Robert Fulford asks Who would have predicted that the Germans would create the world’s least efficient system of state terror?.
It may have been inefficient, but it certainly was effective.
Robert Fulford asks Who would have predicted that the Germans would create the world’s least efficient system of state terror?.
It may have been inefficient, but it certainly was effective.
Read Joseph Quesnel in the Winnipeg Sun today–Not so free in Germany! Parents that homeschool their children are being arrested and their children removed by the State. Deja Vu all over again?
The sophistication and size of a nation’s secret police is an indication of how fearful the ruling elite are of the people.
We can point fingers at the repressive East German Statzie but south of us there is a nation with 2 plain cloths state police agencies and at least 3 secret police agencies which have been proven to go rogue on congress numerous times.
Civilian abuse at the hands of BATF, FBI, CIA FEMA, FDA, IRS, NSA, FMI is well documented and some have been so civilly repugnant that the feds could not keep a lid on it and they even made it to trials and inquests….yet the agencies expand under this paranoid blanket of “anti-terroism”.
I am so glad I live in a nation which is too finacially strapped to engage in the state militarization of federal police and the expansion of secret policing and statute enforcement agencies that other nations have.
In a way I fee sorry for Americans because it is the aggressive federal expansion and militarization of federal policing and statute enforecement agencies which has destroyed their republic.
East Germans are used to militarized state police..not much has changed there in police mindset since 1938
a bit off topic but for those interested to know if their site is available in China.google[greatfirewallofchina]follow the link and have a look.many interesting sites blocked including the c.b.c.who would have thunk it. amazing.c.j.g.
RE: “which has destroyed their republic.”
The USA has been destroyed? Funny it did not make the news./s
Some people never grow up, and desperately need to have someone watch over and control their daily lives. East Germany was no different than any of the former Soviet block countries in this respect.
I’ve worked with dozens of Communist block expatriates, and about half pined openly for the “good old days”, when life was orderly, and ordered.
I can’t count the number of times I’ve heard home grown socialists whine that “the government should do something” about every one of life’s problems. If these good folk were in charge, we’d end up with the totalitarianism that a good percentage of the population seem to crave.
One Stasi agent for every 166 citizens, what a bloody joke, with every one of them vying for their leaders affections. Did E. Germany have its own Gulags, or just ordinary prisons for the victims?
Have to agree with WLM about the alphabet soup of US agencies, all protecting their turf, in spite of the greatest Constitution on the planet. BATF is particularly zealous, to the detriment of the freedoms they’re allegedly trying to protect.
And it probably is only financial constraints that keep the same thing from happening here. Imagine an unacountable security agency run by Jean Chretien’s underlings, overseen by Alfonso Gagliano, answering to only the PM, who answers only to Paul Demerais. Bliss!
Someone must be really over the edge if they cannot tell the difference between the East German Stasi and US law enforcement agencies.
Geez.
Is this the future for cdn families if dion gets in and puts in national day care. Read the comments re his cross country trip in the g&m. One poster said of his trip and speech-First we lose Oshawa, then we lose— and the western half will be cancelled. Guess he didn’t get Howard Dean’s message. Another waste of liberal money.
Neighbourhood Watch, Communist version:
Poland under the heel-jackboot of Communism-Socialism. …-
Poland: no more privileges for perpetrators of communist crimes
Polish Radio External Service
Excerpt:
All this is part of the “Memory and Responsibility” program of the current government which aims at squaring accounts with the criminal and anti-Polish activity of the communist tools of repression. This is to be conducted parallel to the vetting or “lustration” process, which reveals secret collaborators of the communist regime among present day public figures. History professor Paweł Machcewicz sees both processes as complementary.
‘If we had only “lustration”, we would reveal secret collaborators. But very often those, who were more important, were not collaborators, but functionaries. They gave orders, they “broke” people and made secret collaborators of them. In my opinion it is logical and just to prepare a new law regarding functionaries, to finish a situation in which perpetrators enjoy very good financial and social privileges. I don’t know the details of this law yet, but as far as the general idea is concerned, I think that it’s very just, it was expected, we should have introduced such a law a long time ago.’
Security service was one of the main pillars of communist dictatorship in Poland for over 40 years, reminds professor Machcewicz.
‘All these structures and services committed many crimes against opposition, Solidarity movement, the Church. Not only in the early period of the dictatorship – the 1940s and the 1950s, during the Stalinist times but the most brutal crimes were committed also in the 1980s, such as the murder of Father Jerzy Popiełuszko, who was very close to the Solidarity movement.’
People working for communist services resorted even to torture and murder, continues Professor Machcewicz.
‘In this early period of the communist regime, the security services conducted invigilation against not only hundreds but several thousand members of underground independent groups who were against the imposition of the communist regime in Poland. Those functionaries used various kinds of tortures against the people who were under arrest. All this was revealed after the death of Stalin, especially in 1956, but the new security service also started to commit crimes, perhaps not on such a broad scale as earlier, but around 100 people were killed in the 1980s. The great majority of these cases were never fully explained and people guilty of these crimes, presumably functionaries of the security services were never prosecuted and even nowadays they benefit from special privileges.’
The new law that deprives former communist functionaries of privileges and access to public offices is not welcomed by post-communist politicans, among them Wojciech Olejniczak of the Democratic Left Alliance party. His party wants the new bill examined by the Constitutional Tribunal. …-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1794504/posts
dmorris: “Imagine an unacountable security agency run by Jean Chretien’s underlings, overseen by Alfonso Gagliano, answering to only the PM, who answers only to Paul Demerais.”
We have it already! It’s the NWEST, the special C-68 firearms law enforcement team.
The last job I remember reading about was in the Winnipeg Sun where they had seized a firearms collection which supposedly contained an RPG. The Judge made them give it all back. The supposed anti-tank rocket launcher was a burned out high altitude research rocket.
The US has it’s problems with police agencies as any bureaucracy bloated with power would have, and it probably simply has too many of those agencies, but I wouldn’t be one to praise our own over theirs.
Another old adage confirms its worth in truth.
” A dog always returns to eats its own vomit”.
I’ve heard that the Gestapo was a real organisational mess, too. And VERY frightening. The truth is, that Germans even though they idolise good organisation, are not naturally very good organisers. Not nearly so good as the Irish BTW, who have a bad reputation at it.