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cross-posted @ Celestial Junk
If you say you are a Christian, but go about killing non-Christians in the name of Christ, you are not a Christian.
If you say you are a Muslim, and go about killing non-Muslims in the name of Allah, you are still a Muslim.
Big bloody difference.
Lookout,
A quick reply to clarify your misunderstanding of my comments.
I’m not qualifying the Baptist missionary as an assassin, I was alluding to his presence and unconscious mischief within an unknown culture as dangerous or deadly to the people he claims to be saving. In his own admission
‘our activities can lead to people dying, we are aware of that. But to spend eternity in heaven and not in hell – seems like a good deal’.
These are poor people looking for any kind of salvation or handout; I know I’ve lived and worked among them. They won’t reject anything if it feels like a promise for a better future.
The part about Christians turning on themselves in the future is not rubbish it’s food for thought.
Commendable kudos for your patriotism – the separation of church and state was indeed founded within early America although conceived in another part of the world. Was that doctrine solely to protect the religious populous from the state? Or the state from the popular religion? Regardless the act was sane and continues to work within the complexities of modern extremism in all forms.
Again to make this quick, I don’t need to gallop up anywhere, I’m already there. When you see past the petty personal assaults you may see the front line as I do.
the separation of church and state was indeed founded within early America although conceived in another part of the world.
Knight 99, the liberal idiots [redundancy] in America like to babble endlessly about this mythical “separation of church and state” concept. This phrase is nowhere to be found in the US Constitution. This phrase is from a speech/letter, which must be explained in context.
America funded churches and religious schools with tax dollars not long ago; what there was in our Constitution was a ban on a central govt church/religion like the Church of England, which is why America broke away in the first place; the settlers were looking for a country to practice their religion freely and be free men. On the contrary there are laws protecting religious expression but the leftist deviants and their cohorts in the judicial system have been stripping Christians of their rights to express. To no ones surprise the same religious bigotry is absent when concerning Muslims. For them we grovel shamelessly and liberals conveniently forget of their favorite misnomer, “separation of church and state.”
Again, violence is foundational to Islam, it is not to Christianity.
Although you’ve been offered the opportunity over and over again, you’ve not addressed this fact. Which can only mean you’ve lost the argument. This applies to your Nazi/Christian claim as well.
That’s your opinion, ID. In my opinion I have addressed this non-fact time and time again. Violence is not foundational to Islam, so your basic premise is flawed.
As for the Nazi/Christian claim (although I said German, not Nazi, remember?) you’ve attacked the name of the site I referred to, but not the information it presents.
I’ve noticed that when presented with evidence that does not support your positions, you immediately declare it invalid. Muslim sites which contradict your views are automatically practicing “deceit”. Frankly it doesn’t matter what evidence I present or web information I link to, you won’t believe it.
SYF – Your assertion that most of the people on this blog cannot tell the difference between a jihadist and a mainstream Muslim is deceptive.
Okay, I’ll agree with you there. My bad. Let me rephrase. Some of the people posting on this blog do not consider there to be a difference between jihadists and mainstream Muslims.
If you say you are a Christian, but go about killing non-Christians in the name of Christ, you are not a Christian.
So you are saying that it is impossible for Christians to have committed mass murder, since they stopped being Christians the moment the act was committed? Does this apply to breaking all of the ten commandments? Or just murder? Can they become Christians again?
If you say you are a Muslim, and go about killing non-Muslims in the name of Allah, you are still a Muslim.
In Muslim eyes, it would depend upon the circumstances.
Great rebuttal.
‘I don’t believe you, so therefore your premise is flawed.’
It’s not a premise, it’s a fact, as I’ve proven. And which you cannot disprove. This has been established. You can go on believing in your feelings. because that’s apparently all there is supporting your ‘arguments,’ if they can be called that.
Further, you’ve presented no evidence, Nazi’s can claim to be Christians, however, by their actions they are not. This is measured and judged by Christ’s words, not mine.
Besides, no rational person with any respect for their intellectual credibility would ever venture such an absurd claim. Nazi’s are Christians (that’s exactly what you claimed). Oh, oh, wait a second. (SFX: backpeddling) It’s not the Nazis, its now the Germans that were, you know, Nazis and Christians. There that ought to clarify it.
Haven’t banged your head yet, huh?
http://www.prophetofdoom.net
This website analyzes the entire terrorist agenda, in Muhammad’s own words.
Muhammad’s followers, what we call jihadists today, are just trying to emulate the prophet.
Moderate Muslims can be recruited to do jihad at any time.
Like I said ID, you have a reading comprehension problem. I never once referred to “Nazis”. That was you, dude.
Just keep ignoring my evidence and pretending it doesn’t exist. I guess it seems to work for you.
Belisarius
I hate to see you persist in your folly about Islam. Please read the Quran yourself and realise that you are the “other” while reading it. You may wish to read some hadith and get a synopsis of Mohammed’s life. A brief scan of the history of Islam since its founding would also be helpful. As a matter of fact I suggest everyone who doesn’t know his Quran from his elbow should. Hot Air is blogging the sura on a book by book basis weekly.
It is not a matter of hating muslims Belisarius, its a matter of understanding the ideology of Islam and understanding its toxicity to everything non islamic it comes in contact with. Allah lays a very heavy burden on his followers who wish to please him. Allah demands they work openly or covertly to further the cause of Islam until the entire world has only Islam for a religion. Well that was Mohammeds spiel for his followers to work on as an end goal. On the way there they would create an empire spread by the sword and the threat of the sword.
Islam is both simple and complex. It is a huge criminal organization under the guise of religion. What other religion instructs you as the noble Quran does that Allah and his messenger get 20 % off the top of all booty taken on an invasion of a neighbor. (which is defending Islam from having an unbeliever as a neighbor which is a danger and an insult to Allah) What other religion has a god who boasts of himself as the greatest deceiver?
There are many muslims in name only, there are a few brave ones who propose reform while still muslim and some brave and foolish ones who become apostates and demand reform. The vast majority do not know the full structure of islam because women are discouraged from education while the males education consists of memorising the Quran in Arabic (which isn’t much help if you speak Urdu). Muslims are very unsure of their status before Allah. The only guarantee of heaven is martyrdom, everything else is a nervous crap shoot for the believer who stays at home and doesn’t go on Jihad when called.
Well Belarius I can’t straighten you out on Islam in a mere post but I have pointed you in the right direction. If your fog up till now is honest lack of Islamic knowledge, well that is to be forgiven , most westerners have not the faintest idea of the workings behind Islam. And that is totally ironic because the truth is in plain sight and yet no one will read it.
knight 99: I’ve decoded your message–I appreciate the polite tone–but honestly don’t know what you’re talking about. Do you?
Please tell me this was produced by “radio AlQuaida” or “Radio Damascus”? Surely not a German station? And here I thought moonbattery was strictly an anglosphere problem!
Hitler and the Nazis hated Christianity – they knew it came from Judaism and they saw as a weakness.
Nazism = Paganism
The Nazis hated Jews because they represented God and an absolute power beyond themselves.
Hitler believed that before monotheism and the Jewish ethical vision came along, the world operated according to the laws of nature and evolution: survival of the fittest. The strong survived and the weak perished. But in a world operating according to a Divinely-dictated ethical system — where a God-given standard applies and not anyone’s might — the weak did not need to fear the strong. As Hitler saw it, the strong were emasculated and he blamed the Jews for this.
His plan was to take over the world and set up a barbarian master race – a plan that he came very close to executing. But to do so, he had to get rid of the Jews first. As he said:
“The Ten Commandments have lost their validity… Conscience is a Jewish invention. It is a blemish like circumcision … The struggle for world domination is fought entirely between us, between the Germans and the Jews.”
(See Hermann Rauschning, Hitler Speaks, pp. 220, 242.)
ex-lib:
Sounds like Hitler embraced the Darwinian principle of survival of the fittest.
BL@KBIRD,
Thanks for the thoughtful post. I don’t agree with everything you said obviously, but there is no question that Islam today has very big problems. Not the least of these is Jihadism and terrorism, both of which seem to be accepted by more and more mainstream Muslims. I have always stated that Islam needs major reform, and that it must learn to address the balance between faith and reason. Christianity overcame this problem many centuries ago.
My knowledge of Islam has been more heavily influenced by writers such as Reza Aslan than Robert Spencer. I don’t believe that violence is fundamental to Islam, but I’m willing to acknowledge I could be wrong. Nobody has managed to prove it to me yet though, probably because most of what I have read that argues that position does not take into account historical or religious context.
I’ll have a read of one of Spencer’s books and see what he has to say.
Lookout, it’s a common error that Knight99 made, with no malicious intent. The leftists have been beating this drum for decades: “separation of church and state” and it’s hard to fault some of those who become prey to this lie. The leftists have learned well the indoctrination skills of the now on the ash heap of history KKK and the madras’s that brainwash little hajjis. When you see little kids saying they want to be martyr’s and blow up infidels they were taught this at a young age through repetition, engraining the child with this bile. And the left does the same with its stranglehold on academia churning out semi-literate America-hating communists. The “separation of church and state” bit is just a piece of the propaganda and those not familiar with our Constitution can be easily misled.
The leftist dregs in the US are trying to purge God from America. The left wants no accountability for their deviancy and the last thing they want is a moral ethics code to abide by, thus their constant ramble of “don’t judge me”; you better believe I’m going to judge you.
I’ll have a read of one of Spencer’s books and see what he has to say.
Spencer is a giant in this area.
“The Ten Commandments have lost their validity… Conscience is a Jewish invention. It is a blemish like circumcision … The struggle for world domination is fought entirely between us, between the Germans and the Jews.”
Amazing quote, ExLiberal.
Amazing not in the good sense but to the degree to which Hitler rightly viewed the Jews influence on humanity.
Many words. Satan speaks. No truth in the video. Who supports this is Satan.
BL@KBIRD at October 8, 2007 9:42 PM
ex-liberal at October 8, 2007 9:55 PM
Excellent, very informative posts, so late in this thread!
Amazing how the Jews, emasculated by ethics/morality, could be so all-powerful, eh?
Thought: Never underestimate the power of envy in the world. In fact, I think it’s the main ingrediet in the modern jihad against Israel and the West. The excruciating pain of seeing the lowest of the people of the book and the west thrive, while Allah’s favourites fail miserably everywhere in the ME.
Belarius
Don’t bother with an interpretation. Make your decision by reading the primary sources. There are many widely accepted english translations of the koran online. I also highly recommend joining a website called ummah .com. It runs out of Britain but has a world audience. It is a muslim forum where muslims discuss all things. Join with an inoffensive user name and have a look at what every days muslims think. It will blow you away I guarantee you. Don’t be disrespectful or ask pointed questions about Mohammed or you will be quickly banned. Again I recommend everyone spend an hour or two at ummah.com for an unvarnished vision of Islam as demonstrated by its followers.
The ideology is full of delicious contradictions as well. For example Zagat is the tax all muslims are expected to pay annually to charity. In practical terms it is equivalent to two or three percent of a believers annual income. You may have often heard of middle east charities that are active world wide. The truth is that the Quran directs that this charity tax also goes to fund jihad and is explicitly stated so in the Quran. So not only is this money collected to buy poor Moustapha a pair of sandals when he has none but also to buy young Muhammed a box of AK47 rounds for jihad. The division of the funds is up to the Imams but it seems Moustapha always remains shoeless in the unhealthy world of Islam. Did you know that a portion of the Tsunami’s relief funds went for new whips for the enforcers of sharia law in Banda Ache?
set you free,
Hitler did embrace Darwinism.
He also saw Christianity as a Jewish plot
one of Germany’s biggest thinkers of the 19th century — Wilhelm Marr — coined the term “anti-Semitism.” In 1879, he wrote a book called The Victory of Judaism over Germandom; in it Marr warned:
“There is no stopping them [the Jews]. Are there no clear signs that the twilight of the Jews is setting in? No. Jewry’s control of society and politics as well as its domination of religious and ecclesiastical thought is still in the prime of its development. Yes, through the Jewish nation Germany will become a world power, a western new Palestine. And this will happen not through violent revolution but through the compliance of the people. We should not reproach the Jewish nation. It fought against the western world for 1,800 years and finally conquered it. We were vanquished. The Jews were late in their assault on Germany but once started there was no stopping them …
“I am marshalling my last remaining strength in order to die peacefully as one who will not surrender and who will not ask for forgiveness. The historical fact that Israel became the leading social political superpower in the 19th century lies before us. We have amongst us a flexible, tenacious, intelligent foreign tribe that knows how to bring abstract reality into play in many different ways. Not individual Jews but the Jewish spirit and Jewish consciousness have overpowered the world. All this is the consequence of a cultural history so unique in its way, so grand that every day polemic can achieve nothing against it. With the entire force of its armies the proud Roman Empire did not achieve that which Semitism has achieved in the West and particularly in Germany.”
Keep in mind that when Marr wrote these words, the State of Israel did not exist, nor was there even a hint in the geo-political situation that it might come into being anytime soon. Marr, in speaking of the Jewish national threat, was speaking about the great ideological struggle of Jewish worldview versus paganism, which had been playing out throughout Jewish history.
(from Aish HaTorah Crash Course in Jewish History)
Christians and Jews are still struggling against paganism.
ex-liberal – You are wrong about Hitler. He considered himself a Christian.
A quote:
“No, it is not we that have deserted Christianity, it is those who came before us who deserted Christianity. We have only carried through a clear division between politics which have to do with terrestrial things, and religion, which must concern itself with the celestial sphere. There has been no interference with the doctrine (Lehre ) of the Confessions or with their religious freedom (Bekenntnisfreiheit ), nor will there be any such interference. On the contrary the State protects religion, though always on the one condition that religion will not be used as a cover for political ends….
National Socialism neither opposes the Church nor is it anti-religious, but on the contrary it stands on the ground of a real Christianity…. For their interests cannot fail to coincide with ours alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of to-day, in our fight against a Bolshevist culture, against atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for a consciousness of a community in our national life… These are not anti-Christian, these are Christian principles! And I believe that if we should fail to follow these principles then we should to be able to point to our successes, for the result of our political battle is surely not unblest by God.”
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech at Koblenz, to the Germans of the Saar, 26 Aug. 1934
More here.
http://nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm
BL@KBIRD – I’m not new to studying Islam, and I have examined most of the primary sources. Ummah.com is new to me, but I’ve seen other sources like it.
As I said, I’ll have a read of Spencer to see what he has to say. I’ll read critically of course, and will check out his sources. As I’ve said, I’ve also read other authors such as Muslim scholar Reza Aslan and reformer Irshad Manji. I would recommend both of these authors to you. “No God But God” is a particularly excellent book. The comparison should be interesting. I also planning on watching Manji’s documentary “Faith Without Fear”, which I haven’t had a chance to see yet.
I have run across a number of arguments claiming that Hitler was a Christian, or that he was deeply influenced by Christianity. Some people have even gone to great lengths to assemble quotes from Hitler which show any kind of Christian or even vaguely religious influence. One website posted not only quotes but also photos of Hitler or groups of Nazis near churches, implying a connection between Hitler and Christianity. Significantly, in all of the quotes attempting to link Hitler to Christianity, put together after diligent search by the enemies of Jesus Christ, there is nothing about forgiveness for sin through the blood of Christ shed on the cross; nothing about eternal life in heaven or eternal punishment in hell; nothing about the Trinity or the virgin birth; nothing about the bible as the divinely inspired and infallible word of God, or about any other of the most basic doctrines of Christianity.
People who put up such websites are motivated by hostility to Christianity, and want only to attack the Christian faith by linking it to the evils of the Third Reich. They do not spend a lot of time on serious study of the cultural climate of 19th-century Germany where Hitler’s true roots (humanly speaking) lay. They do not know or want to know about the deep affinities between Hitler and Wagner, Houston Stewart Chamberlain, Nietzsche, Haeckel, or other earlier German thinkers and writers. They won’t comb through Mein Kampf hunting for anything suggestive of Darwinism or evolution, of Entwicklung or the struggle for survival. No, they will only take and misrepresent some vague references to God and Christianity, all of which are totally void of any real Christian doctrine, many of which were designed solely for self-serving political purposes, and have as much validity as Hitler’s promise at Munich, “This will be my last territorial demand.”
from “Christianity and Hitler”
Hitler was a pagan who wanted to put an end to God’s witnesses – Jewish and Christian.
Okay, you’ve questioned the motives of the site’s author, but what about the contents? It seems quite clear that Hitler considered himself a Christian. An example:
“My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.”
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
Actually, never mind ex-Liberal. The discussion is pointless. Hitler was evil and the less we read of anything the man said or did the better. My apologies.
Regardless of what he said he was anything but a Christian. True deceit on his part.
This argument about Hitler thinking he was Christian seems a bit pointless. I met a man who thought he was the queen of England but I’m quite certain he was wrong. I went to school with a boy who thought he was Batman. I’m quite certain he was wrong too, I received a letter a few years ago from some guy in Nigeria who said he had a bunch of money he needed help getting out of Nigeria but you know when I tried to help him he kept asking me for money do you suppose he was telling me a tall tale about all that money he promised me? If you asked any church of Hitler’s time if Hitler was a Christian they would have laughed at you and thought you were delusional or a fool or maybe a delusional fool. Don’t believe me ask Dietrich Bonheoffer, oh that’s right Dietrich didn’t make it did he. His attempt to overthrow Hitler didn’t meet with much success. Funny that a Christian trying to overthrow Hitler. I’m sure someone here on this thread said Hitler was a Christian too. Could that person be playing with us for fools?
Hitler spoke of Christianity only to consolidate power by fooling a bunch of non thinking Christians that really he (Hitler) was on their side.
However the Zeitgeist of that era had an impact on the left leaning Christians of the time. Read Tommy Douglas and you will see what I mean.
Joe:
You mean Tommy Douglas’s belief in eugenics, natural selection speeded up by the processes of man?
As I understand it, Douglas did embrace eugenics … curious for a purportedly Christian I would admit. But then, a Christian embracing a cousin of communism (socialism) is also a curious bent.
For the record, Douglas disavowed himself from the eugenics theory inspired by Darwin when he visited pre-WWII Germany.
I could be wrong, but I believe the year he stopped actively promoting eugenics was 1934.
That does not mean he did not continue to believe in eugenics, but to his credit he never enacted the practise as did Alberta.
set you free
I believe your history of Douglas is correct and I wasn’t trying to make him out as the devil incarnate. Rather I wanted to use his example as a warning to all Christians that our beliefs are often tempured by the Zeitgeist of our society and that as Christians we need not only to be aware of it but to be wary of it.
Too often “received wisdom” is not very wise.
Joe:
Any Christian denomination which tries to be with the times is doomed to ultimate failure. To overly concern itself with the world a denomination is in danger of transforming into a political party in disguise.
My understanding about the human spiritual journey is it transcends the stage we must play our lives out on. It’s more about how we deal with the hand we’re dealt and how well we understand the universal truths whose clues are all around us.
set you free
Well said
Joe:
I admit I voted for Trudeau in my younger and more foolish days.
Today, older and wiser (I hope), I have realized traditional values is the way to go and I will fight the utopian totalitarians on the battleground of ideas to my dying breath.
The 20th century has proven that no matter how many hundreds of millions of innocent human beings are killed, the human spirit cannot be dominated.
Human nature is what it is and humanity can never be evolved through passage of restrictive laws or judicial activism.
That is the wisdom of the ages. Yet, human nature has proven time and time again the folly of youth.
Hitler will not be the last to claim he is carrying out God’s will. Apparently for some, offering a Jesus video is the same as strapping on explosives to be a martyr (murderer). Here’s a hint, they are not doing God’s work when they say:
– kill the infidel
– clad her in a burqua
– shoot the abortion doctor
– invade Iraq
These are affairs of man, rightly or wrongly, and not to be confused with God’s business and plans for us.
Well said, Shamrock. It’s what I’ve been saying all along. Violence is foundational to humanity. People find excuses to kill regardless of what their religious texts say or don’t say.
Belisarius:
And when humans reject the values articulated in religious texts, when they descend into hatreds and ignorance, violence is inevitable.
The 20th century, with its proliferation of secular progressive murderers, is total proof of that.
Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot could not change human nature, so they came up with their own final solution … anybody who disagrees dies.
Hundreds of millions, more than any other period in the sad history of man, had their lives snuffed out.
Tell me, again, which one of those enlightened world views helped evolve humanity from its basic nature. Not one of them.
I will continue to fight those leftist vermin until I draw my last breath.
A lot of good and interesting comments here.
There is so much propaganda going on that it’s becoming laughable.
I’ve read (maybe here) that the massive hatred against Bush is because he is seen as a fundamentalist Christian and nothing irks post-Christians relativists (mostly rich North Americans and Euro guys) more than someone in charge of the strongest nation in the world being a Christian and being proud of it – and the threat of him daring to make a decision based on his beliefs.
I don’t see anything radical about Bush. His father is a devout Episcopalian (Anglican) and his brother Jeb is a devout Catholic – he has seen many Christian traditions – and he seems to respect them.
The only issue I have is if there are SB’s going into Iraq on their own they are jeopardizing American troops lives. To see a bunch of SB’s from South Korea held hostage in Afghanistan – and have 2 of them killed – and then have Nato and the US spend enormous amounts of money to free them and ship them back to South Korea is incredibly stupid.
The best way to evangelize people is by providing true freedom, democracy and a rule of law that allows people to improve themselves – then they will make their own decisions about religion
I think that it is Europe that needs to be re-evangelized.
I have in front of me a rather vicious looking dagger, scabbard and belt with a belt buckle that shows an eagle holding up a swastika and is inscribed with: “GOTTMITUNS”. Now if I’m not mistaken many Germans were Catholic so this Gott (God) must be the same one that Fundamentalist Christians now follow. Some Catholics will tell you that this Fundamentalist God is a different God than their God, just ask the Pope, but who cares.
The intolerant comment made by Christian folk, on this Blog, toward anyone who questions the validity or perhaps the existence of their God, scares the Hell out of me. However, as an Atheist I have absolutely no fear of Hell.
loboy2k:
Thanks for your amazing confession.
You have absolutely no fear of Hell?
That’s not surprising at all, since the absence of any moral compass (an ability to distinguish between right and wrong) is the hallmark of the secular progressive movement.
Kiddie porn? No problem.
Killing the unborn? Hey, it’s my right.
Murder of hundreds of millions who do not agree with you? Just helping along the process of natural selection.
Freedom to indulge in self-destructive behaviour? Hey, it’s my right to contract AIDS and it’s up to everybody else to clean up the mess.
Hell, yeah.
“Kiddie porn? No problem.” set you free
Was no problem in Canadian residential schools.
syf,
Isn’t “moral compass” what the believers commonly use the reason for burning or blowing up infidels & heretics?
Fanatic believers have committed atrocities in the name of religion (e.g. Christianity, Islam, Communism, etc) for thousands of years, so today’s situation is no different (i.e. collectivist group-think is the generic problem).
Actually, Bush is a Universalist:
(townhall.com) “that (Christian) constituency is likely to be troubled over something the president said in an interview with Al Arabiya television. In an official transcript released by the White House, the president said, “ŠI believe in an almighty God, and I believe that all the world, whether they be Muslim, Christian, or any other religion, prays to the same God.” Later in the interview, the president repeated his statement: “I believe there is a universal God. I believe the God that the Muslim prays to is the same God that I pray to. After all, we all came from Abraham. I believe in that universality.”
To paraphrase a remark often attributed to the late Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan, everyone is entitled to his or her own faith, but everyone is not entitled to define the central doctrines of that faith. The doctrines of what is called Christianity not only stand in stark contrast to Islam, they also teach something contrary to what the president says he believes.
It is one thing to try to reach out to moderate and sincerely peaceful Muslims. It is quite another to say the claims of your own faith are of no greater importance than the often contradictory claims of another faith. If we all worship the same God, the president should answer the call of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Osama bin Laden, convert to Islam and no longer be a target of their wrath. What difference would it make if we all worship the same God?”
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“Violence is foundational to humanity. People find excuses to kill regardless of what their religious texts say or don’t say.”
The god of the Quran commands and rewards his followers for violence against the other. This is a fact.
The Quran commands his followers to emulate the “perfect man,” Mohammad. As proven in the Hadith, Sirah and Quran – Mohammad is a known mass murderer, thief, pedophile and rapist. This is a fact.
Violence is foundational to Islam. This is a fact.
It matters much what a religious text says. In the case of the devout Muslim, by doing the violence commanded in the Quran and emulating their prophet, they are doing allahs will, and therefore their actions are sanctified and divinely blessed.
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The anti-Nazi, German theologian, Martin Niemoller:
“First they came for the Communists, and I did not speak up because I was not a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak up because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the Catholics, and I did not speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me.”
I think that pretty much sums up the sensibilities in Germany at the time.
The Nazis aimed to wipe out Christians the same way they did the Jews:
An introduction:
http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/Lucaire.htm
johan:
No, moral compass is the ability to distinguish from right and wrong.
For instance, go to http://www.canoe.ca.
There, a mother who killed her child has been released on bail.
Under the progressive secular philosophy, that seems be OK.
Under traditional values, the sancity of life is important, therefore the moral compass would tell you what he did was wrong.
Under the progressive secular system, this mother would be a prime candidate for remedial justice.
Watch this case closely (and I’m just pointing out today’s example).
The mother’s actions, killing a life which she herself delivered, will be excused in some way.
Blame-shifting is the classic technique by which progressive seculars can justify their belief that nobody is responsible for their actions, no matter how reprehensible.
And, if nobody is responsible for their actions … well, we all remember what happened to the Roman empire.
Who decides what is right and what is wrong? You’re group or mine?
With God on our side, how can we ever do anything wrong?
ron in kelowna:
Just came back from a three-day trip to your fine city.
Stayed at the Royal Anne Hotel downtown.
Anyway, the pedophiles who cloaked themselves in clerical legitimacy were not following the tenets of the Bible.
Try as I might, I have been unable to find any scriptural justification for pedophelia.
It’s perfectly fine for secular progressives, though, who reject the concept of personal responsibility.
set you free,
Why is it you were looking for scriptural justification?
Christian fundamentalists send missionaries, Islamic fundamentalists send suicide bombers. What more needs to be said?
johan:
It is up to each individual to discover what is right and wrong.
Nobody can impose self-control onto you. It’s something that comes from within.
If you’re waiting for me to tell you how to run your life, you’ll be waiting a long time.
My spritual journey is totally personal and has nothing to do with yours.
BTW, I was thinking of moving to Newfoundland.
John the Nice Guy might be a good place, I suppose.