Looks good so far.
Update: Latest results as of 8:30 Eastern Time.
VanishedDate: For some reason there is now a blank spot on the web site where the poll used to be.
Looks good so far.
Update: Latest results as of 8:30 Eastern Time.
VanishedDate: For some reason there is now a blank spot on the web site where the poll used to be.
Sorry jimbola I boycott Wal-Mart.
Shane: It’ll keep climbing … and likely accelerate in the a.m. when morning readers come on.
Albatros, I should clarify – I didn’t mean the Liberals alone on all those points (the military-gutting wasn’t solely them). But that helps illustrate my point, doesn’t it? That the Mulroney Tories did some bad things was ‘rewarded’ with political destruction. What are you willing to do to hold your side of the aisle to account?
Y’know Albatros, ya just don’t get it. A lot of people like you think we should just move on from AdScam and the Income Trust Scandal (I have a standing $20 bet with anyone who takes it that we’ll find a connection to the federal foundation funds when they become open to audit. But, I digress.)because it’s “old news.” Okay, I’ll bite. How about I come and steal your car, and then a few years later demand that you forgive me, because it happened a few years ago? Besides, I needed the money to do good for my fellow man. (And, of course, have nice ostrich leather cowboy boots while doing so.) Then I’ll have your forgiveness and shiny boots, to boot. Works for me. Well, guess what. I’m one of those people who actually has a moral dilemna about capital punishment. I will fight it to my dying days, unless of course we’re talking about people who engage in the fraudulent misdirection of public funds. Your Lib friends didn’t set up AdScam to save the country (if you believe that you’re truly stupid). They did it so they could wear Cartier watches instead of Cardinal, drive SLK convertibles instead of Sebrings, and vacation in Pismo Beach instead of Penticton. They did it because they thought they were above us, and smarter than us, and because they were actually stupid enough to think that the goddamn Liberal goddamn Party of goddamn Canada would never lose a goddamn election. They were wrong.
Before the lefties start whining about “rigging” polls, or skewing results, they should consider the truth behind these numbers. Only the left-wing nut bars who see David suzuki as some type of saviour, (instead of a self-aggrandizing dipshit) would bother to go to his site and vote in that poll. Before KATE linked to that poll, the lefties could/would have taken the results of that poll that ONLY lefties and enviro-nuts voted in, and present it at a CBC press conference as “proof” that CANDIANS WANT TO BE IN KYOTO.
what Kate has done, is not skewing the poll. I would submit that she has instead made the poll more accurate, and far more realistic. Kate has simply provided information that such a poll existed, to those who would not usually see it. The results therefore, are probably less biased or skewed because of Kates actions. Assbatross has his argument back-assward.
What amazes me is how few votes there were in the poll earlier on … it says a lot for how little traffic the site must get. One good blog links to it and the numbers go through the roof … doesn’t say much for Fruit-Fly-Guys regular traffic. We should all at least read some of the other links on it … just to be polite … if you know what I’m saying. 🙂
Who is running up the totals ?? Canadians. A lot of the same ones that have been left out of the Major Media polls for the last 40 years.
More than two thirds of Canadians reject Y2Kyoto. On Suzuki’s own site, no less !!
Who’s running this site now ?? Please update before the Zuze pulls it. Oh ya he’s playing hockey on an out door rink. Was hoping it would have been melted. More proof, ya see. I guess he’s shovling instead.
Oh, and please can alby. Background noise is always irritating.
Thanks for taking this poll
Can Canada meet its Kyoto target?
Yes, and we can do it through domestic reductions. 1838 (20.47%)
Yes, but we’ll have to buy some international credits to do it. 362 (4.03%)
No, but we should still try. 744 (8.29%)
No, so we shouldn’t bother trying. 6035 (67.21%)
Total Replies : 8979
Well, guess people aren’t buying the bull!
Speaking of the CBC, let’s get them in on this: at a minimum we’ll get another whinging piece about the evils of the right wing blogosphere (free publicity for us, even if it’s only amongst the dozens who still watch the CBC), and if we’re really lucky we can send a few into cardiac arrest (fun in a homicidal sort of way). Do you suppose we can email them? Or are they so Luddite they’re still using phones only?
JamesHalifax what amazes me is right-wing rednecks can in their minds justify manipulating a poll like that because it doesn’t agree with their uninformed biases. Even though it’s just an internet poll, it shows just how honest a redneck is.
When I voted the yes was 1774 and the nos were 1111, that is why I posted we need 666 votes. Notice the yes is now 1778, only 4 votes while the nos got 1226 votes.
If the town of Warner, AB makes the top 10 in the hockeyville contest, I will have to request your vote for Warner. A small town of 400 people, who started a girls hockey school, to keep their school open. Great success, and several graduates have received scholarships to US universities.
They were featured on hockey night in canada a couple of weeks ago. You have to vote at the cbc site.
A real poll? This? Come on, it’s a lefty wank. Chill.
I can’t say I know who is skewing the poll (although I still believe someone is running up the ‘no’ votes) – but there is a chasm of difference between skewing a non-scientific on-line poll (which no one should accept as reflecting actual opinion on anything – ever) and actually stealing/laundering taxpayer money to subvert actual elections. The LPC should have been deconstituted over that one already. How can Canadians have any faith in a system that was manipulated by those in control of the purse strings to actually use public funds to buy votes? I think you’re deliberately evading answering that particular question, albatros. If you were so confident in your left-leaning assumptions of the Canadian populace, I think you would probably call for the LPC to be disbanded, and in its vacuum would be created another left-leaning party without the baggage of the current one. I mean really, using public money to affect future elections?
I would love to see the LPC disbanded myself, and by the Canadian population in every future election. But the depressing fact is that the LPC’s membership and elites would just troop over to the successor party and start up business as usual all over again.
Shane there were a few bad apples and they were dealt with. There were also a few in Mulroney’s government and probably are a few bad that haven’t been caught yet in Harpers government. I’d be keeping a close eye on Gordon O’Connor if I were Harper.
A few bad apples? You mean like the Cretinous one in the PMO who gave us Adscam? Pretty big bad apple, there.
Albatross wrote:
“JamesHalifax what amazes me is right-wing rednecks can in their minds justify manipulating a poll like that because it doesn’t agree with their uninformed biases. Even though it’s just an internet poll, it shows just how honest a redneck is.”
What amazes me (but doesn’t surprise me) is that folks like Albatross didn’t seem to absorb the concept I was describing. Go back and read it again Ass-batross. See if it becomes clearer. If it doesn’t…buy some credits to clear the fog from your vision. If it will work with Kyoto, surely it will work for you.
I voted once, as the poll doesn’t allow you to vote more than once. If it did, you may have a point. However…this poll is “one member, one vote” which is inherently fair. Your ticked NOT because the vote is skewing reality. You are ticked because the poll is skewing YOUR reality. Figure that out….and come back and try again.
I’d give them credit for at least having the heart to try, Geoff. I believe it shows a certain defeatist attitude towards Canada as a country not to be willing to fight for it, especially within your circle of support. That conservatives have done so in a big way for 13-some years is to our credit. This kind of soul-searching hasn’t even properly begun on the left side, which depresses me. I wouldn’t be happy without a good interchange of ideas from both sides – that albatros and others like him refuse to take necessary steps to clean up their side out of fear of a ‘bogeyman’ speaks to me that they don’t have a lot of faith in Canada. They perceive it as such a fragile country, that even temporarily letting the other guys in control of it will destroy it. If we’re a country worth having, we can afford to change our leaders, on a pretty regular basis. Without this change of leadership, we get arrogance and all the attendant down-sides of that, which isn’t good for anybody.
Albatros, how many bad apples, exactly? What are their names? Are you reasonably sure that they’ve all come to light? What are their punishments? Who were they connected with (ie, are there still others who are unpunished?)? How many votes/seats were gained because of these shenanigans?
These are just few of the questions that it’s not at all clear have been properly asked, let alone answered. That you’re making light of it shows that you don’t take using public money to affect the outcome of a democratic election to be that serious an affair. What else are you willing to excuse?
Do you think suzuki and jason will cry over a beer together.
JamesHalifax there were posts here of how people were voting multiple times by deleting the cookie that said they had voted. In very short order those posts were deleted. I have the screen shots and e-mailed them to Suzuki’s webmaster.
Hi Shane, I think here in Canada the LPC has deluded itself with its own propaganda about “Canadian values.” Basically it’s just a variant of wrapping yourself in the flag and playing patriot in order to get votes. If you’re a real Canadian, you vote for us, etc. The problem for the Liberals is that they’ve actually come to believe this election time shtick and really do think any other choice but them is at least potentially fatal to the country. That of course breeds at least some of the arrogance and rigidity you can see in the Liberals every day.
By the way, I love the phrasing “No, so we shouldn’t bother trying.” Yeah, this poll was designed by a real pro. Another great example of scientific method from the Great Scientist.
Youtube has Bjorn Lomborg with CNN’s Glenn Beck.
Al Gore was to be interviewed by a major Dannish news outlet. But Gore, being Gore, cancelled when he learnt that Bjorn would be questioning him. Can you believe it ??
Actualy, yes. Lomborg was going to ask Al why his movie claims sea levels would rise 20 feet while even the UN, where the Kyoto Hoax came from in the first place, says maybe, maybe a foot. In 2100. Pathetic.
//adognamedkyoto.blogspot.com/search/label/video
Al’s Al and we should cheer him on because every time he opens his mouth he sends a bunch of voters our way.
This 1975 Newsweek article is so revealling in today’s context of Gore and Suzuki fear mongering.
I well remember being very worried about the Media-induced Ice Age Scare during the 70s.
Where is Peter Gwynne now ??
Can one be sued for yelling fire in a theatre ??
//www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/eibessential2/april_28__1975_newsweek___the_cooling_world___by_peter_gwynne.guest.print.html
You know, I always thought that Suzuki was the oddest person on Global Warming. I changed my mind. It’s definitely former Canadian Defense Minister, Paul Hellyer. He thinks that UFO technology will thwart Global Warming-
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/070228/canada/canada_environment_kyoto_3
Albatross
Nearly every post you make contains inflammatory insults. This is typical of people with a well-documented mental disorder.
Your lack of self-esteem and bitterness towards life is manifesting itself as a desperate attempt to prove you matter.
You are a little man who will die with less than what you entered this world with.
Guys, cut albatross some slack.
If he is correct that it only requires the deletion of a cookie to vote a second, third, etc time, then the poll may have been unethically skewed. However, this is only a big deal if the results of the poll were used to direct public policy. An internet poll is not statistically sound, since the sample population is self-selected. Therefore, internet polls are not used to direct public policy, and this poll matters not one whit.
Geez, I’ve really been down on pollsters lately, I basically shot down the poills that AGWN and Coyne pointed out showing the Conservatives in the lead, and now this (self-selected and therefore unsound) poll on the Suzuki site – even though the results of the polls are to my liking.
A hill of beans is worth something, as a commodity. Polls are not worth a hill of beans.
By the way, I love the phrasing “No, so we shouldn’t bother trying.”
ha-ha! Good point.
Never mind trying to say something non-partisan like “No. We should instead focus our efforts on reducing GHG, smog and pollution in Canada, in a way that will be a reasonable balance between environmental and economic sustainability”.
Is it just me but doesn’t the suzuki foundation site remind you of the mysterious Hanso foundation on Lost?
“JamesHalifax there were posts here of how people were voting multiple times by deleting the cookie that said they had voted. In very short order those posts were deleted. I have the screen shots and e-mailed them to Suzuki’s webmaster.”
Funny Assbatross…at 8 AM EST, those posts are still up,right where they were originally posted! Sure you didn’t check a leftie site by mistake? You see, SDA,unlike leftards, does not delete/remove posts,only in the extremely rare case were they are so bad that legallity comes into question. Go play with Fruitfly in the raw sewage running from his town into the Pacific.
Can Canada meet its Kyoto target?
Yes, and we can do it through domestic reductions. 1847 (19.40%)
Yes, but we’ll have to buy some international credits to do it. 364 (3.82%)
No, but we should still try. 750 (7.88%)
No, so we shouldn’t bother trying. 6561 (68.90%)
Total Replies : 9522
As of 8:13 AM EST,March 3,2007.
I will say that I do have to agree with the moonbat idiot on one point…Mulroney, and his merry band of red tories and kweebec independantistas were not conservative nor libertarian…hence why we on the right had a massive purge and re-aligment…it might have meant some time in opposition, but at least we had the courage to rid ourselves of the phonies, thieves and closet commies….damn straight the criminal libranos will never do the same
Beat me to it, Justthinkin. And as there is no “view this poll” button, you have to “vote” again to see the current results while, quite rightly, getting the “you’ve already voted in this poll” message.
Be very aware of the 34.49% “climate quislings” identified in this poll.
These are the hardcore indoctrinated army of the Fruit fly king, who will do everything possible to impoverish you with gratuitous inflation, tax and steal your property and your lifestyle, shut down your jobs and send them to China…in short, tank the nation…all at the behest of the leaders of their little green anthill.
It is this 34.49% we will be staring at on the other side of the battlefield when we are forced into a civil conflict to save our jobs, family, property from self destructive green economics.
This 34.49% is the face of the political plague that is poised to destroy our nation’s competative advantages and saddle us with a 2nd world economy…if you own property, a business, a job, a lifestyle …they are your enemy…they want you to give up your job, freeze in the dark and live in 3rd world conditions so their great Leaders can enjoy their isolated decadent lifestyle.
Ftankly folks, this poll was, to, shocking…I was shocked to see so many brainless lemmings running over the cliff with the Fruit flys. These quislings are so deeply entranced they can’t even recognize the toxic hypocrisy in their leaders.
Joanne–you have hit the nail on the head. I went to the site but couldn’t vote because the ‘questions’ were inane and self-serving. The questions asked did not address the key issue–ie–particulate pollution and contaminated waterways. The poll again showed that Dr. Fruit Fly is a one trick pony on this issue, and his very words are to spread fear rather than real actions to correct that which we really do have a chance of fixing.
Another poll gone horribly wrong eh? 🙂
Can Canada meet its Kyoto target?
Yes, and we can do it through domestic reductions. 1847 (19.34%)
Yes, but we’ll have to buy some international credits to do it. 364 (3.81%)
No, but we should still try. 750 (7.86%)
No, so we shouldn’t bother trying. 6587 (68.99%)
Total Replies : 9548
Albatross, I reckon the on-line polls are more repesntative than, say, the CBC’s “Cross Country Check-up” call-in speakers.
First, if us rednecks can rig the poll, then certainly the urbane, sophisticated, pro-fruit-fly guys can also rig the poll. All’s fair on an even playing field there.
Second, interested parties stack the calls into cross-country check-up and also, the caller selectors are biased.
Just for the lurking fruit flies and our resident degenerate liberal troll (Albatross)…as Kinsella said; this SF poll was never meant to be accessed by a wide demographic…just the small demographic of metally challenged fruit flies who surf for climate porn. It’s clear that when exposed to a larger demographic skeptical of the science and economics of Kyoto, support fails drastically.
When the question of Kyoto target committment is put directly to Canadians and the COST to the individual are made crystal clear, you will see a groundswell of backlash to this economically destructive enviro-mental thinking.
As it stands now all the loudest cheerleaders for carbon guilt taxation are NIMBYs…a few have even be exposed as the frauds they are ( like Gore)
Tell ya what…you climate porn addicts lead by example…go negative footy-print so if there is any positive results ( other than impoverishing the climate cult with its own economics) we evil cons ( who have kept our jobs and property intact) will buy some credits off ya to keep you from freezing in the dark 🙂
Albatross, there ya go agen, you ol’ progressive, you.
The only thing progressive about the lib-left these days is their reflex to dig the hole of statism progressively deeper.
There is nothing progressive about trying the same old thing over and over again, hoping to get a different result.
Wimp: I don’t think our dead sea bird is “progressive” per se, or any particular political partisan who can articulate policy optics in the English tongue….I think he’s just some poor middle-aged schmuck going through male menopause who got hooked on climate porn… seems he needs a crusade and some identity politics to associate with so he feels some sense of worth in his life which he has never had…or maybe he’s just insecure and needs validation.
Personally I would not care but when people start posting their psychosis as opinion it gets irritating.
It certainly appears to be a one man circus to me …don’t read too much into it…it’s just another mid-life identity crisis looking for a place to nest.
😉
missing link is right.
Further proof that liberalism is a mental disorder.
There’s an article on his site about lefty sluts throwing their panties at Dr Fly.
If the comment is not a literary frilly undergarment toss, than it don’t fly at Doc. Severence Pay’s place.
Don’t bother.
An update on the Gillian Wiley, who is Dr. Fruit Fly’s video girl. Keith Wiley (little Gillian’s father) scripted her appearance (see the National Post Article). She was bribed by him to do this in exchange for helping her build a playhouse.
I Googled Mr. Wiley and guess what? I was shocked (not) to find out he is the communication director for the United Nurses of Alberta and has been very active in the fight against better health care in Alberta (aka private medicine).
He has had a “long career in political journalism”.
I am absolutely disgusted but not shocked by this lefty behaviour.
As for Dr. Fruit Fly’s survey, the Canadian Public has Spoken.
Just passed the 70% mark. I don’t know who designed the poll but using cookies to record voters is idiotic.
Jest whut in tarnation are them cooky thingies that all you smart fellers are talkin about. Our lefty buddy albatross wuz goin on about them last nite too. According to him, we all are jest a bunch of redneck hicks that dont understand nuthin complex, like this global warming stuff, or how things really work, or why socialist economics is supeeerior and he and his pals should just tell usn’s whut to do cause they is sooo smrt. let alone how these fancy new computer thingies work what I bought on sale at WalMart when I went over in my pickup. No need to tell me, I woodn’t understand it anyway. I jest try te git by.
Current results are 7672 (72%) to 1850 (17%) against. I think we broke Beaker’s poll. Chock one up for the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.
Riding a hobbyhorse here: one of the things we must really try to do is reclaim the word “progressive” from the left. Progressive, roughly, means forward looking, and there is nothing forward looking about the modern left, whose ideology is very much a relic of the past and an intellectual dead end. The left are the real reactionaries these days, and if you want “progress,” in a meaningful sense of the word, you have to look elsewhere.