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One thing that’s in Bernier’s favour is that he’s actively making himself known, such as through YouTube programs like this. On the other hand, there’s scarely a peep from Scheep.
Just like Trump. DJT knew he had no chance of getting his message out via MSM, so he went via tweets, etc. I may not like everything he tweets, but I understand why he has to do an end run around the MSM to speak to the people.
Max knows he has to do the same – social media allows him to bypass the MSM.
Campaigning for another 5 years of Trudeau, although he doesn’t explicitly state it.
Dave Rubin has to produce interesting content, 2% Scheer would be hard to make interesting.
Strange to see this posted as I just watched Pt 2 this afternoon. Two great minds and all that.
I didn’t vote for Scheer and have no idea how the candidate I did vote for would do against Trudeau. Maybe no better. What about your choice, all of you who continue to complain about Scheer?
It’s too late to change our votes, but I can see Bernier would have been the correct choice. But, with me, shallow as I am, I thought “Do we need one more Quebecker as P.M.?
Now, I’d take him even tho’ he is from Que. , and even tho’ I have to really listen to understand his Fr. accent.
Not only does he talk, unlike the 2% Scheep, he talks sense.
I agree.
When will Scheer or Max call out the government crooks on the fraud of globull warming. Turns out none of the DATA being used for the last 25 years by the UN IPCC and all the Governments who have been spending Billions on this Fraud and the CARBON TAX SCAM none of the DATA has been audited in 25 years. Here is the audit from an Aussie Researcher. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2…1zHT3y8gL4n0kY
Max basically did that in this video.
The UN is demanding 2 Trillion per year to fight Globull warming, pretty much all from the western democracies. Yet none of our so called leaders have done an audit on the UN research. Our governments have spent 100’s pf Billions of tax dollars on this already and never done any homework on the subject. They must be drooling at the thought of the Billions they can siphon off from the Trillions as it passes through all those hands on it way down the drain to Green Global Communism. Biggest Fraud in the history of civilization.
Not EVER Another Quebecker, that was my exact thoughts a couple of years ago, but if Canada is to be saved, it will have to be this Quebecker. I fear we are doomed, but we have to try. In order for Western Independence to succeed, there will have to be so much pain and suffering, it would be more than anyone should care to see.
We are nowhere near the level of desperation of 1983 (NEP) and that barely got the separation needle moving. There will have to be literal “blood in the streets” before any type of independence can occur. No real Nation has ever come into existence without blood being shed in their own Country.
Too many socialists and eastern imports for Alberta to secede. I’m not looking forward to the provincial election. Alberta Conservatives have a solid choice between a jilted crook or a bilderberg Muslim loving elite. Yay.
Part 2 is excellent.
In both his analysis and in the contrast between him and Trudeau, Bernier appeals to a sane person.
Your last comment reminds me of a story I heard about Adlai Stevenson. During one of his presidential campaigns, he gave a speech in a certain city, and, afterwards a woman came up to him. She said something like, “Oh, Mr. Stevenson, if every intelligent American heard your speech, they would vote for you.”
“Thank you very much, madame, but I do need a majority to win.”
Next time Maxime should ware black sox. The multi coloured ones distract from the conversation. (Hope that was not the intent).
I didn’t notice his socks at all. I was too busy listening to what they were talking about.
I suspect there were just enough Conservatives who voted for Scheer because Max was from Quebec which is the wrong way to make choices. Max may be from Quebec but he is unabashedly a Conservative, the vote was so close which means there are still Conservatives who will vote for him which is the wrong way to go if we want to get rid of the mess we have with this Liberal Cabal.
I prefer Max but he cannot beat Trudeau. I prefer Scheer over Trudeau, that’s where we need to focus, we need to correct the mistakes made by wrong thinking Conservatives when they chose Scheer over Bernier otherwise Liberals win.
Liz, as a card carrying conservative for decades and a very disappointed one at that, I will vote for a candidate from the PPC if there is one in our riding. I also have sent some modest financial support to Max and now the party. Canada needs a serious kick in the ass to get things back on track, we are going broke and giving our society, culture, and society away and conservatives have done nothing to stop it.
I agree but kicking our own asses is what Conservatives need to stop doing. I too am disappointed in our choice for leader but I cannot vote for the Liberal Cabal, I will suck it up, hold my nose for the sake of the country. We need to smarten up, Liberals are Liberals, they would never divide themselves, we could take a few pointers from them in that regard, they know how to win.
Canada is a laughing stock with the clown we have up front as PM, we made a big mistake, if we elect that again we will prove we are really one stupid lot.
Please don’t split the conservative vote by voting for Scheer. It will ensure a Trudeau win.
Okay
If you vote for Scheer, you are splitting the vote, simple as that. I prefer someone with conviction of his morals. MaX has that in spades, GO MAX GO.
Max is the one splitting the vote. He had a chance to be leader, he lost.
“….we need to correct the mistakes made by wrong thinking Conservatives when they chose Scheer over Bernier otherwise Liberals win.”
You can’t correct a mistake by supporting it.
This is not your average mistake, this is politics, it can affect a whole country. You can play smart or the alternative, we have choices and in this case we all have to live with them. If what I’m seeing here is any indication of the majority of Conservatives, the Liberal cabal doesn’t need to worry, they have it.
I would love to punish the Conservatives for supreme stupidity but not at the price of punishing the country.
If a smiling Oaf being returned as the Liberal front man is what Conservatives want for revenge, they deserve what they get, another four years to embed socialism in the land of “Peoplekind”.
Liz – the thing is Andrew wouldn’t win even if he had not made it impossible for Benier to stay in the party. The only reason Scheer isn’t being relentlessly attacked by the media is the NDP even weaker than Scheer and Max is damaging .
“They (Liberals, Conservatives, NDP) try to please……maybe the media?”
“We must cut the CBC”
“I don’t believe in the Paris Accord.”
“I don’t try to please the media.”
“If there’s a journalist that does that, (says something not factual) I will fight him.”
“I’m doing that (fighting for free speech) for Canada”
A question: so why would anyone, with a head on his/her shoulders and a concern for this Country pause for one second to consider Scheer?
Um, because Scheer will get 80% of the conservative vote simply because he’s the official leader of the Conservatives, and therefore the official opposite of Trudeau? It took the Reform party 3 elections to surpass the PCs.
Meanwhile the sad excuse for a media will continue to give max a platform as it will ensure the Clown Prince stays put .
Of course, they love Max, he’s working for the Liberals, they will benefit. It’s not the way to bolster your ego and profess to care about the country. That’s where I became disappointed with Max, my first choice for leader.
Bottom line in all this, Conservatives have to stop running scared and veering left, they need to be true to their brand and raise their flag high. We are now a divided party, a recipe for failure, only we can change that.
Just some idle speculation: What would happen If all the people who say they prefer Max but are going to vote for Scheer-the-steer actually voted for Max?
Scheer’s Conservatives ARE true to their brand…the brand is cowardice, equivocation, fear of the media, and political correctness.
Bingo!!!!
Don’t split the conservative vote…..vote Max.
Do you Scheer supporters hear yourselves echoing the Never-Trumpers in the states?
“Don’t make Trump the GOP candidate….. doing so will guarantee a win for Hillary…” That is what they said. Dammit…. that is what I said. I was wrong!
If the GOP had gone for a milquetoast candidate to appease the media/academic/liberal cabal, they would have LOST. Even if they had won.
They did it. Trump did it. Brexit did it. Bolsonara did it. The Yellow Vests in France are fighting for it.
Yes, the media was and is tossing the “far-right” tags around. And all those other people WON!
Good comment.
If that happened, you’d get a split of the conservative vote and a Trudeau victory. Exactly what we’re going to get anyway, because there are enough obtuse fools in this country willing to cut off their nose to spite their face. I don’t know if Max is getting secret cash payments from the Liberals, but he should be, because he’s doing more to help them win than they’re doing themselves.
“I don’t know if Max is getting secret cash payments from the Liberals, ”
Jesus. If anyone is getting a Liberal cheque, it’s Scheer-the-steer. Just give your head a shake and listen to what he doesn’t say.
LizJ,” stop running scared and veering left” . Name any program more left than the Dairy Board, it is something right out of North Korea and it is approved by the supposed conservatives. It’s your Conservative party that is wrong, not us.
The CPC is pushing their split the vote, elect Trudeau narrative, because they are scared and desperate, like the liberals and will do anything to cling onto power. I see no appreciable difference in policies and substance between Trudeau & Scheer. They are lock step in sync with dairy cartel, paris accord, and m-103, just to name a couple.
Maxime Bernier & the PPC platform puts Canada and all Canadians first. Take a moment, read their platform, become informed and vote.
Let’s say as Conservatives we are between the proverbial rock and hard place this election year. We are damned either way, we need to decide what is more tolerable, the clown prince or whatshisname. For me it’s not close to tolerable to watch smiling Liberals win with such a pathetic leader and slate of incompetents, including some who don’t know when to hang it up.
The NDP are an example of a failed party and what/who is to blame for that? Who chose the leader? Are we in the same box? Close, but we can never draw NDP votes, they go to their Socialist cousins, the Liberals.
Scheer is our leader, we slay him and we are at the mercy of another four years for the Liberal cabal to take care of every facet of our lives the socialist way.
Love y’all but I can only kill one vote!
2% Scheer is the CPC leader. There is a difference between conservatives and CPC. Being CPC leader does not make one the leader of conservatives.
One of the problems with the CPC is that they gear it to incumbent at the both the top and the riding: if you win, no review. If 2% Scheer actually became PM then he’d be untouchable. Harper was last approved as CPC leader in 2005 without any membership review thereafter and no say of the membership until 2017 after he had quit. If 2% Scheer wins in 2019 (majority or minority), likely stuck with him for at least 15 years until he is replaced by a Liberal government and so no change in direction for at least more 20 years.
Liberal / Tory same old story for another generation?
2% Scheer might be a little less crap in your sandwich now but it will still by a generation of crap sandwiches.
Vote for the most conservative person in your riding who has a chance of winning his seat and hope for a parliament that will act like a parliament.
I will not vote for the Pillsbury Doughboy. I’m voting for Max. And if you accuse me of splitting the vote, tough. I can accuse you of the same thing. If there are two conservative parties then I’ll vote for the most conservative one, not the pretender.
Scheer has absolutely no aura, no charisma. If he had charisma people would know who he is. I dare you to ask people “Who is Trudeau? Love him or hate him, they’ll know the answer. Now ask “Who is Andrew Scheer?” It’ll be another case of “Who’s Joe Clark?” This, after three years of party leadership.
It was CPC supporters of the Milk cartel that got Scheer elected as party leader. Max only lost the leadership by one percent. Then Scheer and his ilk torpedoed Max. He was punted to the rear. Those are Liberal tactics.
Max talks to everybody including Rebel Media. Scheer turned his back on Rebel and barred them from the CPC convention in Halifax. That’s because Scheer is an Elitist. He talks to CBC believing they’ll be nice. This is the dirty game of politics and people there aren’t nice. Max stands up to the media. Scheer gives them an insipid smile.
Dave Rubin did an hour interview with Max in two parts. Do you think that will happen with Scheer? Not likely.
I don’t want the Milk Cartel running this country; I don’t want the anti oil cartel running this country; I don’t want the CBC, CTV (Bell Canada) and Global running this country; I don’t want the UN running this country; I don’t want Globalists running this country. I don’t want people walking across the border unimpeded. And neither does Max!
Hear, Hear.
The only thing in the world that is 100% my choice is to whether debase myself or to hold true to principle. Bernier is the only federal politician since Reform that bats around 80-90% of my preferred policy…and he’s shifting away from the Chinese so he’s closing that gap.
I’m not letting the opportunity to vote for and support him pass by.
Better get out there and recruit ! Up to this point Max has no candidate in my riding but my Conservative MP is a true Conservative, wins by huge margins.
Well ghost of ed, remember Kate’s line, pleasing your enemies does not make them your friends. The Milk Cartel will vote Liberal. Just like Ed Stelmach, he never got the teacher vote come time for the real election.
Apparently some thought Trudeau had charisma, not for me, I am more discerning. I realize it is an attribute in politics but looking beyond that is key to getting good government. Snake oil salesmen had it too.
I will listen and keep watch as the campaign goes along, strange things happen in politics. I don’t know how well Max will do in Quebec, you can never predict how Quebec will vote. To use a variance on a Trudeau quote…they can turn on a dime.
I do hope Conservative operatives are reading this site, they will acquire invaluable information.
Scheer got elected by a good number of supply management producers (could have been liberals, ndp or anyone, it was very easy to do, all done online) buying a conservative membership and then voting in the leadership race for anyone other than Max.
We’re all being played for fools. Those who own the politicians are ensuring a Liberal victory by having the vote on the fake-right split. And no matter who wins, we’ll have yet another Roman Catholic PM, whose ultimate allegiance is not to Canadians, but to the Vatican. And they’ll take their marching orders from the Vatican-controlled UN.
Ever wonder why the Liberals never have two members splitting their vote?
I voted for Maxime. I have had several conversations with him over the years. But he lost fair and square.
And I will be voting CPC
The people on this thread who voted for Maxime and now say they will desert the cpc are no different than Republicans/conservatives who refuse to vote for trump.
The conservative MP in my riding, will not respond to any of my emails, and has been virtually mia since being elected. Ignoring the electorate seems to be her reelection platform thus far and frankly seems to be the Scheer approach as well. I am deserting the cpc because they are out of touch, have a weak leader and little to no plan to change course from what Trudeau is doing. Canada needs a Trump type leader, biggly and Bernier is the only choice.
And he has no chance or winning. So you put the fate of the country in other peoples hands.
And do please tell us who your MP is so she can be held to account.
Just like Trump had no chance of winning?
If trump had gone independent he would have lost.
You’ve said it exactly right Gord. Maxime lost the leadership. If he’s a true conservative, he works his ass off to ensure his party wins. He can challenge the leader on issues from within the party. He can challenge the leader at a leadership convention. Quitting and starting a new party? That ONLY helps the Liberals retain power.
“I do hope Conservative operatives are reading this site, they will acquire invaluable information.”
They are indeed, Liz. Why, at this very moment the little poli-sci grads in their elf suits are telling Dear Leader Scheer that there is a segment of angry, racist deplorables out there and that he should have nothing to do with us.
Jamie beat me to it Andrew will turtle at the mention of the Alt- right, populist, the usual labels, and lets not forget the open Orwellese that I find telling.
So why would I vote for a conservative that won’t hit the brakes hard and give it right back to the Liberals (globalists) ?
Life as we know it as Canadians is about to change in the next twenty or so years maybe sooner, culturally.
Andrew doesn’t seem to get it, Max seems too and I think he knows how to handle shiny pony, and remind Canadians just how great our values are and how this country was built.
I don’t think Andrew could fight his way out of a wet paper bag, and there needs to be a fight.
How many years have we all been coming here ,and who thought suddenly we’d have a panel telling us whats fake or real during an election so openly dishonest and yes it will be worse if they get a majority again. It’s a battle we have always been fighting and losing over time, and having Andrew in won’t gain any ground but just delay the inevitable.
Well here we are, the Liberals are morphing into the “leaders” they always wanted to be and to fight it we are supposed to stick together and vote for the chubby faced kid that can’t read the country and it’s citizens who want what they had most of their life preserved for their kids,.
Something that should be easy to sell to Canadians especially after Trudeau’s insanity from day one.
Watto is right.
We are being played for fools.
Which we constantly confirm.
60% of Canada votes “Gimmee,gimmee gimmee.”
There is no Conservative Party,Max’s Party is the nearest thing.
The CPC and The Liberals are inter-changible,consisting of the Canadian Kleptocracy party,Uni-Party for short.
These people are the blind worms gnawing at the foundations of civilization.
Under their watch Canada has cast aside almost every instrument of civil society,the common rules that allow humans to live together as peacefully as possible and to build and prosper.
I care not who governs in Ottawa,the confederation will continue to burn the West and continue to create a future where our children will face poverty,famine and war.With no choice nor voice to stop the madness.
Who of the Uni-Party trivoka have you heard say;”Stop the stealing”?
We have 338 elected parasites,name one who expresses real concern that taxes now exceed a families costs of living?
Name one who realizes there is only one taxpayer.
That businesses do not pay tax,their customers do.
Nothing is going to change.
Harper’s crew feathered the brakes after decades of Chretin’s steady acceleration, now Justine’s crew is foot to the floor spending again.
There is no law or order in this country,just endless legislation and regulation.
Who will shrink the bureaucratic overload from the taxpayer?
338 and counting.
I am; Too The Maxx, this coming election.
As the West must become independent of the slow train wreck that is confederation.
A second term of Trudeau Two,the totally clueless will clinch the deal.
Faster harder,Canada votes.
I like Max, I really do. His outlook is more in line with my thinking than any of the others.
Unfortunately he and his Party remind me of Nigel Farage and UKIP. A really popular leader with all the right ideas, but backed up by a bunch of no-hopers and radicals. Despite all the apparent support for UKIP as seen on sites like Breitbart, they have been unable to elect a single MP. Farage came close, and I suspect there was skulduggery going on there. I fear the same fate will await Max.
The Federal Conservatives seem to be mirroring the Ontario party. They hire weak and unimpressive leaders (John Tory, and, er um, what’s his name again??) until finally they smarten up and hire Douggie.
Scheer needs a Patrick Brown moment, and then the CPC can drag Max in from the cold at the last minute and knock the shine off the pony. Won’t happen, of course – sadly.
er, um, that’s be one-hit-wonder tim hudak the chipmunk.
got caught getting advice whispered in his chipmunk ear from hard right wing ‘mercun stink tanks.
who apparently avoided addressing the fact that Canadistan’s tax structure, social support systems, edjukayshun cystem, employment regulations, health care, etc up the wazoo was DIFFERENT than south of the 49th. no matter . . . . .
do the Max supporters say we have to put up with another in a looooong line of kaybek PMs in order to get rid of the present one?
no thanks.
you need to take a deep breath, hold yer nose for 4 years and vote for andy 2%. THAT is the reality of politics esp Cdn version.
I blame all this on harper the control freak bully for necessitating the above tactic to dump him.
otoh, voting for MAx is definitely looooong term strategy, which has merit. all depends on the time frame. a lot can happen in between.
does he still hang around that biker chick?
“you need to take a deep breath, hold yer nose for 4 years and vote for andy 2%”
You know what? Despite the fact that I’ve been holding my nose and voting “Conservative” for more than 40 years, my olfactory senses are getting better and better – I can now sniff out gutless phonies like Tory, Scheer, Brown, Kenney from miles away.
So I decided a few years back that I would stay home before I’d ever again vote for a gutless putz who would do anything, say anything to get power. Hence, my support for Max.
Principles. You either have ’em, or you don’t.
If you won’t support someone because they’re from Quebec then you’re an idiot who deserves more Trudeau.
And no one has to vote for anybody. Eat salt.
All the arguments in favour of Sheer are ignoring the fact that after 4 years of the worst PM in my lifetime he is behind in the polls. That seems unthinkable to me.
Mr Bernier has a vision for this country that I can truly get behind and support, Sheer and the CPC sound like Liberal lite. They may be better than sock boy if they can win but I don’t believe they can. Whereas I believe Max has a damned good chance of winning Quebec and the rest of the country.
visions don’t win elections.
what are you smoking? The only relevant measuring stick is Trudeau’s approval rating, which currently stands at 58% disapprove to 35% approve. He doesn’t have the numbers to win an election. His only path to victory is a split Conservative vote. Unless the NDP have an extremely strong campaign, Max is on track to get Trudeau reelected.
@Pete, If a party’s vision/platform doesn’t win elections, what does? Watch the video if you haven’t, I really like his platform. Tell me you wouldn’t rather that than Sheer and the CPC. If that’s the case then Sheer’s your man, if not then why are we settling?
I’m using this polling aggregate: https://preview.tinyurl.com/yd3llzmv It was the most current I could find, although I hate linking the CBC.
jack, it doesn’t matter if I’d rather have him or Scheer. Scheer won the nomination, so he’ll get more votes than Max in the general. The only thing Max can win is another Trudeau government. It’s the way it is. The only party that has a chance of beating the Liberals is the Conservatives. And Max is potentially ruining that.
Naming your organization the “People’s Party” is a political boat anchor.
Joe average voter will look at it and assume it’s some kind of wingnut Communist party.
If Max can’t even come up with a winning name his politics are irrelevant and he will accomplish nothing except for a little vote splitting.
But I guess the few who vote for him wouldn’t have voted Conservative anyhow so in the end it doesn’t make any difference
“Joe average voter will look at it and assume it’s some kind of wingnut Communist party.”
Sure. That’ll happen. I mean, it’s all over social media that Max is a commie, right?
Jesus.
I met Bernier during the CPC Leadership race in Vancouver. He definitely impressed me and so I voted for him. The CPC cast him out to force him to form the People’s Party. Just recently the People’s Party became official with Elections Canada and donations would qualify for the income tax credit. Bernier got over $200,000 in donations the first weekend.
I think Scheer and Trudeau will split the liberal vote in Canada giving Max a strong majority government.