades ago to pursue multiculturalism, the wholesale importation of warm, mostly brown, hostile benefit-seeking bodies from the demog hot spots, with a view of having them bail us out of our social security/welfare ponzi scheme.
They simply can’t admit it’s a bust so, as you say, they must keep a “lid on it”. And that, fellow sda-ists is how sharia law is a-comin’!
Oz, you are correct in a most fundamental truth.
“The laws were made to keep the peace. If the police won’t enforce the laws then they aren’t keeping the peace. Justice delayed is justice denied.”
Arizona’s illegal immigrant legislation is a concrete response to a dithering and long standing call for the federal government to enforce its own responsibilities for border security.
Anyone for illegal native smuggling of cigarettes…guns…drugs?
Hello Canada? Anyone home?
Thought not…..
Try sleeping at night with two Aboriginal/Metis crack houses on your street.
Tip: Don’t register your knives, bats yada yada…
Peter Milot
[…….Anyone for illegal native smuggling of cigarettes…guns…drugs?]
Simple…
Three factions:
1) the control freaks (smoke nazi’s) nothing to do with health or tax revenue—just control.
2) Those rebelling against the control freaks….
3) Those who couldn’t care less….
Basically it is the same situation as the US during alcohol prohibition.
Unlike drugs…..booze and tobacco are large constituencies.
The control freaks are a miniscule minority.
BCF certainly showed restraint, if I’d been in that situation my response to being shoved would have been a steel toed boot to the islamofascist’s balls. It’s also completely legal for the person who didn’t initiate the use of force to respond in kind. That the police do absolutely nothing is incomprehensible although maybe Caledonia is the new precedent for policing in Ontario. I’m curious if all of the traffic cameras and various local business security cameras are turned off whenever the islamofascists gather?
Loki, if you engage, you have to practice the 5 second rule; where you get 5 seconds to do as much physical damage to your attacker as you can before the first cop truncheon smashes down on your head..
Probably 15 years ago now I made a few statements to fellow workers about how I didn’t agree with Folkfest. We had been awarded the contract to supply all pavilions with a certain product. I told them that I felt that it [ folkfest] emphasized differences instead of promoting Canada as a whole. I was told I was nuts . I needed to lighten up! What harm was celebrating where everyone came from ? Well, I don’t work there any longer and I don;t know if any opinions would have changed but I do still think i’m right and it is becoming more and more obvious that encouraging people [ with my tax dollars] to promote their culture is not a uniting thing but rather promotes what divides us.
“The police are not here to create disorder, they’re here to preserve disorder…” Mayor Daley, Chicago, 1968
First the good news: Ontario’s police forces are not unionized.
Now the bad news: it doesn’t make any difference.
Jamie, Toronto Police are union. And lazy. And have a long history of doing this kind of crap.
The OPP however have raised it to a high art in Caledonia and are using the same methods at the Aboriginal toll booth on Highway 11 in Couchiching First Nation. That’s the Trans Canada near Ft. Francis. The sons of biscuits are STOPPING ALL TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD and demanding a “toll” of one dollar per car.
OPP are letting them. OPP are warning drivers not to get uppity with the nice Indian protesters.
Right now. Today.
So if you think you need to video a parade where Leftist lunatics are waving the flag of our country’s enemies (Hamas, Hisbola, PLO, what have you), wear a jock, wear a helmet and have your lawyer set up to bail you out of jail. And use a cheap camera, that way you won’t be sad when they break it.
With the odd exception, police are first and foremost ordered to be politically correct. Defending lawbreakers is PC if they happen to be: Green, Islamic, FN, or any other favoured minority. The rule of law no longer exists where PC dominates. A police officer “may” intervene if they witness, say, a murder being committed by the favoured minority.
The more we permit this kind of behavior, the more emboldened the thugs will become.
What’s more, if Muslims want to maintain a Palestine House, then let them do so using their own money, and not that of the canadian taxpayers.
And by the way, there’s also a ‘Palestine House’ in Montréal, and it, too, is probably funded by taxpayers.
It’s becomming a kind of racket, a tax-payer funded make-work project for professional Jew-haters
Police, like those hired to uphold the law?
And you are still buying this load of BS?