Circulating SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine Antigen Detected in the Plasma of mRNA-1273 Vaccine Recipients (pdf)
Limitations of the current study include the small sample size and potential biases that result from enrolling healthy, young adults, which may not be representative of the general population. Future studies should also examine the dynamics of antigen production with neutralization antibodies. Nonetheless, evidence of systemic detection of spike and S1 protein production from the mRNA-1273 vaccine is significant and has not yet been described in any vaccine study, likely due to limitations in assay sensitivity and timing assessment. The clinical relevance of this finding is unknown and should be further explored. These data show that S1 antigen production after the initial vaccination can be detected by day one and is present beyond the site of injection and the associated regional lymph nodes. Induction of IgG and IgA immune responses can be detected as early as day five post vaccination and are associated with clearance of spike and S1 antigen in the systematic circulation.
Discussion (from a pro-vaccine biochemist): This finding is initially a bit surprising. A key mechanistic point regarding the safety of the vaccines has been that the spike protein does not get to freely float around in the blood where it might be able to cause these deleterious effects we discussed earlier.
My purpose in writing this post (and others) isn’t to create undue concern over the safety of mRNA vaccines, but to bring you the latest developments as they emerge. My position is officially neutral, but as our media are now functioning as state propagandists, giving dissenting/concerned viewpoints few opportunities to be heard, I will continue to share the credible voices here.
*From May 4th: Lung Disease Or Blood Disease?”
Related? — CDC is reviewing several dozen reports that teenagers and young adults may have developed myocarditis after vaccination…
The myocarditis does have me questioning getting my second mRNA dose. I cancelled my AstraZeneca after BC’s prevalence of blood clots rose to 1 in 50,000. I know it’s a small sample size but I really didn’t want to question every symptom for 4 weeks.
Anyway myocarditis is far more serious than blood clots and basically ends in life long conditions.
The type of blood clots seen rarely with the vaccine are very serious. It is not your typical clots, and treating with heparin actually makes them worse.
Did you notice the NYT link headlines the article as “a few” when the text states “several dozen” ? And don’t search myocarditis on twitter because you’ll get more anecdotal reports than is healthy.
A few percent of those suffering from myocarditis are dying of heart attacks. Here in Colorado, a healthy 15 yo boy fell ill within hours after vaccination and died of a heart attack 2 days later. For what?
“This finding is initially a bit surprising. A key mechanistic point regarding the safety of the vaccines has been that the spike protein does not get to freely float around in the blood where it might be able to cause these deleterious effects we discussed earlier. ”
Pro-vaccine biochemist? Can you be any more effing stupid?!!
Injection into muscle and supporting vasculature. mRNA in muscle cells and vascular endothelial cells (mRNA in vaxx is in liposomes, which goes through any lipid bilayer) causes eventual cell lysis or production of exosome with Spike protein and goes where??? Interstitial fluid, lymph and blood. A needle penetrating the skin and underlying facia and musculator does a lot of localized damage. That’s why it hurts. Oh my effing *****.
A bit surprising? What? Wot? More like a bit expected.
What a bunch of effing morons. They read a bunch of books but know nothing.
The whole thing is moronic. Lock down and destroy every ones life and private business, and children’s lives over a flu with a 99.7% survivability.
These are Monsters, these people are Nuremberg Level Criminals. All of them.
You’d rather take a 1 in 300 chance of dying over a 1 in 50000 chance (in the worst case) of blood clots. Your arithmetic skills are outstanding. I guess everyone who died of covid just doesn’t count.
Your logic is rather infantile. Run and hide. And by the way, one really wonders how many of those who “died of covid”, really “died of covid”.
Riiight, the global coverup of faked covid deaths where every doctor and nurse in the world is “in on it.” What sort of over-estimation are we talking about here? 10%? Doubled? Tenfold?
We see a typical troll here in antiquated, some puffery from his favourite mass media talking head, a few insults, and off into the Internet vapour, back to Twitterland.
Hope he got three doses of AZ, just for extra ‘safety’
In my province we have ~3000 active cases in a population of 5 million. My chances of even running into someone with this thing is so tiny. Then if I get it my chance of death is 1 in 300. So the blood clots are far, far more common than the death by wu flu.
So I guess we should have just let it blow through the population then. No vaccines, no mitigation strategies that would inconvenience you. Still liking your chances over a vaccine? Are you really that bad at simple counting?
Anitq – uity….(aka LIBERAL TROLL)
“..So I guess we should have just let it blow through the population then. No vaccines, no mitigation strategies…”
THAT, Sonny boy is PRECISELY what they should have done.
The ONLY pandemic here is the constant BULLSHIT & pure LIES emanating from self important “KEVINS” like you, the MSM, Publicly Paid Medical FASCISTS & Big Harma.
This supposed DEADLY Flu is no more virulent than Influenza A or B with an identical mortality age range & adjoining existing medical conditions.
Get real.. 80% of the population either has some or full PRE-EXISTING IMMUNITY….cause well why.? We all have been hit at some point or many points in our lives with one corona virus or another.
We’ll know in a few years whether vaccination was overall beneficial or not. For those suffering immediate severe reactions and death, it clearly was not.
You cannot seriously be comparing the suffering of the vaccinated to the people suffering and dying of covid, thinking you’d rater be in the latter group. I guess maybe you are. Just add one more to the pile of reasons most people think you are all bonkers.
No healthy child has died from the disease. The same isn’t true of the vaccine. The claims of healthy children dying of the disease all turn out to be morbidly obese fatties.
And you can prevent Covid by boosting your immune systemwith adequate Vit. D (and magnesium, zinc , K2). Even if you have various comorbidities. And then there are the effective treatments….
Your math only works if you assume a 100% infection rate for the population. Then the individual’s chance of death becomes 1 in 300. I can do many things to not participate in being infected.
The 1 in 50,000 applies to every single individual who chooses to be vaccinated. I can do one simple thing to 100% avoid this risk.
Please try again.
Well if you’re a keyboard warrior living in your mom’s basement, I guess it works out just fine for you. For the rest of us, we’ll be socializing, going to weddings, bars and parties.
But if you do crawl out of your hole to visit civilization and happen to get covid, then at least have the decency to die in a ditch rather than taking a hospital bed away from someone who couldn’t have avoided their situation by simply getting a vaccine.
Exactly right. And for two dose “vaccines,” risks are associated with each jab.
You must get your info from the CBC. Do you mask up outside and in your car and even swimming? If you have a child do you smother the child with a face diaper?
More people die each day from drug overdoses than from covid. More people will die from cancer and heart attack because of suspended healthcare due to lockdowns than from covid.
Unfortunately for us you like many in Canada have State Induced Paranoia, or Stockholm Syndrome and need to get yourself into treatment. You should also look at suing the government for your medical condition. Government and their state owned propagandists in the media have given you a mental disorder.
And no I will not take the vaccine.
It is my right to refuse medical treatment and it is your right to be apart of a grand medical experiment if you choose.
Good luck with being Big Pharma and the Governments experimental guinea pig.
Not sure why I can’t reply directly to “antiq” at 10:35 (there’s no reply button), but I’ll state my reply here:
I asked you to re-do your math and you got all in a huff and insulted me. Not a great debate tactic.
You also can’t read. I didn’t say I wasn’t going to participate in society, I said I can make choices to redue the risk of infection – VitD, exercise, sunshine, strong immune system, good diet, handwashing, masks, HCQ/IVM early treatment, etc. I’m fine with doing these types of things until long term data on the vaccines is available, even if it’s a couple of years. Sounds like you, on the other hand, would prefer being dead in a ditch to some simple self-health discipline.
Agreed Watcher, It will also be interesting to see what happens with the vaccinated over the next one to three years as well. As stated before, I’ve volunteered to remain part of the control group!
100% agreed with Watcher and RN.
COMMON F’ing Sense” Should be, but is obviously not the norm in this country. The BEST DEFENSE against a Virus – ANY Virus is:
As noted: Taking Vitamin D, B1, B12, C w/Zinc, Magnesium – Exercise OUTdoors and healthy Eating….just like Any other time in our recent history.
STRANGELy enough – NOT 1 WHO directed Health MOUTHPIECE in this country has said a Damned thing about the above…things ANY 1st Yr Med Student would know.
Why is that ANTIK..??
A Fair amount of the current idiocy over these BS Jabs can be attributed to wanna be (likely publicly paid), fascists like antik…who I’m sure spews his garbage far and wide ensuring that any that may waver are shown the correct way to the Showers….right.??
A moment’s reflection would suggest your individual chances of dying of Covid are not 1 in 300. They will vary from person to person depending on factors such as age, sex, lifestyle, general health. The odds for my 85 year old Father with type 2 diabetes are very different from those for my healthy 13 year old son.
Sorry, no, your chances of death are not 1 in 300 from COVID, only if you’re over 75 with co-morbidities.
More like 1 in 10,000 for the general population, and even less, the younger one is.
Yeah, gimme COVID instead, I’m ready, rather than from a gene mutilation therapy that opens one up to future auto-immune disease!
COVID is only slightly more lethal than the annual flu, in fact, COVID is LESS lethal to the young, than influenza. Otherwise, both overwhelmingly affect the very sick elderly!
A few days ago, I had a brief chat with one of those “everybody needs to be vaccinated” types. He bragged that he had his first shot, which I countered by expressing my skepticism about taking something that hadn’t undergone proper clinical testing.
His response was that, after several weeks, he’s suffered no ill effects. I didn’t try to convince him that it might not be enough time. Besides, he was one of those people with a relative or acquaintance who works in a medical facility and is, according to him, overflowing with virus cases. By implication, using his logic, every such establishment is and that the end of the world is nigh.
I gave up trying to use logic and reason to convince such people.
What is your definition of “proper clinical testing”?
Such a claim requires evidence, and not just parroting what somebody in a video on youtube or somesuch told you.
What’s your evidence for making that claim?
The vaccine research and approval last year was expedited. In the USA, Operation Warp Speed dumped approximately 20 billion last year, on top of untold billions researchers had already spent on this, and accelerated the “normally” slow and bureaucratic approval process from recruiting trial participants to having the regulatory bodies take their sweet time reading reams of writeups and data.
And the technology the front running vaccines are based on have been in development for 30 years+ in different fields of research, for example, fighting cancer, rare diseases, etc.
As well, the delivery system for Pfizer is based on research started 40 years ago in fatty nanoparticles by a researcher here in Canada at UBC and commercialized and tested at various companies, and the first work on RNA vaccines started around 30 years ago.
What we are seeing with these vaccines is truly an accelerated scientific triumph.
The Pfizer and Moderna systems are revolutionary and I bet in 10 years this success is going to fuel more vaccines, and even treatments for many diseases from inherited genetic diseases to conditions we can’t even imagine treatments for right now.
To paraphrase/quote a medical blogger I read, the Pffizer vaccine 95% reduction in symptomatic COVID-19 cases is rarely seen in modern science. The difference in number of infections in the vaccine arm and placebo arm is about 12 standard deviations from no different. The evidence is so strong that a likelihood ratio of the probability that the data is consistent with the null hypothesis (vaccine doesn’t work) over the probability that the data is consistent with the alternate hypothesis (vaccine does work), the fraction has almost 30 zeros and the mRNA vaccine data is about as strong as medical evidence can get.
HI Chris. Let’s revisit this observation of yours when the Pfizer and Moderna trials have been completed in 2023 and 2025. We are so worried about long covid. I wonder what long mRNA will be like?
I for one am not worried about long covid. Long BS is a big problem, however
Best answer to the covid question yet Robert …. LONG BS INDEED!!
+++++/\ Bang on Robert- INDEED.!!
15 months and counting….
And wait until we have some time to see if slow acting adverse effects, like prion disease (spongiform encepholopathy) starts to hit 10’s of millions of people to overwhelm our society and healthcare system. With the possible creation of so many dementia patients, is it any wonder why globalists are pushing for MAID for people who can’t really consent? I think this is all one big interlocking plan to cull. Long term effects that can’t be seen, rush to put it in everyone’s arms, when they zombify it will be OK to euthanize them. We are so effed cause folks like Chris and antiq have no patience.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/05/no_author/warning-pfizers-experimental-emergency-use-authorized-mrna-vaccine-carries-serious-risk-of-prion-associated-spongiform-encephalopathy-dementia/
Classen is an antivaxxer, nevertheless, only time and additional testing can determine whether these problems appear or not.
and the “people” think they are not test subjects. I wonder how many more will have to die? as of May 21st in Europe and America a total of 14,627 have died, that sure is one hell of a test.
Well thank you for the hoorahs, Chris, I hope so. This technology apparently has wider application than as a vaccine and is certainly promising. However, I am still perplexed by the almighty panic and alarm about a bad influenza. For most people, this vaccine is completely unnecessary, in my view.
“For most people, this vaccine is completely unnecessary”
But for the mot vulnerable vaccines became an absolute necessity, especially here in the west where we put all our eggs in the vaccine basket completely ignoring or in some instances like in Australia making any alternative against the law and now it has become a kind of test of ‘decency and good citizenship’. Shut up and take the vaccine and quit being a stupid bad person they explain.
You forgot the part where you mention that they had been denied FDA approval for the last 10 years.. then granted FDA emergency authorization with no change.
There’s a reason they were denied, do you know what that is?
Every test animal died.
A proper clinical trial includes informed consent and double-blind testing, where neither the recipients nor those administering the medication know what’s in the syringe. In addition, the trial is run for several years.
Show me where this was done, and, no, the release of that gunk that quickly is not the “triumph” of science. In addition, if there’s supposed to be no risk, why won’t any pharmaceutical firm be willing to accept liability? Have they no confidence in their product?
In addition, where is the informed consent? Instead, it’s a case of “take it or else”. That’s hardly voluntary, now is it?
Trials are run for years due to many issues including recruitment , paperwork review by beaurocrats, resource constraints, etc. There were no short cuts in safety and efficacy evaluation
Here is some example links demonstrating the double blind and random:
1) https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577
“In an ongoing multinational, placebo-controlled, observer-blinded, pivotal efficacy trial, we randomly assigned persons 16 years of age or older in a 1:1 ratio to receive two doses, 21 days apart, of either placebo or the BNT162b2 vaccine candidate”
2)
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04516746
“Phase III Double-blind, Placebo-controlled Study of AZD1222 for the Prevention of COVID-19 in Adults”
Trials are run for years due to many issues including recruitment , paperwork review by beaurocrats, resource constraints, etc
You forgot one major aspect: long term effects. That wasn’t done in this case.
Read up on the history about the polio vaccine. One variety was withdrawn after, if I remember correctly, clinical trials indicated that children were getting sick. Salk’s was tested for at least 2 years with few, if any, side effects.
I’m one of the first generation that received an approved polio vaccine. That was around 60 years ago. Somebody got it right because it was properly tested.
The stuff that’s being distributed now hasn’t been.
New vaccines are pulled if there are more than 25 deaths.
With these COVID “vaccines” there have been 4700 deaths in the US, over 10,000 is Europe and hundreds of thousands harmed.
They have never been approved by the FDA.
What really smells bad is the suppression of cheap treatments that work. HCQ, Ivermectin and others.
They could not get emergency use authorization when alternatives exist.
This is a huge money grab at our expense, the vaccines were never needed for a flu with a 99.9+ survival rate. Big pharma is not our friend.
The is an actual crime against humanity and the legal proceedings are underway.
Bob.
Among many indicators that all is not what it appears as per MSM, Govt wanna be nazi’s & Publicly Paid Health Fascists….is Twofold.
ZERO mention of ones Immune system and the things one can do to ensure its working at peak efficiency & the Utter FRAUDULENT Trashing of HCQ & IVMCTN by the Very folks who have vested financial stakes in their BS Faux Vaccines.
Bill Gates – Dr Fauci…..among others.
SCAM from the git go…..all to cull that growing global demographic: BOOMERS
Good go get as many repeat doses as you can. Become the tattoo artist for the vax.
I ain’t buying it. The vax is an experimental immune therapy.
Good luck
Chris this isn’ hard and it’s hardly extraordinary to prove the extraordinarily unprecedented nature of this. The FDA EUA.
Just because something has been in the research pipeline for other applications for a long time doesn’t mean they’ve figured out how to make it work or work safely previously. In fact it may be the opposite. I agree the RNA concept has promise, so if they are shooting this technology in the foot by going too fast with this application, who knows what the fall out could be.
I’m not sure what you are trying to say in your paraphrase – “number of infections in [an].. arm” makes no sense. Just drop the null hypothesis stuff, once you’ve said number of infections in an arm, you’re just making an eye felony. Besides you already lost credibility points for missing the low hanging fruit (the EUA). Sorry can’t even reconstruct what you are trying to say, much less if you understood it correctly.
Can you imagine the same argument applied to a new style of nuclear power plant
…well it’s been in planning and research for decades. We’re just skipping some regulatory steps, environmental reviews and bureaucratic paper work. It’s a new fission process that could revolutionize carbon free energy production. Given the existential threat of the climate change emergency we need to have this approved and mass produced for emergency use, bypassing long term safety analysis. It’s for the greater good.
LC
Good analogy…Love it.!’
ah yes.. for the GREATER GOOD..!!
Thalidomide comes to mind….(that might have been the first of the global Big Harma FAUX vaccines eh..??)
You dis people for listening to some video on you tube that defend a position you disagree with and then you end by referencing some blogger you read. Huh. The 95% is the Vaccine efficiency otherwise know as the Relative Risk Reduction -which is a legit and useful statistic – can be placed into context by the Absolute Risk Reduction which is much less talked about, but for Pfizer is 0.70%. This is still a significant figure but helps to locate the effect of the Vaccine in a context relative to the risk of experiencing the illness. And your preference to trust technocratic analysis before the empirical evidence is fully addressed is also a position that one can defend, but to completely discount the possibility of unintended consequences that some experts in the field are suggesting could result from the vaccine, just isn’t Science or I would think rational.
What are the effects of the genetically modified experiment in 5 years on humans?
……………crickets……………..
Get back to me when the CDC uses the same number of PCR cycles for breakthrough COVID after vaccination as for confirming COVID itself.
That “fighting cancer” thing worked out pretty well, no?
Having a couple of previous lives, one as an elected official at minor level, rm, and as a licensed chemical applicator in Sask, Oklahoma, and Texas, this opinion might be valid. As an rm councilor, the recognition that the system was designed with checks and balances thru regulation and rules to prevent people from being hurt, as a politician, these can be the absolute most frustrating hurdles to try to work thru as nothing happens overnight. But they are in place because of past errors, somebody screwed up so the rules were put in place to prevent it happening again. There’s no looking forward as far as limitations on govt at any level. In fact many laws are put in place assuming you’ll always hold that seat and the opposite spectrum of view won’t use that in unintended ways. Regulation as a whole, is generally good, it provides time for sober second thought.
Now as a licensed chemical applicator, Emergency use authorizations are not new, they are commonly used by Health Canada to approve new uses for existing chemicals and treatments that have currently passed existing approvals, think of aspirin for heart attack versus headache. In almost every existing use of an EUA, the chemical or drug has gone thru the regulation, safety protocols, and due process that makes it a safe effective treatment.
Today, we have a prime minister that’s handing bags of cash to his family, he’s run off a justice minister that wouldn’t turn a blind eye to corruption at SNC, there’s obvious issues throughout the federal govt, and a culture of muzzling any thought or speech against the narrative prescribed by the same govt. Basically we have pulled all the safety measures to fast track getting rights and freedoms partially returned. Big pharma will sell you fungicide in a drought and they have the data to prove 9 years out of 10 you’ll get a return on investment. The problem is, it’s not illegal to lie, and they’ve likely bribed their way through the federal regulation. 400 million doses for a country of 37 million… ok that makes perfect sense. Can we get disclosure of the vaccine contracts please?
1. Let’s remember that all of the current SARS-CoV-2 vaccines use the spike protein which was unknown as a coagulopathic agent at the time.
2. Given the enormous roll of ACE-2 both as the target of the spike, it’s roll in endothelial protection, and notable ACE-2 differences within the ABO types any study should note blood type, Rh status, (age, and gender) of all participants.
3. From study:“Four participants (participants #1, #6, #10, #13, Supplemental Figure S2, S7, S11, and S14), showed a delayed IgG-S1 and IgG-spike response, which did not increase until day 28 after the first injection.” Note this was then the 2nd injection. A significant delay of a significant percentage of the sample.
4. From Edwin Nirenberg. “In fact I would take it a step further and say we don’t need to know anything about the biology of a pharmaceutical to make judgments about whether or not it’s safe.” If they knew the spike and S1 proteins caused blood clots they NEVER would have used them (unless they are trying to kill us that is).
5. From Edwin Nirenberg “To date, the epidemiologic data on mRNA vaccines is exceptional and reassuring: anaphylaxis can occur but is rare and very treatable. Otherwise no events have produced safety signals in these vaccines to date, and outcomes in pregnant patients are reassuring.” Farcical !
6. From Edwin Nirenberg: “…despite a pharmacovigilance system sensitive enough to detect an adverse event reported in fewer than 1 per million doses, we are seeing no such problems with mRNA vaccines.” We know the system is not used properly. Despite this, blood clotting events are showing up as a major concern. Anaphylaxis is just a straw man.
7. The study proves that there is spike protein / fragment S1 present without evidence of sufficient immune response in 4 of 13 subjects. The spike and S1 protein can circulate unbound which is unanticipated. This is demonstrative of an environment where blood clotting and other inflammatory events can occur as a result of these “vaccines.”
“The spike and S1 protein can circulate unbound which is unanticipated.” This would also explain why there are so many cases of what Pfizer calls “false negative COVID” meaning people who develop severe COVID symptoms without a positive PCR test (or among those not tested) which refers to people who got COVID symptoms “before the vaccine could take effect” about seven days or so after the dose. If you examine the Pfizer application they had hundred of people out of their 40,000 or so participants who had this problem. CBC had a story about a couple who both ended up in the ICU seven days after getting their vaccine. This was attributed to them being exposed to the virus before the vaccine could work.
Massive 10-4 on that.
Haven’t read that document but your conclusion (based on my dumb a55 understanding of what the SARS-CoV-2 (RT) RNA PCR actually tests for…) would be correct.
Awesome article here explains a lot.
https://www.nist.gov/feature-stories/measuring-sensitivity-covid-tests-new-material-nist
Without having read it (Pfizer), I am thinking they must have confirmed antibody response specific to SARS-CoV-2 in patients with COVID-19 symptoms but were unable to get a PCR positive. (If they didn’t perform the serology that is the smoking gun on a coverup.) “1 of every 400,… severe symptoms.”
The PCR didn’t lie. They more than likely didn’t have SARS-CoV-2.
What do you want to call it? Spike protein disease?…Negligent homicide?
Sounds scary. I don’t know what t make of it, not my field. But I do understand vaccines traditionally work by giving you the disease. This is how I got vaccinated against all the “childhood” diseases myself. This treatment seems to be giving you the spike protein but you get that with all corona viruses.
I do wonder whether risk-benefit has been adequately assessed, after all the disease itself is pretty harmless for most people, like a bad flu. And there appears to be a lot of immunity already about.
It’s not like COVID is without long term bad effects in some percentage of its victims, that’s true. Something like one in a thousand *children* who get it end up with a long term inflammatory syndrome. We can’t go back to a planet where the ChiComs and Fauci didn’t cook up this commie brew.
“…but you get that with all corona viruses. “
Yes and no. SARS-CoV-2 has a “furin cleavage site” not seen in any other bat Corona viruses.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0166354220300528
These furin sites are recognizable from the Avian influenza (H5N1, H7N9) that has plagued China for decades.
With these “vaccines” you are not being exposed to an attenuated virus, or portion there of, your body is programmed to make it; in this case, the spike protein which is not fully understood. Across all of the “Vaccine” types coagulopathic events have occurred, as they do in bird flu.
I had an ultrasound of my legs due to a blood test that suggested a DVT (There wasn’t) and they found swollen lymph nodes in my groin. First question: “Did you have the vaccine and when.” It doesn’t seem that serious a complication, but I will talk to my doctor about it.
Nobody should be coerced into taking this vaccine. We can’t wipe out COVID. Excess deaths are over now, in the United States anyway. It’s time to take a deep breath and look at the results of the big experiment we just did. Incidentally, I always knew I was part of an experiment and accepted that willingly.
The problem for the vaccine manufacturers is that it’s grossly ineffective for the people who really need it. If it were only administered to these frail people, then this would be all too obvious, for example, the deaths of nursing home patients couldn’t be hidden.
As it is, the 99.9% of people who would have little problem with covid don’t have much problem with the vaccines either. These large numbers of people mask the true ill effects of these campaigns.
There is a group of Canadian Physicians fighting for the right to treat patients in accordance with the oath they took. We need to support these brave individuals. They are circulating a declaration for Physicians and Concerned citizens to sign. It is
“DECLARATION OF CANADIAN PHYSICIANS FOR SCIENCE AND TRUTH”
Here is the link.
https://canadianphysicians.org
Relevant article, just out, suggesting that natural immunity gained by Covid 19 patients is in fact long-lived:
“SARS-CoV-2 infection induces long-lived bone marrow plasma cells in humans”
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03647-4
“..Shut up and take the vaccine and quit being a stupid bad person they explain….”
Sounds like Every TV channel, Every Radio station and many of my family to boot….24/7 Ad freaking nausea. MASS 100% push to “vaccinate” so we can “get back to normal”.
I wont pretend to understand all the Bio-tech noise discussed above. I do know this.
Corona viruses have been with us since forever. It seems obvious to me that Humanity has survived the TRILLIONS of mutations since they first appeared and in my layman opinion, will continue to do so for the next 100 million years as well.
Who is at TRUE Risk here..???
Those over 80 yrs of age
Those who are obese – diabetic – heart disease and those in general poor physical health.
Seems to me those co-morbidities are applicable to any number of aggressive pathogens on the planet no.? Including INFLUENZA A & B..?? – Pneumonia.?? Yet we do not lockdown or lose our freaking minds over those issues.
So whats so special about this particular corona virus.? Not a Damned thing. Other than (Willful Criminal), potential gain of function which I’m not all that sure had any effect. Overall #’s of deaths and those who died is little different in 2020 than in 2019.
However the Massive FEAR Campaign for the past 14 months to ensure everyone takes an UNTESTED (that has 100% failed EVERY animal test to date), non vaccine sure has. 14,500 Deaths + some 425,000 Adverse reactions: blood clots, miscarriages etc would kinda point to that no…???
And I wont even comment on the negative effects of Lockdowns and enforced containment…suicides etc.
All one needs to do is look at the results of the 2 very large ships that were both fully quarantined last Mar/Apr. ~ 10,000 folks all in close quarters- ~ 679 “Tested Positive” using the PCR test at cycles higher than 28 with 14 folks dying on the Diamond Princess & 585 Tested Positive w/at least 1 death on the UN CVN71 that died. Should tell ya all you need to know. Do the math.
I’m 69, have not been sick for some17 yrs (regular vitamin intake – eat well and exercise), and will not participate in the utter idiocy of these non vaccines that are ONLY meant to REDUCE THE Symptoms….for a virus with a 99.47 survival rate. The more I read and hear continues to cement my opinion that it’s GARBAGE, TOTALLY Not NEEDED and very likely Designed to either kill or maim as such.
cheers…!!
“All one needs to do is look at the results of the 2 very large ships that were both fully quarantined last Mar/Apr. ~ 10,000 folks all in close quarters- ~ 679 “Tested Positive” using the PCR test at cycles higher than 28 with 14 folks dying on the Diamond Princess & 585 Tested Positive w/at least 1 death on the UN CVN71 that died. Should tell ya all you need to know. Do the math.”
Yeah I watched that and I did the math, and the number I came up with was 80%. That was (I believed) the percentage of the population that wasn’t susceptible to serious Covid.
It turns out I was off by one.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41590-020-00808-x.pdf
80%….
One would think that with a “DEADLY VIRULENT DISASTER OF A DISEASE.!!!”….the numbers of dead would have been in the Thousands with numbers of sick nearly all 10,000…NO?? All in close proximity eating in the same lunch rooms – restaurants…and only 15 died.
.0015% mortality rate.
BTW…..I’ve yet to see an EMERGENCY Hospital being set up anywhere..(aren’t Hospitals/ICU’s overwhelmed with COVID19.??)…more Pure BULLSHIT as our vaunted, useless, overly expensive, bloated with excess Management system has operated at 105+% capacity for decades. Nothing new there.
And nowhere in Canada is anyone even thinking let alone using Ivermectin or HCQ. THAT is IMO Willful CRIMINAL Negligence….and I truly hope we see some Nuremberg type Justice on that front.
These Govt-MSM bastards have lot’s of blood on their hands…
Meh..I need a stiff drink….adios Ed..!!
This is what often gets missed in the tangled weeds of discussion about covid and the covid vaccine. Those who die are overwhelming in the very upper age brackets. Next are those who have 2 to 3 comorbidities. Followed by those who are considered obese. If you fall into those categories then the vaccine might be a lifesaver. But for young, healthy adults and teens?
The counter argument for young healthy people taking the vaccine is 1) long haul covid and 2) herd immunity.
How can they know there will be long haul covid for a disease that’s about a year old? It may just be a longer recovery for some people for various reasons.
Is it ethical to subject young, healthy teens who have virtually a 100% recovery rate to an experimental vaccine that carries more risk to them than the disease? It’s not at all ethical in my opinion.
All three of my twenty something kids have received the vaccine. They are caving in to the media chatter of vaccine passports and choose to take the vaccine so they can travel or attend concerts etc.
The “marketing” for the vaccine is slicker than the science behind it.
Yes, the marketing pushes lots of buttons known in behavioral science research: guilt, social/peer pressure, fear, social obligation, social media praise for doing “the right thing, political threats of never getting economic and personal freedom back and even old fashioned bribery in the case of lotteries.
Just the (mis)use of these manipulative triggers to push an experimental vaccine for a disease that has got such a low ifr for all but a few demographics should send up all kinds of red flag warning signals.
Israel has already stopped domestic green vaccination passports. I suspect in a year or two that a lot of the covid restrictions on foreign and domestic travel will end because it was only used to coerce vaccinations.
No it is absolutely NOT ethical IMHO. There are two court cases in the USA right now about this. Viva Frei covers it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmZYYoN2uzo
The vaccines were approved for emergency use only because we were told that there was no effective treatment, because Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin were deliberately discredited.
“The vaccine research and approval last year was expedited. In the USA, Operation Warp Speed dumped approximately 20 billion last year, on top of untold billions researchers had already spent on this, and accelerated the “normally” slow and bureaucratic approval process from recruiting trial participants to having the regulatory bodies take their sweet time reading reams of writeups and data.”
Billions of dollars? They took billions of dollars. Billions!
Can’t have “slow” approval time, can’t have lost “sweet time.” Oh no.
Stick- em-up, give us the billions, now.
Hurry! People are dying.
They “dumped” Billions. Now. ‘Sweet time!” Billions of dollars. “Billions.”
I made the mistake of reading the editorial in a recent issue of Science. The editor-in-chief, the most arrogant and pompous prat to hold that job in the last 40 years, is giddy with delight that, once again, the “scientists” are in charge of handling the virus.
Trump and Pence? Oh, they were the bad guys because they appointed themselves as scientists. But the Vegetable-in-Chief Biden? Well, he knows how to listen to real “experts”, like he’s supposed to.
Sadly, what was one of the premier scientific and technical organizations of the world is now in the hands of pillocks like that EIC. And yet we, the supposed non-scientists (what? a Ph. D. in engineering doesn’t count with you lot?), are to listen intently to them and do so without question.
And, yes, it’s all about the power and the money.
You’d probably enjoy reading this then.
https://www.wired.com/story/the-teeny-tiny-scientific-screwup-that-helped-covid-kill/
I’m getting to the point where if I hear anyone say “listen to the science!”, I cup my hand to my ear and say “what’s that?”…”Oh, science just called and told me you’re a f***ing idiot.”
Love it Ed….lmao.!!
no question. Science. I call it DOGMA.
Had some goof that works for our condo give me grief cause i wasn’t wearing a mask inside the condo Hallways. I told him that REAL SCIENCE will tell you that no mask short of a HAZMAT suit will ever prevent ingress or egress of Sub Nanometer sized viral particulate.
His reply..?? I” don’t care about the Science – it’s the RULES.!!”
(Give that 35 yr old man his Jack Boots, black uniform and SS insignia.).
I said to him…”yea, that’s what another group of guys said at Nuremberg too – they were all hung on a hemp rope. But you go boy, carry on…!!”
CBC watcher pour certaine..!!
“And, yes, it’s all about the power and the money.”
Was wildly incoherently incoherent. Scammer was scamming. I treasure your insightful insightfulness. (I was p!ssed!)
And, yes, your replies in this thread are perfection.
Thanks for your comments.
What we’re seeing now, the pomposity, the arrogance, the outright belligerent contempt for the “unenlightened” displayed by scientists and academics has been disappointing and disturbing to me.
When I was an undergraduate in the 1970s, I admired and respected most of my professors, particularly those in my engineering discipline. (Yes, I encountered a few clunkers and they are best forgotten.) Back then, I knew I would go past my B. Sc. and thought that I might even become a professor myself.
What I saw shortly after I started grad studies changed much of that perception. I saw well-educated men completely out of touch with the rest of the world. I saw them fiercely arguing over petty matters in faculty meetings, and some of those “discussions” might have led to fistfights. (Those of us who weren’t involved simply sat back and enjoyed the show. “Hey, pass me another sandwich, will you? This is gonna get good.”)
I thought that what I saw there was isolated, but, as I found out several years later, it was an indication that it was widespread. Now, with the virus foofaraw, I’m convinced that it’s deeply ingrained in the system.
Learned people, academics, scientists, experts in their fields are making all sorts of pronouncements without really knowing what they’re talking about, with no regard to the consequences, and doing so as if they themselves are gods. What they say must not be questioned under any circumstances and those that do, do so at their own peril.
This is not what science or, more specifically, research was supposed to be about. Unfortunately, the reckless arrogance which is displayed is taken for face value by clueless politicians and, worse, public officials who themselves aren’t accountable to the voters. It has led to an over-reach in authority and has caused a great deal of damage, much of it which will never be repaired.
Sadly, those responsible will never pay for their sins, while profiting handsomely in terms of money and social status.
Well said. Karma will be their b!tch.