It’s the Star, so proceed accordingly.
The extradition dilemma now facing Trudeau and his government is suddenly more complicated. It raises questions of law, politics, international trade and security.
It is fraught with geopolitical tension.
That’s because the fate of two Canadian citizens detained this week in China could depend on whether Ottawa hands the Huawei executive over to the U.S. justice system. Former Canadian diplomat Michael Kovrig and Canadian businessman Michael Spavor could languish in jail for years awaiting legal processes because China’s foreign ministry has levelled grave accusations against them of harming state security.
No Americans have been detained in the wake of the U.S. request to extradite Meng, as far as anyone knows.
“They go after who they think might be vulnerable,” said Cotler.
See if you can spot the stunning hypocrisy that arises later in the piece.
Related: ‘We’ve never been this alone’
(h/t Joseph)
Star.
Hypocrisy.
Do you mean that same Star that grovelled for and got public funds to keep its obsolete, floundering ship afloat yet criticizes the oil sands as an unsustainable anachronism?
That Star?
Oh you mean the Toronto Star where the retired executive for the Star got a cushy diplomatic job in Chicago, as a reward for the Star being the mouthpiece of the Liberal Party. That Toronto Star.
I used to work for one Nathan Laurie, at the Conference Board of Canada in the late 1970’s. Nathan then went on to work in PierreTrudeau’s PMO, from 1980 to 1984. When Brian Mulroney won in 1984 Nathan Laurie, as a strong Liberal, lost his job at the PMO. But the Star quickly offered Laurie a job as chief economic editor at the Star. The Star is not only pro-Liberal, it also works as a patronage agency for unemployed senior Liberals.
Has the Toronto Star blamed Doug Ford yet?
I don’t read their shite…
Don’t care what The Star says ever, Fake News…
So that’s it. If the Chinese murder two Canadians the minute they get their princess back (making up a story about how they suddenly died or committed suicide in their cells), it will be all Trump’s fault because it was he who made a mockery of the rule of law and is ignorant of common decency, not the Chinese.
At least, that’s the narrative agreed on by Global Affairs and the MSM. Everything is the fault of Trump and the Jew-Bolsheviks who live in Chrystia Freeland’s head.
The princess will be home for Chinese New Year. Kovrig and Spavor will never see Canada again.
Justin other day in “Bongwhisperer Land”….
Fyi
Apparently she and her hubby have a couple of swanky digs in Vancouver they own.
Sounds like the only diff between them and rest of the land owners in that locale is she hasn’t been granted dual citizenship….. yet.
only a bit of an attempt at damage control. Election winds are in the air you know!!
I suspect they’ll be going with the captain Canada campaign again in 2019.
The bottom line is it’s bongo’s fault. He’s the guy who poisoned the relationship with the US. He’s the guy that poisoned the special relationship the libranos ( trudeau personally) had with the chicoms.
That is exactly what happened. Having a pretend boy trying to do a man people’s job.
BINGO. Geez, even the Nat Post had an (_i_)kissing piece on Trudeau on this issue. I see the 595Million is starting to have its effect.
Anyone expecting the US to stand behind us is beyond deluded. Ya simply dont go shitting all over a US President publicly and behind his back. Nor do ya go around spouting off on the wonderful merrits of “Chinese Basic Dictatorships” or that “Castro was a pretty good guy” as a means of creating-maintaining good realtions with the # 1 Democracy on the planet..!!
As for Huawei … Anything the CBC endorses is something I would avoid like the plague.
That Justin is an IMBECILE is not not up for debate.
Not ready..?? An understatement.
As for the star…I’d only use it wipe my “STAR”.
The West play by the rules of ‘Ockey.
The Chinese, Russian Roulette.
They play for keeps and have no problem in execution and torture. Trump is the wild card whom they fear. Good to see
If your name is Michael and you live in China or are travelling in China you may want to get out now.
BTW, we don’t have a good relationship with china forged by turdeau. We are the victim in an abusive relationship with chinaa. Turdeau is an enabler, if not downright oppressive sidekick.
Don’t expect any help from turdeau on this. He wouldn’t know what to do, doesn’t care about these guys, and actually supports how china gets things done.
Get out of china, get out now.
There’s an interesting column in the G&M this morning, ”A wiser government would have warned Meng Wanzhou to stay away”. The author states that Junior has admitted he knew about the extradition request several days before Ms. Wanzhou even boarded the plane to Canada, and he could and should have discreetly warned the Chinese, thus avoiding the whole mess Canada is now facing.
@Montrealaise
And if it was found out he did that, he would be roundly crapped on for doing so.
And rightly so.
So, Michael Spavor is a commie sycophant and bumboy to Kim Jong Un. Keep him.
So, Michael Kovrig is a Soros funded “conflict expert” and “global citizen” who was also stupid enough to post anti-Huawei material online and then go to China. Keep him.
Problem solved.
Yes.
Agreed….no loss whatsoever.
a big hearty welcome and thank you to SDA’s very own problem solver.
trudeau makes it so easy eh?
This incident exposes to public view the fascinating world of these shadowy foundations and NGOs. According to its website “International Crisis Group”* employs 110 people. A high proportion of them are “directors” and “senior” this and that. They are all over the world, and they all appear to be the sort of global elitist who enjoys a glittering, rarefied lifestyle. $$$
This is how ICG describes its ‘work’: “We work with heads of government, policymakers, media, civil society, and conflict actors themselves to sound the alarm of impending conflict and to open paths to peace.”
Hmmm….this value proposition sounds like it’s got a very pricey cost structure — and naturally no paying customers. Which means Joe-taxpayer is funding it indirectly through deep-state front groups like Soros and the Clinton Global Initiative.
It would be interesting if employees of the fed Can. gov’t had to wait for a decent interval and put themselves into a registry as political lobbyists do before working for these front groups. I read somewhere that this Kovrig character is “on leave” from Ottawa, not permanently separated. That sounds about right for a deep state spy-parasite.
All the mincing and prancing of the deep state operators is paid for (ultimately) by the productive people.
*International Crisis Group just reeks of nefariousness like the “Parallax Corporation” in Warren Beatty’s old movie about deep state political assassins…ha!
Exactly. Those two organizations make the 15th century Italian Borgia family look Sunday School teachers.
Who gives a shit about either of them? They aren’t the problem. PM Dummy and the Never Ready Brown Stars are the issue. Everything they touch turns to shit. The fat idiot minister could have had that ugly princess over the border in 60 minutes. This country has become a joke and the only ones who don’t see it as such are the above mentioned, the MSM and millions of deluded Canadians.
You got that straight Buddy…Good ONE.!
I’m sure said deluded are at least 75% of the population…in effect – the matrix.
Semi retired. Well said
Yes, Trump is acting exactly as expected. Canada won’t back the US on anything, won’t come up to it’s NATO spending commitments, won’t negotiate in good faith on anything, … As an ally, Canada has demonstrated that it has no value militarily, economically, politically, morally, …. Heck, we did not even stop laundering Chinese steel till like 2 years after tariffs started.
All Canada has done, at all levels, is waste time saying “orange man bad”. The govt, the papers, the TVs, the radios, … Why would Canada expect anything from the US.
The first province in Canada to simply break ranks, throw the dairy cartel out, throw out interprovincial trade (which has never existed regardless), and sign a unilateral trade deal with the US will be in the catbird’s seat for the next century. But no one is going to do that; because virtue signalling your province into economic oblivion by standing with Trudeau is seen as the winning strategy. For whatever reason.
I know Moe ain’t ever gonna do anything to help Saskatchewan. Ford might be the only premier in Canada who would actually do it, but I think that is low probability.
To paraphrase Trey Gowdy specifically with regard to how it got this bad.
None of these findings are surprising, what is surprising is the media’s lack of curiosity.
What I mean is that official Ottawa and the press gallery seem to be in a quandary to how we got to a point where we don’t seem to have anyone else on our side, since about November 2015. This question seems to be ignored or gets nary a mention in any of the opinion pieces or during any reportage whatever.
“Oh this terrible”
Or
“The government is in a dilemma ”
Not once do you see or hear the question.
Why is this happening?
But then again if the golden rule of journalism in Canada is now “all the news that is fit to print that half a billion can buy” none of this should surprise anyone.
PET was the favourite useful idiot of communist dictatorships then, his son is no different.
The change now is that those countries Ottawa sees as our allies (ie USA) won’t politely ignore it anymore.
The media hasn’t figured it out yet.
Maybe Rex Murphy will have an enlightening write up tomorrow on it, maybe then it will dawn on them.
Expect Coyne will clue in about two weeks from now.
Bottom line team Sockmonkey has to decide whose team Canada is on and accept responsibility for the decision, and for liberals thats just not something in their DNA.
To paraphrase Ignattieff they are the Puffin party.
The underlining problem for Canada is the childish fever they endorse regarding INERNATIONAL LAWS .. The Saudi squabble was/is International Rights to interfere with Saudi domestic problems with political activists…The pretender “little potato” thinks punching “down” from his hypocritical perch will influence his UN/EU comrades’…. Where are THEY? The team is hiding.
“The underlining problem for Canada is the childish fever they endorse regarding INERNATIONAL LAWS ..”
You said a lot there, slap shot.
Canada is like an tail-wagging puppy, pissing on the floor in its eagerness to sign on to the latest stupidity that the gluttonous, corrupt, cowardly, and useless UN churns out.
This is what happens when we elect people for all the wrong reasons. Trudeau and his gang are incompetents led by agenda driven incompetents.
This is a mess that will not end well no matter how hard the Star and their ilk try to blame Trump they can’t whitewash this diplomatic drama being directed by China.
The Trudeau Cabal are no match for Trump and we are a laughing stock of major proportions proving to the world we are led by a pack of buffoons.
not to worry Liz J, the cuckservatives will f*ck up the chance to take advantage of this. The cuckservative will verbally wank off about MJ and abortions, which are personal choices, and not federal policy issues.
Let’s expel all Chinese citizens and let house prices come back to earth so Canadians can live in Vancouver once again.
Screw Vancouver. Vancouver voted for this. Vancouver wants “irregular” migrants. Vancouver protests pipelines.
Vancouver gets no help or sympathy from me. I hope house prices in Vancouver go 20 $25 billion per square inch, and no Canadian citizen owns anything, or works, within 200 miles of the downtown core of Vancouver.
A pox on the house of Vancouver. And Quebec. And Toronto. And Redmonton. And Regina. And every other socialist voting crap hole on the planet.
San Fran, Chicago, Detroit, London UK, Venezuela, Vancouver, Paris, the Christmas markets in Germany, … they are all getting what they wanted; and they deserve to enjoy it good and hard.
On the world stage, PM Trudeau is as weak as Canada’s had in a long long time.
However Trudeau handles this, in the lead up to an election he needs to be seen as strong, as the man in charge in Canada.
So, I expect failure.
It’s the perfect time to have a separation referendum in Alberta, while the Canadian SCOAMF is in it over his head and occupied.
This is an astute observation.
Lets pursue this line of thought further on one possible outcome.
Presuming the liberals want to use “Trudeau stands up to Trump” in the next election anything that could deconstruct that narrative would force them off message. Now considering this train of thought, what if Trump managed to resolve this after team Sockmonkey fails to?
Somewhat related, its been reported that Elivira Gultch our Foreign Affairs Minister is currently in Washington DC.
This is not going to end well for team Sockmonkey.
There is no amount of tax payer subsidies that can cover up this level of incompetence.
Joe Clark was a penultimate negotiator compared to this bunch.
“There is no amount of tax payer subsidies that can cover up this level of incompetence.”
I think you are wrong.
Thank you, Tonda, for reminding me why you work for the Red Star.
My only surprise is that it took you several paragraphs to link the whole issue to The Donald. Thus in a miraculous form of journalism, you deflected from the criminal and the ineptitude of our PM Justine and basically gave the Leftist reasoning as to why Canada does not have to extradite this woman to the USA.
Simply put, if that evil Donald hadn’t “politicized” it, we would be able to send her south.
It’s all the fault of Donald Trump in collusion with Mike Harris, Stephen Harper and Doug Ford.
I’m sure former Saskatchewan premier Grant Devine was also partially to blame.
There must be a special course in journalism that teaches the knack of tying every right-wing politician in the last half century to every act perceived by the left as bad.
the chinese accurately believe that the executive, judicial and legislative branches of government are the same.
because for them it is.
it leads to the beijing bosses executing falun gong to feed the lucrative organ transplant business.
it leads them to demand trudough’s bunch step all over OUR judicial branch for political gain.
it leads them to crap all over us when it now suits them. must have learned it from trudough.
this is the dictatorship trudough admires so much.
etc
It is not Canada that is at fault here. It’s the Canadian idiot representatives.
The air head the cabal that runs him come from an entitled class. That being people that live only along with the same kind of people saying YES. These people are not polluted by people that get up every morning to work, to provide for their families and pay taxes. These are the people that consume the taxes in ever greater amounts.
The ruling class dislikes Trump bigly. Trump is not interested.
Why would he help some idiots that serve in the official functions of the Canadian government and throw insults his way?
That he may deserve it is wholly beside the point. That is why countries employ diplomats.
It could be that Trump enjoys, if he at all cares, watching the airhead and the woman in tight dress going down.
The guy that lives or is supposed to live on Sussex Drive does not know how to handle these things, nor does the woman or the butthead.
The whole ideology house of cards is falling down a card here and a card there.
They, the airhead and his ministers are handling this very much like the pipeline west. They are at loss as what to do.
Trump, if he is watching at all, is just grinning and as he is wont to say, we will see soon what will happen.
They, the airhead and his ministers are handling this very much like the pipeline west.
You mean, Prinz Dummkopf is going to buy China? That might solve a few immigration problems….
The thing is, as most informed people know, there are 1 billion + people in China.e
There are 350 million + people in USA.
Who does the airhead think he is to tell any one country in the world, how to run their affairs.
You can say that he is megalomaniac on a world scale.
There are or it appears to be less and less people that agree with what these Liberal clowns are doing though they have the power to do it and there are actually very few and none that can stop it for another year or so. That remains to be seen though, their numbers are at 40% which is enough to keep in power, depending on the distribution of the votes.
It is obvious that the policies that Liberals chose to be their standard are failing everywhere. The feminist agenda and other such “social justice” idiocies are just about demolished everywhere else but this country. That is because we have a 4 year at a time, limited dictatorship that is ruled by the PM. What the PM says that will be the policy, hell or high water as some would say.
You have to agree that what was the platform at the election time and the voters elected them, it is the people that elected the miscreants that are responsible.
That is your parliamentary system.
Just look at Democrats south of the border, they are salivating over the parliamentary system when they are out of power, less so when they have the power. In short they are for it or against it.
Depends.
When it comes right down to it, geography makes it necessary that we side with the USA.
Now, as team Sockmonkey wants to construct the narrative of “standing up to Trump” this effectively deconstructs that narrative completely, similarly the same way the USMCA signing ceremony did.
Just an fyi.
The world does not see Canadians as weak, vacillating, pretentious, bad faith negotiators, just the trudeau government.
Trump just isn’t doing what past US administrations have done by politely ignoring it.
And the voters who put them where they are. This is why secret ballot is bad.
Imagine if China were dependent upon imports of Canadian oil . . .
for some reason this whole episode increases my admiration and support of POTUS Donald.
“It would be nice if publicly and also behind the scenes if countries like the United States, the U.K., Australia and France would put in a word on our behalf and let the Chinese know how damaging this is to their reputation and to the notion that China is a safe place to work and pursue a career.”
Why should they? And why should China care what they think? Canada is being made an example of and no globalist satrap has any reason to get involved.
Donald Trump himself is sick of being condescended to by a homosexual former drama teacher and wants him replaced with a Max Bernier or a Doug Ford who has a mature view of the worlf and of Canada’s place in it. If the Chinese are cutting Justin loose, the president has no incentive to do anything but watch Justin flail and scream for papa as he plunges to his death.
Kid Justin oozes immaturity, it’s no complement when Trump refers to Trudeau by his first name and he does it every chance he gets.
Diplomacy is a fine art, it’s not a game played by incompetents of which we have an abundance of taking care of our affairs.
We have no help from the likes of Ralphie Goodale, he’s long ago bobbed his brains out between sessions of brown nosing whoever happens to be his leader, defending the indefensible which he’s still doing.
Then we have Climate Barbie who scolds us while she ignores the fact we ship mega tons of coal off to places like Commie China. All this and we are paying a “tax on pollution” which is a carbon tax plus HST all to save the world and all that’s in it.
If ever there were a tax on stupidity we’d be bankrupt.
In Chinese parlance it is called – quite accurately in this case – “slapping the monkey to scare the lion”. The nine irons are hoping that by beating up Canadians, they will scare the Americans. They have liberal Canada figured out … but they are out of their league with Trump.
Let’s send Kathleen Wynne to China to mediate, perhaps aided by Andrea Horwath. They could harangue the Chinese over the lack of gender balance in those that were arrested.
Justin and the Liberals are suddenly all about the “independence of the judiciary in Canada”.
Didn’t seem so in the Colten Boushie case…
Hmph. I wonder what’s different?
The CBC had its panel of socialists on tonight explaining the China situation to the peasants. Michael Coren stated that China is wonderful. Its throwing off its communist past and we should develop further ties with it. The other panelists of course agreed. The Liberal government is wonderful for the way they are looking after the situation. Trudeau is wonderful. And Trump is evil.
Michael Coren? He’s a cbc panelists?
Ha ha.
Coren has gone totally over to the dark side.
Kenny, bible thumper Coren has always been over there, he has just stepped out from behind the curtain. Just watch fox news and nat post, they will be full commy in 5 – 10 years.
Yes I am almost ashamed he is a Tottenham supporter; unless he’s changed that too, to Chelsea maybe?
AnotheR day another bungle.nothing to see here folks
This is a perfect time to send our climate gang to China to impress upon them need for climate action!! May I suggest Liz May, Catherine McKenna , Morneau, and Our Prime Minister Justin lead the group and leave for Benji immediately! They could point out to China, all their faults on Human Rights and especially their delay not imposing a Carbon Tax !!!
Gawd, it’s not like either one of them is an Omar Khadr or anything like that – they’ll rot the left eats it’s own.
‘Canada is back,’ says Trudeau in Paris. ‘We’re here to help’ : Trudeau 2015
Who Needs Enemies
https://comicallyincorrect.com/a-f-branco-cartoon-who-needs-enemies/
Yes I’ve been hearing this nonsense since the get-go. Although it is the Chinese who are being arbitary, “unconstitional”, injust and in the wrong. it’s all Trump’s fault that Canada is being screwed by the Chinese. And they want a “free trade” deal with the Chinese?
People forget the Chinses government, or Red Dynasty, as I like to call them due to their history of centralized bureaucracies, is a Communist Government. Unlike Russia. Someone tell me, I’ve forgotten, why the Communist Chinese are OK but the Western Russians are evil?