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Alex Berenson;

Yale University scientists have found Covid spike protein in the blood of people who received Covid mRNA shots – up to two years after they received the jabs.

The people were never infected with Covid, antibody tests show, and our immune systems rapidly destroy newly produced spike proteins. The finding suggests some people who took the shots may be making the proteins on their own.

A possible reason is that genetic material delivered in the shots has integrated with human genes and is continuing to activate protein-making structures in our cells. If found to be correct, this explanation has serious implications for mRNA vaccine safety and the more than 1 billion people who received mRNA Covid doses.[…]

They researchers discussed publishing the findings with at least one major peer-reviewed journal, a person with direct knowledge of those discussions said. The journal declined.

The scientists now plan to publish the findings very soon on a unreviewed “pre-print” server so that other researchers and members of the public can see them and discuss their implications. They also intend to send samples to an independent lab for validation, though they do not believe they’re mistaken.

92 Replies to “Safe and Effective®”

  1. “The journal declined.” Identify and destroy so-called journal. It’s not just Yale, Japanese and South Korean researchers are finding similar results.

    2. Could you provide links to these papers or at least give their titles? And no, not substack articles that I don’t have access to.

      1. “DNA fragments detected in monovalent and bivalent Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna modRNA COVID-19 vaccines from Ontario, Canada: Exploratory dose response relationship with serious adverse events.”

        1. As I understand it, DNA fragments in vaccines are completely different than spike proteins in the blood stream.

          1. You’re a moron. DNA is transcribed onto RNA which is translated into proteins.
            Genetics 101.
            Also, anyone who has been infected with a retro-virus may have some reverse transcriptase laying about in their cells to reverse-translate mRNA from the jab into DNA.

          2. There’s a relationship between a car’s motor and its transmission, but they are completely different things, and it is not useful to speak of one when you mean the other.

          3. yeahwell…

            How does a fragment of DNA, not surrounded by either a cell or capsid, generate proteins? I know of no mechanism for doing that.

          4. Again, you’re a moron.
            It gets into the cells the same way the mRNA chains do.
            I actually predicted this issue a long time ago.
            mRNA translation into proteins isn’t fully understood, for one, we don’t fully understand the mechanism that turns it off.
            So now we have a bunch of poorly informed victims whose cells are still cranking out spike proteins, be it because the mRNA is still there, or some of it was reverse transcribed into DNA, or DNA fragments are being transcribed into new mRNA strands, which in turn start cranking out spike proteins, most likely all three.

            The fact that you don’t seem to know a phospho-lipid bilayer from a ribosome from the endoplasmic reticulum just goes to show that your opinions on this matter are of zero value, because you’re pig-ignorant when it comes to basic biology.

          5. Just for the record, are you claiming that these DNA fragments enter cell nuclei and thus change your DNA? Or do they remain solely within the cytoplasm?

          6. I’m sure that some makes it into the nucleus, as has been documented with plasmids and retro-virii.
            The process whereby that happens isn’t well understood, either.
            In fact, much of what goes on in the cell wrt protein creation isn’t well understood, which is why mRNA tech being used on millions is an obscenity, in fact, its a crime against humanity.

          7. Again with your misdirection:

            “Just for the record, are you claiming that these DNA fragments enter cell nuclei and thus change your DNA? Or do they remain solely within the cytoplasm?”

            Mechanisms are still being figured out, but people who attempt to misdirect the conversation in order to obfuscate the truth certainly don’t help.

            https://journals.asm.org/doi/pdf/10.1128/spectrum.01695-22

          8. yeahwell…

            If it’s “not well understand”, perhaps you should backoff calling people morons because they don’t immediately buy into a lot of wild speculation that equates DNA fragments in vaccine samples with spike proteins in the blood stream. That’s be a good thing.

          9. More proof you’re an idiot and a shill.
            Equating “it doesn’t happen” with “it isn’t fully understood.”
            Eff off, vermin.

          10. I didn’t equate “not happening” with “not well understand”. I do claim that you’re speculating wildly, assuming mechanisms that have not been established in science. If you want to do that, fine, but don’t insult people for not immediately understanding and buying into it.

          11. Eff off, rodent.
            We know DNA can migrate to nucleii. This fact is documented with plasmids and retro-virri.
            We know it can incorporate itself into our native DNA. This fact is documented with retro-virii.
            We know the jabs contain DNA fragments.
            This is what you call “wild speculation”, because your a bald-faced liar and a shill for the jab.
            The fact is, even without the DNA fragments, the tech is not understood, and you continue to advocate for it.
            You are one sick freak.

          12. So far as I know, there is no COVID-19 DNA. COVID virus contain only RNA, and they reproduce only RNA. Why should DNA fragments unrelated to COVID generate COVID spike proteins?

            In fact, the paper we’re discussing assumes that the DNA fragments are from Escherichia coli, a type of bacteria used in vaccine production.

            https://osf.io/preprints/osf/mjc97

          13. KM now saying random E.Coli DNA fragments pushed into our cells is fine.
            This clown is unreal.

          14. I appreciate the debate you are having with “yeah well”, and I am trying to follow the discussion as best as I can. Although I agree with “Yeah well” because of my skepticism with the vaccine, I must admit that I don’t fully understand the subject matter, and the scientific lingo the two of you are using. I am not, nor do I claim to be a geneticist, or even a scientist. Just a man with an opinion.
            So with that, although I will take Yeah Well’s side in this debate, I do not appreciate his name calling. So I will ask the both of you, does my lack of understanding of the science behind the mRNA jabs make me a moron, or an idiot?
            That was a rhetorical question, but feel free to try to answer if either of you are able to.

          15. fc:

            With my last post, it appears that yeahwell has lost the debate. The debate was over whether DNA fragments in a COVID vaccine can plausibly cause COVID spike proteins in the blood stream. Given that these DNA fragments are unrelated to COVID, the answer is no, they couldn’t.

            This doesn’t mean DNA fragments are harmless or of no concern. They are of concern. They just have nothing to do with the Yale results.

          16. Well, fc, if you don’t understand something, that’s fine, if you say that something you don’t understand is the best thing since sliced bread, then you’re a moron.

          17. I think it’s obvious that KM is a government shill.

            He goes out of his way to attempt to cast doubts on the many numerous studies that show the clots shots can be very harmful, even deadly for some. It’s a whole lot of deflecting chaff. Remember, those shots were pushed by and even mandated by the government.

            Commenting on another post he gives Chrystia Freeland frequent tongue baths, but that was just a diversion, or more deflecting chaff. His real aim was to defend the fiscally irresponsible budget deficits racked up by the malignant Liberal government.

          18. Government shill? I’m usually accused of being a Big Pharma shill. Please do get your stories straight.

            Back in reality land, I seriously doubt that the government or Big Pharma give a rat’s ass what people say or think in this forum. I could be on the payroll of SDA to drive traffic though. I’m good at that.

          19. Of course the government cares. It just hasn’t started locking people up willynilly for wrongthink like what is happening in the UK under the Labour government.

            Two online forums there are planning to shutdown because of the Online Safety Act;
            https://www.lfgss.com/conversations/401475/

            While in Canada the looming threat is Bill c63. I presume you’ve heard of it.

    3. There are many reasons why a journal might decline an article. I wouldn’t read too much into it.

  2. Rubbish, KillerMarmot will come here and say that mRNA ‘vaccines’ were (+still are) a God-send.

    1. And DanC will come here and say that mRNA vaccines (pardon, ‘vaccines’) are toxic waste killing millions.

          1. yeahwell told you above, especially at 8:03 pm. and yet you still defend crimes against humanity and still won’t shut up, you stupid rodent,

  3. Interesting but there are red flags. The findings have NOT been published, even in preprint. Further, this information comes from:

    one person who participates in the study and directly heard the reports from the Yale researchers on the conference call. The other person is a scientist who is in contact with multiple members of the team.

    That hardly engenders trust. Best to wait for publication.

    1. You never engender trust. What is your gender, by the way?
      I have Marmots in the ravine behind my place, and they are better rodents than you.
      Go peer review some shite goof.

        1. You forgot to add “to” respond to make that a coherent sentence.
          And my insults are not “vacuous”, but rather vehement, veritable, and virtuous responses to your enervating insistence on being a vaccinated, vapid and vexing commentator on all things virological on this site. Vamoose, you shilly Marmot.
          Oh, and have a nice day.

    2. On of my long-standing objections to the mad science jab is that it modifies human cells -forever-. For the life of the cell, it will make spike protein. There is no off-switch.

      Here we are with a finding that two years after the jab, these subjects are still making spike protein. Suggesting that either some long-lived cells got infected, which wasn’t supposed to happen. Or the viral carrier continues to infect new cells, also not meant to happen.

      Bringing me to another long-standing objection: Is that good for you? Well, nobody knows, do they? Never been tested, has it? The distribution of the vaxx -is- the test.

      Anther objection was that certain cells in the body last your whole life. Specifically nerve cells and reproductive cells. Does the Jab infect them too? Well, two years on there is still spike protein being made, so maybe? Could be?

      What’s the end result of nerve cells and reproductive cells making spike protein forever? Nobody knows. Can’t know, the vaxx was the test! We’re going to find out the hard way, aren’t we?

      Call me a reactionary science denier if you want, but that is not what people who took the vaxx signed up for. It is not what we were told. We were told safe, effective and mandatory. We were not told “cross your fingers and hope for the best.”

      Now, as to your “best to wait for publication” condescension, that sort of thing is advice one gives when the subject is the relative safety of the glue for stick-on eyelashes, or a type of fertilizer for tulips. Advice for situations where a singular study has found something outrageous about bees. We’ve been hearing results like this from all over the world since the vaxx was released. Some Western countries have discontinued the vaxx years ago over exactly this sort of finding.

      So please, spare me your piety.

      1. Phantom:

        There’s a good reason for waiting for publication. We’re being fed information on this result through a straw. We’re only hearing part of the story, and there’s a good chance that what we have heard is distorted. The only sensible thing to do is to hold off on judgment until an actual paper is available. It’s not smart to draw strong conclusions from paltry evidence.

        This is not piety, it’s common sense.

  4. So it’s acceptable to refer to the jabbed as “spike protein breeders” as well as the still popular “jabbity-jabbed” and those who are plurally jabbed as “jibbity-jabbity-jabbed” ?

    Also, for the lady folks out there in SDA’s audience it should be noted that clean semen (and “proven semen”) from some of us… is still available at market rate from non jabbed “purebloods” in the Calgary area for those not wanted to roll the dice with tainted samples.

    1. My concern is that if I am ever involved in a situation where I require a blood transfusion, would I have control of who’s blood the hospital would use? Obviously, if they use tainted blood, will my semen still be “pure?” Will I suffer the same set of consequences currently endured by the vaccinated donor?

  5. How did they determine these people never had COVID?

    I know quite a few people who tested positive for COVID, but never had any symptoms. They were tested because a family member got tested when the family member had a mild case of sniffles.

    PS. I am not saying the vaccines worked, were safe, or weren’t safe. Just asking how you can tell someone never had COVID?

    2. They search for COVID antibodies in the bloodstream.

      What I don’t understand is this: the vaccines themselves are designed to stimulate production of COVID antibodies. That’s their very purpose. So how do they tell the difference between getting COVID and just getting vaccinated?

      1. Potentially, they are looking for antibodies to other viral components besides the spike protein, but I would need to see the paper.

        The whole thing sounds like a quality control failure where the DNA used for mass producing the mRNA contaminates the mRNA vaccine. This is not making me very enthusiastic about mRNA vaccines generally.

        If I do have to get a COVID shot, I’m getting Novovax. It’s all spike protein, no nucleic acid. Also, the genetic system used to make it is Baculovirus-SF9 cells, which only works in insect cells.

    3. If you’ve had COVID, you’ll have antibodies to both the spike protein and the capsid (the proteinaceous lipid “capsule” that forms the exterior of the virus). If you’ve just had the mRNA vax, you’ll only have antibodies to the spike protein.

  6. I’m a pure blood …… just had a guy I know tell me that the virus killed millions, he has taken all the shots and is doing just fine …. mass psychosis is effective!

  7. Ban Virology research. Shut down all labs.
    Stop playing with shite, you arrogant ‘scientists’ and ‘geneticists’
    Life is a miracle, and you all need to learn humility and restraint.
    Do no harm at the least.

  9. This site and the comments are here to educate and entertain us. Those throwing insults about need to bone up on social graces. Ask yourself if you would say what you are fixing to type to their face.

    1. Fair point, John G, but some insults are cast to add to our education and entertainment.
      Social graces are quaint when face to face, which we ain’t.
      Believe me, I truly wish we didn’t get this way.
      But here we are. Just look at it all.

    2. “This site and the comments are here to educate and entertain us. Those throwing insults about need to bone up on social graces. ”

      An interesting take. What would you say to those who continue to deliberately spread the exact same misinformation on certain topics as soon as they are mentioned, overtly insulting the intelligence of others here just for the sake of getting a reaction from them?

      “Ask yourself if you would say what you are fixing to type to their face.”

      Any time.

      And if you are the type of person who delights in hanging out in the enemy camp and trolling them, you seriously need to grow up and quit whining when people respond in kind.

      (in general, not referring to you in particular…)

    3. “Ask yourself if you would say what you are fixing to type to their face.”

      No. There would be a lot more swearing. So much more.

  10. Spicy comments here, a bit too spicy. John G is correct.

    But what I really want to know is can I refer to the mRNA ‘vaccinated’ as “GMO people”?

    Specifically my granola crunching sister in law, ha ha ha…

    1. Yes indeed, you can. They are in fact genetically modified organisms. #GranolaGrrl is a spike shedder forever, if this study is any indication.

      1. MUH AUTORITY SAYS!

        Why aren’t you quoting from Vox or Mother Jones? Couldn’t you find a convenient quote defining what anti-bodies actually are, or was that bookmark not supplied to you in your list of Talking Points, troll?

  11. This should hardly be surprising: this is exactly the mechanism by which mRNA vaccines work: they overwrite the mitochondrial DNA in your cells to cause them to cease production of proteins for the cell, and turn them into protein factories assembling the protein carried in by the mRNA strand instead.

    Yes, this is the same mechanism that viruses use.

    The idea is to introduce your immune system to that protein before it encounters the actual virus, to “train” immune cells and antibodies to attack it. The problem is that the developers were always vague about how the cells would stop being protein spike factories. The theory was that in an intramuscular injection, the only cells affected would be muscle cells, which would die after a few weeks and be replaced by normal cells.

    But that’s not happening in a lot of patients, and researchers have two explanations as to why: The first is that nurses were not trained to aspirate the needle before injecting the vaccine. In aspirating, or drawing back on the plunger, the nurse or technician administering the vaccine could check for blood, and move to a new injection site if they spotted any. Almost no one working in health care in Ontario aspirated the needle when administering the COVID vaccines. Those that I spoke to either had not heard of the practice or felt that it was unnecessary.

    This vaccine was never intended to be injected into a vein – where it would spread rapidly throughout the body infecting all of the patients organs and billions of cells. One clear sign of this happening was that some patients reported a “metallic taste” in their mouths shortly after injection.

    Some researchers claim that most of the more severe adverse effects reported after vaccination were connected to improper administration of the vaccine.

    The other reason that researchers suspect continued creation of the spike protein could happen is if some of the mRNA that entered the cell was successful in overwriting a portion of the nuclear DNA in addition to modifying the mitochondrial DNA – essentially programming the cell to make copies of itself that produce the same spike protein instead of the normal cell proteins. This would essentially make the effects of the vaccine permanent, and cause your body to go on producing the protein indefinitely.

    There is evidence of this happening in vitro, but for some curious reason, no one has conducted research to see if this is happening in vivo. One can guess why.

    If this is the case, two very bad things will happen. First of all, the patient’s immune system would very quickly become over-conditioned to overwhelmingly produce immune cells and antibodies that only respond to anything that resembles the spike protein delivered by the vaccine, while also paradoxically making it less effective in fighting off the COVID virus and its variants. The end result is an immune system that is severely impaired at fighting COVID, and too overwhelmed to be very effective at fighting other infections.

    The second thing that happens is that the patient begins to “shed” the spike protein in their skin cells and phlegm – a condition that could sicken people around them. This too has been documented. Researchers who discovered this gleefully reported that it would spread the effect of vaccination to unvaccinated patients. Clearly, they never thought too deeply about what they were saying. If you want the source, I can dig it up and cite from my research. The story has been subsequently buried on Google and the original journal.

    1. mRNA does not overwrite mitochondrial DNA.
      Mitochondria make ATP from sugars using the Krebs cycle.
      The mitochondrial genetic code is not the same as the cell nucleii genetic code, and mRNA that got translated into protein in mitochondia would not make the same protein as those translated in the endoplasmic reticulum of cells.

      1. regardless of whether the individuals DNA is altered, my take is that once the mRNA enters the cell, the cell begins to build copies of the spike protein. There is no easy exit for them, so the cell eventually bursts to release all the spike protein into the system where the body recognizes it as a foreign substance and produces antibodies. Now, as stated earlier, if the injection goes into a blood vessel, it will move throughout the body before reaching someplace to infect cells. If that location happens to be a critical organ (think heart, ovary, kidneys), then if enough cells are infected in that organ, the subsequent loss of cells due to them bursting can have a bad effect on the recipient. …. Is this simple explanation close to reality? if not, where does it go wrong?

        1. I agree with you, Grant. I also feel that any therapeutic that causes cell death – whether from bursting ( I don’t know if this happens, but micrographs of endothelial cells in blood vessels with spikes projecting from them suggest that it might), or simply from the fact that it no longer functions as a normal cell can’t be a good idea.

          I had to apologize to a friend of mine who had been deeply invested in the conspiracy theory that the vaccines were also causing cells to produce self-assembling nanoparticles. I figured that put him firmly in the same tinfoil hat group that believed the vaccines were made to receive 5G signals. Except he was right, and I was wrong. https://mail.ijvtpr.com/index.php/IJVTPR/article/view/102

      2. In vitro research showed that this is not the case, and that nuclear DNA is being altered. Yes, I oversimplified, but the desired effect is to overwrite the template of the mitochondria so they produce the introduced proteins instead of normal proteins like ATP. Yes, altering the nuclear DNA shouldn’t result in the same proteins being produced, but that doesn’t seem to be the case. “turbo cancer” hadn’t entered the popular lexicon until the past two years is a good sign that mutations are happening. People are continuing to produce and shed the spike protein years after receiving the shot, and that wasn’t supposed to happen. But it is.

        Understanding how mRNA vaccines function inside cells after a few generations in a culture doesn’t necessarily translate into a good understanding of what goes on in living beings – especially if it’s being introduced into cells where it wasn’t supposed to be.

      3. The vaxxes killed and injured millions, it matters not what the rodent thinks. That is what has happened and continues to happen.

  12. Here is Dead Rat in action, the John Cleese character.

    https://youtu.be/uLlv_aZjHXc?si=-fOc3gNQGXeL1z0O

    Hint, the Dead Rat is here to be a shill, a troll, a deceiver, to waste your time, never agreeing with anything, using red herrings and splitting hairs to continue the Argument.

    From Wikipedia, “ One common strategy for dealing with online trolls is to ignore them. This approach, known as “don’t feed the trolls,” is based on the idea that trolls seek attention and reactions. By withholding these, the troll may lose interest and stop their disruptive behavior.

    However, ignoring trolls is not always effective. Some argue that trolls may interpret a lack of response as a weakness and escalate their harassment. Reporting the troll to the platform administrators may be necessary in such cases. Most online platforms have guidelines against harassment and abuse, and reporting the troll can lead to their account being suspended or banned.”

    1. “Reporting the troll to the platform administrators may be necessary in such cases.”

      Fine. Let’s do that. Let’s approach Kate and see if she thinks I’m a troll who should be banned, or just someone who doesn’t agree with the herd here on many issues.

      Under one condition. If she decides that I’m not then you get banned, not me.

      1. Did you something Garth?

        Yes, you’re a troll, in case you can’t comprehend or fully read the post.

        As defined by Wikipedia, in case you missed that (clearly).

        2. “Did you something Garth?”

          I assume that’s from Wayne’s World, but you’re missing something. A word, a phrase, a cerebral cortex. Something.

          3. “When I do it, it’s funny!”

            “When someone does it to me, it’s a terrible violation of the blog norms!”

            You could be a Liberal cabinet minister.

          4. Don Rickles could insult and be funny. You, Mr. Marmot, are not Don Rickles. I’ve had surgery that was funnier than you.

  13. just someone who doesn’t agree with the herd here on many issues.

    You don’t just disagree, though, do you.

    You are very insistent about your disagreement. Every time someone dares contradict you, you, the lone purveyor of Pure Truth, of Pure Reason, forever and for all time, you just repeat your ridiculous dismembered “arguments” again and again ( as if each repetition is a fresh new vein of thinking), regurgitating what you’ve already said, and what already has been dismantled, discounted, and disproved, forty times in the same thread.

    Because no one dare have the last word against you.

    You’re the very definition of a troll.

    You don’t like that characterization?

    Stop being a troll.

    Or just suck it up when you fail, buttercup.

    Which would be always.

      1. Hilarious.

        From the pathetic sadsack pig-ignorant halfwit troll who can never, ever stand to not have the last word.

        Too bad, buttercup. Suck it up.

        1. You’ll notice that when I disagree with someone, I don’t insult them or question their motives. Unless the insult is funny. Then I might.

          I meet them in the centre of the field and debate the topic, constantly providing links to back my side.

          I am truly astonished by those who are unable to do that, who get angry and insulting at being disagreed with. I find that quite foreign to my way of thinking.

          But you do you.

          1. You’ll notice that when I disagree with someone, I don’t insult them or question their motives.

            I’m **very** certain that’s how you think you act.

            The reality is quite different.

            But you pretend to be what you aren’t.

          2. Fine. Point out where I’ve insulted someone here.

            Except the cerebral cortex thing. That was pretty funny.

          3. Pointed it out twice on this thread alone.

            As I said, you’re incapable of perceiving what you are.

            Deal with it, buttercup

          5. Lol, thank you very much!

            Thanks for being so utterly, completely, unaware, rodent (it is your natural state, so maybe no thanks are required).

            “When I do it, it’s funny!!”

            “When anyone does it to me, it’s an egregious awful unprecedented terrible transgression against the blog rules!”

  15. Tangentially related: I saw an ad from the LPC on YouTube yesterday. The only thing they could say positive about themselves was that they had procured millions of COVID vax doses. They are that stupid that they do not know that the vax was many times over worse than the disease when it came to adverse events, lingering effects and deaths.

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