I’m no lawyer, but I doubt the 14th Amendment was designed to empower unelected state officials to unilaterally strike major party frontrunners from the presidential ballot. If it was, that’s a shock. I must have missed that in AP Insane Legal Loopholes class. Is there any way this ends well? It feels harder and harder to imagine.
Its total unconstitutional crap! The mental midget from Maine is whistling past the graveyard of broken and stupid ideas. If she had any brains she would hand in her resignation on account of grave stupidity.
Just because one has a dislike for someone on the ballot, doesn’t mean you get to REMOVE them from the ballot.
The rational person marks their X beside the least odious candidate.
Evidently, taking lessons from Stalin and other paragons of “democracy”! 🙂
Cheers
Hans Rupprecht, C in C
1st St Nicolaas Army
Army Group True North
I think the big money has decided Nikki Hailey and Michelle Obama will be on the ballot. Old Joe is no safer than Trump. I would say get out the popcorn -but stock up to survive is likley more apt- I don’t seem a limit as to what they will do to maintain control
I have several parade squares to sell the “big money.”
Insurrection. Jan. 6
What a JOKE. Inadequate security … undercover agitators … ANTIFA dressed in RED caps … doors opened for the mob. Jan. 6 was ENGINEERED Democrap Political Theatre. It’s what Marxists are good at.
Jan. 6 was tame compared to the Trucker protest. But your boy-PM with an IQ of a salad bowl wasn’t smart-enough to open the doors of Parliament to the Truckers. No … instead he just whined about staging a protest at the Guy Fox monument … ohhhhhhhhhh mommmmaaaaaaa. And the Hot Tubs placed at major intersections … ohhhhhhhh mommmmmmaaaaa
The People, everywhere, are under attack. Pro tip: It’s not Trump … it’s his VOTERS. The Left want us ELIMINATED. Democracy my ass. They want all the wrong-thinkers and wrong-voters to have no candidates and to have no votes. Hence Poilievre is a hard-core, EXTREME right-wing, psycho nut job … just like Trump. That’s the Lefties description of common sense … EXTREME right wing.
The People … MUST … prevail. Or it will be fighting in the streets, with our children at our feet …
And the porkers behind “Chinless”.. Incels.. He said “you can grab them by the pussy”.. Hurrrumph!.. “Not mine!”.. as if.
The reason for these 14th Amendment moves is to end the primary system and judicial supervision. With a caucus, the party itself, privately, decides whom to nominate. Future Trumps would simply not be chosen by the private committee. Trump is the McGuffin.
Indeed. Funny thing … the US Constitution guarantees absolutely NOTHING to Political Parties. Zilch. Nada. We The People have the POWER … unless of course you just run roughshod over the Constitution … like throwing our border wide open … by simply cancelling the LAW.
BTW … I can assure you … I just had more difficulty getting into Canada and back into the USA … than any of Joe Biden’s 20 million new illegal voters.
We had to destroy the Republic to save it.
– – The Democrats
Just so you know Alaska, Arizona, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, South Carolina, Texas, Vermont, Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming, are, also, trying to use this same approach to remove Trump from the ballot in advance of the primary.
Essentially, it adds up to fourteen (14) free ad campaigns on Trump’s behalf. In case you were wondering. Liberals are dumb.
And the anger cranks up a notch.
Texas I don’t think so!!!
Supreme Court needs to weigh in quickly and put a stop to these undemocratic maneuvers.
Trump won Maine and its 1 electoral college vote in 2016 and 2020.
Trump won 1 of 4 electoral votes in Maine, the other 3 went to the democrat… only Maine and Nebraska split their EC votes like this
Reading some of the comments, Judith from Maine says, it’s wrong, wrong, wrong but I still won’t vote for Trump. My goodness, if it’s not enough to change how you vote, you never should have been given the privilege in the first place.
Were do I get my tags, so’s I can bag a few politicians?
You don’t need tags, you just need a trough. Fill it with gravy and they’ll eat, shit, and stab themselves to death.
If you are unelected you can just decide an obscure law permits that form of recreation and act as you wish.
Iowa primary is not that far off.
We have not seen anything yet.
Deep state & neocons are just getting started.
It should be obvious to anyone with a brain that the office of the President is not included in the provision to exclude people from running. It’s the one position voted for nationally and Americans can elect whomever they want as long as they’re over 35 and native born. Or unless the voting machines say differently.
Article 1 section 4:
“The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof”
14th amendment section 3:
“Section 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.”
“I’m no lawyer, but I doubt the 14th Amendment was designed to empower unelected state officials to unilaterally strike major party frontrunners from the presidential ballot.”
Reading the constitution, that’s exactly what they intended. The states control the process, and in Maine the SoS is elected by the state legislature.
It can be overridden by a 2/3 majority of congress.
And just who gets to decide if someone committed insurrection, oh wise one?
The courts? or the politicians?
Or maybe… Just maybe it’s the people (or their representatives) who should be the ones to decide…
Read that passage again, oh moral, and intellectual superior, and answer the question: WHO gets to decide if a candidate ACTUALLY COMMITTTED ACTS OF INSURECTION?
That clause was written to prevent officers of the confederate army, who lost the American civil war, from running for office. NOT A SITTING PRESIDENT! Trump was NEVER charged, let alone convicted of committing an act of insurrection!
But no… I’m the delusional one, right Allan S?
But speaking of delusional… WHO WAS IT THAT KEPT WARNING PEOPLE NOT TO BE ASSURED BY THE POLLS, because NOTHING IS ASSURED UNLESS THE ELECTION PROCESS ITSELF WAS ADDRESSED! WHO WAS THAT, OH, WISE ONE!!!
Why it was written is irrelevant, it still applies today.
The constitution says the states set “the manner” in how federal elections are run.
The states write the specific election laws.
Those election laws state who runs the elections.
If the person running the elections decides someone cannot be on the ballot, then the issue will likely head to court.
Why is that so hard to understand?
A lot will hinge on the courts interpretation of “shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.”
Also, Trump is not a sitting president. He lost in 2020, remember?
bull.
the motive for an action is most relevant in assessing things.
if the motive no longer applies then throw out the prescribed course of action.
you are serious messed up in the head promoting a system of laws called “wese gonna outlaw sumptin and when that sumptin is no long gonna happen we just jerry rig and apply the law to something different as it suits us suits”
You didn’t answer the question, oh wise one. You deflected, as what I’ve come to expect from you, and your ilk.
WHO DECIDES, or specifically, according to the clause you cited, WHO GETS TO DETERMINE if someone committed an act of insurrection? Trump was denied due process, in effect, being declared guilty of committing insurrection without even a trial!
Why is that so hard to understand???
Shouldn’t the process be the other way around? Shouldn’t someone be charged and convicted of insurrection before some bureaucrat gets to apply A14 without even a summons?
And there’s another assumption you are making. TRUMP DIDN’T LOSE! HE WAS DEPOSED!
So who’s right, oh, wise one? The “legal system” arbitrarily decides who “won” Strike that… who gets installed, but the evidence would tend to support the assertion that Biden DID NOT GET 81 MILLION VOTES!!!
Why is that so hard to understand???
Who decides and how will be settled by the courts
By your illogic and shallow reading of The Constitution … the States could vote a 24yo as POTUS. Since they are “in charge” of the elections and the candidates.
They still have to follow the constitution.
He was a sitting President in the context in which they are attempting to use the 14th to disqualify him. One of several problems with this judicial charade.
He swore an oath to federal office, yes.
You hit the nail right on the head, LindaL! The protest was not insurrection, it was a protest about the legality of the ballot count. The “mob” was not trying to unseat the sitting president at the time, that would have been insurrection! The Democrats used the protest to infiltrate and cause mayhem and then dressed it up as insurrection. VP Pence and the SCOTUS could have put this to bed between the election and the inauguration by examining the evidence and the affidavits that had been sworn and submitted. They didn’t and now they have to decide whether Trump is qualified to run for office. Their prevarication has thrown them out of the frying pan and into the fire, no matter how they rule now America is well and truly on the road to Civil War 2.0.
“The states write the specific election laws.”
Which several of them deliberately violated in 2020 when they arbitrarily changed their election laws *without* a vote from their respective State Legislatures, as required by the US Constitution.
(but you were okay with that though, right? Because Trump?)
As per the rulings on the matter – PA specifically comes to mind – the states constitution overrides the laws passed by legislature.
“As per the rulings on the matter – PA specifically comes to mind – the states constitution overrides the laws passed by legislature.”
And the Constitution of the United States overrides ALL of those state constitutions. What’s your point?
Sure, an unarmed insurrection led by FBI plants. Once you can redefine words you can do anything.
“shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof”
The secretary of state doesn’t get to make the rules or change them.
Lookit up smarty pants.
Changes have to be approved/voted on by the legislature.
You defended states where secretaries bypassed their legislatures and changed voting rules allowing for all types of seriously flawed voting before the 2020 election so you’re about as consistent as diarrhea.
Did the SoS follow the rules as stated by the state election law?
That’s the key point. You assert they’re making things up. On what basis?
Now read section 5 of the 14th Amendment.
Only Congress can enforce….not a state politician
Check and mate!
Also false.
unDORK
You still have comprehension problems I see. It is NOT up to an appointed official to make those decisions, and that is what that cow is. It is up to the ELECTED reps to determine that. And it is up to the courts to determine who is guilty of ins erection or treason, or the national legislature. And Maine SoS is appointed by the legislature , not elected.
There is nothing of the sort, you are literally making up pure BS. There are multiple states that have an SoS or equivalent that is not elected directly by the voters. This is a settled matter.
The states determine how the SoS gets their post.
It’ll be fun to shut you up once again for your idiotic ideologies of inanity when SCOTUS reverses it all.
But you won’t shut up, because you just want to stir shit, but all you do is humiliate yourself.
IOW you must be a DeMarxist; or might as well be.
The amendment needs to be considered in its entirety, not cherry picked, but the critical part is highlighted. The constitution was never designed nor intended to protect the power of the government. That concept is much to obtuse for Allan.
https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-14/#:~:text=No%20State%20shall%20make%20or,equal%20protection%20of%20the%20laws.
Ah yes the equal protection clause. What is your point exactly?
Maine Dem who booted Trump from ballot met with Biden, called Electoral College ‘white supremacy’
https://nypost.com/2023/12/30/news/maine-dem-who-kicked-trump-off-ballot-called-electoral-college-white-supremacy/
Welp maybe just have the gop Congress decide who becomes president.
Color me shocked. What I meant to say was … color me “white”. Color me, and the old dead men I admire, the old dead men who understood FAR MORE than this masked Karen can fathom … “white”.
Slap it down hard and fast.. Turning your nation’s election process into divorce court will be the final nail in the American coffin.. You don’t get the kids, house and car and expect me to come back in 4 years to do it all over again..
Trump is irrelevant.. The illusion that we are somehow participating is everything.. America the untested, untrusted bad investment that turns on a dime..
Even if a secretary could legally disallow a person on a ballot – they can’t Allan S – to throttle the spirit of the vote – citizen’s ability to vote for a (popular) candidate – is to court violence.
Tough titty for her if it comes to that.
“they can’t Allan S”
False. If they can or cannot depends on state election law.
Time to stop bitching like little girls and start doing something about it. Take Biden off the ballots everywhere they can. Do the same for any other democrat candidate. Arrest Biden and indict him in Texas for being a pervy piece of crap mental patient.
Who? The Republican Party!? That’s pretty funny. Who? Some spineless GOPe governor of TX? Sorry … that was cruel and redundant considering his handicap.
1. Elect Trump.
2. Cut-off all Federal support of illegals and so-called Refugees.
3. Commence the Deportations.
heyo kj
nice 2 c youre still checking in
l have resumed after some time l got ‘stuck’ overseas covid. long story. butterfly effect. was off in europe for a once in a lifetime look at things that align with my sense of history. then l left when all l was seeing was some incomprehensible mass hallucinations and a lot of rioting.
l had intended it to be one of the last bucket list items so l could drag it out as it is now lm not going back.
we have to fight for all of north america. lot of talk about borders here and the old country. lets make the longest international border special in a new way lm open for suggestions.
Commie Democrats have no problem wielding power like a cudgel, laws and Constitution be damned. For them, there are no rules of war, only winning. That being the case, it’s long past time the right did likewise – our forefathers did despicable things in WW2 in order to achieve victory knowing all the while they were on the side of good and that we’d always return to civility.
Sadly, our side either hasn’t awakened to this reality or they are tacitly approving the lefts approach, in which case they are cowardly, complicit, and traitorous. God knows they’ve seen enough examples of the wanton destruction of the country to act without restraint. The fact that no red state AG’s have gone after this administration says everything.
Things will turn real ugly if people are disenfranchised and fear their own government.
These State AGs that are deciding future election outcomes, are they all Soros funded or some other globalist oligarch?
https://legislature.maine.gov/statutes/21-A/title21-Asec337.html
Here’s the relevant Maine election law. As I thought, the Maine SoS has the sole discretion on disqualifying a candidate:
“A. Only a registered voter residing in the electoral division of the candidate concerned may file a challenge. The challenge must be in writing and must set forth the reasons for the challenge. The challenge must be filed in the office of the Secretary of State before 5 p.m. on the 5th business day after the final date for filing petitions under section 335, subsection 8. [PL 1989, c. 166, §2 (AMD).]
B. Within 7 days after the final date for filing challenges and after due notice of the hearing to the candidate and to the challenger, the Secretary of State shall hold a public hearing on any challenge properly filed. The challenger has the burden of providing sufficient evidence to invalidate the petitions or any names upon the petitions. [PL 1985, c. 161, §6 (NEW).]
C. The Secretary of State shall rule on the validity of any challenge within 5 days after the completion of the hearing described in paragraph B.”
The key phrase here is “burden of providing sufficient evidence to invalidate the petitions”. What is the rationale of the SoS reviewing the challenge? Did it meet the above?
Those are the key questions that will be answered in court. Keep in mind a federal court won’t touch something that is strictly within state jurisdiction.
Allan S,
What will be the outcome if Trump is prevented from running on some trumped up technicality or charge, as perceived by over 40% of the voting public?
Do you care?
I care that the laws are properly applied. Like in all the 2020 election lawsuits.
Allen I beg to differ! Watch if you will the Supreme Court of United States will come down on this Judicial Prudence! It can’t
stand by and watch !
If it does the United States is in danger of collapsing!
It can only respond to what cases are present on supreme court docket.
The Biden admin has challenged the ruling of SCOTUS re Roe vs Wade reversal. That is the executive branch trying to usurp the power of the legislative branch.
The Biden admin has introduced numerous policies that violate the 2A. That’s the executive branch violating their oath of office, to defend he constitution.
If there are any insurrectionists, they are currently running the executive branch.
Debating the troll is a waste of time. Like wrestling a pig, you come out muddy and he loves it.
If there was any solidarity in the Republican Party, they would announce that the House will not certify any electors from a state that removes Trump from their ballot.
And what would be the legal argument for this?
Allan S is an a hole. Those who wasted time trying to educate an a hole should just past by and not even read his inane drivel.
Inspired by Maine’s Secretary of State…Russia imprisons associate of Putin opponent.
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4381737-associate-of-russian-opposition-leader-navalny-sentenced-to-9-years-in-prison-for-extremism/