Preprint paper puts numbers to what we already know. Seniors in institutions did the worst when it came to covid. So, long term care homes, hospitals, maybe prisons, etc.
A lot of what we’re seeing and hearing these days is misdirection so we don’t notice this. Covid is a problem, a very big problem for some people but they’re burning an awful lot of calories trying to make us think everyone carry’s the same risk.
Allan S hardest hit.
Now multiply by the probability of getting it (about 1% per year) and you get … very very small.
Just like the flu that it is.
I remember this same thing happening with AIDS. It was specific groups; first gay men, then intravenous drug users, spouses of both, and some blood transfusion transmission.
But everyone was at risk, everyone had to change their behaviors.
(everybody change their behaviours) without the government forcing them to.
And the Blood Transfusion transmission. The government did that. Bill Clinton’s Arkansas government knowingly selling to the Canadian Red Cross, and the Canadian Red Cross, even though they knew, gave it (and killed) a fair number of Canadians.
And the Justice Minister at the time, Juan Cretin, was in on the acquisition.
Amazingly, it was also Fauci back then using the same playbook for AIDS he has been using for Covid.
He continued making public statements saying heterosexual people were at a huge risk from AIDS long after the science was showing that the risk of transmission during vaginal sex was minimal.
Last I heard, there was one, a singular, solitary documented occurrence of Lesbian Female to Female HIV/AIDS transmission.
I read about that a while ago. The key take-away is that everything with heavy government involvement screwed the pooch,
the rest pretty trivial.
Yes, someone made this point a while back, I can’t remember who, that it was a pandemic of the institutionalized. Being cooped up with the same people, constantly breathing their air, touching the same surfaces, touching each other. Stress, lack of exercise, sunlight, and appropriate nutrition. In addition, in the seniors case at least, there is a fair bit of feces in play with health care aides going room to room, wiping butts, then they go to their other job in another nursing home.
That interesting thing is when you start breaking down the deaths you see that the deaths in those institutions were not evenly spread across all institutions, cities or even provinces. So the debate about masks is focused on whether or not masks protect you or anyone else work is misdirected. Wearing a mask at Canadian Tire or wherever has zero effect on what goes on in the local nursing home or prison, or hospital. It’s like putting on a sweater when someone across town is cold.
So, ironically, the people who suffered the most from Covid are those who were under the highest form of control and supervision and least amount of autonomy and freedom, and mostly in institutions run or regulated by the government.
P.S. I’d love to see someone investigate what went on in Quebec with euthanasia in nursing homes.
Its not just the fatality rate. Its the burden on ICU units. Theres places in the states right now that have a 36 hour wait for an ICU bed. Pre covid 85% of ICU stays were 3 days or less. The average Covid patient is 3 weeks.
That means the death rate for everything goes up.
Bullshit. People I speak to directly involved in the healthcare field say the hospital floors and rooms reallocated for COVID are practically empty. The ICU’s, as usual, are always full.
Nothing that you typed refutes what I typed.
You are claiming COVID is going to overwhelm ICU’s. Which front line workers tell me it won’t.
It already is!
Patients are being sent out of state.
It doesn’t require refuting as it is bullshit.
“Pre covid 85% of ICU stays were 3 days or less. The average Covid patient is 3 weeks.”
Post covid what percentage of ICU stays are three days or less?
What percentage of ICU patients are being treated for COVID?
Don’t know the answer to the first. The second I’ve seen anywhere from 30% to 50%. Usually that number is percent of total ICU patients, not beds.
And keep in mind, lurkers, that Allan S rarely posts links now because when he has (in the past) we look at those same links and they often say the opposite of what he’s claiming they said.
Caveat emptor.
Its funny because the exact opposite is true.
What was it before they rebranded the flu as “Covid-19”?
In a free market, a spike in customer demand generates a redirection or boost in resources to meet that demand. The profit motive is the primary driver. In centrally planned systems, spikes in demand are treated as anomalies that must be suppressed in order not to exhaust what are erroneously viewed as finite resources. The situation in Canada is particularly bad in this regard as there is almost nothing left of a free market in medicine in the country.
Piss off Allen S! I go to the number one hospital in Calgary regularly for the last 18 months, before wuflu even got started here. Never tested, never impeded on entry. The place was like a tomb for the first half of 2020 until things relaxed. The PCR “test” is crap and is used to generate “cases”. Nobody is tested with the PCR test on entry. Anyone believing the BS on this is a moron, which you have amply demonstrated. There has never been “a burden on the ICU” in this city and that’s directly from the horses’ mouth, surgeons/doctors I go to. I go to three hospitals regularly in Calgary. Fake news. There are 74 of 1100 available ICU beds being used today in Calgary, well within their case handling.
Ok and then what happened….
People need to understand that the only reason a covid patient wastes so much time in ICU is because they are being intubated. The protocol for treating covid is wrong. Once your oxygen level goes below a threshold, boom, you’re intubated and you go into the ICU. And once you are intubated, your lungs are get “used to” the pressure and added increased % of oxygen that you breath. Similar to getting hooked on “the good stuff” they give you for pain. And guess what, weaning you off of that respirator takes a long time. I find it totally baffling that after almost two years of this bullshit, they haven’t even changed the protocol for treating… test blood for oxygen… too low… intubate them for weeks.
Oh and ICU numbers need to be taken with a grain of salt… any hospital administrator could fill their ICU in a day just by admitting a bunch of people and giving them beds. And we all know that early on a lot of healthcare providers were lambasted for having empty ICUs after having shutdown most normal hospital operations. Lots of empty rooms with nurses making tik tok videos. Well, the administrators learned and weren’t going to make that mistake again.
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/about-the-guidelines/whats-new/
The treatment protocol is consta try changing. Now there’s a new drug they use for high risk non hospitalized patients.
Taken from Twitter:
“Israel announced today that vaccine passports are no longer valid 6 months after the date of the last shot.
Anyone who thinks that vaccine passports are just temporary measures to get us through the pandemic might want to think again.”
I never thought I’d see the day I’d be bullish on Sweden and negative on Israel.
https://www.wwnytv.com/2021/08/27/explainer-what-happens-when-an-icu-reaches-capacity/
80% ICU capacity in the USA right now.
I guess we all know what the S stands for Allan
“Swallows”?
As they always are. What is your major malfunction anyway?
Who is paying you to be such an obtuse, hysterical fear-monger?
You never let up despite everything that’s posted here that shows the opposite of the government and MSM propaganda that you so relish?
It’s never fallen below 70%.
ICU usage is always high, you fucking retard.
The 2010 2010!! Canadian Film Board documentary in which Dr. Theresa Tam, an ex-WHO committee member, is featured and quoted to have stated, with respect to a potential pandemic;
Transcript (of Film Documentary):
1:25 – 1:32 – “Large epidemics and pandemics occur on a regular basis through-out history, and it will occur again. It definitely will.”
57:00 – 58:00 – “If there are people who are non-compliant, there are definitely laws and public health powers that can quarantine people in mandatory settings.”
“It’s potential you could track people, put bracelets on their arms, have Police and other set-ups to ensure quarantine is undertaken.”
“It is better to be pre-emptive and pre-cautionary and take the heat of people thinking you might be overreacting, get ahead of the curve, and then think about whether you’ve over-reacted later. It’s such a serious situation that I think decisive early action is the key.”
Narrator Colm Feore states: “Police checkpoints are set up on all the bridges and everyone leaving the city is required to show proof of vaccination. Those who refuse to cooperate are taken away to temporary detention centers.”
I can’t find it. Got a link or a title?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtSgG6-96×0
For my age group 1 in 1000 will die supposedly. Right now BC is doing around 700 cases a day but deaths remain around zero. I’d say when all is said and done delta is a big fat nothingburger wrapped up in totalitarian fear porn. Too bad for Justin it might cost him the election. The irony of this is so sweet.
That is the probability if you get it. You multiple the 700 a day by the 1 in 1000, you get 0.7 / day (risk of death varies by age, some more and some less than 1 in 1000).
Anybody observing what was taking place in Europe last spring knew this was killing scores of old people, primarily in nursing homes. Everyone knew it was coming here but government and the healthcare industry either through negligence or stupidity did nothing to protect those most vulnerable. Now that the worst is over and they failed when they actually could have done something meaningful, they’re acting like they know it all and they’re in control of everything. People are coming to their senses and realizing government is using covid as a reason for curtailing our freedom, hence we need an election before the rest of the rubes catch on.
Old people always die from the flu. Not only that, now whenever anyone dies of anything, if they happen to have had a PCR “positive” test, is counted as a “covid death”. It’s a very evil scam on many different levels.
And these numbers are prior to considering other confounding risk factors. I wonder if the age curve would flatten if weighted by the probability (at age) of having co-morbitities ? That is, that it’s not age per se so much as the prevalence of other weaknesses?
What a moronic way of displaying numbers. Using this philosophy seat belts don’t save lives. What are you trying to prove? That covid is not a problem? It’s a big fucking problem. Yes, it’s a much greater problem if you’re older, fatter and have diabetes. But it’s still a problem.
Take all the people who die in car accidents every year, express their deaths as a percentage of the population, and then conclude that car accidents are not a safety issue. Nice work.
Better yet, take all the people who die from vaccinations and express their deaths in the same manner – not a problem. So where do you go from stupid?
Sorry Kate. First time in 18 months I’ve had a glass of wine and it turned off my nice button.
On a lighter note the human brain is not wired to understand the difference between 99.973% and 99.41%.
Your brain clearly isn’t. But otherwise you get 50 cents.
Dear Steve. You turn into an asshole when you drink and you apparently can’t hold your liquor.
If we take all the numbers of people who die in car crashes over the number of people who ride in them, as a society, determine that the risk of driving is worth it. This is the number of people who contracted covid and survived. It does not include all of the people who never contracted it. I believe three percent of people contact the flu every year, I wonder how many people would contact covid? Is what we are doing to children, which I believe is criminal, enough to justify the very low risk to them?
Yes criminal abuse. 4.3M have died globally out of a population of 7.9B people.
This is nothing, a fucking nothing burger. House flies kill more people. Mosquitoes’ kill more fucking people than Covid For Fucks Sake.
This is what happens when amateurs drink, they can’t even do grade 7 math.
Yes criminal abuse. 4.3M have died globally out of a population of 7.9B people.
This is nothing, a fucking nothing burger. House flies kill more people. Mosquitoes’ kill more fucking people than Covid For Fucks Sake.
Steve … The numbers displayed imply nothing about what works. They only imply as stated – that it is not quite right to make people think all are equally at risk.
All of those numbers are wrong. You don’t know the denominator and hence you cannot calculate a %. Probably an order of magnitude high.
Incorrect Richard (Dick) Smacky.
Just wait until the ban on Unvaccinated Nursing Home workers goes into effect here in the USA.
The nursing homes, assisted living, and memory care facilities are going to be undermanned, and neglect, mistakes, injuries, and deaths will skyrocket.
Facts are 4.3M have died globally out of a population of 7.9B.
That is sweet fuck all. A nothing burger. More people drown in canoes for fuck sake.
More people die in farm accidents. More people are murdered by their fucking governments every year.
The COVID TYRANTS HAVE KILLED MORE CITIZENS BY SHUTTING DOWN OUR LIVES.
NO Healthcare or cancer care etc.
This is insane criminality by the MSM and our Governments.
https://hot.com.au/
The media can read just as well as me (maybe), but somehow it is left to me to report this.
Less than a third of delta variant deaths are in the unvaccinated.
Let me say that another way – two-thirds of Delta deaths in the UK are in the jabbed.
https://chriswaldburger.substack.com/p/bombshell-uk-data-destroys-entire
I am vaccinated and wear a mask indoors in places where elderly people have to go, even if they don’t provide the wearer with much protection, I wear it in places like the drug store or the supermarket old people have to frequent, but not in places people can easily avoid if they are concerned, like cafés or bars. This is because I care about other people, even if they are ‘old and are going to die anyway,’ and do not wish to put their lives at risk over something as trivial as a mask, which will protect others if I am infected by catching microscopic droplets expelled when I am speaking, for example.
Also, I can understand the studies and read them directly and don’t make my decisions based on “who I can trust” because pretty much you can’t trust anybody. That’s why I read the studies directly and use scholar.google.com mostly to do my research, not some chart cherry picker on Twitter.
I am an old man and I laugh in the faces of fools like you.