They were promised there’d be no math.
“We systematically researched the entire industry — who buys cars, where they’re built, how much they cost, what segments they’re in and what consumers do with them,” said Patrick Anderson, the founder of Michigan-based Anderson Economic Group (AEG). “Our research shows that a lot of Americans have been given a false impression about EVs.”
In April, AEG released its annual report analyzing the real world costs of vehicle ownership, comparing EVs to gasoline-powered cars. The report concluded that traditional mid-priced 2021 cars have a cost advantage over mid-priced EVs after factoring in electricity costs, charging equipment costs, road taxes and “deadhead miles,” the distance consumers need to travel to remote charging stations.
EVs charged using residential and normal commercial charging methods cost about $0.50 more per 100 miles than comparable traditional vehicles, according to the report. EVs charged using more expensive commercial charging stations cost about $4 more per 100 miles.
“The first thing that a lot of potential electric vehicle owners need to be aware of is that they’re probably going to be paying both their home utility bills and the cost of charging at commercial chargers,” Anderson told FOX Business. “Failing to understand that a large number of miles that the typical American travels are away from home and require using a fueling station that’s not in their garage, would be a very costly mistake for a potential EV driver.”
Anderson added that AEG’s research showed 78% of electric vehicles are luxury vehicles and most EV purchasers also own traditional vehicles.
“A very large share of the electrical vehicles themselves are owned by affluent people and, often, wealthy people,” he said, arguing government subsidies for EVs mainly benefit the upper class.
So, if they park them in their own garages and their houses catch fire, are we going to compensate that too?
I imagine that Insurance will catch on that they are a liability soon due to a multitude of dangers in both maintenance possible electrocution and fire suppression technology isn’t quite available yet.
Intac gives huge discounts for automobile insurance to wealthy EV owners. Thus far Intac is overcharging us peon ICE vehicle owners to compensate. Eventually they will catch on with homeowners’ insurance and penalise households who do not own EV’s to cover the losses for EV battery caused house-fires.
Speaking of EVs and woke leftards…
Ford is willing to die for wokism and electric cars…or almost ( see their statement below )
I predict Ford will eventually require help from the government to not go bankrupt.
Ford will get rid of 8000 employees no longer needed because Ford will now focus on inclusiveness, equity, and saving the planet,
and of course making Electric Vehicles ( in part built in Romania and made with a lot of Chinese parts )
in Ford’s own words,
[…]… The future of Ford centers on a purpose bigger than building vehicles. We are helping to build a better world where every person is free to move and pursue their dreams.
A world that is fully electric. A world that is more equitable, inclusive, and sustainable. And in doing so, we are putting people, the planet, and our shared prosperity first.
At Ford, we are committed to making progress on the issues that matter in the environmental, social, and governance (ESG) areas. It is a critical part of our Ford+ plan for growth and value creation as we transform our business for a new era of electric and connected vehicles, setting the pathway for our continued success for generations to come. …[…]
Ford is doing that as their part in the great reset (World Economic Forum / Klaus Schwab )… which is clearly the suicide of Western Civilization.
Ford even admits that for the first few years, making and selling EVs will not be profitable. ( if that is not suicidal then what is)
Those elites agreeing with the great reset – that is obviously designed to destroy, or at minimum weaken Western Civilization – remind me more and more of the Johnestown cult followers, willingly drinking the koolaid that killed them.
https://www.independentsentinel.com/ford-dives-into-esg-for-the-great-reset-fires-8000-people/
So is General Motors going down the tubes. Chevrolet will include home charging station installation with the purchase of its EV.
Jeep (FiatChrylser) will have you believe that there are charging stations out in the middle of the desert for for Wrangler EV.
There are charging stations out in the middle of the desert. They’re right beside the gas stations 🙂
1. Even if that were the case, the limited range of an EV would still make them almost useless.
2. You don’t need gas stations in the middle of the desert when you can carry almost 200 miles more range in a jerry can in your trunk.
“… charging stations out in the middle of the desert ….”
Just crank up the diesel generator yourself and start charging. So rugged and outdoorsy.
“for Wrangler EV.”
I have special hate for that thing. Imagine going for a date with the pinup girl of your teen days. You finally get to third base, pull down her panties, and a 12 inch shlong slaps you in the face. That is how I feel about Wrangler EV.
EV’s will remain at best a niche market for the elidiots or will simply go the way of the Zeppelins. In the future, they won’t even be collectable as no fresh batteries will be available anymore. Uncollectable just like cassettes and tapes who demagnetizes over time.
Ford has a huge recall on their EV’s right now including the Mustang (How about that for marketing genius: most retro style muscle cars are purchased by boomers who want a set of tailpipes that rumble…sure winner that EV mustang lol).
Now as for new IC cars, they have some nasty issues too namely the fact that they are overloaded with electronic crap that quickly become gremlins (no reference to the AMC model of old which was probably more reliable than lots of today’s crap anyway).
My prediction for the future will be a strong demand for cheaper, simpler cars. Bring back something like the old (80, 90’s) Honda civics, Toyota Camry even the Chevy cavalier. Keep the electronics to the power train only. We don’t need digital everything, high-tech serves best in a tempered environment like say an office or a living room not a vehicle that sits outside 24/7 for most owners…why do we have to have power to a tailgate? A screen to back up? Etc…have we become this lazy or unskilled…I guess the answer is yes.
“My prediction for the future will be a strong demand for cheaper, simpler cars. Bring back something like the old (80, 90’s) Honda civics, Toyota Camry even the Chevy cavalier. ”
Not gonna happen, your car now needs twenty airbags, a camera, auto engine turn off, soon a remote kill switch and tons of other shit that you can neither disable nor fix yourself. All this has been packed into your car not because you wanted it, or because the manufacturer wanted it but because government mandated it. That’s why there is so few fun cars left on sale. Expect them to kill manual transmission because driver distraction or some such soon.
The small electric truck-like vehicle that Ford now calls the E-Mustang looks exactly like one of the soccer-mom grocery getter made by Hyundai…
I know the electric Mustang has a very quick acceleration ( 0-60 mph in 3.6 second), but it looks like a Hyundai SUV, and without the rumble of a V-8 it is not a muscle car, and it certainly is not a Mustang.
Using the name Mustang for that Hyundai looking truck was a very bad decision.
It is an insult to Mustang owners.
In the last couple years Ford has been acting strange…first they announced they would no longer make cars, except for Mustangs…then they gave the name Mustang to a hyundai soccer-mom SUV, and now they are going full woke-leftard and will focus on diversity, equality and saving the planet ( and firing 8000 people)
They should be on suicide watch.
They are weird, indeed. Bronco is epic but lacks manual on bigger engines. E-mustang is vomit. Bronco Sport is ok for a small car. F-150 Raptor is great but previous one had a V8 while the new one has an equally powerful V6 which is almost as good (almost, like almost a virgin). Focus/Fiesta ST/RS are sadly gone.
Also first Mustangs had an I6 not a V8 IIRC.
And they wonder why sales of the real Mustangs went into the sewer right after the release of that…thing. Here’s a hint, not one prospective Mustang buyer bought a mach e, they went elsewhere.”Oh, but E vehicles accelerate so fast!” Yeah, they’ll do it twice in a row, and they’re dog shit at everything else.
I do not want a car that is first cousin to a toaster or one that sounds like a vacuum cleaner or an electric weed whacker.
Yep.
My ’65 Ford looks better every year. Apart from a few safety upgrades, it is basically stock. Parts are cheap and it is very easy to service. A few years ago, the fuel pump quit on the ’65, and around the same time the fuel pump quit on my diesel SUV. The replacement pump for my ’65 cost less than the TAX on the pump for my SUV. I installed it myself in about 15 minutes, I had to pay my mechanic a day’s worth of shop time to do the same for my SUV.
“EV’s will remain at best a niche market…..”
Go to Flightradar24 and use density of aircraft as a proxy for density of cars and you will see the Southern Hemisphere will only be a SMALL niche market for EVs. I’m working on the theory that the less dense the traffic, the longer that “weekend trip” will be.
In the south, workhorse Toyotas rule.
China burns a lot of coal to make power
they use that power to make parts used in Electric cars
those parts are shipped to us by diesel burning ships
then Leftists tell you with a straight face that EVs are saving the planet.
For Leftists, the truth can be…shocking.
The novelty of being stranded waiting for a charger would wear off after it happened once.
Not it if happens in the middle of a prairie winter it won’t.
And I didn’t see anything about opportunity cost to the owner for all the time they have to wait for the EV to charge and the owner has to waste time (not doing what they wanted to do) because of the inefficient refilling/recharging technology that is standard on EV compared to the fast refill available on ICE vehicles.
I wish I still had my 65 Mustang.
For only $45,000 …
https://www.autotrader.ca/a/ford/mustang/kelowna/british%20columbia/5_55307706_20150526104607030/?showcpo=ShowCpo&ncse=no&orup=3_12_12&sprx=-1
48,345 km is false advertising. Those are miles. More like 77,704 km.
The 200CID straight six, that it has, put out a decent 120HP for a small engine.
Who cares what the odometer says on a car like that? My ’65 shows around 21,000 (miles), it might be 121,000, or it could be a replacement unit installed before I bought it. What matters is the current condition.
Don’t forget if fossil fuels are no longer used, then there goes the tax revenue from fossil fuels.
What replaces it?
Why a tax on electricity.
Why … yes … that is inevitable.
Michael Faraday said exactly that when asked by a British politician as to what use electricity would be.
Only for those who are granted the privledge of using electricity.
You can have green, or you can have power. Pick one. (Pick wisely.)
Exactly. If people think this control of energy distribution will end with ‘fossil’ fuels, they have a rude awakening ahead.
Some misinformation in that article from both sides of the fence.
Buttigieg says “A Chevy Bolt, an American-made 2022 EV is $26,595. If you want a pickup truck, like a Chevy Silverado EV or Ford F150 Lightning, the starting prices of those are $39,900 and $39,974, respectively.”
How can you compare a Bolt EV to a truck? On the other side of the fence …
Myron Ebell says “Overall, the average cost of an EV was $64,338 while the average cost of a compact car was $26,101 as of May, according to Kelley Blue Book.”
He later admits that most EVs sold are luxury cars so in his statement above he compares luxury EVs with “average” compact ICE cars. Same BS as Buttigieg.
The article goes on “In addition, the Department of Energy reported in January that the average range of model year 2021 gasoline vehicles was 403 miles compared to the median 234-mile range of model year 2021 EVs. That means EV owners must pay to charge their vehicle more frequently than owners of traditional cars.”
EV owners pay more frequently but they pay much less per charge (in equivalent km traveled). The question is how much does it cost to charge an EV per hundred miles versus driving an ICE car 100 miles. They do refer to higher costs for EVs per 100 miles and reference the AEG report. But when I Google the report I get an AutoNews link that claims AEG found EVs are cheaper and if you want the report it appears to be paywalled. Other references to the report discuss the “total costs of owning a luxury EV”. But how can you compare the total cost of owning a luxury EV to the cost of owning an average compact ICE vehicle?
If you “do the math” you will find that charging an EV is less than half the cost of filling an ICE vehicle on a per miles traveled basis. Total cost of ownership is a different kettle of fish. Do you want leather seats, navigation, BOSS stereo system, heads up display, heated seats? Or do you want a cheap car?
EVs are cheaper to charge than ICEs are to fill with gas or diesel. They have half the range and good luck in the winter. But they aren’t more expensive to charge. That will only happen when the government takes away our ICE vehicles to save the planet.
Here is a more balanced summary of the AEG report from Detroit News.
“Mid-priced internal combustion engine vehicles had a cost advantage for fueling up compared to similarly valued electric vehicles in 2021, according to the study from the East Lansing-based Anderson Economic Group consulting firm. Meanwhile, pricier luxury vehicles that typically consume more fuel and are more affected by fluctuations in fuel prices gave EVs the advantage as gas prices increased in 2021 to a greater degree than the cost of electricity.”
“But compared with luxury vehicles with worse fuel economy, EVs were cheaper to run. The report put these type of gas-powered vehicles at a fuel economy of 22.7 mpg compared to 32.4 mpg for mid-priced vehicles. That’s along the lines of a BMW 530i or Cadillac Escalade. For EVs, luxury represented a vehicle with 3.5 miles per kilowatt hour compared to 3.9 miles per kilowatt hour for a mid-priced EV. Examples include the Tesla S, X and Y, and the Jaguar I-Pace.”
So 30 mpg for ICE and 3.5 miles per kWh for EVs.
ICE: $2.00/litre or $8.00/USgl so $8.00 x 100 / 30 = $26.7 / 100 miles
EVs: $0.20/kWh and 3.5 mpk so $0.20 x 100 / 3.5 = $5.71 / 100 miles
Assuming my math (is hard) is correct, it’s not even close.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/2022/04/06/cheaper-fuel-up-ev-anderson-economic-group-report/9484382002/
More to the point as CO2 is not harmful in any way to the environment.
CO2 is life.
EVs are a woke joke – simply there to provide an “alternative” to prosperity giving hydrocarbons.
If WEF ers told you that they were going to ban hydrocarbons and had no real alternative to fill that gap (for you not them), no one would bite.
But drape EVs in the plush comfort of moral superiority and people will rush to commit economic suicide.
“More to the point as CO2 is not harmful in any way to the environment.”
Thank you very f*cking much. the moment we agree that CO2 is harmful we have ceded so much of the field we may as well pack up and leave.
Steve, your sources are failing to include TCO in their cost/km calculations.
This is my point HiHo. The main cost in TCO is the purchase price – often using borrowed money (so add the cost of borrowing). You can “save” more money by not buying leather interior, the navigation system, the aluminum wheels, the sun roof, heated seats etc. You can buy an F150 for $50,000 or $90,000.
The numbers I ran were charging cost versus filling cost to show that EVs are much cheaper to fill than ICE vehicles. TCO is far more complicated but is heavily skewed toward purchase price.
The big weakness for EVs IMO is the limited range. When they hit 1,000 km (and they will) it will be tougher to write them off. Right now they are a weakness of the guilty rich.
Hitting 1000km is a scaling thing. It just means a bigger battery, and therefore a bigger vehicle.
TCO is much more than purchase price, it is a combination of purchase price, cost per km, total kms per $, and time spent waiting for charging. Now, for the idle rich, these costs can be borne. For actual commercial use, or everyday commuter and travel use, they cannot be.
A big 12l diesel engine can rack up a million miles or more, a smaller gasoline engine several hundred thousand. Now do the calculation to figure the amount of charging time wasted over the life of the engine; its astronomical.
Battery technology simply cannot compete with hydrocarbon fuels, and won’t be able to for a long, long time; batteries are basically tiny fuel tanks with an extremely limited lifespan, and no amount of beating about the bush, statistical manipulation of figures or what have you will change that one simple fact.
This^^
And, TCO for the electric needs to factor in 1 or 2 replacement batteries over the life of the vehicle.
Most people drive from their house to somewhere and then back home. For these people, who charge over night, there are no astronomical charging times. Why make shit up? Like the higher charging versus fueling costs. Doesn’t exist.
EVs have many problems, the main one being range, but others including limited battery life, few charging stations, performance in cold weather etc. I can’t see EVs replacing big rigs any time soon. But in the major cities where people commute short distances, why do they need a Cadillac Escalade to go 20 km? These people can’t even park their SUVs. Let them drive compact (luxury) EVs. We’ll be fine in the country with our diesel trucks.
You are the one making things up, with your “most people just do this” BS.
30%+ of urbanites live in apartments, no charging facilities possible.
Just because people do 90% of their driving near home doesn’t mean they don’t drive a few hundred km away from time to time. Many do it every weekend.
EVs are toys, and will be until battery tech can say improve charging times and energy densities and battery lifespans by a factor of at least 5.
When they hit 1,000 km (and they will)
No, they won’t. At least not the way you claim.
Battery technology is the limiting factor in a huge number of systems right now and there is absolutely nothing even hinted at that will improve the energy density by the order of magnitude necessary to make EVs competitive with ICEVs. And if such a revolution comes along, it’s going to change so many other aspects of society that EVs will be irrelevant.
And all of this leaves out the fact that current battery technology is volatile af for the energy density it does have. For all its energy density, it’s actually pretty hard to get gasoline to explode and it’s fairly easy to extinguish if it starts burning.
But in Hawaii the cost of electricity is 41.7 per kWh and going up as is the cost all across North America, the same could be said of Gas too though. At home charging is the least expensive, if you use a company like EVgo then you pay 34 per kWh plus session fees and resevations (if you want to access a charger when you get there) which is an increase over the 20 per kWh at home. Studies by Volvo have shown that you have to drive an ICE vehicle 100K miles to match the CO2 produced in the EV manufacture so basically that would be the starting point, after that the EV would be “greener” if your grid had no access to power produced by Nat Gas or Coal. Since all our grids are interconnected (except for Texas) then that is impossible so your electricity does produce some CO2. Oh well nothings perfect.
For me the killer is the 4302 Km drive to see my mother in Ontario. I drove through Northern Ontario and was lucky to find Gas Stations let alone chargers. I drove 8 – 10 hours a day and fueled up at night since my car has a 1000+ Km range, if that was an EV with a 300 Km range I would have had to stop 3 times a day to charge for a few hours – if a charger was available. My 1000 Km drive would have taken me around 16+ hours per day if everything worked flawlessly and the hotel had a plug in so I could start out right away in the morning.
EVs are good for urbanites with short commutes, primarily a city car. Our infrastructure cannot support many EVs in older areas of our cities, think Yaletown in Vancouver. Add enough Teslas and they will cause a brownout and Vancouver city council won’t let them build another substation to solve the problem.
The other issue is that there is not enough rare minerals on the planet to replace all the ICE vehicles with EVs, apparently Lithium is the shortfall with only enough to replace 10% of the current ICE population. So we need new battery technology. Then we need new battery recycling technology to dispose of the the toxic metals. Maybe the answer is BioDiesel and we all run off the excess grease from the McDonalds fryer and the local fish and chip shop.
The big difference between gasoline and electricity is the latter is provincially owned while the former has significant Federal tax. Lose gasoline and the Federal government loses a lot of tax. That money can’t be recouped through road tolls or mileage taxes because the roads are also provincially owned. Not sure the Feds have thought that one through.
[…] the Department of Energy reported in January that the average range of model year 2021 gasoline vehicles was 403 miles compared to the median 234-mile range of model year 2021 EVs.[…]
Except that it is not true that EVs can do that 234 mile range
most of them barely get 80% of that in good weather, and in winter will have their range cut in half.
and the range of an EV drops by at least 3 % each year because as the battery ages, it holds it charge less efficiently.
and for those who live in very hot regions, too much heat can also affect the rechargable battery , reduce range and shorten battery life.
gas engine cars are barely affected by hot or cold weather.
that EV’s 234 mile range is a mirage…
CF
That’s why Turd’Ho is bringing in Muslims, they can have 4 wives who can winter push the damn dead battery unit, wearing polar burkas in the winter.
What’s battery replacement cost? 20k per 100m doesn’t sound unreasonable but that alone adds 20$/100 miles to the whole calculation. That’s essentially parity right there.
I’ve never heard anything indicating that they’re otherwise cheaper to repair either.
Another item where the government will have ultimate control as to whether you visit the inlaws 3 hours away. If you think you’re being jacked for high electricity costs now…just wait. “Transportation costs” on your bill will take on a whole new meaning.
soooooo the bandwagon we’re all supposed to jump on, is that electric powered also?
IMHO, the only thing that could make EVs competitive is ubiquitous hydrogen fuel cells, which would require the cratering of the price of platinum, which ain’t gonna happen, at least not until we can get one of them platinum asteroids in earth orbit. Either that, or the development of a methane-burning fuel cell. Say by 2150 AD, if we’re lucky.
The real issue is the state has replaced free will when it comes to virtually every aspect of citizen’s lives. It was the Conservatives that told us what kind of light bulbs to use. The merits of E-cars are irrelevant as they will legislate ICE vehicles off the road for the urban Eloi and soon after, if the price doesn’t prevent them, the bans on mining will prevent the rabble from getting E-cars (possibly E-scooters and bikes allowed for party members). The elite will have their luxury cars and dachas but the state will decide which essential services get exemptions. It will all be justified by saving the planet (for India, China, the ME, and developing nations that tell the suicidal west to go f..k themselves.
Let’s be honest here. “Affordable” EV’s are useless EV’s. Why? The primary way auto manufacturers can make an EV “affordable” is to make the battery SMALLER!! And the smaller battery has virtually NO practical range. The 256 mi. range Buttigag referenced for an “affordable” EV is more like 200 mi. … on a good day. And that battery starts losing efficiency and storage capacity the day you drive it off the car lot.
Buying an “affordable” EV is not far from buying a golf cart for your retirement garage. But if you’re anything like VOWG … you WALK 18 holes … and still come home to give your cancer-survivor wife a rub and a tickle! You don’t use a golf cart.
BTW … most Tesla models weigh as much as my old Land Rover … almost 5,000 lb. Takes quite a bit of energy to make that go
https://electrek.co/2021/08/02/how-much-does-a-tesla-weigh-comparing-each-model/
So, if I earn $60/hr, and I fill my truck 7 times per month, at 6 minutes per fill, it costs me $42 in time to fill my truck every month. If it was electric, I’d fill almost twice as often. Let’s say 11 times, at 30 minutes per. That’s $330 in opportunity costs.
One of the factors in eliminating the US national 55 mph speed limit was that the US Dept. of Commerce had estimated that the “lost time” cost of having people drive at mule team speed on the interstates was in the hundreds of billions annually. Last time I drove stretches of I-15 (April), I set the cruise at 85 mph. We also drove long stretches of Nevada 318 and US 93 at that same speed. Vegas to Butte, MT was a solid 3-4 hours less than the same trip could be accomplished in any EV. Our 5.7 Ram knocked down over 20 mpg (Imp) on that trip.
80mph is my default speed on the oft-crowded Bay Area freeways. But I am usually pushing that to 90mph when conditions allow. I wouldn’t call myself an “aggressive” driver … I just like to drive in as much open space as I can find.
“Affordable” EV’s. = Impractical EV’s
“Unaffordable” EVs = Impractical expensive EVs
I still maintain that a hybrid with plug in potential is the way to go. With regards to TOC for EV vs conventional, I too noticed the one comment that was as similarly misleading as Buttigiegs comment just on opposite sides of the coin.
There are a lot of factors here. First, only similar cars should be compared. I couldn’t care less how a compact conventional car compares to an EV luxury car. Second, how many miles are driven each year? Third, where would the charging take place? Fourth – and the big one – how much are you paying per kwhr? We are still around 8 cents in Manitobs
My experience with hybrids is the battery generally lasts 15+ years. They also never seem to need brakes for obvious reasons.
Then again, my 2010 F150 has been reliable as heck. Total repairs: two power steering hoses (I drive down gravel roads and havebthe lower shield removed) and one front hub (had to cut intonthe studs to get wheel nuts off, again my fault). It still has the original spark plugs, trans fluid, diff fluid. Not bad for a vehicle I paid 31k for and plan on keeping until 2035.
Geezus, once they get the population down to 1/2 billion, most of the problems stated in here will be gone!
I know, I talk too much about my trusty 1983 Ford F100 that I bought new. I have traveled as much as 680 miles without stopping for gas, thanks to its efficient 300 cubic inch 6, and dual gas tanks. But it is not just economical, it is reliable. Now it is also one of the most environmentally friendly vehicles on the planet, for its manufacturing footprint has been spread over 39.5 years.
No electric car will ever touch this.
The life cycle environmental impact of EV’s has been completely ignored. You are soooooo right about the longevity of your truck … esp. with someone like you who drive their (reliable) vehicles till the wheels fall off … buy replacement wheels … and keep driving!! That, my friend, is farrrrrrr more eco conscious than all the EV drivers put together.
Exactly, and that is why my personal vehicle is 20 years old, and kept in perfect condition.
heres an angle.
just msged a buddy about how old my 10 speed bike is.
bought it new 1978 a raliegh 700 cdn, or abt 3k today.
l attribute the fact after 3 decades hovering around 190, lm finally down to 175
because l bike everywhere. and rent a motor vehicle for long distance
(and save up errands if l know l will be renting)
sooooo in yer cost analysis, need to include the cost of croaking early because
drivin anything only exercises yr right ankle.
I drive a stick … my left ankle is HUGE!
While most people (read here as urban dwellers or suburban commuters) may most often make short range daily trips covered by overnight charges, almost all people make one or more long range trips to see Grandma, etc.
These long trips are potential nightmares depending on route taken, charging stations along the way, weather (hello winter).
Do you expect families to rent a more capable vehicle a couple time yearly, are they expected to take some short/ mid-range flight with taxis/ buses at either end, or should they just stay home ’cause it’s better for the planet.
I’ve quoted it before and I’ll do it again: Canada is expected to need one to two million public chargers and twelve to fourteen million home chargers to replace existing passenger and light use ICE with EVs. There are currently just under twelve thousand retail gasoline stations in Canada (11,908). We will need 1000x more chargers than gasoline stations to support the same number of vehicles.
My sister and her husband got a bunch of used solar panels for next to nothing. They run most of their farm and her Model E Tesla on them. They are making out like bandits.
They have a bunch more panels in storage for me and my fiancé to install once our house is built. My fiancé has a preorder for a cyber truck.
If you are smart you can do well if you are stupid you will pay.
Please tell us where we can buy solar panels for next to nothing, because I have never heard of that.
No, they don’t run “most of their farm” on them.
Interesting piece on the copper crunch.
https://biv.com/article/2022/07/looming-copper-crunch-and-why-recycling-cant-fix-it