Mark Holland, Edmonton Journal, February 12, 2007
“There is nothing more predictable in Alberta politics than the emergence of the “Eastern Federal Bogeyman” in a provincial election year. So it’s no surprise that Premier Ed Stelmach recently called in reporters to declare falsely that I had suggested a federal Liberal government would nationalize the oil- sands.”
Moron.
Not sure if that quite captures it….
http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/moron
Keep on talking Mark…You STILL have not learned your lesson. Your constant blather only serves to discredit you as a politician. Yes Mark, keep talking.
How do people think the liberals can run the country properly?
Some of them cannot even count to 4.
Not only is he off by a year – Holland evidently believes the way to win hearts and minds in post-NEP Alberta is to write a hostile letter to the people of the province informing them that their Premier is a liar – as though none of them heard his interview on Rutherford.
Holy crap. Is he off his meds?
Now that’s a Moron AND a worm.
Treating Westerners like a bunch of stupid hicks
and he expects to explain it away?
It seems no matter what Liberals say it’s always “misconstrued” or their “misquoted” when they put their feet in their mouths.
Duffy thinks Holland is a real up and comer for the Liberals, so much for his opinions, the guy is toast.
Is Mark Holland a Conservative plant? No one could be this stupid. Or maybe he is a Liberal plant, as in fern, or perhaps he has been smoking too much of a certain plant.
Too bad the media is hiding the story.
Hmm, Holland decided to use another of his fingers with this letter.
In the referenced article, Chris Scrupa writes:
“Holland fails to acknowledge that the major companies are continuously looking for technologies to reduce the amount of energy input to produce oil. In the case of Steam Assisted Gravity Drainage production, companies are looking for ways to reduce the bottomhole pressure to decrease the steam temperature. Coincidentally, my company supplies and manufactures the Electric Submersible Pumps that makes this possible. EnCana has realized immense savings in natural gas costs by using my company’s technology.
“Petrobank is investing heavily in the Toe-Heel Air Injection process which eliminates the requirement for steam altogether and upgrades the bitumen in-situ. Suncor and Syncrude have built co-generation plants that not only supply process steam for their plants, but feed electricity into the power grid. Nexen and OPTI are utilizing a proprietary upgrading process that utilizes waste products to generate fuel gas for steam production. Multiple companies are looking at nuclear power as an alternative for natural gas for generating steam.
“So it is clear that the technology to reduce the amount of emissions from oil sands operations is here, it is being developed, and companies are taking a hard look at reducing the amount of energy inputs because it makes economic sense to do so.”
Recall also that David Warren wrote last week – http://www.davidwarrenonline.com/index.php?artID=704 – “The solution, to this possibly non-existent problem, would be the positive introduction of more efficient energy sources that do not require oil, gas, coal, or firewood. Now, strange to say, global capitalism is working on this night and day, for there is big money to be had from a breakthrough. And nobody else is working on it. Killing the global capitalist goose will not lay the golden egg.”
Like Chris, my global capitalist goose, er, company, makes products and services that help us provide cleaner, more efficient energy around the world, be it petro, hydro, or nuclear (our software is currently being certified for use in nuclear plants). France gets 70% of its electricity from nuclear power, and Japan gets 90%. So why are the left against capitalist geese? For some of them, it’s simply because they are well-intentioned idiots. For others, it is because they are evil.
The Liberal party and its members are beginning to make ‘The Gang That Couldn’t Shoot Straight” look like a bunch of MIT graduates.
Mark Holland is a yet another gift that keeps on giving, is it possible to get him to say this in a federal election campaign? It is yet another example of the media’s unwillingness to tell the truth about what the Liberal’s really believe.
Bryan
Holland knows Alberta is a political wasteland for the Libs. Like Chretien and Martin, he knows there is literally nothing he can do to LOWER their fortunes there. Hence, anything he (or they) ever do has to be viewed in the context of how it will play in the national media and for the voters in Ontario. I believe that’s all this is.
Holland is too stupid too realize there are many in Ontario that need and want a strong Alberta economy to keep their jobs
We should also note that Alberta is not the only part of Western Canada that is a bit pissed and a bit frightened of his statements. Both Saskatchewan and Manitoba have oil patches, and Saskatchewan has oil sands that potentially match Alberta’s reserves. The oilsands don’t end at the Sask/Ab border, the government does. In the overall strategy it is indeed possible to look deeper and say the Liberals don’t have a chance in Sask, but if they scare off some of their own vote into the NDP camp, it may be enough to defeat some Conservatives in Sask. This would work to their benefit in a numbers game for minority govt. status. Sneaky, yes, possible, maybe, paranoid, a good chance, but could these guys think like this, why not?
Holland is too stupid too realize there are many in Ontario that need and want a strong Alberta economy to keep their jobs
I suspect that many in Ontario don’t realise this either.
Holland is just ensuring he is on the record as disputing it. TO the extent that matters. For him it is better than not saying anything at all.
Shows up in google searches for when people check out the dispute.
He is a peacock, nothing more.
I have a question that has been lingering in my mind for some time. I guess it’s one of those questions that a person is scared to ask because the answer might be so obvious that you’ll feel like an idiot when it’s pointed out to you…but here goes anyway…
The article that this post links to mentions that, with NEP, Ottawa “stepped over their constitutional bounds.”
That’s what’s been bothering me. With the NEP, Ottawa put restrictions on how Alberta handled its naturual resources. The latest ranting from Holland and the Dion crowd also hints that they will, at the very least, hinder Alberta’s oil-sands production.
Now, as I have always understood it, natural resource management and production is entirely a provincial issue. So, how do they (the feds) get involved in dictating terms of natural resource management? Isn’t that a case of ultra-vires…kind of like if the provinces decided they wanted to start printing their own money?
Caught lying. Now twice.
Pure Librano. Through and through.
dudley morris ,you’re close but i think hollands just too stupid to realise he’s stupid .
GO HOLLAND GO !! tell us more .
I hope like heck Holland will become the new Liberal leader!
Holland for PM!
Holland for PM!
Daryl,
I believe you’re correct. But I can’t reconcile this mentality with Howard Dean’s speech at the Liberal convention. There he attributed the returning fortunes of the Democrats to the abandonment of that old idea that hostile voting blocks should be written-off. Say what you want about Dean, this was a valuable message.
But the Liberals are not paying attention. Holland is demonstrating clearly that the Liberal Party still doesn’t have a plan of rapproachment with Alberta. This is only rational behaviour from a block-styled party with no ambition of representing the entire federation.
This occurs all the while the CPC, using the opposite tact, continues the noble battle of trying to make inroads in their non-traditional centres of support such as Quebec and the three largest cities.
No doubt embarking on this course is a long, tough, uphill battle. Canada is either worth it or it isn’t. For the Liberals…apparently not.
As bryceman pointed out, the NEP stepped onto provincial jurisdiction when they imposed that on Alberta, I would just like to go a step further and point out that it has never bothered liberals to step into someone else’s jurisdiction, they have done a lot of that sort of thing over the last 13 years they were in power, it has never bothered them before and I doubt it would now. Liberals are good at interfering, not governing.
Bryan
Daryl/Bryan,
It will come down to whether environmental legislation is a provincial or federal responsibility.
If federal then this is the way they get at it. Not directly but by imposing caps on carbon emission. Province still gets to regulate the resource in the ground but the feds regualte what is emitted in the air.
However, I cannot remeber off hand which jurisdiction holds the better claim.
Who was responsible for acid rain legislation? That will tell you who has the cards
Clause 92A of the Constitution Act states: “(1) In each province, the legislature may exclusively make laws in relation to […] (b) development, conservation and management of non-renewable natural resources and forestry resources in the province, including laws in relation to the rate of primary production therefrom […]” (Emphasis mine.)
Remember back in the day when acid rain was going to kill us all?
Stephen
If my memory serves me right, it was the feds who inroduced acid rain legislation, in the late 80’s?
Bryan
Same old recyled Liberal ideas. Just wait unil they recylce the National Energy Policy to the National Environmental Policy, NEP.
Mark’s going to be an advertising star in the next election for the CPC. I wonder if he’s getting paid Screen Actors’ Guild union rates?
Not to put too fine a point on it, but I do believe there is some difference between H2SO4 and CO2.
Do you suppose Mark Holland and Scott Reid get together every Friday night for beer and popcorn?
The Actors are still on strike. Can we call Holland a strike denier by his continued acting.
How many workers and families are in Alberta from Ont, NFLD and the Maritimes, and for the first time getting the media bias against Alberta. They in turn will tell their families, friends, etc about the blindness of liberal voters in their home provinces. It is a standard joke in many parts of our prov that it takes two elections to turn all easterners and immigrants into conservative voters. The first election they vote liberal, ndp, the next one they have smartened up.
Vitruvius,
I think you miss my point….I am not advocating I am raising a flag. The Alberta government won the provinical resources argument in the courts.
If the federal government was able to introduce Acid Rain legislation governing the emissions of H2SO4 then the federal government will have the clear constitutional path to govern the emission of C02….just because they can doesnt mean they should, just dont count on the constituion to be Alberta’s friend if it ever comes to a fight about it.
Of course who sets emissions standards? I thought it was the provinces, so it really isnt clear whose ballpark this issue plays in….
One of the things I just love about the Liberals Is how well they prove the old adage; ” you can’t fix stupid”.
Sorry I wasn’t more clear, Stephen, I do understand your point, moreover, I agree with you. That’s why I’m not sure the Constitution will survive this time.
This is why I think you will see co-operation from the industry and the Alberta provincial government…..Harper can say….either you work with me on this and make me look good or you deal with Mark Holland and Stephane Dion….
I still think there is a deal being worked out so the CPC can say that they get more done and have workable plans. My bet is still on something like Carbon Sequestering…..long lead time to implement, leaves control in the hands of the industry.
Of course I still think this whole thing is overblown, but it is the kind of issue that could explode….Harper nuetralizes it and majority government guaranteed and then we move on to the next Liberal leader, if its Kennedy then good, you can kiss Quebec goodbye for the Liberals…..we could be looking at 2 CPC majorities.
Stephane Dion is a control freak who is muzzling his critics!!!! Gah. He is muzzling Mark Holland and hiding his radical Liberal socialist loonies in backrooms!! Not only that – now we hear that Dion’s office staff are quiting in droves! Proves he is an autocratic dictator control freak. His way of the highway!
Does any of this sound familiar? Just change the words to Harper and these kinds of statements made front page headlines in the Globe & Mail, Toronto Star, CBC, CTV and was ongoing fodder for the chattering Liberal heads on the various “so called impartial” political talk shows.
NO double standards here. Nope. Nada. Mark Holland is “ministerial quality” according to Duffy and Taber last week. He is just “naive” as a rookie. Tsk Tsk. Poor boy.
I am so sick of Liberal apologists and the public being taken as foolish sheep easily manipulated by lies and propaganda.
How can we combat this?
Mary T.,
Two? Four, by my count. At least, in these parts.
A real country would have elected much less than 103 Liberals in the 06 election. Or 2004. Or 2000.
Another day in the House of comics QP and Holland could not get his ass off his seat. Steffawn, Control Freak, has him anchored.
He looked mighty subdued, sitting there behind Big Mouth Jennings, who rises every QP to rant. He should trade seats with someone if he wants stay out of sight and hope we forget about him.
Perhaps Mr. Holland will be happy when for every dollar they are going to try to take out of Alberta regarding the oilsands, Alberta will tack on the equivalent dollar value/bbl on any oil bound for eastern Canadian markets in the pipeline system. On the other hand, I know Montana would sure like the work that a brand spanking new pipeline headed straight south from Fort Mac would bring.
So, why worry about the “constitution”, or who has jurisdiction over what? Ditch it and the rest of this dysfunctional Soviet Canuckistan. Work for Alberta separation. Tell Stelmach to use our oil & gas ecoonomy to help develop & expand our own industrial base, get Toyota to build plants here to build vehicles (amoung other items we need) and compete with overpriced labor and products from the central regions. Sell them south of the border or world wide. Build our infrastructure to enable that to happen and serve our best interests here in Alberta and the rest of the west, if they want to sign on. keep our money here instead of sending it to central Canadian manufacturers. “I have a dream” – Martin Luther King. Free the west.
Bryceman:
I am not sure if anyone answered your question. The NEP was unconstitutional and Alberta Premier Lougheed took the Trudeau Federal government to the Supreme Court and “won” in 1982. The program was altered but remained until 1986. The monies that were transferred were never returned. So the significance of the “win” was not monetary. This theft and violation of Canada’s Constitution continues to be one of the driving forces behind the Alberta Independence movement for those who know some of the details of the NEP.
Well I guess there is ONE thing more predictable than……..”The emergence of the “Eastern Federal Bogeyman” 😉
Whe the NEP was introduced the NDP govt at the same time nationalized the potash companys and formed Sask oil.They said it was because of the big bad oil companys but in reality it was so the federal govt couldnt tax crown corps.When it was all over the crown potash companys were sold and also SASK OIL which became Wascana energy and they moved to Calgary.
Mark Holland is my personal Happy Pill.
And it’s seem to a time release pill too.
Just keeps working.
Remember Holland’s questioning “technique” during the Ara inquiry? Basically he lied about previous testimony in an attempt to get Stock Day to tie his own noose, twice. Both times Day graciouly side stepped the attack by pointing out that he had heard the testimony of previous witnesses; that Holland must have misunderstood. Maybe he should have just called him a liar flat out, the guy seems to be truthfully challanged.
Brent:
Thanks for the info. It still boggles the mind, though. It’s not just the Alberta oilsands that brings to mind the question of federal/provincial jurisdiction. The Atlantic Provinces and the fishing industry they have is another good example. That should also be a provincial issue…but no one denies the fact that the feds (Department of Fisheries and Oceans) decides the quotas for fish that can be taken. It’s the same for BC’s salmon industry: it is Ottawa that negotiates the agreements between the US states of Washington, Oregon, Alaska, and…Canada (as opposed to BC). Meanwhile, BC does seem to control their own forest industry – sans Ottawa. I just don’t get it.
The constitution is so clear that the provinces have total jurisdiction over their natural resources. But it seems that Ottawa has de facto control. Like I said, I just don’t get it.
Thanks for the info on the NEP though.
Bryceman, clause 92A(1)(b) of the Constitution explicitly applies to “non-renewable natural resources and forestry resources”, so fish aren’t covered by that, but trees and mineable deposits like oil and gas are.
Also, folks, note that clause 92A(2) states that: “such laws may not authorize or provide for discrimination in prices or in supplies exported to another part of Canada”.
The other details are here: laws.justice.gc.ca/en/const/c1867_e.html
I don’t know if people in Eastern Canada realize just how close they came to losing the country in the last election. If the Conservatives lose the next election, then all bets are off.
After just crawling of my tarpaper shack and sitting down to steal my satellite feed of the internet from my third cousins sisters mother I saw that that enlightened Ontario fellow Mark Holland wants to tune us ALBERTANS up. Heavy on the ALBERTANS I am as we are carrying the water for this disfunctionual country. Mark Holland you stinking ontario puss pocket you couldn’t last a minute in what I do, you might need Belindas stylist to clean up your hair and Martins or Dions proctologist to clean up your pants. Your kind makes a girly man look hot to Rosie Ohdumbell. You had better learn this quick, you neo-svend,, ALBERTA will never stand for another NEP. If you stinking,, lying, thieving, cheating, pork-barreling, snivelling, immigrant electorate stacking, left wing activist/ judge appointing losers ever get back into power and take another run at us,, well read the story of the Liberals that killed the goose that layed the golden eggs, you piece of Ontario shit.
Anyone notice that we DIDN’T just have a provincial election here in Alberta … I do believe it was a Conservative LEADERSHIP election.
This guy is a nut …plain and simple nut as his leader!!!!