For the ten thousandth time, you silly little conservative simpletons – it’s not anti-semitic to protest the apartheid Zionist entity may their stomachs roast in hell…
(Page here).
Nice friends you have there, Libloggers.
Via Kathy Shaidle – “A reporter on Global-TV last night said police had told her they are expecting 15,000 protestors outside the Israeli embassy on Saturday.”
what isreali did is two law
criminal law by killing innocent
civil law by taking what they must prmise is not follow yet
for people who do not folow civil law or break promise is not deserve to die but
authority in isreal need to get arrested for bring frustration to region too
isreali as politican can not spice salt to wounded and allow Hamas and come get oppourtunity too
i belive as Isreali did wrong as Hamas as well i belive both sides of poltic is guitly but guilty verdict is not necessry solution for death pentality
saying ok now hamas did misteka not i am
mass killing people for one stupid bomb their people
orang and apple are both round but two differnt spcies you can not order war for burp your stomak
by consider all society crash in that region so easy so simple with no border and let them go and kill more isreali
that is hate crime too
both sides did mistake and peple and all world are suffering of their mistake do not you think sep 11 also was not mistake of inside USA problmes offcourtse it was
the direction was wrong and still is wrong
first must do cease fired
BIG mistake west did or still doing about people Hamas or Muslim to generalize each person
you must cease fired
let idetify each person and arrest individual not bit all
as Knight said you only forest not see the trees and know detail who must live who must die
war never was best option in any history
if some one bomb your back yard you do not take gun and kill all your neighbour because of some one did wrong to you if you do this you are murder too
New you are such a fruit cake.
like i said, hamas does not want peace they want isreal anialated!
And, if someone bomb me and then run hide behind my neighbour… and my neighbour allows it….
then my neighbour isn’t much of a neighbour to start with…… i’m gonna miss him!
cause i’m fireing back!
Go Israel!
“I for one would never set foot in Toronto; when I drive north I bypass the damn place. I am all for building a fence around it and letting the tribes fight to the finish.”
Posted by: dolly at January 10, 2009 12:38 AM
That might be an extreme expression of the sentiment, but it is a sentiment that is affecting more and more Canadians. There are a lot of good folk in Toronto, some of whom post here at SDA. Unfortunately it seems that, more and more, they are being surrounded and drowning in the excess of political correctness, nanny-state-acceptance, turning away from traditional Canadian values, anti-Americanism, and too much in-migration of insular foreign, if not actively hostile, cultures. Yes, these things are happening in other parts of Canada too, but not nearly to the extent they seem to be happening in Toronto. Out here in the western colonies, I hear the place being referenced more and more as “Torontostan” and often hear similar wishes that the place could be fenced off.
I lived in Toronto during the late 1960s and early 1970s and traveled there frequently for both business and pleasure throughout the 1970s, 1980s and early 1990s. When I lived there, it had all the sense of a thriving and exciting metropolis. I am saddened to see the direction our Canadian metropolis has been taking for the last generation and the acceleration of the pace in this direction. It’s not good for Toronto, and it’s not good for the rest of us to feel like foreigners when we visit our Canadian metropolis.
Zionist Ideology, the Non-Jews and the State of Israel
http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/11860
bygeorge
if we have a airline full of people
and one hamas guy come and hijake the
airline who cary 500 innocent people
for your kind of idology
lets hit all airline to hit the hamas
but for people who has brain
try to neogitite to save more life
if you see let negotitiate to save life
for you meaning nothing
you only follow to hit one guy in airline
to kill all 500 pessenger
then try never go and work in any army or police force never and never try to direct peopel how to save huamn right
cease fire is used first to save peopel innocent life
next is see close to people who plan to see what they want
one at a time
if you see some film
you have to have brain for politic not dirty
one to save life
and that is science and art of good
communicator
this is similare a person plan to suicide when police get close the person who plan to kill himslef and drop to nigara fall for example of sake of arugment
if you said or shut at him he quickly will
jump on
when mental of human is get sick
and when you deal with bunch
of sick isreali-hamasi guy
you must not shut or bomb at them
you must made first step calm them down
to first then let them to listen
one at a time
i am not good in best communication
but i know your idea is
today conservative bush guy idea
war for ever
never work
we need smart peopel to think solution not quick solution
solution for I-P is short and long term solution and so many problmes may arise still too
people today live in I-P are not live like human
to think like normal human i am sorry to say that this is true
who can live with those abuse and war zone
thos people must be crazy still live there
or peopel who are poor or no where to go
or peopel who are oppourtunist for power andmoney stay there to take fish in muddy rivers
solution is first cease fire to save more life
And now, for something completely different:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1231424906921&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Quote: “The IDF officer also said that entire companies of Hamas had been completely wiped out, and some Hamas fighters had gone AWOL or fled battlefields.
“They are afraid to come out and fight, that’s why Mansi went out to fire rockets on his own,” the officer said.”
New.
I have pointed out to you that hamas does not want peace with israel, at any cost!
Their only goal is to anialate israel…so what is the point of talking to idiots who’s only goal is to anialate you?
your analagy is that i should die so your guy gets his way.
What bullsh**.
you don’t talk to thugs, you beat the crap out of them…they soon see the light!
by the way….there was a plane full of people on nine eleven that chose death rather than whimp out to a few terrorists.
good on them.
when the rockets stop….i stop!
till then…go Israel, you have my blessings
bygeorge: Show me where Hamas has said that the anialation of Israel is their goal? You’re cheering for a mass muderer and tyrant…who wants to see Palestinians aniahilated.
Zionist Ideology, the Non-Jews and the State of Israel
http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/11860
df:
google: hamas charter:
Or, Go read Lorrie Goldsteins article…peace a pipe dream.
Or simply watch some of these pa demonstrations.
None of them are calling for peace….!
They are all screaming for Israel’s anialation!
Go Israel!!
bygeorge: How is cheering for Israel any more righteous than cheering for Hamas?
felis corpulentis: “Yes, these things are happening in other parts of Canada too, but not nearly to the extent they seem to be happening in Toronto.”
You’re right. It’s scary. You didn’t mention one of the reasons why Toronto seems to be a runaway-horse. No one’s at the reins and that’s because Moron Miller is the mayor. This town seems to be run by union thugs and drug gangs, and it appears that “Toronto’s Finest” are intimidated by both and have a hands-off policy when it comes to dealing with real criminals in our ‘hoods.
You’ll find the police on bikes touring neighbourhoods for kids smoking dope in empty lots, you’ll find them standing around construction sites to make sure … I’m not sure just what they’re making sure of … you’ll find them at Tim Horton’s buying their morning coffee, but as far as arresting the real criminals who are making “Toronto the Good” “Toronto the Bad,” fawgettaboutit.
Over-taxed, honest, responsible, accountable, and non-violent Torontonians are being held hostage to political correctness run rampant which has resulted in the inmates running the asylum.
HELP!!
Deezflowers asks “bygeorge: Show me where Hamas has said that the anialation (sic) of Israel is their goal?”
Hamas Charter: Quote “Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.”
Next.
Vatican Official Compares Gaza to “Concentration Camp”
The Israeli attack is under increasing international criticism. On Thursday, a high-ranking Vatican official, Cardinal Renato Martino, compared Gaza to “a concentration camp.” Speaking to an Italian daily, Martino said, “Look at the conditions in Gaza. More and more, it resembles a big concentration camp.”
Carter: Israel Broke Gaza Truce
Meanwhile, former President Jimmy Carter has denounced the Israeli attack on the Gaza Strip. Writing in the Washington Post, Carter criticizes Israel for breaking the six-month ceasefire by launching its November 4th attack that killed seven Hamas militants. He also faults Israel for failing to uphold its commitment to ease the humanitarian blockade of Gaza.
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/1/9/headlines#7
In an editorial in The Guardian in January 2006, Khaled Meshaal, the chief of Hamas’s political bureau denied antisemitism:
“Our message to the Israelis is this: We do not fight you because you belong to a certain faith or culture. Jews have lived in the Muslim world for 13 centuries in peace and harmony; they are in our religion “the people of the book” who have a covenant from God and his messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him), to be respected and protected.”
“Our conflict with you is not religious but political. We have no problem with Jews who have not attacked us — our problem is with those who came to our land, imposed themselves on us by force, destroyed our society and banished our people.”[6]
Israel Rejected Hamas Ceasefire Offer in December
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=45350
Deezflowers: Jimmy Carter? Jimmy %$#@# CARTER??
(You might also want to Google Dhimmitude, further to your Khaled Meshaal quote.)
Yes Jimmy Carter…what..he’s not relevant?
“The readiness of Hamas to return to the ceasefire conditionally in mid-December was confirmed by Dr. Robert Pastor, a professor at American University and senior adviser to the Carter Centre, who met with Khaled Meshal, chairman of the Hamas political bureau in Damascus on Dec. 14, along with former President Jimmy Carter. Pastor told IPS that Meshal indicated Hamas was willing to go back to the ceasefire that had been in effect up to early November “if there was a sign that Israel would lift the siege on Gaza”.”
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=45350
“Yes Jimmy Carter…what..he’s not relevant?”
Jimmy Carter was NEVER relevant.
Nemo2: I guess you chose not to read the article, or the paragraph I pasted…go back.
batb: Yes, Mayor Miller is one of the reasons, but the problems in Toronto started long before he came into office. As I recall, you have had a series of moron mayors, going back quite a long way (eg. Lastman, Hall), but mayors can only do so much damage. In part I think it’s simply because Toronto is the metropolis, and the politically correct and multiculti rot is always more advanced in the largest centre. As a media centre, you also host the MSM which is becoming increasingly poisonous. Also, because Toronto attracted such a large share of overall immigrants to Canada in the past generation, it will also attract a large share of immigrant groups who have less desire to assimilate and who are more hostile to traditional Canadian values.
I’m old enough to remember when Toronto area federal ridings actually elected Conservatives, and most of the Liberal MPs from there were relatively sane. Things are quite different today, and that’s a reflection of the changes that have happened in the broader community. Out here on the frozen prairie we do have aspiring politicians who are as moonbatty as, say, Caroline Parrish, but it is rare for them to be elected. Even Judy Washyourgreasyknees has a way to go before she achieves the stature in moonbattery of a Peggy Nash or Caroline Parrish.
The union thugs and drug gangs are present in our prairie cities as well, but they don’t seem to have the same impact. The organization for which I work has a CUPE bargaining unit and, in the past, it has had leaders who wanted to take their cue from people like Sid Ryan, but the membership typically dumps them when they get too embroiled in the “national agenda”. Also here, the justice system is not harsh enough on the gangs and gang members, but still seems to contain them better than they are contained in Toronto.
I sincerely wish you and the other accountable and non-violent Torontonians the best in trying to contain and maybe reverse the tide of erosion in public morality. Voting in a common sense mayor would be a good start.
“Nemo2: I guess you chose not to read the article, or the paragraph I pasted…go back.”
Oh, I read the article, (I also checked out ips ‘news’ and their general stance), and I’ve also been around enough to take what the Arabs say with a pinch of salt, while watching what they do.
Nemo2: So how is Jimmy Carter irrelevant then? But you take what ever comes out of Israel as pure truth?
felis corpulentis: All good points. That’s right, Mel Lastman and Barbara Hall sure paved the way for the out-of-control moonbattery at City Hall, not to mention Jack Layton’s contributions when he was elected to City Council.
Having moved back to TO after 30 years away, I was glossing over the deterioration in sanity and integrity of our civic leaders. “I’m old enough to remember when Toronto area federal ridings actually elected Conservatives, and most of the Liberal MPs from there were relatively sane.” Touche! LOL!
Poor old Toronto: like a woman who’s seen better days. Thanks for the encouragement, fc.
Nemo2: So how is Jimmy Carter irrelevant then?
Were you around when he was President?
Nemo2: No I wasn’t. What does his presidency have to do with anything?
And what about the website…ips. What’s wrong with it?
http://www.ips.org/institutional/
Information is an agent of change. Since its inception, back in 1964, IPS has believed in the role of information as a precondition for lifting communities out of poverty and marginalization. This belief is reflected in our historic mission:
“giving a voice to the voiceless” – acting as a communication channel that privileges the voices and the concerns of the poorest and creates a climate of understanding, accountability and participation around development, promoting a new international information order between the South and the North.
The statutes of the IPS International Association provide a formal organisational framework for carrying out our mission.
To fulfil this very important mission, IPS has developed a three-pronged strategy that is reflected in its three main areas of work:
Providing news and content: producing stories and analyses, which explain how events and global processes affect individuals and communities, especially the marginalised and voiceless.
Capacity-building: empowering journalists, media organisations and civil society to be better able to communicate effectively by leveraging IPS’ unique character as a Southern-focused news agency, offering a different kind of training and follow-up.
Dissemination and networking: building an information bridge linking civil society, international institutions, policy-makers, donors and individual readers, to promote an ongoing dialogue about communication and development for a better world.
Deezflowers: Carter’s presidency defined the person; I didn’t like him then and I don’t like him now.
As to IPS, what you apparently view as commendable, I see as lefty utopian bullshit and it would probably take a lifetime of experience for you to be able to tell the difference.
Cheers.
Whats the matter df?
didn’t you read the hamas charter?
December cease fire my arse… hamas has pumped six thousand rockets into israel over the last three years, and all under a cease fire!
by the way…who do you think is supplying hamas with the rockets?
That would be Iran….those are the guys who right now, trying to put togeather a nuke so they can anialate irael and at the same time, that strip of sand called gaza. What’s you gonna say then df? or should i guess?
Me, i’m sticking with Israel!
Nemo2: You haven’t even approached explaining how Carter is irrelevant.
“Lefty utopian bullshit”…nice bit of propaganda. How is news from the perspective of the south “lefty utopian”…or is anything that’s not strictly right wing “lefty utopian bullshit”?
Hamas seems to have no issue whatsoever of providing its people with millions of dollars in small arms, ammunition, rockets and mortars!
Yet they starve??
As we send millions of dollars in food aid to the Palestinians we have become participating non-combatants in their war on Israel. When the next rocket fired into Israel kills some children in a school, you may be proud to know that you kept an army of fanatics well fed instead of forcing them to trade in their guns for food, but this Canadian will NOT be!
Major problems in Toronto is
gangs crime using druge and link with gun
price of utilities gas and electricity is quit high and house tax is high and business tax is high
even since Sep 2007 new tax was added for peopel who live in Toronot and have a car for plate renovation must pay extra $60 dollar
good about education is picking up
facilty of living is better
not typical and good for old people except if they move to condomenium
transportation is good and fast except in time of big events in sports and
parking ticket is expenisive in down town for you have need to go down town for some job to do
people are seperated but talk or act kind to each other
too much trafic tickets and parking ticket
good i never had any ticket in my life
I am good driver I guess
Muslim are in scarbourgh and Missisuga and northyork of Metro Toronot
down twon are more portogese and black african are office work people kind of people or too young for fun walking or rid bycicl or chinnese are helping
too many gaeys for sure in Toronot down town
English has in rich area like Post road north york and
so many jewish in Toronto we have too
problmes was decreasing in this year it was very bad two years ago
people has no problmes seeing diff colour of fate or background
I do not take subway for long time but people who do tell me you can see quiet so many diff in subway to see how Torontonian are look like
not smart police sorry
black teengers is not acting good in Toronot too
Muslim are doing fine in toronto so far
did good job
Hospital in emergency is doing very lazy job
hard to find family doctor in city if you move location
Bayview is street of all religious
jewish Muslim and Hindo and Budism and christina and all kind of relgion has temple or mosue
in this street
they call Bayview holly mix street
I think Toronot is quit fine
except cost of living it too high in compare with income earning peopel in live in Toronto must gain more salary for more expense in top of their head
in General people who live in Toronto are look smart to me in compare with other far away from Toronot when you go with around Toronto who are 3 to 6 hour far from Toronot you facing people who hate multiculturism and mostly are English or German people live in suborb or Italian mostly catholic are in down town are pourtgese people
Jimmy Carter was a terrible president. Were it not for Jimmy, and his belief in appeasement/inaction as a solution to the world’s problems, we might very well not be in the situation we find ourselves in today.
Jimmy diddled and then quivered while the Shah of Iran was overthrown in favour of the Ayatollah Khomeini, setting the stage and base of operations for an Islamic fundamentalist state in the Middle East.
The one good thing that can be said for the wealthy peanut farmer from Georgia, is that he was and is, entirely predictable. He’s still the world’s finest useful idiot.
cehnehdeh – I hope you dont mind. I am copying your post and pasting it in a forum at yahoo.canada under the same topic. Your post has put into perceptive numbers that make sense to me.
bygeorge: Those rockets are about the size of a toy rocket. They are homemade. They’ve killed less Israeli’s than I can count on my hand. Don’t make them out to be more than they are.
Knight 99: You are confused my friend. Those homemade bombs and small arms certainly don’t cost millions of dollars. You are exaggerating things in ridiculous proportions. We support Israel if anybody. Those food aids, ect haven’t been getting in, do you not realize that Gaza has been blockaded by Israel for the last 6 months.
For you real conservatives…none of this lefty, righty BS…REAL CONSERVATIVES. Visit Dr. Ron Paul’s site…he’s a republican from Texas, he strongly believes in liberty. He’s for small government, non-interventionalist foreign policy, rights of the people, ect.
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/
Posted by: Deezflowers at January 10, 2009 11:14 PM>
“Those rockets are about the size of a toy rocket. They are homemade”
“You are confused my friend. Those homemade bombs and small arms certainly don’t cost millions of dollars”
Homemade?
http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/?p=18491
http://newsblaze.com/story/20080305190750payn.nb/topstory.html
I’m not confused at all. Hamas is being supplied weapons by Iran and Syria, if they can receive weapons they can receive food.
We know who Ron Paul is. Wished he made president.
Knight99: if you wished he was president why do you not listen to anything he says?
The sanfrancisco sentinel..you gave me a link to a local american newspaper?
Have you heard of any long range, large missile attacks? Or just mortors and homemade missiles being lobbed over the border?
Posted by: Deezflowers at January 10, 2009 11:54 PM>
I believe I answered some of your questions in a more recent thread newly posted, so I won’t bother repeating………
Anyway gotta go, early flight in the morning, will be commenting on SDA in a few days with “the call to prayer” blasting in my ears from a crappy overhead PA system and listening to a bunch of people lecture me about “culture”………………
Cheers.
Deezflowers – if you change the name do you change the brain? No!
You are still behaving like a Hamas propagandist or provocateur in training. Some paraphrasing of positions you appear to have taken illustrates my point. “They are only small rockets so that is ok.” “Hamas offered a cease fire and Israel didn’t accept so Israel is bad.” “The historical context is not important beyond when I say it is.”
Different name, same smell, as Shakespeare would say.
But you still ask questions. You admit to being very young. That is usually accompanied by being very naïve. Naivety is cured by experience and education. To that end I suggest you read Huntington’s, “The Clash of Civilizations?” http://www.foreignaffairs.org/19930601faessay5188/samuel-p-huntington/the-clash-of-civilizations.html
Or you can read the full book that followed that. Then think about it. Talk about it with some of your friends. Then ask yourself if what Jimmy Carter did during his Presidency reflected in any way an understanding of that thesis.
I also suggest you educate yourself on the history of the region from its Judaic origins to present. What you see now has been going on for untold centuries. It doesn’t make it right, but marching in Toronto and won’t stop it. It will only export it. And we don’t want it here.
Deezflowers, read the Hamas Charter.
Look it up. Google it.
There’s a Globe and Mail article about a study of the use of racist words. Where’s the outrage over today’s protesters issuing death threats?
C.U.P.E. and the Postal union are supporting this garbage?
Yes, I get the Hamas charter. I also don’t see any real threat to Israel. I also see Israel breaking International rules in much the same manner as the US did going in to Iraq.
rroe: Show me where I’ve posted propaganda. The only propaganda I’m seeing posted, other than the bits by Kate, is on the side of Israel. Look at all these posts praising Israel for killing civilians by the hundreds…and with no discussion of the issues behind the whole situation. The ignorance is staggering.
You seem to enjoy creating straw men to argue against. Assumptions and “paraphrasing” (which looks more like putting words into my mouth) are poor debate tactics.
They are only small rockets was meant to put some reality into the context of the situation as people seem to act like Hamas actually has the ability to threaten Israel.
Israel broke the already standing cease-fire, and rejected recent UN and third party developed cease fires.
The historical part, not sure how you come up with that one from anything I’ve said. I believe I’ve stressed the historical context while others see only what the western media feeds them. Hell, just look at the links Kate provides…the NY times….you’re gonna trust the NY Times??? On a matter that links directly back to the US? Don’t be so naive.
You linking being young with being naive…that would be naive, and ignorant. Labeling and stereotyping, two things you seem to be good at.
Jimmy Carter was just one of the people involved in writing up a cease-fire…that’s it…I don’t care about his presidency, that’s not what this issue is about…so drop it.
It’s judaic origins say that Israel should not be colonized until “Jesus returns”. International Law recognizes the Gazan strip as Palestinian land, yet Israel has been occupying it with military force. Or do you ignore anything that doesn’t prop up Israel as the poor innocent victim.
Deezflowers says ” I get the Hamas charter. I also don’t see any real threat to Israel.”
…………………….
As I posted earlier:
“Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.”
If you don’t view this as a ‘threat’, just compare it to the relatively innocuous, (apologies to Godwin), ‘final solution’ embarked upon by one Mr Schicklegruber.
‘Final solution’. Sounded like he was prepared for a mutually acceptable agreement, didn’t it? And we know how that turned out.
Nemo2: One must distinguish between a real threat and words. Israel receives billions of dollars from the US, some of that is in the form of military machinery. Therefore not only do they have the quantity, but the quality, high tech weapons. Gaza is a dense urban neighborhood, and a refugee camp. No, Hamas isn’t innocent and aren’t a group that should rule anything.
Deezflowers: I’d call Hamas’ statement a Letter Of Intent, the intent being that, when they recieve the ‘appropriate’ weaponry from their sponsor(s) they will use it.
(Y’know, I’ve never cared for the ‘refugee camp’ analogy so often used; I wandered into Gaza in 1982, it was a built up area then and is more so now…….it’s time for the Palis to stop crying “Poor me” and get their asses into gear.)
Finally something more than socratic questions from Deeznuts/flowers. And it reveals the true nature of the beast.
I am not stereotyping. I am engaging in even more juvenile behaviour. I am name calling.
rroe: Sorry, I’m not quite following you.
As a born Canadian of Portuguese decent I proudly stood with the Demonstrators and called for the state of Israel to remove themselves from occupied Palestine.