I note that a few of you are discussing the Mulroney testimony in the reader tips thread. I’m too busy today to follow it, but you can use this thread for links or on topic discussion if you wish.
From the comments;
“Lapierre stated, while on with CTV’s Mike Duffy, that the Liberal MPs on the Ethics Committee were given today’s questions to ask by the CBC.”
If true, this merits an investigation, followed by a housecleaning.
Stephen Taylor now has an official CPC release on the allegation.
Update:
Jean Lapierre just spouted on CTV with Duffy that the CBC wrote the questions that the Liberal’s asked about the spectrum auction.
Well wouldnt that be interesting if it were true.
You mean, the CBC in bed with liberals? Say it aint so!
“The Chin That Roared” just about made Szabo Swallow his tongue by bringing transcripts of Schreibers testimony fro other hearings and trials.
How stupid are these Liberals?
Apparently stupid enough to allow Brian Mulroney to publicly show them for complete asses!
lol watched the whole thing brian kicked ass
The Lefties asked for it,hope PMSH carries this even further. I’ve just figured out how leftards think. Their ideas are like lightning.One brilliant flash of light for about 3 milliseconds,then nothing. Unfortunately it has all ready struck somewhere,and destroyed something, usually the fabric of a country.
“Jean Lapierre just spouted on CTV with Duffy that the CBC wrote the questions that the Liberal’s asked about the spectrum auction.”
If that’s true then heads must roll at the CBC. And a full public enquiry should be welcomed by the LP.
Pat Martin’s performance was one of the most disgusting things I’d ever seen.
I loved how Brian wasn’t taking any of the committee’s crap. And I don’t even like Brian that much. But the ongoing smear job against him is absolutely disgusting.
Poor old Mike Duffy looked like he had sat on a pineapple, he could see how just plain dumb the liberals looked.
Well,I already blew my wad on the reader’s tips thread,but I would like to repeat some of my message here.
I am still in awe over the entrenched anti-right attitude of the CBC.
I was quite surprised though to hear the CTV,in comparison,allow Duffy and others to speak out against what has been basically a sham and to call a future formal inquiry an absolute waste of time.
It’s too bad a mostly leftist media in this country will protect many many Canadians from truly seeing how Schreiber used both the media and the opposition parties to keep himself out of German prisons.And,how eagerly they fell for it in a sad attempt to smear the current conservative government.
Schreiber has failed to supply ANYTHING NEW of any substance.
Period.
“Jean Lapierre just spouted on CTV with Duffy that the CBC wrote the questions that the Liberal’s asked about the spectrum auction.”
If that’s true then heads must roll at the CBC. And a full public enquiry should be welcomed by the LP.
Posted by: Gord Tulk at December 13, 2007 2:33 PM
It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if it were true. Considering CBC journalists think it’s their duty to be anonymous police informants responsible for smearing Mulroney. I think the CBC might be a little bit afraid of what might come out in a public enquiry.
Kinsella quote of the day….
“…So I don’t have time to watch Brian Mulroney’s performance. But, seeing as how no one has ever given me, or anyone else I know, $300,000 in cash…..”
…..or anyone he knows……
Riiiiight Warren, what ever you say.
“Schreiber has failed to supply ANYTHING NEW of any substance.”
The fact remains that Mulroney was pocketing cash from a rather shadey character. So far as I’m concerned this validates my flipping my support from the PCs over to Reform back in the day.
Mulroney was better than Trudeau, but he was still a greasy weasel. I also notice that as quick as he is to sue others for any suggestions of impropriety they cast in his direction, he hasn’t laid a lawyerly finger on Stevie Cameron over “On The Take”. Is this because he suspects he won’t win?
What in tarnation is the CBC doing when they are interfering or butting in with the “work” of the House of Commons Ethics Comittee?
Do the Liberals work for the CBC or vice versa?
haven’t watched it , won’t watch it, don’t like brian, but too f’n bad. the man is right.
Sean,
As I stated on the other thread…
Maybe if Mulroney told them he wrote a receipt on a cocktail napkin,as the LPC accepted from Chretien,the opposition parties would be satisfied.
As much as I have never liked Mulroney,he admitted it he receved,it was used for purposes after his PMship and he paid his taxes on it.
Now,let’s get the perjurous Schreiber’s ass to Germany to face the charges there.
Yeah I heard the sound bite on how public interest has totally failed to gel and now has totally dropped out….some Aper media poll of some kind found most Canadians don’t give a crap and only 14% wanted to go ahead with a full inquest…no doubt who the hard core 14% is….probably the entire LPC hope bubble faithful.
The worst that came out today in my view was that Mulroney was trying to skirt paying income tax ( dealing in cash) but got caught by the short and curlies by a master of deceit.
Who, of course is currently making complete assholes of every Canadian courtesy of our immigration and justice system and specially the opposition members of the committee.
All to to avoid extradition?
Meanwhile the Libs , ND’s and Blocheads are on a fishing expedition by bringing Bernier ( and the current government) into this mix that has nothing to do with Mulroney and Scheiber deal.
Why isn’t there some action on the Schreiber perjury issue ( sworn testimony by Schreiber in a Canadian court) that Mulroney pointed out to the committee?
You would think that would ring somone’s bell.
And notice, no one from MSM even mentions that in their post committee scrums.
liberal pablo rodiguiz trying to link BM to the current bill on communications
BM slams him, But the Witch Hunt continues.
Did anyone else notice how Mulroney completely eviscerated Stevie Cameron’s (On the Take) reputation. In his opening statement he only alluded to the person whose whole reason for existence seemed to be to destroy his reputation. Later in the questioning, although I did not hear the question, he appeared to be forced to give her name. I can not think of anyone more deserving of having her reputation besmirched, although that cannot possibilly match the damage she wilfully, and undeservedly inflicted on Mulroney. It is satisfying to see her on the taking end rather than dishing it out.
The ultimate truth, as gleaned from a few months of visiting SDA: if someone is conservative, they can never, ever, ever, EVER do wrong.
Ever. End of story.
Good luck, folks…
If that is true about the CBC, we need to get to the bottom of it. I call for a Public Inquiry!!!
That’s the thing JohnnyRingo – if ever a conservative were to do something wrong, it would negate the moral highground these people claim to speak from, and all of existence would instantly cease and collapse.
That, and everyones children would immediately enter into homosexual polygamous marriages overnight.
I’m always amazed at how these folks can go on and on about the “liberal bias” in the media. I’ve never seen a shred of proof to this effect – it’s jsut easier to blame the media than to admit that a conservatives’ man-crush might be guilty of something.
“The worst that came out today in my view was that Mulroney was trying to skirt paying income tax”
Dunno Joe…Guys in Muldoom’s income bracket can defer for up to 5 years…and he DID claim it and pay on it later.
Just the same I’m with Sean…whether this was a indiscretion or not, we all know who does business in personal cash payments this large…Libranos, anyone in the parasitic “insider” network that lobby and score untended contracts to Fed S&S, the Mob and of course drug dealers. Muldoom was the reason I went to Reform as well.
However, I think the “chin” was one of the slicker polis…he may have been on the take but he left no tracks to follow north of the 49th…..what the Liberals chose to stick him with is pure BS and they know it…no one in the know in the Librano camp wants anyone REALLY looking too hard at old federal administrations because there is a lot of Librano graft to be found with just some light scratching.
I think this is why Libranos like Dion always suspect the worst of Harper and are constantly making innuendo of graft and malfeasance…it’s because they recognize it so easily…hell it’s the core librano competency….simple case of psychological “projection” 😉
Eskimo 2:41pm, nailed it !!
Kinsella blogged he doesn’t know anyone who accepted $300k in cash ….. Ya ??
How about $299,999 ?
Or, say $300,001 ?
Maybe, 60 million ? Ahh, but that’s different, eh ?
JohnnyRingo – You are wrong. I direct you here:
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/007612.html#comments
To quote a more astute observer:
Spot on post. Too bad it didn’t come from Kate herself, but what the heck, it’s the issue that matters, and not the messenger…
DND’s communications strategy has been surprisingly spot in, especially in the wake of the Somalia affair. One of the few good things that came out of that was a move to open up the communications process to the soldier on the ground. No longer did a reporter and their subject – a soldier or an officer – have to dilly dally needlessly over layers of approval and time-wasting bureaucratic excercises in turf-protection. I’ve always been impressed by the higher-ups at DND who turfed out their old communications strategy and opened up their new one. Want proof of how effective it’s been? I’d say Blatchford’s book is evidence of how good it’s been working.
Harper’s PMO and the PCO have been dictating communications policy and information sharing for far too long on far too many policy files.
Again, kudos for SDA – or, more importantly, for Damian – for taking the Harper PMO to task on this one.
Posted by: JohnnyRingo at December 11, 2007 5:06 PM
Oops, was that you?
Let’s pay close attention to whether the perjury issue Mulroney clearly pointed out to the committee will even register with any MSM journalist.
What was it again – two sworn (contradictory) statements in Canadian courtrooms?
Throbbin, have you been in a coma for the past say, 30 years? There have been surveys taken and books written about the prevelance of media bias towards what is today’s version of liberalism. I have absolutely no problem with a journalist having a leftist viewpoint. Just don’t try to pass one’s self off as unbias. Everyone has a bent one way or the other towards any subject. Admit the fact and move on.
“if ever a conservative were to do something wrong”
They get voted down to 2 seats in parliament, as happened in 1993.
But liberals on the other hand still manage to get 103 seats after dozens of scandals
http://scandal.coldwave.net/
Proving liberal supporters are sheep.
Stevie Cameron should be investigated. Unless she was very careful and did not actually defame Mulroney (hard to believe with a book named “On The Take”), Mulroney should have sued her.
In any event, I have heard reports that she was actually a confidential informant (on what, she was not involved in affair, just wrote really silly book, which CBC stupidly used and got us sued). If there is any validity to claims she was informant, then we need to get to bottom of her conduct, that maybe she went too far, acting in unethical manner with clear conflict of interest. Does anybody have more details on this allegation?
As for wrongdoing, Throbbin et al, you may find out when an actual scandal happens, not the virtualfaux scandals of war criminals, guilt by association. Just what wrongdoing are you referring to? Please enlighten us.
Interesting that in his testimony, Mulroney refers to the CBC/Fifth Estate as “leaders” and “enablers” of the attacks and smears on him.
He says this in the second round of questioning from Tory MP Del Mastro.
Allan: Not sheep – but people who have no problem with corruption as long as they can get some. Liberals belief nothing – all they want is power.
Ringo,
You can be wrong if you are a conservative….the reaction is because for so long, snd msybe still today, others say you are wrong BECAUSE you are a conserative.
Mulroney may yet be proven to have done something wrong, but it just isnt there at this time.
And right now the Liberals and NDP (my god Neo conservative Pat? Come on, that is so not 1980’s)
are trying desperately to play politics with someone they never got the chance to defeat electorally…oh well.
LEt the facts come out….right now Mr Schreiber is the one with the contradictory story and the Libs and NDP looked like they are making mountains out of molehills.
Thibault is convinced it was Thyssen money….just because it came from Thyssen, but Thyssen may have got that money from Norway, so does that make it Norwegian money?
Rodriguez is trying to say Mulroney is an unregistered lobbyist, as if anyone who gets a call from Pierre Karl wouldnt return it?
Martin is on a Neo con rant….what first year poli sci class did he just walk out of.
CoMartin was pretty good, Nadeau was pretty good…MBM is vulnerable because the records are gone. Vulnerable not in an absolute sense but vulnerable in that he cant prove or disporove things in a court, or the court of public opinion. It is 15 years old, there are no records and the only people willing to testify against Brian are….well nobody becasue Schrieber keeps saying Mulroney is innocent.
The RCMP couldnt prove this at the time and you’ll never prove it now….sorry. And if you cant prove it, then we are left with opinions and if you are going to speak ill of someone then you better have more than your opinion.
CTV.ca has a CP so-called news item all about Harper’s broken promises being directly related to the Mulroney-shrieber circus.
Well of course…if they say so.
Notice no name attached to the CP piece.Who wrote it?
How convenient.
The fact is,Mulroney came first,second,and third.
And End of that game.
Real lawyers must laugh at that system.
Hope that change it before they catch up with a real crook,cretien.
‘I’m not calling you a liar, Mr. Mulroney, but I don’t want anybody here to think that I believe you,” New Democrat MP Pat Martin said dryly.’
Talk about weasel words
Wow, the trolls are weak these days, Kate. Maybe the usuals are all in Bali……
All I ever need to know about the permanent Liberal bias at the CBC is listening to 5 minutes of drive-by smears from the host of “The Hour”, and the non-musical guests I have seen on that program: Dallaire and Chretien.
Good for Chin to face the music finally, and admit his mistake. He should have shown better judgement, like Lougheed did in banning the Alberta government from dealing with this crook.
Why anyone would take Schreiber at face value is beyond me. I hate these political witch hunts, and the unknown costs in pursuing them. Any criminality? Airbus? NO. It does show the sickness within the halls of power perpetuated by these vile lobbyists.
So can bloggers ask questions they leech less from the national coffers than the CBC does.
I hsve long lesrned to be wary of MBM, I still like him though.
His performance was generally excellent. Funny in parts and generally good natured.
Pat Martin showed his colours, he has MBM convicted already. Funny though he disavows schreiber as well. Nice of MBM to call Schreiber Martin’s friend.
Martin was generally ill behaved….and to some respect so was Thibault. I thought Szabo was transparently not being a neutral chair….took interventions from the cons to get what amounted to basic decency in terms of answering questions, especially after he let Schrieber off the leash in his testimony he can hardly ask the accussed to be limited in time and scope.
As well, the spectrum stuff is absolutely off target. I would have been tempted to walk out, but best to stay. I am sure the committee in camera is going to have some hot words…1) about Martin being throughly disrespectful 2) About Szabo’s neutrality, and competence, as chair. He came close to blowing it in my opinion.
I do want to know if the CBC and the Liberals were working together….unholy quite frankly for a media outlet and a political party to work together, even worse when it is the public broadcaster. Not ethical.
Oh and once again Warren K gets it wrong. Originally he fudged the rules to make it look like MP’d cant take any other income, when that was pointed out he has abandoned that….now he is one $300,000….well it wasnt at once and it was over time and it was a retainer for expenses AND fees….after seeing an estimate from a company like Warren’s, lets call the firm Flowerpot to hide its real identity, to speak to the government on an issue. Think $8,000 for what would have been 6 weeks of elapsed time….they wouldnt hae done 6 weeks of work, this firm, called Flowerpot, that looked a lot like Warren’s. So assume 2 weeks of out of 52 for vacation, which means for a year, not including incidentals, a firm called Flowerpot that looks a lot like Warrens would charge $64,000 a year before hard costs like flights etc.
So is it fair to imagine that a former prime minister could charge a higher relative perdiem and charge the expenses that get to $100,000…certainly.
Once again the facts get in the way of Warren’s bluster, he is a spin master after all.
Now getting cash up front, no way, get 50% or 25% paid via cheque up front…pretty standard practice. So if Flowerpot, a firm that looks a lot like Warren’s, expected an enagagement that would yield $100,000 over the year they would probably expect $25,000 to start, at least. Once again assuming the rates that a Flowerpot could command vs a MBM.
When you do the math $100,000 per year retainer isnt out of the realm….its the cash part that is the issue.
Too much Mulroney Derrangement Syndrome going around.
Oh wow, someone – not even Kate! – wrote something about DND communications policy and Harper’s PMO…fantastic, but it hardly compares to the legions here defending Mulroney!
Think about it: you’re defending Mulroney for taking money from an arms dealer!
I just don’t get that conservative thinking…
Stephen said: “unholy quite frankly for a media outlet and a political party to work together”
I agree! Funny how the conservative SDA refuses to raise the issue of a conservative columnist (Sun Media’s Paul Jackson) writing columns at the behest of Progressive Conservative Premier Ed Stelmach!!
Funny people, you conservatives…
Ringo:
Yes, it’s pretty clear you don’t get conservative thinking…
Ringo – you are using my bandwidth for little more than criticism of your hostess.
Either stay on topic or keep your finger off the post button.
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see, here’s the thing…
i’d be the last person in the world to defend anyone
taking bags of cash from a greasy little turd like
schreiber… but doesn’t brian mulroney deserve at
least the same sort of judicial process as
willie pickton?
enough backdoor smears, folks… charge him with
whatever crimes you think you can prove… and
let him have his day in court.
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The ultimate truth, as gleaned from a few months of visiting SDA: if someone is conservative, they can never, ever, ever, EVER do wrong.
Ever. End of story.
Good luck, folks…
Posted by: JohnnyRingo at December 13, 2007 3:32 PM
True or not true?
Spot on post. Too bad it didn’t come from Kate herself, but what the heck, it’s the issue that matters, and not the messenger…
DND’s communications strategy has been surprisingly spot in, especially in the wake of the Somalia affair. One of the few good things that came out of that was a move to open up the communications process to the soldier on the ground. No longer did a reporter and their subject – a soldier or an officer – have to dilly dally needlessly over layers of approval and time-wasting bureaucratic excercises in turf-protection. I’ve always been impressed by the higher-ups at DND who turfed out their old communications strategy and opened up their new one. Want proof of how effective it’s been? I’d say Blatchford’s book is evidence of how good it’s been working.
Harper’s PMO and the PCO have been dictating communications policy and information sharing for far too long on far too many policy files.
Again, kudos for SDA – or, more importantly, for Damian – for taking the Harper PMO to task on this one.
Posted by: JohnnyRingo at December 11, 2007 5:06 PM
True or not true? Can’t be both. That is, unless you consider Harper’s PMO to be something other than Conservative.
Johnny Ringo,
I have read your bleatings on this string.
You don’t get thinking at all.
Gosh, Ringo…didn’t Schrieber say he gave money to the Liberals, too?
Think about it: you’re defending the Liberals for taking money from an arms dealer! I just don’t get that Liberal thinking…
“get out of jail affidavit”
Now that is a sound bite
Johnny Ringo “if someone is conservative, they can never, ever, ever, EVER do wrong” — what’s the point of this absurd hyperbole? No one has made a comment to this effect, Mulroney did a good job of defending himself and that is generally what is being talked about here.
I agree with W.L. MacKenzie that the Liberal tendency to crawl around in the muck hoping to dig up dirt on the Conservatives is a case of psychological projection. I have always found that the first people to accuse others of lying are most often accomplished liars themselves.
I think that today’s testimony exposed the substantial lack of ethics on the part of the ethics committee itself. I was appalled when the question re Bernier and wireless was posed. This is completely out of bounds in terms of what the committee is supposed to be investigating. To use this committee as a political ploy for planting innuendos is totally unethical and smacks of a witch-hunt. What we have here is the Canadian version of the McCarthy trials. Why is Mr. Dhalliwal even on something called an “ethics” committee — given his unsavoury behaviour in the Gormant Grewal (or whatever his name was) case? This whole investigation has turned into a circus. No private citizen (in this case, B. Mulroney)should be forced to discuss his private business deals and social relationships in public when it is increasingly clear that no laws were broken. I think that Harper would be fully justified in not proceeding with the full enquiry. This whole thing is a sham and the Parliamentarians involved should begin to examine their own ethical standards.
The CPC has picked up the CBC/Liberal party collusion and is running with it…check out Stephen Taylor’s blog.