Hizb ut-Tahrir In Mississauga

Religion Of Submission 71 Comments

When the concept of multiculturalism was introduced to Canadians, most assumed it meant “more pavilions at Folkfest”;

The Islamic supremacist Hizb ut-Tahrir (HT) Canadian event is publicized on the Hizb ut-Tahrir web site as being sponsored by “Hizb ut-Tahrir Canada” as part of HT’s “2009 Khilafah Campaign,” which included the July 19, 2009 HT event in the Chicago Oak Lawn, IL suburb. HT has advertised this event to be held at the Canadian govt-managed facility in Mississauga for: “Friday, July 31st, 6.30PM to 8.30PM, Frank Bean Lounge — Mississauga Valley Community Center, 1275 Mississauga Valley Blvd, L5A 3R8.” The HT Canada event has also been promoted by a Toronto, Canada website called “TorontoMuslims.com”. (R.E.A.L. contacted this Toronto Muslim website to ask why they were promoting such a supremacist organization’s event, and received no reply.)
The Hizb ut-Tahrir web site promoting the July 31 event in Canada also promotes a pamphlet (page 62) [pdf] that supports killing those individuals who leave Islam as guilty of “treason and a political attack on the Khilafah.”

They’ve de-linked it now, though the title still appears on the website. The “conclusion” starts at page 60, if you’d like to skip ahead to the juicy stuff.

Entering into Islam is essentially entering a contract. There can be no compulsion in it. People enter into Islam based on free will. As there is no force the intellectual conviction must be overwhelming especially since someone entering into Islam willingly knows full well there can be no return to non-Islam due to the death penalty – This cements the need for intellectual conviction. It also prevents those who would seek to publicly become Muslim then publicly apostate in order to bring doubt in the ideology. No ideological state would allow its basis to be openly questioned in society as this would lead to the weakening and possible removal and replacement of the ideology by another.
Apostasy is a question of what kind of person would openly and publicly abandon Islam with full knowledge that they will be killed for it, rather than either keeping it to themselves or leave the Khilafah. Hence, the death penalty only applies on those who in the Khilafah openly leave Islam, and choose to remain in the state despite knowing the law; this is considered an open attack on the basis of the state which is Islam, essentially it is viewed as treason and a political attack on the Khilafah in order to undermine it. No ideology would tolerate this.

h/t CS

71 Replies to “Hizb ut-Tahrir In Mississauga”

  1. I’m available later this week to stir the sh!tpot at their Mississauga hate event … anybody joining me?

  2. Let’s attend their Mississauga hate event. Compressed air boat horns (cheap at Canadian Tire) make a very loud noise and are quite distracting. Ladies …be sure to go topless with Daisy Mae cut-off short shorts for maximum offense. I’ll grill up some peameal BACON sandwiches for us.

  4. In anticipation of the need to police such events with appropriate sensitivity, have female RCMP officers been issued red serge


    hijabs?

  5. Remember that Islam is less of a religion and more of a tribal societal-political ideology. and a 7th c, non-industrial, sustenance style agricultural ideology. All societal-political ideologies are human creations and amenable to modernization and change.
    The Islamic one has been isolated from change by defining its axioms as a religion, straight from the mouth of god, so to speak. That means they are inviolate.
    And, they are tribal axioms. That means that they refer to This Tribe and not That Tribe. A tribe is a hereditary system; you are born into the tribe – despite the article’s saying that it is a choice. It is not a choice. If your father was Islamic, so are you, just as in the Jewish religion, the link is matrilineal. It’s only the Christian religion that moved out of hereditary identity and into individual choice.
    But, as a tribe, it is important to the tribe to maintain its population base. It cannot permit reduction in that population – that’s why the death penalty for anyone daring to leave. And thereby, joining Another Tribe.
    Islam is locked into a 7th c tribal mentality, it rejects the use of reason, rejects individualism, and therefore, rejects science, industrialism, democracy – all of which are the domain of individual reason and analysis.
    Why does one join such a system? Because of the comfort of tribalism, which is a situation where you take no risks. Your life is totally run by ‘the will of god’ and you, yourself, are responsible for nothing. Nothing. That’s also why so many Muslims are on welfare in Europe because government is viewed as an aspect of this overall ‘looking after me’.
    View unreformed Islam as a pre-industrial tribal type of socialism – and you’ll get a better image of it. Remember that it’s tribal, which means that it views other people as “Other Tribes’ and therefore as enemies to be conquered.
    View it as an ideology that rejects doubt, questions, and individual reason and you’ll see how it encourages passive blind devotion.

  8. Another chapter on the religion of pieces and reaffirms what ET has written. I don’t remember heads rolling when socialists like Rae or MdGuinty undermined our capitalist system, probably at work that day. When was any Islamic country a leading nation of the world or produced anything of value, maybe 1,000+ years ago, maybe?
    “Thus the issue of apostasy form part of the rules to do with the defence of the ideology. It can be seen that both capitalism and communism had mechanisms in place to protect their
    respective ideologies and they dealt very harshly with anyone among their citizens working to
    undermine them. It is in this context the Islamic rules of apostasy need to be understood. It
    also needs to be understood that Islam is not just a punishment system but has an economic
    system, social system as well as a ruling system. Our history shows when all of Islam was
    applied the Muslim world prospered and become the leading nation in the world

  9. Communism, as a socialist ideology – as is Islam – most certainly is repressive against its people. A socialist or communitarian ideology requires submission rather than individualism.
    But capitalism is based on risk-taking, on individual enterprise, and has no procedures, governmental or otherwise, in place to reject non-capitalist systems in its midst…other than free speech and elections, which serve, like the free market, to reject ‘that which does not work’.
    The “Muslim world prospered and became the leading nation (sic) in the world”? heh. In what ways? In the well-being and prosperity of the people? In technological, medical, scientific advances? In human rights? Heh.

  10. email the Mayor (i did), post replies (if any) here.
    This is multiculturalism from a fully seated unionized pc city bureaucracy. Dealing with people and organizations with cool non-European names is so liberating.
    Is Barbra Hall invited?

  11. Entering into Islam is essentially entering a contract. There can be no compulsion in it.
    Not if one has been born into it.
    If an individual was born into Islam they have not entered into a contract and threatening death is a compulsion to remain against one’s wishes or conscience.
    Sheesh.
    I don’t know why these guys try so hard to appear reasonable when their reasoning is rubbish.

  12. I found this excerpt most interesting:
    In al-Sham the Nestorian Christians used Greek
    philosophy to counter the dawah of the Muslims. All the Muslims who defended Islam did so
    with the only intention of furthering the dawah and cementing Islam in those lands. However
    the way one defends Islam is different to one’s sincerity. Some Muslims responded by
    attempting to use the ideas of Plato and Aristotle in the hope of convincing the Christians of
    Islam and at the same time refuting Greek philosophy. These Muslims used logic to achieve this
    and the Christians were using the same method. However problems occurred because such
    Muslims were not acquainted with such a process of thinking and in fact reached conclusions
    which contradicted the Islamic aqeedah. Hence Greek ideas which seemingly agreed with Islam
    were considered valid and those that were not such as the discussion about fate and destiny, the
    mind, thought, the soul, the eternity of the speech of god and god’s attributes were reconciled
    with Islam using logic. Such Muslims embraced the ancient’s views taking Islam into account,
    hence reconciling Greek philosophy became the basis of the debate rather then the Islamic view
    on such issues. Such discussions and confusion occupied Muslims for centuries, led to the
    creation of sects based upon ideas which contradicted Islam and some such as the Mut’azilah
    turned into political movements who vied for leadership. Some people such as the Muslim
    philosophers, including Ibn Rushd, Ibn Sina, al Farabi and al Kindi even abandoned Islam. In
    attempting to defend Islam their minds became corrupted in making Islam palatable to the
    point they became Kafir. It wasn’t until the 10th century with the emergence of Imam Ghazali
    that eventually put an end to the corruption caused by such people. He refuted the thoughts of
    Aristotle and Plato exposing the deviant thinking of the Muslim philosophers.
    Sure brings to mind Plato’s allegory of the cave.
    Syncro

  13. I can understand why people born islam are loathe to leave it; that much is pretty easy to fathom. What amazes me is how rational-thinking Westerners can join this death cult knowing the penalty for “second thoughts”. Guess they aren’t that “rational-thinking”, after all.
    Of course, you’ll never see op-eds in any of the MSM papers challenging documents and philosophies such as these. As ex-liberal put it wryly in the “Backstroke” post, “Oh well, this is just their culture. Who are we to judge”?
    mhb23re
    at gmail d0t calm

  14. I am in calagry , i wish i could go there with my great big sign saying …..got B.S.? islam is fake it is a false socalled religion based upon military and political govornance ..it is completley fake i have read a good amount of the koran and it is basically a cancerous book calling for the conversion or killing of anyone who deos not follow allah ..the is a book also called islamic imperialism ..good book and it was about islam through out history and written by a muslim or former muslim …anyway the book is factual based on actual event’s and when the jews were enslaved by the muslims way way back i believe it was in the 400’s or something liek that ..they were taxed on there prosperity they had to pay the jizea well the jews didn’t wanto pay for that becasue htey didn’t beleive in allah …so they all started converting to islam and soon enough noone was farming or working and the muslims were like …..uhhh we have a problem we aren’t getting anymoney now becasue everyone is muslim ….ok. .ok. ….well then we will have to email muhamad and see what he say’s and his reply was only certain people were quality enough to be muslim …so they just made a big huge line and were like …ok. you can be muslim you can’t you can you can’t you can you’can’t you can you can’t …lol what an ass backwards messed up false fake politica farse ……I HOPE MUSLIMS READ THIS I WANT THEM TO HERE ME ISLAM IS FAKE FALSE AND A LOAD OF BULLCRAP ….YOU OPPRESS WOMEN ,YOU ARE FULL OF HATRED AND ANGER DUE TO YOUR FALSE RELIGION ,YOUR TERRORISTIC,AND SOOO SOOOOOOO ASSBACKWARDS ..TALKING ABOUT WOMEN SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DRIVE ,OR WOMAN MUST COVERO NE EYE BECASUE HAING TO EXPOSED IS ADULTUROUS AND TEMPTING TO MEN !! “F” OFF YOU IDIOT’S !!!

  15. Name one thing…
    I dunno, if my recollection of history serves me correctly, Islam was pretty good at supplying slaves for North America…

  18. I’m sure the human rights roos are working on building their case. Against the critics of course…

  19. Shaken
    Islam’s slaves went to arabia and persia – and in even larger numbers and who suffered an even worse fate (the men were all castrated and the few who lived became the slaves.)
    The slaves who ended up in NA were sold by competing black tribes to white slave buyers.

  20. We should be afraid, very afraid to have such movements in this country given our Charter and Multicultural crap, both are magnets for attracting such abominations to our shores.
    Call it a religion or ideology or anything else but it’s got all the earmarks of the cult of cults.
    Mississauga Mayor Hurricane Hazel wouldn’t have much to say about it, she’s an Octogenarian who plans to run for reelection! No other politico will have anything to say either. Trudeau Charter and Multiculti policies could eventually take us down. We can’t stand for nothing forever.
    Doubt anyone could amass a crowd of protesters in Mississauga but I’d love to be wrong!

  21. Posted by: ET at July 28, 2009 10:58 AM
    Well, ET, as the resident “tribalism bore” (ironic term used affectionately) you’re provided one of your best most concise summaries yet. At an earlier time, being myself one of the resident judeophilic bores, my moral equivalency alarm would have been triggered by the reference to jewish matrilinearity (sp?). But not this time.
    This is the thing eh? That there not be a reduction in the population of the tribe.
    I don’t know much about this stuff, but all those Jewish dietary laws had to do with the avoidance of disease, didn’t they — which of course could result in a population reduction.
    But you have to admit that while Islam is all about tribalism, it’s a kinda turbo-charged tribalism, eh? In a class of its own. AND, it’s object is not just population-reduction prevention but population expansion so that the whole world is Muslim, Dar Al Islam. A good example, perhaps, of the Kaffir adage “the best defence is a good offence”, which, er, we seem to have forgotten.

  22. Stage an outdoor Shania Twain concert next door with all the appropriate beer tents.
    Come on now, what has a better ring to it?
    “Man! I Feel Like A Woman!” or “Hizb ut-Tahrir”?

  24. They use the “decadence” of the west against us in their propaganda, murders, rapes, burglaries etcetera……
    Who exactly is it again committing these crimes? Who has allowed these crimes and criminals to become commonplace in our societies?
    WHO has given the world’s true and legitimate “Neo-Nazi’s” the ammunition and now the platform to infiltrate our countries as hostile enemies of our nations and culture?
    The Liberal left……………..this needs to end before it’s too late.

  25. Meeting these events with paper plackards should be a thing of the past, not present. Unfortunately it’s overdue.

  26. …there can be no return to non-Islam due to the death penalty…
    Refresh me; didn’t Canada abolish the death penalty a few years back? Or was that only for lesser offences, like murder?

  27. All right Conservatives ladies, this is your one and only chance to tell the Islamist scum what we think of them thus show up in bathing suits, teddies, night gowns, don’t forget to leave the bras at home and shave before said event. No I’m not kidding these whackjobs hate our country, and our culture let’s show them what we are made of. I wish I lived in Ontario I’d go topless with a boom box playing Jesus Loves you that should get the freak show frothing at the mouth.

  28. …[conservatives ladies]…tell the Islamist scum what we think of them thus show up in bathing suits, teddies, night gowns… ~ Rose
    That’s one strategy Rose; let me offer another. Cover your hair, hide your face and try to look like one of them. That way you can remain anonymous, as they obviously are wont to do, and above all, think of the confusion they’ll feel when, apparently Muslim, women start to protest.
    You never know, perhaps some of the real Muslim women will invoke their anonymity and join your protest.
    Unless there’s some kind of dress-code for non-Muslims in attendance.

  30. glasnost, that’s brilliant but I could never don a burka the thought of it makes me ill.

  31. …but I could never don a burka the thought of it makes me ill.
    Do it for the Gipper!

  33. I cannot think of a single thing they could do which would deliver a wake-the-hell-up call to stupid Liberals all over this country than apply the “death penalty” to a few “apostates” in Mississauga.
    Liberals are all about regulation and officaldom. A few random mullahs start arrogating the right to deliver a death penalty for apostasy denied the Government of Canada on humanitarian grounds? Going to be some ‘sploding heads, I bet.

  34. No ideological state would allow its basis to be openly questioned in society as this would lead to the weakening and possible removal and replacement of the ideology by another.
    No ideological state? Welcome to the Western World.

  35. Rose: burka with flaming skulls. And Groucho Marx nose glasses.
    Ok, screw the burka. LEATHER. Zena Warrior Princess, with helmet. Don’t fergit the sword, could come in handy.

  37. You guys aren’t taking this seriously enough. For the July 31 event, never mind the inevitable testosteronic interface between Muslim and western men (or western women with high levels of testosterone), let’s look at strategy. For women, Islam sucks.
    Once the Islamic women are empowered, even if only psychologically, the men will be wondering whether they should go to sleep.
    We should praise July 31 as a tribute to Islamic women

  40. I wonder if anyone from the HRC will be attending this shindig to fight for the rights of Islamic women in Canada.

  42. Posted by: No-One at July 28, 2009 8:44 PM>
    “I wonder if anyone from the HRC will be attending this shindig…………..”
    Hell man, they’ll be funding it with Taxpayer dollars!!!
    Does anyone seriously believe that Jennifer Lynch wouldn’t see this as the mother of all FU Canada party’s of 2009?
    This is like Woodstock on crack for the Canadian Human Rights Commission!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  43. You talk about the HT event being a “hate event” with your own mouths full of hate.
    You find no problem in abusing Muslims while you jump around complaining how abusive they have been regarding the West.
    And ET you should check what you know of Islam through the correct sources instead of writing down your imaginations or assumptions.
    How can 1200 years of a nation being the sole superpower be not known or ignored? How can its huge contributions to science and technology, arts and literature be overlooked? You should check what info you’re fed just the way you want the Muslims to stop following blindly. Isnt this blind devotion for hating the other tribe that is different from the capitalist one?
    The story written by paul from the book “Islamic Imperialism” is in stark contrast with the concepts of Islam. You mention that bit, relating it to Islam, without verifying it with the correct Islamic sources and that is being rational??
    KevinB talks about the western world and its environment to criticise openly, I ask you if you know whether Europe is counted in “the West” where it is a crime to deny the Holocaust or even to reduce the amount of those killed? Where the ban of Hijab proposals are being forwarded and considered. Where a Muslim woman gets murdered in court, stabbed 17 or 18 times by the person being tried for abusing the woman’s ideology, and this happened in front of the “Western” lawmen and law-enforcers, who, instead of stopping the killer, stopped and injured the woman’s husband(who was trying to save his wife).
    And I think Communist parties are banned in the US.
    search for this book online:
    Faith and Progress by Jamal Harwood
    It rationally discusses the basis of Islam i.e. its creed. The system of Islam emanates from this creed. If the creed of an ideology is incorrect or false then so is its system. If it rationally proves to you that God exists and you clearly decisively come to believe the existance of his commands whether directly or indirectly (through a messenger) communicated to you, then would you not be the stupid one to reject it or refuse submission to it?
    Think about this without the stereo-types about Islam. If, suppose for a moment, that there is a rational proof to the creed of Islam, one that makes a decisive belief on it, one that leads you to the rest of the answers and solutions to life, one that leads you to a comprehensive way of life, a complete system, a unique civilisation, will you be wrong to accept it and live by it and propagate it, knowing that it is the truth and nothing but the truth? Forget what you know about Islam, just give me an answer intellectually, not emotionally, to the questions above.

  44. mohammed was simply the 7th Century version of L. Ron Hubbard. Both simply made up their “religion” out of whole cloth for personal aggrandizement.
    Hubbard’s racket is mostly concerned with emptying your pocket, but mohammed’s also steals your soul.
    That’s all you need to know.

  45. Aaaah, wondered when the crazy detailers of democratic thought would come out of the woodwork!
    “How can 1200 years of a nation being the sole superpower be not known or ignored?”
    There it is folks!!!!!!
    “How can its huge contributions to science and technology, arts and literature be overlooked?”
    Lies and overstatements!
    “Isnt this blind devotion for hating the other tribe that is different from the capitalist one?”
    Tribal mentality – attempting to rationalize the death of free thought.
    “I ask you if you know whether Europe is counted in “the West” where it is a crime to deny the Holocaust or even to reduce the amount of those killed?”
    Islamic Neo Nazi propaganda!
    “Where the ban of Hijab proposals are being forwarded and considered. Where a Muslim woman gets murdered in court, stabbed 17 or 18 times by the person being tried for abusing the woman’s ideology, and this happened in front of the “Western” lawmen and law-enforcers, who, instead of stopping the killer, stopped and injured the woman’s husband(who was trying to save his wife).
    And I think Communist parties are banned in the US.”
    CRAZY roll reversal – attempting to blame “Honor Killings” on western peoples and court systems!
    “Forget what you know about Islam, just give me an answer intellectually, not emotionally, to the questions above.”
    Ok asshole – no emotion whatsoever. If you continue to tread on us and our countries, we as a people will kill you deliberately and without malice until you stop being a threat to us. Do you understand?

  46. DC I agree with you that you should form your life around your beliefs. At the same time you must keep questioning your beliefs. Without perpetual questioning growth does not occur.
    Many raised in the Christian tradition questioned their received religion and abandoned it. Others have questioned their secular humanism/scientism and have become Jews or Christians or Muslims. However for many the reason they subscribe to a particular belief system is ‘it feels right’.
    Personally I find that attitude most disquieting and make it my place to get people to question and compare. If one part of Islam, Christianity, Judaism, secular humanism/scientism is true is it all true?
    I believe it was Robert Heinlein who said that the best way to tell a lie is to tell part of the truth and then shut up. Thus it is with all belief systems. In what way are they telling part of the truth and in what ways are they keeping quiet.

  47. If more people respond to my questions in the way “Knight 99” and “gordinkneehill” have, then I might start proving my case even before I start explaining it.
    gordinkneehill wrote:
    “That’s all you need to know”
    ……. what YOU need to know is that you can actually think on your own and not depend on the brain-washing by your society.
    Knight 99 wrote:
    “….death of free thought”
    …. and in your case the death of thought itself. Any sane person reading this should ask them to think before they write, or else stay out of it. The woman’s murder was not one of the “Honor Killings”, she was killed by one of the frustrated products of the capitalist society(like those who start firing at people in high schools). He was a non-Muslim.
    Joe, dont you think accepting secularism as a belief should itself be questioned, instead of superficially being embraced by saying “it feels right”. How can a product of a COMPROMISE between the so-called thinkers and the clergy, be on a rational basis? Can you ever understand a compromise as rational?
    I not only talked about forming life on ones beliefs, I also asked what if the correctness of a creed is intellectually and comprehensively proven to you, would you accept it? would anyone here cut down on the stereo-typical, double-standard emotional statements and try to validate all that they’ve said and think upon that which I have said??

  48. If more people respond to my questions in the way “Knight 99” and “gordinkneehill” have, then I might start proving my case even before I start explaining it.
    gordinkneehill wrote:
    “That’s all you need to know”
    ……. what YOU need to know is that you can actually think on your own and not depend on the brain-washing by your society.
    Knight 99 wrote:
    “….death of free thought”
    …. and in your case the death of thought itself. Any sane person reading this should ask them to think before they write, or else stay out of it. The woman’s murder was not one of the “Honor Killings”, she was killed by one of the frustrated products of the capitalist society(like those who start firing at people in high schools). He was a non-Muslim.
    Joe, dont you think accepting secularism as a belief should itself be questioned, instead of superficially being embraced by saying “it feels right”. How can a product of a COMPROMISE between the so-called thinkers and the clergy, be on a rational basis? Can you ever understand a compromise as rational?
    I not only talked about forming life on ones beliefs, I also asked what if the correctness of a creed is intellectually and comprehensively proven to you, would you accept it? would anyone here cut down on the stereo-typical, double-standard emotional statements and try to validate all that they’ve said and think upon that which I have said??

  49. Posted by: DC >
    “…. and in your case the death of thought itself.”
    🙂 You just don’t get the big picture, fool.

  50. DC,
    The superpower you speak of that apparently lasted 1200 years is no more – fact – no emotion there. Get over it. the Greek, Roman, Persian empires no longer exist either – get over it. You seem to equate longevity with truth – which is a false assumption at best. Honor killings do occur – another fact – by Muslims – yet another fact in Canada, another fact.

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