SDA Gets Results!


UPDATE!! According to John Baird (on Charles Adler) Gilles Duceppe will have veto power over every single bill put forward by the coaltion.
Oh man, I do think I see the twinkling of the asteroid about to extinguish the Liberal Party as we now know it.
If it doesn’t take out Confederation first.
Related thoughts from Kelly McParland.

214 Replies to “SDA Gets Results!”

  1. I would hope so,Robert W. That shithole Brison is on TV right now saying that this coalition will put people before politics,except their votes won’t count anymore. I guess this $30 billion stimulus won’t put us in a deficit either.

  2. We should also be emailing Danny Millions and say thanks. He could well have been the tipping point for this coup with his ill thought out hissy fit. Had he shut his egotistical big mouth and let the federal election run its course, PMSH could well have the majority he deserved.
    I have some good Nfld friends here in Ab but I hope Danny rots in he**. Hope the new coalition treats you well Danny boy.

  3. I think we need to keep in mind that ‘electing’ a Prime Minister is not akin to electing a president or even a king. Perhaps you should brush up on how it is a parliamentary democracy actually works – I do not understand how what is going can be so shocking to the morals of a rational person or even be construed as illegal. Two-thirds of the population did not vote for Harper or the CPC and if those two-thirds should choose to speak up in parliament, so be it – it is within their rights to do so. If Harper were to cling on to power at the expense of parliamentary progress (by which I mean proroguing parliament), it would indeed be the only un-democractic action in this whole debacle.
    Also, does anyone remember Harper seeking a similar action when he was in the opposition?…Irony.

  4. I must congratulate ET, you called two events bang on:
    – when Dion was elected LPC Leader you said he would tax the west and give it to Quebec and Ont – ie – the Green Shift
    – as the election results of last month unfolded, you said the reason Dion didn’t resign outright is he wanted to take one more crack at the PM job – hence, the coalition
    This measure is without support from Canadians, if any straw polls are indicative (BTW, they are just as indicative as arguments like 62% of Canadian voted “against” Harper). The only one I could find that gives majority to the idea of coalition was question as to whether or not GG had authority to grant coalition request – we already knew she did anyway.
    As Norman Spector has rightfully pointed out, the GG is under to obligation to do anything. Her range of options is full – from disollution to granting coalition wishes, to doing nothing or telling parliamentarians to try to work out their differences.
    Harper must immediately request meeting with President Obama within a day or two of his inauguration (22 Jan 09?), as preparation for his budget in late Jan 09. This is necessary to coordinate the US response to the US auto industry bailout, given our cooperation under the Auto Pact. Action is that area would be very irresponsible without US cooperation and coordination.
    So, Harper WILL prorogue parliament until then. As far as the howling, ET is right, this coalition coup has been planned from day one, involves an unprecedented minority coalition which disenfranchises residents of 9 of ten provinces plus the territories. All financial legislation decisions would require the approval of a party which refuses to/cannot run candidates outside Quebec.
    From now on, if coalition succeeds, minority governments can be automatically invalidated. It means parties can say they won’t have coalition during election campaign, change their minds, and have GG appoint a PM who was the last choice of Canadians during the actual election, whether the voters like it or not.
    On almost any level, this seems unlikely to happen, but momentum is building, and Canadians will find out, too late, that their decision, under our system of government, has been disregarded.
    I say so be it then, and let the chips fall where they may. Here are two indisputable outcomes: First, Quebecers may now vote for a sovereigntist party, secure in the knowledge they will have full control over the affairs of state for all Canadians. Second, westerners will feel they’ve been bitch slapped, they will be told how to handle their affairs, such as oilsands production, with no recourse but to pay $billions. That will undoubtably sow the seeds of western separation, make no mistake about that.
    Oh, BTW, is the only argument against necessity of election is its cost. Hmm, wouldn’t government and other parties be spending money on signs, jobs for workers such as returning officers, and offering goodies. Surely that would be stimulative ne c’est pas?
    Our default position has always been stable governments, even in minority, with elections to decide. Coalition proponents would have us believe the exception is the rule, even though, while we’ve had minority governments and coalitions, we’ve never had one where the coalition was in minority, and appointed without election.
    The last time GG refused to dissolve parliament, it was in response to request of PM who had just LOST the federal election (no not be adding up those votes that didn’t go for Harper, and assuming they support coalition). If 10% of Liberal voters would have been swayed by coalition platform (which was explicitly rejected by Mr Dion himself), that would likely have resulted in Harper majority.
    I know, facts don’t matter anymore. Pure emotion, pure drama is the order of the day. BTW, this make nice with coalition is nonsense; they have been at war with Harper since day one and clearly have never accepted the results of the last election. So this is war – to paraphrase Scott “Beer and Popcorn” Reid, Conservatives must kill the coalition, period.
    Use whatever means are necessary within our constitution Mr Harper – prorogue, approach GG ex parte to get sense of what she is thinking, block coalition procedurally at every turn. Force the coalition to take their proposals and platform to the people in a general election. Take the GG to court if you have to.
    This is war. You must win. Do everything in your purview to stop one of the most unpopular Canadian political leaders in our history from becoming PM without benefit of election.
    The day we decide who are leaders are, in direct repudiation of their election campaign statements, to be given the reins of government by partisan appointed GG, I, and many others, will want out.
    Don’t worry, we will rely on elections, not procedural tricks.

  5. This just in from the Garlic News (Onion was taken): Caesar Chavez is reportedly writing to governor General Jean demanding to be invited to the coalition too.
    There’s a tear in my beer
    ’cause I’m crying for you dear,
    Canada as we knew it.
    I haven’t worn the maple leaf on my shoulder
    (besides my tattoo) in over 15-20 year but sign me up for Plains of Abraham, Part Deux. I don’t have a M-16 or C-7 but a Lee-Enfield would probably do.
    Damn the poutine, full speed ahead. Forget about Labatt’s and Molson. They’ve sold out their canadian soul.
    If I convert my RRSPs into gold bouillon then I could pour my keel with it and sail out of this circus.

  6. I think we need to keep in mind that ‘electing’ a Prime Minister is not akin to electing a president or even a king. Perhaps you should brush up on how it is a parliamentary democracy actually works – I do not understand how what is going can be so shocking to the morals of a rational person or even be construed as illegal. Two-thirds of the population did not vote for Harper or the CPC and if those two-thirds should choose to speak up in parliament, so be it – it is within their rights to do so. If Harper were to cling on to power at the expense of parliamentary progress (by which I mean proroguing parliament), it would indeed be the only un-democractic action in this whole debacle.
    Also, does anyone remember Harper seeking a similar action when he was in the opposition?…Irony.

  7. If this coalition gets into power I think we should make sure that the guy in jail who was going to behead the Prime Minister gets bail and a very sharp knife right away.

  8. “Also, does anyone remember Harper seeking a similar action when he was in the opposition?…Irony.”
    That’s because the Liberals were being assailed, constantly hammered because of adscam. Not only did parliament lose confidence in the Liberal party, Canadians did as well.
    The same cannot be said about the Conservatives, in fact their mandate was strengthened in the last election(a mere 6 weeks ago!).
    Two totally different situations. You cannot even begin to compare the two.

  9. I’m getting really tired of hearing that this is legitimate because he didn’t get fifty per cent of the votes. It may be legal but it’s certainly not legitimate.
    When this mess is settled it may be time to push for a constitutional amendment banning coalition governments. I think we can see how a coalition is going to work. Not well.
    And only a leftist can cry $300 million is too much to spend on an election but $30 billion for a “stimulus package” is just enough.

  10. alain – you can’t merge the different political parties and declare them ONE. You can’t say that because 60% of the vote was for the Liberals, NDP, Bloc, Green – and Marxist-Leninist, Communist, Libertarian etc parties – that this SET of ALL OTHERS deserves to be defined as the legitimate government.
    The system operates not by aggregating all the parties but by voting for ONE political party. That party ‘wins’ the govt because the electorate has chosen THAT PARTY as the winner. It is absolutely unacceptable to coalesce all the parties that didn’t win and lump them into one.
    Furthermore, we are, I hope, a democracy. We vote for our government. We don’t accept backroom deals outside of the electorate as legitimate representations of our will. That type of behaviour, an oligarchy, or call it simple thuggery, belongs in third world countries. Not in a democracy.
    Think about it. This is setting up a precedent where any time a financial bill is introduced, all the Opposition vote against it, and then, immediately demand to be named as, together, the New Government. Without going to the people. Bypassing the will of the people. In a minority situation, that would mean a new government every fiscal year. Without an election.
    And think further about this deal – it’s setting up Quebec as essentially the Emperor, the Caesar, the Napoleon, of Canada. No parliamentary decision can be made without being approved by Quebec. Canada is no longer being represented by its elected representatives, but run by one province, Quebec. And the members of the Quebec party, are totally offlimits to over 80% of the electorate.
    Is Canada a democracy?

  11. I suppose the way these clowns think, if ten million people show up to rally on Saturday it won’t matter because twenty million didn’t.

  12. I’m p**d off that these fools are mucking with our rightful government and democratic process.. We don’t overthrow governments this way in Canada. I don’t hear anyone saying Treason! But I’m saying it. And I’m going to keep saying and hope others join me! I’m not an expert in constitutional law, and this little scenario may just blow itself out. I’m an ordinary citizen, I shouldn’t have to wonder what the h**ll is going on?, and how serious is it?.
    This is how the little demagogues in third world counties take over, they just walk in and push the elected government aside. If she’s going to buy into it I say get rid of this GG, term over!
    Now we can see what Dion, Layton and Duceppe are all about, they have so much disdain for you and I, the voter, that they will act treasonously to take control….for their own benefit.
    Traitors All! I’m just afraid that we haven’t the wherewithall in this country to withstand this scheme. Someone calm me down!

  13. “The Prime Minister and Cabinet must enjoy the confidence of the House of Commons to remain in office. Confidence, in effect, means the support of a majority of the House.”
    www2.parl.gc.ca/MarleauMontpetit/DocumentViewer.aspx?Sec=Ch01&Seq=2&Lang=E

  14. Kate McMillian: “THIS ISN’T FAIR!!!”
    Haha this is sooooooooo sweet. I am absolutely loving every minute of this.

  15. Exactly, ET. You can’t just add up the number of people who voted for the individual coalition member parties and say that the sum total is the number of people who support the coalition. Many — millions? — of people who voted for one of the (now) coalition parties voted for their choice of party for the specific purpose of stopping another party that is now a member of the coalition. Some voted BQ because they hate the Liberals, for example, and some voted Liberal to stop the NDP.
    Not one single Canadian voted for a coalition government propped up by the separatists.
    My level of hatred for the Liberals has absolutely gone through the roof. Unelected insiders like Chretien and Broadbent cobble together a coup, and then the man who will lead comes right out and says that instead of letting Canadians decide who will lead them, a bunch of backroom insiders will decide instead for our own good:
    “We are ready to form a new government that will address the best interests of the people instead of plunging Canadians into another election.”
    You heard that right, it’s in our best interests to have no say in who forms the government. Politicians from the losing party will decide for us instead of “plunging us” into a situation where Canadians would have a say.
    This is a war on democracy.

  16. loke, my husband and I are self employed. I refuse to send installments and haven’t for the 10 years in business. They call and I tell them they will get the whole amount at years end. I have never been forced to make installments and I won’t. My husband may work for three weeks but because of health reasons it could end tomorrow. If I start they will hound me to no end.
    Next April they may get their check say around August or maybe not.

  17. You know, all of a sudden the Leftists care what, exactly, the Constitution actually says, as written.
    How convenient for them… this time.
    Remember when they were claiming that the Constitution is a “living document”?
    Well, funny, that… if it’s a “living document”, then maybe we the people will decide that it has changed, and we’ll declare that the germane part of the Constitution cited by the Left does NOT allow the Left to do what they’re doing… hey, it’s a living document, after all, so…!!!
    Irony of ironies… ah, but then again, we’re talking about the Left… and, of course, this time they’ll forget, conveniently, that they ever said anything about “living document” and “reading-in” and “interpretation”…
    The Left only cares about what the Constitution actually says as written… only when it suits their extremist agenda. Like this time.
    What a massive flipflop on the part of the Left! From reading-in stuff that ain’t there to as-written literalist.
    They’re even more foul and disgusting than a loaded, clogged toilet in a Mexican restaurant… in Mexico.
    That said, constitutional or not, it’s not legitimate, as I said in my post. They have NOT made their case. There is no state of emergency to justify this radically extreme move. There’s no WMD! They haven’t proven it! Haven’t made the case!
    It’s really all about getting rid of Harper and the Conservatives. If they can’t do it democratically, they’ll seek to do it some other way, on false pretenses.
    No Putsch in Canada!
    They’re going to be sorry. The People will see to it.
    This Putsch will NOT last long. Even the one in the USSR in 1991 lasted only three days, ending in the complete collapse of the USSR!
    That %$&##^&$ Left!

  18. “The leader of the party having the support of the majority of the Members of the House of Commons is asked by the Governor General to form a government and becomes the Prime Minister.”
    www2.parl.gc.ca/MarleauMontpetit/DocumentViewer.aspx?Sec=Ch01&Seq=2&Lang=E

  19. Dear ET, Shannow, & Netty:
    “Alain” is indicative of the Left & Radical Left in this country. They do NOT believe in Democracy. They do NOT believe in Free Speech. They do NOT believe in Freedom.
    Even after I went to the trouble to gather all the historical facts in every election since Confederation, such thugs just ignore it.
    I’ll ask the question again, like I’ve been asking all day:
    Is there even one good reason why an election should not be forced by the GG?
    It can’t be about the cost because the Cabal de Trois has already announced they plan to waste … errr “spend” $30 Billion very quickly.
    It can’t be about a lack of interest because every Canadian I talk to is very interested to vote.
    And it can’t be about precedent because there has NEVER been any event anything similar to this.
    If Ms. Jean declares that there must be an election then she will be viewed as honourable and just by all concerned. Oh sure, some will not *like* such a decision but they can’t say it’s wrong.

  20. So, let’s see:
    “The Prime Minister and Cabinet must enjoy the confidence of the House of Commons to remain in office. Confidence, in effect, means the support of a majority of the House.”
    And,
    “The leader of the party having the support of the majority of the Members of the House of Commons is asked by the Governor General to form a government and becomes the Prime Minister.”
    This has nothing to do with who YOU voted for, it has everything to do with having the support of the majority of MPs.
    Suck it up, Cons. This is not a coup…this is the parliamentary system in action.

  21. Toronto M.P. Jack Layton was born, raised and for the most part educated in Hudson, Quebec.
    The new coalition government “leadership” is totally rooted in Quebec and its rotten culture of entitlement. Bred right into the assholes.

  22. Robert, I’d love to have an election round about the second week of January.
    I’m a firm believer in the law of unintended consequences and I’m sure something unintended is about to happen.
    I just have no idea what.
    I still think Harper is a hell of a lot smarter than the three stooges. That’s why the lefties hate him so much. Plus he’s mean, and arrogant, and fat. Did I forget any?
    I guess we’ll see what happens…

  23. better hide you wallets and purses, cuz here comes the socialist coalition government…

  24. Here’s one for the constitutional “just-add-water” experts on the left:
    http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/12/01/michael-bliss-unstable-coalition-is-a-powderkeg-under-canada.aspx
    “The constitutional ‘experts’ who point out that Governor-General Michaëlle Jean could legitimately ask Stéphane Dion to try to form a government are correct but superficial. They don’t take into account the responsibility the Governor-General would have to consider the circumstances.
    “Ms. Jean and her advisors would have to note that a party with 143 seats in the House of Commons would be defeated by an alliance of the Liberals, NDP and a Quebec-based political party explicitly and historically dedicated to the destruction of Canada. The Conservatives cannot be defeated except by Bloc Québécois votes.
    “If this were to happen, and Mr. Harper were denied a request to test the sentiments of Canadians with a new election, and a Liberal-NDP coalition, commanding 117 seats in the House, took office, the day-to-day power of the separatist party in the Canadian Parliament would be hugely enhanced, whether or not it had made a back-room deal with the leaders of the coalition.
    “I do not believe that the Governor-General can possibly allow herself to be complicit in such events. If the Conservatives are brought down by a separatist party, Ms. Jean would have to accede to the Prime Minister’s request to test the will of Canadians. To refuse to do this would be an abuse of vice-regal power, an abuse that would raise fundamental questions about Ms. Jean’s loyalty to the Constitution and to Canada. I doubt there is a precedent for such a situation in the history of parliaments.”

  25. The GG is obviously not an expert on the Constitution. Does anyone know who the GG consults for advice if she is unsure of her decision? Can her decision be challenged in court? Is this purely a legal decision or does public sentiment and unity considerations carry some weight?

  26. I think we have the basis of talking points below. Thanks Cliff from a Toronto TV news site:
    http://www.cp24.com/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20081201/081201_harper_plans/20081201/?hub=CP24Home
    “The nature of politics is partisan…and those who claim that Harper is being overly partisan are not being realistic.
    No party has been more partisan then the Liberal Party of Canada. It’s easy to constantly criticize, but they have yet to suggest one concrete economic solution. Why…because they have no concrete policies that Canadians would accept as proven in the lsat election.
    Is this not the same party that tried to dissuade Canadians to vote against the Conservatives in 2006 claiming they would crawl into bed with the seperatists…and now we have the LPC after having 74% of Canadians vote against them wanting to form a government a mere (6) weeks after the Conservatives received a stronger mandate from the Canadian people…despite tens of millions of dollars being spent by the (4) opposition parties trying to demonize Harper…without success.
    NOW…since their partisan scare tactics didn’t fool Canadians…and Dion’s promise never to form a coalition…they will now try to steal power with the same coalition that he promised he would never form…with one change…the approval of those who want to break up the country.
    And…finally is this the same Dion that said he spoke the truth in both languages better the Harper…now being caught in a lie in an attempt to steal power…and the opposition talks of partisanship…”

  27. Here’s how the Canadian public is served by the Office of the Governor-General (an automatic reply I received this afternoon after sending an e-mail decrying the coalition’s hijacking of democracy):
    [begin quote]
    Thank you for writing to the Office of the Secretary to the Governor General. We appreciate hearing your views and suggestions. Responses to specific inquiries can be expected within two to three weeks. Please note that many of the e-mails we receive are in the form of comments or opinions and do not receive a reply. Content that is of an offensive or commercial nature will not receive a response.
    Due to the large quantity of incoming correspondence, we also cannot reply to e-mails inquiring about the status of a previous request. Thank you for your understanding.
    [end quote]
    Note the last paragraph. If we didn’t respond to your concern, don’t bother writing to ask what its status is, because we don’t/won’t bother to tell you.
    In other words, your concern can be completely ignored but you have no recourse to asking for, or expecting, accountability from the G-G’s Office.
    Cana-banana-da Republic.

  28. Don’t be stupid, lberia, your quotes ignore the reality of the will of the electorate. Our government cannot operate as a cabal; that is, it cannot operate such that the party with the most seats is rejected – and a coalition of two or three or four or more parties, each with less seats, gets to form the government.
    That would be to deny the will of the people. It may surprise you, lberia, but Canada is not an oligarchy. Its government is not decided by backroom deals made by and only by parties. it is decided by the Will of the People.
    You may choose to spit on this will and on democracy – but – most of us are committed to the freedom that democracy requires and offers, rather than any desire to go along with the powerbrokering of backroom deals.

  29. …or consider this one, Kate. The Liberals and the NDP have a good working relationship, resulting future united fronts, thus resulting in a conservative realignment to the left in order to compete with them.
    Can I say again, that I am really…and I mean REALLY, enjoying this.
    Thanks.

  30. My Letter to the GG
    I voted for the party i wanted to govern in this election.That party happened to be Conservative.I DID NOT vote for Jack Layton,Stephane Dion or Gilles Duceppe or any combination thereof.
    If they want to take down the government then send us back to the Polls, because having a government of 114 seats and being held to ransom on every bill by the Bloc is not what I want for Canada.
    In my opinion this is treasonous and nothing but a power grab.I strongly urge to put a stop to this…and do the right thing.I am so angry and everyone i have spoke to agrees this is not my Canada..and i did not vote for them.Enough said!!!!!

  31. So Steve you are saying that this Liberal/Socialist political alignment will ensure in the future that they can secure power by a more democratic means? Such as an election?

  32. I didn’t realize John Baird was part of the coalition. He must of secretly taped some conversations to get this info.

  33. Gawsh, the NDP and the Fiberals crawling into bed together, anyone remember what happened to the Sask Liberal Party last time they bedded down with the socialistas?

  34. Uh-oh… I just remembered that the current Governor General, appointed by a Liberal PM, is a Quebec separatist.
    See? This is the problem with the appointment of this person to be GG.
    Now is the time to demand she prove her loyalty to Canada. Merely declaring (under obvious duress) it is one thing, demonstrating it is another.
    Refuse the request of the hardline coalition on the grounds that there is no emergency to justify such an extreme revolutionary move.
    I hope PM Harper demands an election to be held to put the whole thing to the People instead of simply letting that Axis trio steal power without democratic consent and proceed to impose what would amount to the most hardcore Left-wing regime this confederation has ever seen.
    I’d be just fine with another election to begin right away. It’s better than the alternative, to have a separatist and actual Communist decide what shall be and shall not be for Canada.
    We can’t leave it up to Stephane Dion, Jack Layton and Gilles Duceppe. And a separatist Governor General whose loyalty to Canada is suspect, notwithstanding her forced claim of loyalty.

  35. I just got news on the weekend that the first part of my immigration visa process to the USA for *permanent* resident status is approved….You can’t imagine how happy it makes me to never have to see that smug idiot Layton’s face on the TV again.

  36. Uh-oh… I just remembered that the current Governor General, appointed by a Liberal PM, is a Quebec separatist.
    See? This is the problem with the appointment of this person to be GG.
    Now is the time to demand she prove her loyalty to Canada. Merely declaring (under obvious duress) it is one thing, demonstrating it is another.
    Refuse the request of the hardline coalition on the grounds that there is no emergency to justify such an extreme revolutionary move.
    I hope PM Harper demands an election to be held to put the whole thing to the People instead of simply letting that Axis trio steal power without democratic consent and proceed to impose what would amount to the most hardcore Left-wing regime this confederation has ever seen.
    I’d be just fine with another election to begin right away. It’s better than the alternative, to have a separatist and actual Communist decide what shall be and shall not be for Canada.
    We can’t leave it up to Stephane Dion, Jack Layton and Gilles Duceppe. And a separatist Governor General whose loyalty to Canada is suspect, notwithstanding her forced claim of loyalty.

  37. Ecclesiastes 3
    1 There is a time for everything.
    There’s a time for everything that is done on earth.
    2 There is a time to be born.
    And there’s a time to die.
    There is a time to plant.
    And there’s a time to pull up what is planted.
    3 There is a time to kill.

    Here’s the deal:
    The Bloc wants to destabilize Canada, if not cripple it, in order to create the perfect condition for another provincial referendum. This time positive for themselves. But perhaps, the former leader of the Marxist Leninist Party of Canada thinks this is an opportunity for him to run Canada. Great red wine.
    The NDP wants to be the official ‘Labour’ opposition. In order to do that, the Liberals have to be destroyed, in order for his party to replace them.
    The Liberals are too drunk on power; too drunk on an arrogant and presumed past glory as the ‘Natural Governing Party’ – versus the reality of their declining status as an irrelevant rump party – to see the forest for the trees.
    A perfect storm. Let it play out.

  38. Texas Canuck…..take out amounts under $500.00 at a time,say once a week.Then IMMEDIATELY put it into a Yank or offshore account.Government can’t touch you.I have know idea how much you have in them,buy it worked great for me,and was over 1/2 a mil.Taxman tried to nail me.Guess what.Because I didn’t spend the withdrawls,but REINVESTED them,they cannot not tax you on it.Until I access the reinvests,and they ain’t in Canuckistan,the commies here have no way to tax it!! I suggest everybody get every penny you can OUT of this banana republic as quick as you can,and let the teat suckers die a natural death from starvation.
    And PLEASE. No crap about how taking money out of this so-called country will only hurt it.We hurt it by putting up with the shit from the East.

  39. “I just got news on the weekend that the first part of my immigration visa process to the USA for *permanent* resident status is approved….You can’t imagine how happy it makes me to never have to see that smug idiot Layton’s face on the TV again.”
    Lucky for you. But they’re in a shi* load of trouble down there, too. Even more than us. Not going to be pretty.
    I’m just going to turn off the news from now on and watch more “Little People, Big World” to raise my spirits. Love that little family.

  40. ET:
    Your shrieking is does not change the fact that voters do not directly elect the PM. Moreover, having a coalition is legitimate and is a fact of life in many countries. Grow up, get over your fear, and go change your urine soaked panties for something dry…you’ll start to feel much better.

  41. Given that voters do directly elect the PM, pity that so much energy is put into promoting the party leaders during elections. Can’t have it both ways.

  42. Anybody else notice that the French citizen called the coalition a collaboration. Kinda takes you back doesn’t it.

  43. “Your shrieking is does not…”
    (I am) Beria: Go serial rape and murder, pathetic scum. But check your typing in the meantime.

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