UPDATE!! According to John Baird (on Charles Adler) Gilles Duceppe will have veto power over every single bill put forward by the coaltion.
Oh man, I do think I see the twinkling of the asteroid about to extinguish the Liberal Party as we now know it.
If it doesn’t take out Confederation first.
Related thoughts from Kelly McParland.
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM……
Maybe this is why certain leaders were calling for a fiscal update ASAP?
Here’s a question I’d love to hear the corrupt MSM ask Le Cabal de Trois but I don’t expect they ever will:
“You have no mandate from the People of Canada to move forth with your mandate to spend $30 Billion. Is it not your democratic responsibility to go to the people to get their mandate and confidence?”
John – That is an insult to scum everywhere. These guys are lower than that which feeds upon scum.
This has revealed several things.
This is all about the $1.95. Nothing else. Whatever they say is irrelevant; it’s about the political subsidy. Period.
The opposition will complain that Harper is spending too much money and not enough money all in the same breath.
They are DESPERATE for power, and are incensed that they don’t have it and that Canadians for reasons unfathomable to them did not choose them to be the One Governing Party of Canada.
They know no shame in twisting and spinning anything to their perspective. They wanted Harper to be more compromising, and so he backed off on several issues. Did that appease them? Nope. Last month they said Harper was spending too much money, now he’s not spending enough. They say the economy is in crisis, but there is no economic data to suggest that yet.
This is how civil wars get started.
I wonder what Danny Williams is now thinking that all off shore drilling will halt.
Brian…He was warmly known as the Shawinigin strangler by the media.
I wonder what Danny Williams is now thinking that all off shore drilling will be halt.
An “absolute cap & trade system” in concert with Barack Obama is a certainty. Take that Alberta & Saskatchewan!!!
THE PEOPLE OF CANADA DESERVE & DEMAND AN ELECTION!
If Taliban Jack has his say on Afghanistan, Canada will suffer it’s first military defeat in its history, much like the US ‘defeat’ in Vietnam (and for the same reason). I wonder how many years (decades?) it will take us to recover from this disastrous defeat. Will it take a Canadian ‘Reagan’ to help us recover our national pride?
Here’s an interesting thought. This is going to end up in the hands of a former CBC employee whose husband is, at the very least, a Quebec separatist sympathizer. I dont’ much like Stephen Harper’s chances at convincing the GG to call Canadians to the polls.
Support for Western separatism is on the rise!
Ah yes, CTV already changed their question of the day.
As for the idiot Duncy Danny Williams, he will rue the day that he decided to wage his ABC campaign in the last election.
If the corporate tax cuts set to kick in next year are to remain in effect as part of the Lib-NDP coalition government then what, pray tell, does Layton get out of this deal besides 6 cabinet ministers? There’s got to be more in it for him in this power grab. And where is the $30 billion supposed to come from if not for the tax cut roll back he campaigned for to fund all of his election promises? An increase in the GST? Downloading to the provinces (a distinct possibility with Paul Martin as one of the 4 economic advisers)? Too many questions with too few answers.
This entire thing is a FARCE! A new PM telling reporters that he will resign before he offically takes power. Iggy and Rae saying, in effect, that Harper has to go and that he should be replaced by a guy who has to go.
What follows is what I posted today at Warren Kinsella’s site – he screens his comments so I thought I would put iot up here as well:
Warren:
I think you had an inkling (or more)that this coalition was being plotted well before last week.
We have tape of the NDs and BQ plotting well in advance. And that Stephen Harper knew of the plot. SH came out with an aggressive stance so as toi give him room to retreat and thus make it harder for the oppo parties to claim that the CP was being unconciliatory.
The professed motive for the coalition is a ruse, The CP could have promised the moon and the stars and they still would have gone ahead with the plot.
I am heartened by the majority of posters here saying that the coalition is a very bad idea – perhaps liberals who support it should think twice.
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Here are some things that look to be a part of the deal – consider what these will do to the LP long-term especially points west of the Ottawa river outside of hyper-urban Toronto:
1. Gilles Duceppe is to be given executive control of the whole show as he will have veto power over every bill put forward.
2. Brison has stated that the scheduled corporate tax reduction – a piece of legislation passed by the liberals under Paul Martin – will be cancelled immediately. Presumably this was a price demanded by the NDs and the BQ.
3. The green shift is a go. This is Dion’s price – his revenge – on the CP for beating him – for going a long with the coalition and allowing the leadership to be given to someone else in thew spring. The impact on the LP and ND in western Canada will be devastation – a Gobi desert for generations to come – think in terms of a post-civil war mason-dixon line that runs north/south.
4. Restoration of equalization to the originally scheduled rates. In the next few years this could mean anywhere from 5 to 10 billion more annually taken from Alberta and Sask and BC and sent to points east.
5. 18 LP-friendly (to put it mildly) senators will be almost immediately be appointed.
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And the TSX had its worst single day today since the ’87 crash.
Bob Rae looks to have been instrumental in cobbling together the deal. He was also involved in the last coalition of this type in Canada – the Rae/Peterson deal. and we know how that ended for the LP and the NDs.
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I think that within the week the CP will pro-rogue parliament until January to allow all side to take stack and engage in somee sober second-thought. During that month you can expect an onslaught of protests against ND and LP MPs in ridings that were won by thin margins. The CP will in effect be saving the LP from itself and perhaps the country as we know it in the process.
slevine re the stimulus pkg: “That could come later this week.” So you think it would be quite all right to just hastily throw this together without much planning (there has not even been that much time to plan since the election when the whole issue first cropped up!) and before we have a sense of the direction in which the Americans are going. Yes, it is about humiliating Stephen Harper who saught to crush the opposition — that is exactly the game being played on BOTH sides. Noone looks good here. The next question should be what will be best for the country. I do not think that a coalition government with the Bloc holding a balance of power is somehow it. Intersting isnt’t it how this whole new government will be pretty Toronto/Quebec centric. I think this is asking for serious trouble. Better to go to an election and let the voters decide — yet again.
Great comment from the NP:
“If people think another $270 million election is unconscionable they should think again. It would be a bargain if it put a stop to this farce.”
Let’s be serious.
While, as a reluctant Western separatist, I cannot say that I’m surprised by this turn of events, I also am a realist.
Westerners, and Albertans in particular, will do nothing to try and send a message to the Troika and Central Canadians who support it. We will do what we’ve done for the last three decades or so — bitch, whine, moan and complain, instead of starting the hard work of laying the political, social and economic infrastructure necessary to carry out political separation from the RoC. We already know what needs to be done, and in fact we have a political / administrative structure in place (the provincial government of Alberta) which could do these things in relatively short order — say, a year — if it put its collective mind to it, but we won’t. We even have a formula (the federal Clarity Act) which tells us, in broad outline, how to proceed. But we won’t.
Sorry, folks, but we’ve been rogered good ‘n hard here, and we’re gonna bend over and take it, just like we always do. In the end, there are too many people out West who are too frightened to proceed. Like the abused wife, we can’t possibly leave the marriage, because we always have an excuse for why we should stick around and take more abuse.
Garth
Many of these politicians should be considered pollution. Maybe there should be a cap and trade on MP’s. Given the current population spread with BC and Alberta having a greater population than Quebec, what would the distribution of MP’s be? Looking forward to the next election…
I think maybe we should burn a few blue flags to get the seperation ball rolling
“The stock market drops/rises are related to the global financial infrastructure, not to the Canadian PM.”
ET, why don’t you email Kate and let her know. And get your sarcasm detector fixed while your at it.
Harper is the author of his own misfortune. He thought that he could financially cripple the opposition parties and get away with it. So much for his promise of being conciliatory and working with the opposition. Regardless of what happens next, he is going to pay for this blunder. Still, better a coalition that understands positive compromise than an arrogant minority that can’t spell the word.
Stephen Harper…not a leader.
I’ve just watched (as much as I can stomach) the “big” news conference with Steffie soaking in the second coming aura and still mangling both languages, Taliban Jack calling on Mr Harper to do the right thing and the separatist blabbing about better for Quebec. Never have politicians made me so sick as to almost hurl. The shear arrogance that the trois amigos can come up with a plan that has obviously failed the rest of the economic world, is a wonder to behold.
Serious question: how can I get my RRSPs out of Canada without paying an arm and a leg? If the opposition want to act like a banana boat republic then I might as well go to one… less snow to shovel.
Lavrenti Beria! A leader for our times! STFU, idiot!
I miss the good old days of the Rhino party, at least they KNEW they were a JOKE….unlike the 3 stooges!!
Will Alberta have to bend over so far with regards to equalization payments? The Alberta Government has a tried and tested method of giving its wealth to where it belongs – Albertans – rather than send it elsewhere and which can now be implemented quickly if necessary: remember the $400.00 Ralph bucks? Maybe there are things the West can do independently like pay Albertans first as suggested above, don’t buy products from anti-conservative MP held ridings, etc. or am I missing something?
Well I think I still have my Alberta Sepratist Party membership somewhere amongst the piles of paper on my desk… If the three stooges form their coalition, I guess I’m going to have to figure out where the bloody card is.
I vote to porogue.
Come back and present the real budget.
The Opposition votes it down.
Call an election.
Then we’ll see how many people really agree with cutting the $1.95 voter subsidy to the Liars and Thieves parties.
Git’er done, once and for all.
If Liberals get back in, the West is GONE and FREE forever.
No more piggy bank to Ottawa.
may eastern canada burn in hell
These fools don’t realize they are taking our country to the brink. It is obvious that the Libs, Bloc and NDP have been plotting this for months. If they think what the Tories have done is so bad, they should force an election and campaign as a coalition. Let the people decide.
On the other hand, if these idiots succeed in staging their coup d’état, I will resign my commission in the CF and work actively in support of western secession.
Iberia: “Harper is the author of his own misfortune. He thought that he could financially cripple the opposition parties and get away with it.”
Thank you for acknowledging that this has everything to do with the cancellation of the $1.95 per/voter subsidy and nothing to do with a supposed lack of fiscal stimulus. At least you’re honest about it.
Could someone with the e-mail addresses at their fingertips post all of the addresses of the government personnel we should be e-mailing about our outrage at this hijacking of democracy?
I’ve e-mailed Michaelle Jean.
I have to say, she looked a little too smug in the HOC during the Throne Speech. I think these shysters have been in cahoots for a long time, all back room stuff, all smug, cat that swallowed the canary … as they take Canada down the slippery slope faster than greased lightning.
I catch a whiff of Power Corp/Demarais/Maurice Strong and it’s not too savoury. ‘Only a few years left for Kyoto to be ratified and if it’s not … no $$$$ for China, where the ex-Liberals are hanging out, hoping to make big profits from their Chinese portfolios.
Did you hear who may be getting a Senate seat? Ellie May! And about all the “women’s programs” that will be resurrected: NAC, LEAF, etc. And these clowns have the NERVE to accuse PMSH and his party of spending too much money????
Canadian democracy is being hijacked by the Three Stooges. GOD’S TEETH!!
CTV is now reporting there is a signed, 18-month coalition agreement. I don’t think there’s any way the GG will refuse to go along with this.
It’s over.
RIP Canada. To the Albertans reading this board: Go. In the name of God, go! Save yourselves!
This is the result of strategic voting. If this manage-a-trois assumes power this country will embark on the road to hell. The stock market slump experienced today will pale in comparison by what we can expect for the next ten years. I’ve often said that Canada under the Liberals was a “benign” Communist state, if they are allowed to steal democracy you can bet the last election will have been Canada’s last taste of democracy. Once they are in power there will be nothing to stop them from ‘suspending’ elections for the common good. We’re seeing history starting to repeat itself, remeber the Fascist Thirties!
Goodness gracious, Iberia you said,”He thought that he could financially cripple the opposition parties and get away with it.” This is so patently stupid, I am surprised you would utter it, considering you have been posting on SDA for literally years now. The Libs, NDP, and the Bloc brought about their own financial woes by failing to assemble a palatable package that individuals would support with their wallets!
This is by far and away the best reason to pull public funding of political parties. Let them die the death they deservedly brought upon themselves.
(And lest we forget, Iberia, when this welfare for parties was brought in it was called the “incumbent re-election fund.” It served the Liberals well for a short time when they were in power, until they became so utterly unpopular with liberal supporters themselves that private funding dried up. A pig is a pig by any other name.)
“Harper is the author of his own misfortune. He thought that he could financially cripple the opposition parties and get away with it.”
FOR G*D’S SAKE. Who financially crippled the Opposition parties????? Their own “supporters,” who couldn’t even cough up $1.95 for the Librano$, Dippers, and Blockheads.
These would be the same narcissists who order Frapuccinos at their local Starbucks for over $4.00 a pop. (BTW, I don’t drink Starbucks, so I’m not too sure of the exact prices of their conconctions. I do know that they call their “small” coffees, “tall.” Liars.)
But, no doubt about it: This palace coup is ALL about public monies continuing to prop up Canada’s political parties. The lefties always expect others to pay their way. It’s cheaper that way.
Unless I missed it, why have I not heard anything about the NDP’s “hidden agenda”. Seems this back room deal was considered long ago.
Things could be worse. Lizzy Mao could’ve been named Environment Minister in this cabal, had she won her seat.
On another note, a constitutional expert on Newman stated that it should not be dismissed that the GG could call for new elections (fat chance! I know). However, if that was to happen, what’s the plan for the opposition? We no it wouldn’t effect the Bloc, but what of the NDP and Liberlas? Would they run separately as they always have? Would the NDP fold into the Liberal party? How would that happen? What’s the procedure on such quick notice? Does the NDP constitution state in this regard? Would the Libs and NDP not run against each other in certain ridings? If so, which? Who decides? Who would lead the Liberals? What would this do to next year’s leadership race?
So many questions, so few answers.
Hopefully the GG will come to her sense and will not allow this cabal to seize power without consent from the Canadian people. Just think of what an exciting election camapign it would be.
Actually, this is a nice precedent. The Riders didn’t win the Grey Cup, but if we combined our wins with the Alouettes and Blue Bombers, we could take claim to the title.
DEAN!!! Youdaman! LOL!
cryptic cynic: “The Alberta Government has a tried and tested method of giving its wealth to where it belongs”
This isn’t where you were going but it brings something to mind – income taxes are sent to Ottawa and then the provincial portion is sent back, except, IIRC, Quebec where they collect it and then send some to Ottawa. Can we pressure our provincial governments to get the same deal as Quebec? Keeping as much money out of Ottawa’s hands for as long as possible can only be a Good Thing.
So, the cabal say that they have a signed 18 month agreement.
Note: this agreement is a backroom deal and has not been ratified by the electorate. Is Canada a democracy or an oligarchy run by thugs?
Note also: this agreement, which states that it is valid for 18 months, effectively means that decision-making will not be on the nature of Motions, ie, on their goodness/badness; on the results of any debate in the House. No. The decisions are already made; whatever the Liberal-NDP propose, the Bloc will support it. No matter what.
Is this a democracy?
Again, a party that is out of the electoral reach of over 80% of Canadians, is given the role of supporting any and all decisions of the Lib-NDP. No debate will have any effect. Nothing will have any effect. Whatever the Lib-NDP want to do – will be supported by the Bloc.
And, this Lib-NDP coalition was not agreed to by the electorate. It was never mentioned to the electorate, who voted, not for a coalition, but for separate parties.
Is Canada a democracy? Not to Jack Layton, Dion, Ignatieff, Rae, LeBlanc and Duceppe. They are the BackRoom Boys who want to take power away from the people.
a $30-billion economic stimulus package.
Consulting fees for the advisory group comprise of Frank McKenna, Paul Martin, John Manley and Roy Romanow?
The west just got the trudeau salute again,but many,many times worse. If this coalition goes through,Alberta and Sask. who voted for 40 conservatives out of a possible 42 will end up with Ralph Goodale as our voice,and a NDP newbie with no experience. No frigging way we should roll over and get raped by these shysters. I have written the GG with my concerns about this and urge everyone else to also.
Once more:
NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION
Why should we pay taxes to a government that can only function with the support of a separatist party (Bloc) that we can neither vote for or against?
Amazing. I used to scoff at Western separatism. No I think it’s the only solution.
Amazing. I used to scoff at Western separatism. No I think it’s the only solution.
I wonder if Harper can skip all this nonsense and ask the G-G to dissolve parliament and call another election?
Not that she has to grant the request mind you.
30 Billion to stimulate what exactly,I wonder?
Seems to me that the MSM are in bed with this “sad” group as well.
There is a big conspiracy going on and we all better be aware of it.
Here is a link to e-mail addresses for MPs.http://webinfo.parl.gc.ca/MembersOfParliament/MainMPsCompleteList.aspx?TimePeriod=Current&Language=E
What I would like to see is [at least] the 3 most Western premiers hold a joint press conference and say, “We recognize that our country has hit a constitutional brick wall. But we adamantly oppose the idea of a transfer of power occurring in this way. So we respectfully request that the Governor General let the people of Canada decide which path this country takes. It is too important to do otherwise.”
Do you think they might do this?