41 Replies to “Honey, I Finished The Internet”

  1. Proposition:

    Efforts organized on a global level (and funded with First World tax dollars) to vaccinate Third World populations against diseases that formerly kept populations in check were a catastrophic blunder that contributed greatly to overpopulation in the Third World, and in turn the First World’s present problem of uncontrolled immigration.

    Bring back compulsory vaccination of First Worlders against smallpox. Then bring smallpox out of retirement and let it reduce Africa’s population to a manageable size.

    1. “Will you decide what men shall live, what men shall die?
      It may be, that in the sight of Heaven, you are more worthless and less fit to live than [any of those] millions …
      Oh God! to hear the Insect on the leaf pronouncing on the too much life among his hungry brothers in the dust!”

    3. the unreal stoooopidity of ac’s post is record breaking.
      the PROBLEM dipshawitz, is turd world nations lacking that HOST of public health measures we westerners put in place starting 3 centuries ago, means *they* breed like rabbits in hopes enough brats survive to take care of them in their ‘old’ age.

      ’tis a vicious circle dat one. because each generation does the very same thing. thus populations exploding like pathogens in a petrie dish.

      the TURDoo’s counter strategy as we see is to bring them to Canadistan. replete with tropical diseases.

  3. http://www.earthbasedmedicine.com/blog/2015/1/23/why-im-not-afraid-of-measles?fbclid=IwAR2EDtvR_f_ox7WEO4hRgTB0se662M-fSfRCbU-FVTZJOtowvDXjxmFOulw

    Unfortunately, the well-meaning but oh-so-biased Department of Health and CDC are using the outbreak as an excuse to scare people into getting vaccinated, as well as to criticize those free-thinking and highly educated parents (like me) who have chosen not to vaccinate their children against measles. However, no matter what wild hippie-orgy pictures the media paint, you need to know that the CDC and vaccine producers acknowledge that the vaccine can have serious side effects, including brain swelling, mental retardation and death. That’s why parents have to sign the consent form before vaccination — you are signing away your right to sue the vaccine manufacturers in case of vaccine reaction. (In fact, if you’re getting the vaccine as an adult, and they don’t give you a consent form to sign or tell you the risks of getting the vaccine, they are violating federal law. Just a little FYI.)

    Here’s what you need to know: One doesn’t get measles because one has a vaccine deficiency.

    History tells us that measles is a disease of undernourishment, particularly deficiencies in vitamins A and C. As scientists isolated these nutrients in the early 1900s, and people became more aware of the effect of nutrition on infectious disease, measles death rates dropped significantly, down more than 98% in the US by the time the measles vaccine was licensed in 1963.

    At the same time, don’t believe when they say that anyone who has been vaccinated against measles is “perfectly safe” from getting the disease. This is also not true. Vaccination is less than 100% effective, even if everyone has been vaccinated. A 1984 “outbreak” of 21 measles cases in Illinois occurred in a “school population with a documented immunization level of 100%.” In fact, in this current outbreak, approximately 20% of the cases have come from people who were fully vaccinated, i.e., they received at least two shots. This goes against the current belief that being fully vaccinated confers immunity in 98%-100% of the population.

    http://www.dissolvingillusions.com/chapters/chapter-14/

    Before the general nutrition status of European children reached the high level it is today, measles infection was something to be feared . . . measles accounted for 11% of all deaths in Glasgow in the years 1807-1812. Case fatality rates were high. For example, during the years 1867-1872 in a Paris orphanage, the Hospice des Enfants Assistés, 612 of the 1256 (49%) children who developed measles died . . . During the last century, the burden of measles had dropped remarkably in Europe. In Glasgow, 14.2% of children younger than 5 years of age contracted measles in 1908 and had a mortality rate of 5.8%. Even in the absence of a vaccine, by 1960, notification of childhood measles in England and Wales was only 2.4% and mortality fell to 0.030%, which is 1/200th of the 1908 Glasgow mortality rate.

    1. So your suggesting that not only are the antivaxxers not protecting their children, they’re also not providing proper nutrition?

      1. English Comprehension not your strong point?

        As public hygene and the nutrition of children improved in England and Wales, cases of Measles grew more scarce, dropping to 2.4% by 1960., even without there being a Measles Vaccine.

        So, no, there is no implication that anti-vaxxers’ children are not receiving adequate nourishment.

        1. No, I comprehend quite well, thank you.

          But you seem to be having an issue with critical thinking. Or recognizing “tongue in cheek” sarcasm.

          1 – Hygene and nutrition improved = better health and stronger immune systems cut down case numbers and fatalities
          2 – Vaccines eradicated these diseases in North America
          3 – Antivaxxers expose their children to these diseases brought in by different paths where vaccines are not the norm.

          So if these children are properly nourished and in otherwise good health, why are they susceptible to the disease?

          I’m pushing the envelope on the argument, taking it to the outer limits. Not unlike antivax believers who will take a incident or report that has been spread on the web as gospel and use it in a debate, and then continue to believe even after the incident/study has been proven a lie.

          Another way to put this in perspective is: Believe the science of Global Warming, don’t believe the science on Health Care. Picking and choosing your science belief.

          (Note: Health Sciences say right up front that vaccines are not 100%, and there may be side effects. Same as any medication or supplement out there.)

          There is plenty of deep science investigation against the Global Warming fraud (lots available on this terrific blog site!), there is nothing of value against the effectiveness of vaccines.

          History does repeat itself in many ways: Children are still suffering and dying due to their parents.

          1. My apologies for having misinterpreted your sarcasm.

            I am in complete agreement with you over points 1, 2, and 3.
            My kids were vaccinated against everything they could be vaccinated against.
            We were prepared to take the risk of any and all side effects – for their sake.

            But I cannot accept that the State enforces this, where would it end?
            Big Nanny?

            However, the State can, and should, deny the unvaccinated access to State Schools.

        2. Fred, your comment “cases of measles grew more scarce” does not appear to be true. Cases of measles did not drop but death by measles dropped steadily until the early 1960s when both “cases” and “deaths” disappeared almost entirely due to vaccines.

          I can see death by measles dropping as health improves.

    2. I see many problems with your logic.

      #1. Measles is a disease of undernourishment. You confuse correlation with causation. Undernourished children are more likely to get measles and/or die precisely because they are undernourished. Their immune systems are weakened.

      #2. Measles infection dropped remarkably before vaccinations. Between 2001 and 2013 there was a dramatic rise in measles outbreaks in the UK. This coincided with a measurable drop in the vaccination rate. Are you suggesting that children in the UK suddenly became malnourished 10 years ago?

      #3. Vaccinations are risky. There is risk in everything. Not vaccinating your children exposes them to the risk of measles (and other diseases). Levels of mental retardation should have sky-rocketed with the introduction of vaccines. I would argue that people only became retarded with the introduction of the Internet.

      #4. The CDC was established in 1946 in Atlanta to eradicate malaria – a devastating disease that was very common in the area at the time. What happened? Malaria was eradicated within the entire USA. Measles was later eradicated as was polio. These devastating diseases are making a comeback because Internet cowboys such as yourself think you know the hidden secrets of the Web.

      1. I agree with all you say.

        Folks appear unaware of the degree of malnutrition in the UK at the start of the 20th century.
        (Rationing in WW2 is claimed to be the start of adequate nutrition among the working class. It certainly produced a generation of healthy, adequately fed children. Along with School Dinners.)

        But the current strain of Measles ain’t the same as Measles in the 1940s. I understood it to be more virulent. Certainly, I ensured that my kids got vaccinated against all that was going.

        However, although I do not agree with the Anti-Vaxxers, it is their decision to make.

        1. Fortunately, the School Boards that my children and my grandson attend(ed) do not agree that it is the parents choice.

          They have begun yet another round of suspensions for not having adequate vaccinations or records of vaccination.

          Public school is already a cesspool of germs and diseases, lets keep the worst ones out!

          1. No, children are the responsibility of their parents, not the state.

            The state is right to exclude the unvaccinated as being a danger to their peers, and to demand that the parents secure the education of those children excluded.

            E.G. UK Education Act 1996 (England and Wales)
            “The parent of every child of compulsory school age shall cause him to receive efficient full-time education suitable—
            (a) to his age, ability and aptitude, and
            (b) to any special educational needs he may have, either by regular attendance at school or otherwise.”

            (In UK legislation, the male embraces the female.)

            It was hard work for us (esp. the Missus), but successful.

    3. I will start this by saying that I do not think government mandated medical procedures are a good precedent to set but I will also say that anyone who thinks they know enough to choose not to vaccinate their child shouldn’t be voting.

      >you need to know that the CDC and vaccine producers acknowledge that the vaccine can have serious side effects, including brain swelling, mental retardation and death.

      Correct! Now, you need to do the math and decide if the risk of those side effects is greater than the risks associated with contracting the disease. Here’s a hint: It’s not.

      >Here’s what you need to know: One doesn’t get measles because one has a vaccine deficiency.

      Correct! One gets measles because they have been exposed to the measles virus and it has taken up residence in your body.

      >In fact, in this current outbreak, approximately 20% of the cases have come from people who were fully vaccinated, i.e., they received at least two shots. This goes against the current belief that being fully vaccinated confers immunity in 98%-100% of the population.

      Correct! Or at least somewhat correct. Especially with highly contagious airborne diseases like measles herd immunity is not going to be as good as it is for something like polio. Individual immunity through vaccination isn’t really the goal because, as you said, vaccinations are not 100% effective individually. If you can produce significant immunity such that the disease lacks hosts to spread it the people with imperfect immunity will hopefully never be exposes. Again, it’s math and we all know math is hard.

      > mortality fell to 0.030%, which is 1/200th of the 1908 Glasgow mortality rate.

      Math, damn it’s hard! So 0.03% is 3 in 10,000. The CDC reports in 1963 that more than 500,000 measles cases were reported but that there were actually 3 to 4 million cases each year due to under-reporting what was then a common childhood disease. They cite an average of 495 deaths per year. That’s a pretty low death rate, admittedly, but still let’s compare that to the risk of serious side effects from MMR vaccination. Seizure: 1 in 1100 to 1 in 3000 Anaphylaxis: 1 in 100,000 Thrombocytopenia: 1 in 30,000 I should note that none of those is risk of death. In fact, each of those serious side effects are treatable and generally benign with treatment. To summarize, you are more afraid of rare, benign side effects than you are of less rare death due to measles. Your math illiteracy will kill a child, unfortunately it likely won’t be yours.

  6. Kate’s sub heading is right. Some, through their ignorance and believing snake oil salesmen, want to go back to a hundred years ago when a third of children never reached adulthood.

    1. Ken, I will suggest that this has a lot to do with the left’s desire for population reduction.

      1. I think it has more to do with some low IQ parents believing that home-schooling is superior.

        1. We Home Schooled through to 16, our kids then attended 6th Form College to gain University Entrance and graduated.

          Two of our graduates were diagnosed as dyslexic.
          (We wanted a formal diagnosis before they entered College.)
          “Who taught them to read?”, asked the Doc.
          “I did.”, said the Missus.
          “YOU did?”, said he. Total disbelief.

          What our IQs are, we couldn’t say.
          I left school at 15, she at 16.

          1. Fred. For the record I was joking. Low IQ parents believing that home-schooling is superior. In other words morons who think they can do a better job of teaching their kids than the public school system – which is getting closer to the truth than many would admit.

            Meanwhile, homeless people are contracting typhus because they walk in their own poop…

            https://www.nbclosangeles.com/investigations/Typhus-Epidemic-Worsens-in-Los-Angeles-505166301.html

            and measles outbreaks because parents are not vaccinating their children, concerned that vaccines cause autism and other afflictions…

            https://www.apnews.com/8833041f168c40438a711728f9b857f5

            My wife is dyslexic. She can read a 600 page book in 4 hours. But she can’t tell the difference between then and than or were and where. I can. And I can read a 600 page book in 4 days.

        2. Yes, we encountered a few couples who really should not have undertaken Home Education by themselves. Our Home Education organisation provided advice and local contacts, but not tuition.

          The UK Education Act requires parents to provide an education appropriate to their child’s age, aptitude, and ability. (Generally this is satisfied by school attendance.) An Education Authority inspector visits Home Educators regularly, to ensure that this is the case.

          Congrats to your Missus! I am envious.

  7. What’s all the kerfuffle about measles? When I was growing up in the 50s and 60s in Alberta, everyone was expected to get measles and mumps. I don’t recall anyone in my school class dying from measles.

    1. As a child of the 1950’s who … despite multiple warnings … picked a scab from one of the measles pustules on his forehead … I went through most of my life disfigured by the measles (the mark is barely visible now). However, as a healthy child I survived the COMMONPLACE disease with no other ill effect.

      And, yes, I vaccinated my own children. Because I “believe” in Western medicine and … science

        1. Oops … I may have conflated my measles with chickenpox. I believe it was the chickenpox. So young, so many diseases … thankfully however … I got the POLIO vaccination BEFORE I contracted POLIO. Anti-vax is anti-intelligent.

    3. @Lone Ranger
      What you say is exactly what I was thinking( being a baby boomer growing up in the 50’s and 60’s.)

    4. Same here. Me and all of my siblings got measles and mumps. We all survived and never heard of any friends or classmates that suffered (or enjoyed) anything more than a few days off school. I was kind of surprised when a vaccine was developed but got my children vaccinated anyway and don’t regret doing it. That said, when vaccinations were developed and produced in the then-normal west, I trusted them. Now we don’t know who the hell is involved in the process. Maybe that’s just paranoia from hearing all the talk of germ and chemical warfare I heard growing up in those days.

    6. I distinctly recall my mother HOPING I would contract; measles, chicken pox, and mumps as soon as my classmates, or neighbors contracted the diseases. Wanting to get it out of the way when I was young. I seem to recall being told these were all much WORSE for adults than for children

  8. Anti Vax = Anti Science = Morons…in my Deplorable opinion.

    I’m not sure if I ever was vaccinated as a child for measles, surely for Mumps, Polio, TB etc. However while in the Military (Cornwallis – Basic), in the very Early 70’s was given vaccinations for about 35 different things….and suffered no consequence other than a sore arm from being forced to march immediately threafter.

    Both my 2 now adult Girls were vaccinated for all things at the time in the Early 90’s…and again in 2007-2008 for papillomavirus (HPV).

    The internet has been a wonderful thing for the most part…as long as one is capable of filtering out the abject STUPID from time to time.

  9. Just wait until polio makes a comeback – I predict that public opinion will really turn against anti-vaxxers. Polio was eradicated in Canada thanks to vaccines, but it’s still prevalent in third-world countries, particularly Nigeria, Pakistan and Afghanistan. With continuing immigration from those countries, I predict it’s only a matter of time before it returns here. BTW, one in two hundred people who get it will suffer life-long paralysis. (if they survive).

    1. I agree. Locally here, a neighbour friend, about 66 years old, grain farmed all his life until recently, and a few other people in the community had polio in their youth. All had lasting ill effects, with some worse than others. One has been in a wheel chair for decades.

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