The vaccines are “working”….

Gain of Function It's Probably Nothing Unsettled Science 39 Comments

A vaccine proclaimed as 98% effective combined with a mass vaccination program was supposed to allow a return to normal existence. Judging by what is now happening in the UK, the window for normal existence may be closing rapidly, less than 4 months after most restrictions were lifted.

The culprit? That could never be a vaccine whose effectiveness was deliberately oversold to the public. Rather, the problem arose when the failings were not covered up with the permanent imposition of a bewildering myriad of restrictions on normality. The vaccination program is starting to resemble an inept worker whom the authorities must “protect” from the consequences of his own incompetence, instead of demanding accountability:

“We have the vaccines and we know which public health protections are effective … but the government has removed all public health protections to protect the vaccination programme.”

 

39 Replies to “The vaccines are “working”….”

  3. It confounds me that so few people are concerned by how captive our governments are of the pharmaceutical industry.

  4. In the US:

    10,857 breakthrough deaths out of 729,543 total Covid deaths. 344,229 of those came in 2021. If the vaccine didn’t work, those numbers would be much closer.

    1. So you’re back to claiming that died with Covid is the same as died from Covid. Are you also still insisting that died within 2 weeks of a vaccination is totally different (and in no way related to) died from the vaccine?

      My, how those goalposts can dance!

        1. Having spent damn near two decades in data analysis for a living, I can tell you’ve never ever run into the concept of “data quality” and “backfilling”.

          Given how pathetic most health data gathering, storage, and oversight has been in the last 15 years (as compared to, say, finance or satellite management) I am kinda surprised you have near fanatical faith in the perfection of health data, and of health data analysts.

          Given I work with health data analysts, and given what many of them know about even introductory stats (what you take in first year college) wouldn’t consipate an ant, I am losing faith even the numbers we are being given.

          There is a reason FRED is nearly constantly revising data for most of tine series, in some cases going all the way back to the 1960s.

          Health services do health. Until recently they really haven’t been forced to manage nor provide the kind of deep analytics needed to justify the draconian measure our politicians are deferring to.

          I suggest the benefits and risks of vaccines, vs not, are currently largely unknowable with any meaningful accuracy, given that serious Covid is so rare.

          The problem of large denominators and miniscule numerators…

          My risk from Covid has allegedly gone from 2 in 7 million to 14 in 7 million, by remaining unvaxxed.

          Do you see what the issue is for the vaxx-pushers? Us unvaxxed don’t care about a 6 or 7-fold increase in a probability that is effectively 0 for the vast majority of us.

          1. Allan S selectively quotes, and has shown no ability to learn. Hence my question about moving goalposts. As long as “his” side wins, any source is valid. If the data or interpretation is contrary to the narrative being pushed then it can’t be believed or trusted.

            Almost as child-like an understanding as UnMe. At least Allan S asks some good questions sometimes.

          2. I was interested in doing an epidemiological study using death certificates about 15 years ago and quickly gave up the idea. They were so inaccurate that it was comical.

        2. Ah, because a medical opinion from just a single doctor, on cause of death, could never be influenced by kickbacks from pharma companies, or fear of blacklisting by politicised public healthcare systems. Got it.

          I suggest you spend some time working in a Pharmacy some time. And see what goes on between Pharma reps and doctors.

          2. Or that same data could mean that the deaths and disorders leading to death from the vaccines are far worse than is being reported. You’re moving the goalposts again.

          3. Except for the majority of deaths occurred before vaccines were available. Also, deaths tend to follow cases.

          4. Except for the majority of deaths occurred before vaccines were available. Also, deaths tend to follow cases. It looks to me like you’ve discovered seasonal variations in death rates, and how they change with temperature.

            But don’t stop moving those goalposts and selectively choosing/ignoring authorities.

          5. There’s also the fact that there are many confounding factors, like the fact that hospitals cancelled many critical surgeries and treatments due to unjustified paranoia over COVID.

            If this virus is so damned dangerous, where are all the bodies?

      2. If you look at the Pfizer application to the CDC they found nearly 1000 people came down with COVID between being vaccinated and day 14. Amazingly enough the few they did test were actually negative for COVID. But that couldn’t possibly be a vaccine reaction because the vaccine is good. So the obvious reason was false negative COVID.

        There is no other possible explanation.

        1000/40000 = 1/40 having a “false negative COVID” reaction. That’s how it is set up to hide any adverse reactions. You call it false negative COVID in an unvaccinated person. This is also why you have whistleblower nurses coming forward and saying, these aren’t COVID cases they’re vaccine reactions.

        Please don’t start jabbing the kids.

    2. How many of those deaths were due to the restrictions imposed on other therapies? Why were other therapies avoided? Let’s face it the medical profession and the pharmaceutical industry along side the government and the MSM will have a lot to answer for when the truth of this plandemic becomes apparent.

      1. “Not tested here” syndrome. It was a real eye-opener for me when I saw how it was (and how long it took) to get aspirin approved in USA/Canada as a treatment for angina because no one was willing to test the no-longer-patented medicine in that application. Just like Ivermectin / HCQ for anti-viral use in the same nations.

        There is a helluva lot of money in play, and it’s not on the side of saving lives in a cost effective manner.

    3. More deaths under Biden
      Math is hard for the left
      Deaths For 2021 with a vaccine, Surpass Toll From 2020 that had no vaccine
      As of Wednesday, Oct. 6th 2021 U.S. localities have reported 353,000 deaths since January 1, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University.
      That surpasses the 352,000 deaths reported in 2020 in the 10 months following the first recorded domestic outbreaks of the disease in March.
      https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisadellatto/2021/10/06/us-covid-19-deaths-for-2021-surpass-toll-from-2020/?sh=202b2d196cc2

      1. He inherited the 3rd wave, which is the worst on record.

        Provisional data shows more deaths in 2020.

  6. Why is no one talking about antibody dependant enhancement???? Stats look pretty clear to me.

    And then there’s this little treasure, an NIH publication saying we should all be warned about that possibility as part of informed consent. It’s going to be hard for them to say they didn’t know this could happen.

    And for God’s sake don’t start vaccinating the 5-11 year olds!!!!!

    https://granitegrok.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Informed-consent-disclosure-reseach-NIH-Pub-Med-Dec-2020.pdf

    1. If they gain access to children those kids will need boosters every six months, think of the money big pharma and dirty politicians can make?

  7. Ah, the “excess mortality” canard. WHO confirms there is no measurable excess mortality globally. The worst flu of all time took out about 60 million. Mostly young, and either on or supporting active service.

    Again, CDC results are not actual deaths, they are ‘modelled’.

    Additionally, clusters of mortality are GUARANTEED when you have a very aged population (as most countries in the West do).

    It is VERY interesting to correlate median age with Covid (and all-cause) mortality.

    Oh and skip the dashboards. They are built in PowerBI by junior analysts with scant (if any) data science skills.

    1. Provisional deaths are not modeled, they are from death certificate data and are when the death occurred. Most datasets for deaths are when the death was reported. There can be a 6 month difference. The threshold for excess deaths is modeled. The increase in deaths was 25x the 20 year average last year. 533k vs the normal increase of 21k. Old age doesn’t even come close to explaining that, seniors didn’t suddenly age 10 years in 1 year.

      1. There is zero evidence that a virulent flu strain would not have had the exact same effect.

        The US is clearly a global outlier: excess morbidities are clustered virtually entirely in the aged. In Canada for example, mean age of death of Covid victims exceeded the life expectancy.

        You will find that with or without your ‘vaccines’ the Covid morbidities will shrink rapidly. These respiratory viruses have a habit of lasting a short while, then decaying to nothing.

        Your big problem, now that Covid is endemic, and here to stay, is what does a serious Covid outbreak in 7 years look like.

        You fucked this up. You have scant (if any) herd immunity. The only thing saving you at this point is that Covid is a nothing burger. Wait till it’s serious, and you’ve so pissed off the normies that we tell you we’d rather die of it than pay another nickel in taxes to the aging hippie fag lobby.

        But again, your CDC data quality is rubbish. Your morbidity is NOT based on actual all-cause deaths, because that data has not been consistently and accurately maintained YoY. Fact.

        The average health department database is an intergalactic clusterfuck, and you know it.

        1. 17/18 was the worst flu season in 40 years down south. Yet its an absolute drop in the bucket compared to the last 18 months.

          The USA is not an outlier. They’re around 9th in covid deaths per capita. Peru is much worse.

          1. Sorry, data quality. Patchy at best. Positively garbage nowadays.

            Health datbases are crappola at the best of times. Sorry. The way it is.

  8. So I am over 65, in Saskatchewan, and thus eligible for the 3rd booster shot. Does that mean I can skip taking shots 1 and 2?

    1. You know, that’s a decent point. I plan to wait till about the 7th. That way we’ll have good(-ish) longitudinal data.

      Never, ever buy v1.0 of anything!

    2. I don’t see why not. The booster shots are aimed at variants, and we are past the point where earlier variants are prevalent. I think it should be like flu shots. You may have missed last year’s, but you can still get this year’s. No point in back tracking.
      Now, my assumption here is that the vaccine is actually designed to combat Covid. In which case, it’s not clear why they might be pumping all that graphene oxide into people.

      1. You missed the polyethylene glycol or is it polystyrene glycol? There is so much sh*t in it I have a hard time keeping track.

        As for the number of deaths recorded in 2020 it is on record that physicians recorded deaths as covid caused rather than covid related. The hospitals were getting more money for treating covid than anything else. We will never know the true number.

        https://fee.org/articles/physicians-say-hospitals-are-pressuring-er-docs-to-list-covid-19-on-death-certificates-here-s-why/

        In a way this injection program might benefit the human race in the long run since it appears the more boosters one gets the more chance the recipient will succumb to the Darwin Principle.

  9. First the goberment told us one jab would protect us from Covid, then they demanded two jabs and asserted it will protect you. Then they state opps you can catch and transmit Covid after two jabs, now they want to jab the peasants with a third and fourth shot. Sorry but would you buy a car from a dealer who told you lies day after day? The minute they gave big pharma legal immunity I lost any and all trust in the governments’ globally, they sold us a big ole bucket of lies and they’ve become trillionares over night at the healthy’s expense. Take you jab and shove it, how many kids are the greedy politicians and big pharma going to murder via those jabs sans a single legal penalty? I’m also wondering if the various medical associations are getting money from big pharma to ensure the jabs continue?

    1. If it gets bad enough, citizens will impose the penalties without the need for legal niceties. that is when Canadians will wish we had a 2nd Ammendment.

      1. Rocks, bricks, sledgehammers, IEDs, petrol bombs, knives, burning houses down, barricading doors and torching buildings.

        There is a lot that can be done that does not need firearms, as the IRA already showed. And guns can easily be smuggled. Because gun control works just as well as drug prohibition!

        The Cartels will be the Freedom Fighters’ new best friends.

        If I were Western governments, I really would not be pushing this crap so hard on people.

        I am starting to think a little revival of the scourge of 1970’s urban terrorism may be quite cathartic for Western countries in the end.

        1. All of the above work, that’s true but a 9mm is neat and tidy with less collateral damage.

          The Chinese have worked this out. The virus will eliminate enough of the population that they will be able to walk into most Western democracies with a minimum of collateral damage. Whether the deaths come from the virus alone or from the adverse effects of the injection will make no difference. Think it couldn’t happen? Better go back and read some history, gas used by Germany in WWI, extermination of the Jewish population in Germany, the Holodomor in Ukraine, Mao’s Five Year Plan, these all happened in civilized societies(?).

  11. How many people died from suicide or over dose? Better count them in the excess morbidity column. I imagine they are actually counted in the death from covid side of the table. I guess they were killed by covid one way or another.
    I don’t personally know a single person who die of covid but I know of one person who died from the vaccine and my wifes nephew knows two buddys from high school who committed suicide last summer. They were both 30 years old and lost their jobs because of covid. Who keeps track of all these excess deaths?

  12. The narrative is that natural immunity isn’t effective.
    How many people in the ICUs have had Covid previously?

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