With airline flights now being barred from various nations in the latest knee jerk response to avoid importing the latest Covid variant, (which is apparently already here), this news item inadvertently destroys the case for mask usage.
The traveller from South Africa used a mask with a valve that doesn’t filter exhaled air and may have transmitted the virus to his neighbour when the hotel room door was open, a health department spokesperson said Friday.
As the mass vaccination program lurches to another grandiose failure, it would not be a surprise to see mask rules mandating the use of industrial respirators. Who knows what absurdity is next at this point?
Science shows that masks work in shops and mass transit, but not in pubs and restaurants.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10249435/Face-masks-worn-shops-public-transport.html
Who knows what absurdity is next at this point?
Something must be done; this is something.
It’s the same BS in most countries, I think.
Just an hour ago I went into a pub and enjoyed a couple of beers. No mask in sight.
Then I had to pick something up in grocery store, and of course masks are mandated.
Logic?
(This is in Czechia.)
Science also shows that if you are seated and consuming alcohol you are perfectly safe, but the moment you stand to return to the bar for another drink you are a high risk super spreader.
Oddly there was also Science to show that if you were to purchase food from a food court vender and eat it standing up in groups from the take away containers you were fine, however if you were to attempt to sit at the tables in the food court you might as well check into the terminal ward at your local hospital straight after.
Standing good. Seating bad.
Let us be completely honest. Our Ruling Elites and their Expert Advisers have no consistent plan. They are reacting – eventually – to market forces and saying stuff semi randomly for the sake of still being seen as authority figures. The restaurant/cafe/bar restrictions (masks while standing, can remove once seated) are a clear compromise because the hospitality industry have – rightly – been pointing out they have no future within a lockdown society and need to be allowed to operate or been given welfare for the rest of their lives.
Government caved… probably because deep down they were sick of eating end constantly as well.
Simple observation shows that very few people are interested. Here in my part of the global re-education camp retail are required to wear masks at all times and people visiting should when inside. (to be perfectly honest I do a lot less impulse buying these days and are actually saving money. Pity my favourite shops may not be there when the virus finally ends in 2075, but we can’t have everything).
When I visit my local supermarket a good 70% of the staff are either direct mouth only mask wearers or wear masks so loose I can clearly see all of their nose. If you observe them going on break they are barely out of the store boundaries before their mask comes off.
Some people wear masks because they believe having a cloth covering they rarely wash collect moisture and maintain it at a nice ‘body temperture’ millimetres from their nose and mouth is good for their health. Most others wear them because they are scared to get yelled out. Talk to people about the Vax and yes you do get people saying they raced out because they were in what the government told them were the high risk groups. Talk to others and they confess they did it because they want to travel ‘next year’ and might as well get it over and done with. Not for their health, but because they WANT to TRAVEL and don’t want the government to use Vax status against them.
Life is a bell curve. You get the extremes and you get the ‘normal’ who make up the middle (this is how normal is defined statistically. It is not what is ethically/morally/socially correct, but what is the fat group in the middle is made up of.) I put it to you that the ‘Normal’ people in the Vax/Mask/Restrictions debate do not really care about risks to their health, but risks to their lifestyle if they rock the boat too much.
“Franz Kafka to the white courtesy phone”. (Lewis Carroll wants to talk).
Another new variant is required because the Covid Wolf Variant isn’t frightening the villagers any longer.
Yup, and it comes just in time to ruin a second Christmas.
I fully expect The Most Perfect Weapon the World Has Ever Seen to continue with an ongoing parade of variants, but I resent their choosing to name them after letters of the Greek alphabet now instead of naming them after the country in which it first emerged. I LIKED the sound of “India variant” and I’m not the least bit racist, especially against the people of India, and now the “African” variant has to be called the omicron variant to save exactly whose feelings from being hurt?
I mean, we all know that this weapon was developed in the Wuhan Institute in China and financed by Dr. Anthony Fauci and the NIH, so no one blames the innocent Indian or African people for this world conquering virus. So let’s get back to using the name of the place the newest variant turns up, and as we are about to run out of Greek letters, there ARE only 24 Ffs, and take pride in the fact that we may some day have a variant named after us, imagine the “Canader” variant, the “Greenland ” variant, the “Madagascar” variant, etc., something to put an obscure or unimportant country on the map for a few days in a slight variation to Warhol’s “fifteen minutes of fame”.
The official word is that ‘Indian’ was dropped because it was ‘Wacist’.
A more truthful reason might be because those uneducated Indians who clearly do not Trust the Science(tm) have successfully managed to utterly crush the ‘Indian Variant’ by allowing mass use of the evil and deadly Horse Dewormer.
India, if we bothered to look beyond our MSM updates, has handled the ‘Indian Variant’ very well and it is only really in places that are ‘Not India’ that ‘experts’ are panicking about it.
I’ve been lucky in not having had many Karen or Ken encounters.
But my standard response is: Do you believe masks work? You do, so what’s your concern? Aren’t you safe? Shouldn’t it be me who’s concerned? And then of course the hilarity of, I’m wearing the mask for YOU. But doesn’t your mask prevent the movement of the virus out of your mask as well as through your mask coming in?
And then I add, I have no symptoms. As a responsible citizen if I did I’d stay home because the masks don’t work.
I know, I know, zero impact, but good logic/rhetoric practice.
Got far more patience than me, MND. As I always say, ya can’t logic a Prog. I find a simple, “FO”, gets my point across, short, sweet & to the point.
I’m weary of trying to edumicate closed minds.
My fave line is “which of my bills are you paying that makes you think you can tell me what to do?!”
Alternatively we could also pass laws to force the fully Vaccinated people to stay home to insure their further safety, and let the unvaccinated get on with their lives.
Ya know, Paul, I don’t think that’s going to be required. In a few short months when the “vaxxed” who haven’t already succumbed to peri- or myocarditis discover they no longer have immunity against any Wu Flu variant (or anything else, for that matter) methinks they’re going to lock themselves down.
Mark my words.
They’re already frightened of us Purebloods. Imagine the panic then…
So understand that industrial respirators do not filter the exhalations in most cases, because in most cases there is no need to, it would require a redesign on most units to remove the check valves to attach a filter to the exhalation valve…
might as well just mandate rebreathers and get it over with
To be safe a full on breathing apparatus with air tank is needed.
Much like firefighters and scuba divers use.
For even better protection, use what the personal wear in Level 4 Bio Research Labs don, complete with shower decontamination and sealed labs.
Basically an astronaut space suit for outdoor use.
A totally untenable situation, unless you want to be sealed up in an underground bunker waiting for doomsday to blow over.
Sorta like the movie ” 12 Monkeys “.
At a lunch on a wooden restaurant picnic bench outside with an old friend I noticed that the two guys sitting adjacent, but of course separated frm us by a plexiglass shield, were finishing up. I was excited because the distance between their bench and the sidewalk was about 8 ft. Would they don their masks for that 8 ft. walk? They seemed a tad wussy so I guessed right: they did!
Wait until they find out how many STD’s fly out of Africa every day……………….
The point of an exhale valve is to extend the lifetime as only half as much air passes thru. Filter ratings are a time and volume function. Also, inhalation pulls the mask to the face while exhaling thru the filter would push it away or stretch the filter medium.
I was in the grocery store a few weeks ago.
A Kevin seen me and pointed to HIS mask and said to me…..where’s your mask!!
I looked at him and said I have a medical exemption. Oh your one of them…he said to me.
I told him to keep his 6 feet distance and that was it.
When I got home I told my wife of in the encounter and I said after thinking about it I should have said to him.
Oh you mean that face diaper like your wearing, that represents fear and blind obedience?
I took it and shoved it down the throat of the last asshole who didn’t mind his own business.
But alas I wasn’t fast enough in my thinking because I was so taken aback by the…oh your one of them response.
It’s only the second time in a year that someone has said anything to me about..where’s my mask.
The first time the guy was very very rude in what he called me.
How life for us has changed and humanity has become so divisive and condescending.
What ever happened to live and let live?
I nearly got turfed from two establishments about a year ago because of Karens. Here in Edmonton, Karening is not only encouraged, it’s become a virtue on par with holiness and sainthood. Resisting, however legitimately, was seen as “disrepectful”, making people feel “unsafe” and “uncomfortable”, and, thereby, punishable.
Oh, never mind that people were sticking their noses were they didn’t belong. It was my not being grateful and being penitent and publicly reforming my ways that was the real crime.
At this point, it’s guaranteed there will be a segment of the population who will follow every directive from the “experts”, get every booster shot, wear a mask, and get tested over and over, for months and maybe years to come. Sheesh, over the past few weeks I’ve read stories from elsewhere on the internet of parents that are so paranoid that they’ve basically locked their kids down since last March. In one case, she said her kids hadn’t been in a store this entire time, they get tested regularly, they’re getting all of the shots, and she became very upset when one day without her permission one of her kids visited a nearby friend. They were both unmasked, so she immediately quarantined the kid in her bedroom and was going to make her get tested as soon as possible.
If you’re an adult and want to keep yourself away from society as much as you can, go for it. But man, I feel sorry for those children.
At this point, it’s guaranteed there will be a segment of the population who will follow every directive from the “experts”, get every booster shot, wear a mask, and get tested over and over, for months and maybe years to come.
My elderly aunt in Nanaimo’s like that. She won’t have any guests in her apartment because there’s no room for the sacred “2 metres”. She doesn’t hesitate to scold me for having a mind of my own, claiming that I’m in the greatest of perils because of it.
Bonnie Henry, of course, is saintly and infallible to her.
Sadly, she’s not alone, in putting all her faith and trust into Bureaucrat Bonnie.
She’s smart cuz she’s nice……………….argh.
What sadly hilarious about people like that is that they have about a weeks worth of food in the house, a 1/4 tank of gas in the car, and a kitchen pairing knife locked away in a drawer in case someone wants to steal it all.
Masks don’t work. The clot shot doesn’t work. Natural immunity does work. If we all got it and got over it or died, this would all be history. We are just stretching out the fatalities.
To my knowledge and 40 yrs of industrial PPE training& usage, along with a stint in the military:
There are ONLY 5 proven methods/mask types that prevent ingress or egress of sub micron viral particulate:
NBCW Military Suit
HAZMAT Suit
SCBA
A plastic bag..
9mm aimed at ones cranium
Mandatory Masks is 100% akin to the Yellow Star of David for IDENTICAL REASON.
Period.
In March of last year there was a 30 page WHO saying that facemasks were worse than useless. That changed as the fascists determined we should wear masks as part of our subjugation. The masks are a great way to spread viruses. Medical professionals wear them once and throw them away. I wear them hundreds of times.
100% Steakman.
The idiocy of the paper masks is beyond belief.
I keep asking what the Occupational Health and Safety mask number is, for the Dread Covid??
The knowledgable laugh and the moron’s get that Deer in the Headlights look.
I can find filters for “Organic vapours” and All kinds of industrial hazards,but no can do on the Dread Covid Virus and no one knows how to safely decontaminate after exposure…
But a piece of fabric over my nose and mouth is “adequate”.
D.O.A.
Is the best explanation I have.
Delusions Of Adequacy.
In the US the states with mask mandates have sky high numbers, in Florida the numbers are low and no mask mandate. Think about it, you have covid and you are breathing in that face diaper, one drop of covid becomes a million drops over a span of time. Those masks are akin to contaminated medical equipment, but oh well it makes the liberal tribe feel liked and supported.
One word: dehydration. Wearing mask causes dehydration and it may make a person vulnerable to a virus infection. The public health morons are fighting the Spanish flu, not Covid.
https://theberkey.com/blogs/water-filter/coronaviruscovid-19-dehydration-concerns-stay-hydrated
https://theberkey.com/blogs/water-filter/coronaviruscovid-19-dehydration-concerns-stay-hydrated
My mask worked.
At work last winter I wore it on my chin and my chin did not come down with covid.
Gawd, logic fail.
Masks not being 100% effective is NOT evidence that they do not reduce the spread of disease.
Masks could only be 10% effective and they still would reduce the number of new infections which is a good thing.
Only a idiots and sociopaths think that intentionally transmitting a potentially deadly disease to others is no big deal.
Yet Timmy,a person with AIDs knowingly infecting an unsuspecting victim/partner is A OK in Libtard World.
Oh good Lord. Timmy the progressive degenerate is back. Go away.
What if wearing a mask facilitate an infection?
What if public health sociopaths are leading idiots to wear masks on a false reasoning ?
Why doctors and nurses in all protective professional gear following very diligently strict protocols are still getting infected with Covid? Why if they get infected , you think that you may stand a chance in your silly loose and unfitted mask?
Logic fail again. You seem to think that is masks are not 100% effective they are useless.
That is complete nonsense.
If masks mean a COVID infected person infects fewer people then they are useful.
(aside, masks don’t protect the individual – they only reduce the likelyhood that someone with COVID will infect others.).
What your believes have to do with logic ?
If have the Covid flu then STAY home. You should not be out and about spreading this flu. But some people like TimG believe if you have the Covid flu and you wear a mask then it is fine to go out and spread it.
Correct me if I’m wrong…
I thought you had to be fully vaccinated in order to fly.
This is recognition that the vaccines do not work.
Get Ivermectin and live a life worth living.
Logic fail.
The vaccines available are not 100% effective (no vaccine is). However, they greatly reduce the likelyhood of getting infected.
That makes them useful at controlling the disease.
Ivermectin has not been shown to work reliably in well designed studies. That said, a recent study suggests that the Ivermectin is effective at dealing with intestinal worms in countries that have endemic problems with these worms and the side effect of dealing with worms is lower COVID mortality. There is zero evidence that Ivermectin helps in countries without endemic problems with worms.
OTOH, there is overwhelming evidence that vaccines help yet people like you keep rejecting the evidence. So I don’t see the point of debating what the science says since you will reject any evidence that does not suit your ideology.
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Warning! TimG is the perfect example of someonme who has been fully indoctrinated by the lies from our governments, from our health bureacrats and from the MSM.
The Covid vaccines are non sterilizing. Suggesting that is similar to a sterilizing vaccine that is not 100% effective is intellectually dishonest. Greatly reducing the likelihood of getting infected is NOT WHAT was advertised, and NOT a treatment that merits mandates, when considering that it really works poorly at reducing transmission. It also might well suppress the innate immune response, as is well discussed among immunologists. You can hear that topic, as well, in the link I’ll provide here.
44:38 – “It is a fallacy to say this is an epidemic of the unvaccinated, because the vaccinated can transmit this disease, and can acquire it. They just simply do not get as sick for a while, for three months. And why this could happen in my own mind is that by giving the vaccine you raise the antibodies levels to quite a high level in the patients because of this bolus of MRNA or DNA and by doing that you raise the titers of antibody, and we know that high titers of antibody are immunosuppressant. . . so it could be that the vaccines that we are using are really therapies against the severe disease rather than vaccines against the acquisition of the virus. . . . It’s a lousy way of treating inflammation, by the way, and expensive and difficult.” Dr. John H. Abeles, USA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0ad28_arr0
Reply to TimG.
From the CDC:
“Cloth masks will not protect you from wildfire smoke (2.5 – 10 microns*). Cloth masks that are used to slow the spread of COVID-19 (0.05 to 0.14 microns*) by blocking respiratory droplets offer little protection against wildfire smoke. They might not catch small, harmful particles in smoke that can harm your health. N95 and KN95 respirators (tested using particles 0.3 microns diameter*) can provide protection from wildfire smoke and from getting and spreading COVID-19.
So even an N95 mask does not stop Covid. It MAY stop aerosols.
* my comments.
“The vaccines available are not 100% effective (no vaccine is). However, they greatly reduce the likelyhood (sic) of getting infected”.
Try looking at this post on this very blog, https://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2021/11/27/reading-the-fine-print/, in particular, this quote:
“Vaccine effectiveness of BNT162b2 against infection waned progressively from 92% at day 15-30 to 47% and from day 211 and onwards no effectiveness could be detected”.
And notice they are talking about infection, not cases, illness, serious illness or death.
“So even an N95 mask does not stop Covid. It MAY stop aerosols.”
The point of masks is to reduce the droplets expelled by someone with COVID into the air that become aerosols. They are effective at doing that even if it is not 100%. Any effectiveness greater that zero means fewer people get infected which should be a good thing unless you are sociopath.
“Vaccine effectiveness of BNT162b2 against infection waned progressively from 92% at day 15-30 to 47% and from day 211 and onwards no effectiveness could be detected”.
And for 211 days it was effective at preventing the spread of disease. This “if it is not 100% effective for all time – it is useless ” thinking is nihilism at its worst. Vaccines work – the study you just quoted demonstrated it.
Flu shots last about the same amount of time and no one has an issue with flu shots – even mandatory flu shots for health care workers.
TimG
The vaccines do not reduce the likelihood of getting infected. They reduce the severity of the infection and the likelihood of advanced cases or death. And according to all of the data from the UK, they are only effective for 6 months or so. The numbers in the UK also reveal that vaccinated people are more likely to be infected than unvaccinated 8 months after the date of vaccination. If the vaccines work so well, why are all the vaccinated people still wearing masks almost everywhere?
It is likely that vaccinated people are now spreading the virus more than the unvaccinated since they can go to public places like restaurants, clubs, concerts and pubs while the unvaccinated cannot even go to a liquor store to buy a case of beer.
“The” science changes all the time and listening to state propaganda will not fare you well.
>> The vaccines do not reduce the likelihood of getting infected. They reduce the severity of the infection and the likelihood of advanced cases or death.
Semantics. The polio vaccine does not reduce the chance of getting polio but it does ensure the virus is killed before it causes any harm.
>> The numbers in the UK also reveal that vaccinated people are more likely to be infected than unvaccinated 8 months after the date of vaccination.
But for 8 months vaccinated people were not vectors for the virus while the unvaccinated were vectors the entire time. What that statement proves is vaccines are effective at reducing the spread of the disease and the unvaccinated are the most dangerous.
>> If the vaccines work so well, why are all the vaccinated people still wearing masks almost everywhere?
more nihilist thinking. vaccines do not need to be 100% effective forever to be useful. vaccines that last 8 months are still useful (just like the flu shot).