Jordan Peterson, the Intellectual Dark Web & the Mainstream Media
17 Replies to ““A Glitch in the Matrix””
Like most people, there’s many dimensions to the Jordan Peterson story. The anti-sjw/pc/postmodernism/identitarian side and the pro-responsibility/meaning/grow up message to young people side (particularly boys and young men) being the two most talked about. There’s a religious, metaphysical and myth side. The academic work and clinical psychology. Then there’s the reaction his messages that is either extremely pro (almost cultish) and a unhinged movement against his ideas, mixed in with lots of envy of his success.
Personally, I think the message to young people is the most important. For women, it’s important to hear the message that structuring your life to please 3rd wave feminism has a downside and what has been sold as structural sexism looks more like personal choice, when reading the data more closely. Prioritizing a family over a career is a normal, healthy choice that you shouldn’t feel like you have to justify.
For young men, it is important to counter the bigoted message that by default you’re a monster because you’re male. To get young men and boys to disregard that awful “toxic masculinity” idea and follow more closely the ideals of past generations on how to be a good man – honest, reliable, stoic, hard-working etc. The alternative is having young men who are lost and looking for acceptance and meaning in all the wrong places.
That talking to young people (or older people) about these ideas is considered controversial or sexist is truly odd. From the freakout and attacks from the left and progressives, you’d think Peterson was a criminal. Actually, portraying him as an outlaw with a dark,dangerous message probably increases his appeal to the rebellious spirit of (many) young people.
Being atheist, his religious videos don’t interest me at all.
“Being atheist, his religious videos don’t interest me at all.”
I suggest you watch his Maps of Meaning videos before you jump to conclusions re the religious aspects.
The videos are far deeper than just pushing religion.
It’s truly enjoyable to watch supremely arrogant and overconfident interviewers wade into battle with Peterson only to get their asses handed to them by Peterson’s superior clearly spoken logic delivered with good humour, without malice and often a cheerful smile.
That Jordan Peterson is a prophet of Biblical proportions for our time is evidenced by the extent to which peoples around the world are in a state of fear and flocking to hear what he has to say. He is warning us that our western society is on the edge of an abyss, and will we pull back from a collapse and disintegration or descend into a totalitarian dark age that will make the Marxist Bolshevik and Stalinist eras seem like a Sunday school picnic by comparison.
I’m not a real Jung fan but to borrow his idea for a moment I relate back to the fall of mankind and God talking to Adam and Eve. He said to Eve “Your desire will be to usurp your husband but he will rule over you”. In that small statement we see the role that our feminine nature and masculine nature plays. Our feminine wants to run thing and rule things but because it is chaotic it simply destroys the order that is needed for sane humans and a sound society. Yes the emotional seeks to usurp the logical but the logical must rule over it.
I don’t believe there is any question but that the imagined futuristic nirvana of the blue church will be a hellish death sentence for humanity. But you will be able to pursue your entrepreneurial “art” career while starving … because Nancy Pelosi passed Obamakkare for you.
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Oh no, there goes my plan to nominate Prof. Jordan Peterson for the Nobel Prize for literature based on his “12 Rule for Life: An Antidote for Chaos”.
Then along come chaos into Sweden’s Nobel committee for literature.
Who could have seen that coming?
That is how goofy things have become. Forty years ago, Dr. Peterson would have been considered to be a reasonable man by educated classical liberal standards.
(Yes, standards, like norms, can help perpetuate a healthy social contract, you dumb ass leftie twits )…
Excuse the outburst. What I meant to say, is that now, Peterson is seen as a prophet of the ilk of being a combination of Jeremiah and your dad in the 60s telling you to pull up your socks and get a job, etc.
How retarded it all seems.
As for his religious stuff….while it is Jungian and Mosaic, it should command some respect, even from atheists, who are a faith unto themselves.
Dude
lol !!
I mean, good grief, where *else* could one so quickly find all this dot connecting but a conservative political blog?
ok, now I *AM* outta here !!
if you want an interesting take on Peterson read vox day.
Vox Day man is a complete twit. Being as critical as He was even though He admitted to having read very little of His work. Jordan has taken so much air out of the intellectual room that the minor intellects are jealous and are trying to ride on His coat tails by doing anything they can to associate themselves with His name even it is just juvenile criticism.
I read Vox. I thought it was weak and misrepresented many of Peterson’s arguments.
It was not interesting, rather a waste of time.
I just finished reading Peterson’s ’12 Rules’ book. It took me quite a while to read it what with having to re-read so many paragraphs / pages / chapters. I highly recommend the book. If you’re going to read it I would suggest doing so while being in a distraction-free place. I’m 68 years old. I’m wishing this book would have been available to me 40 years ago. Such insight – such wisdom – so rare.
The woman psychologist talking about female rage is interesting. She brings it up, and willingly acknowledges it, but doesn’t try to explain its genesis. Is it due to suppression, hormones, a sense of powerlessness, or what?
If we were given an explanation, it would help in developing a framework for possibly constructive dialogue. Without that, we’re going to continue to be at odds, if there is actually such a thing.
I believe the main reason that women are so pissed of is the shape of the different bell curves for IQ between men and women . Because of the male bell curve being much wider than the female curve there are many more extremely competent males at the top of most fields of study and business . I am not saying there is an overall difference in IQ between the sexes. I’m only saying that because of the shape of the bell curves between the sexes there are far more stupid and brilliant males than females. Trying to level the playing field under these circumstances is like cutting of your nose to spite your face. The only system than can work effectively is pure meritocracy under a capitalist system that might have some sort of floor through which no one would fall such as a GAI. But i’m probably preaching to the choir so there’s my two cents.
Having a bit of trouble wrapping my head around these distinctions between blue and red. I think one’d find it hard to argue the left seeks chaos. While putting them in charge might indeed yield chaos, the fact is it seems the left’s deepest desire is to control everything, central planning style. The notion that creative people tend to view things through a leftist lens doesn’t account for hoards of other twits who fly the banner, and just want to smoke weed and get free stuff.
Virtue signalling, another central theme/pursuit in the left/lib world, is not given any mention in Jordan Greenhall’s model. Most leftists don’t bother exploring the rationale that might give foundation to their political views and instead adopt their ideology for what they think makes them sound righteous or what they believe the smart people are saying. Academia serves up their talking points for them in the form of one-size-fits-all communal propaganda.
The difference today, and the real reason for polarization in our society, is sensible people have been taking notice and are beginning to reject the exponentially pernicious thinking of the left.
What troubles me to no end is that fundamental rules/conduct/ethics that were passed on to me by parents and my community not that many years ago would be heralded as eye-opening, enlightening, and provocative today.
Like most people, there’s many dimensions to the Jordan Peterson story. The anti-sjw/pc/postmodernism/identitarian side and the pro-responsibility/meaning/grow up message to young people side (particularly boys and young men) being the two most talked about. There’s a religious, metaphysical and myth side. The academic work and clinical psychology. Then there’s the reaction his messages that is either extremely pro (almost cultish) and a unhinged movement against his ideas, mixed in with lots of envy of his success.
Personally, I think the message to young people is the most important. For women, it’s important to hear the message that structuring your life to please 3rd wave feminism has a downside and what has been sold as structural sexism looks more like personal choice, when reading the data more closely. Prioritizing a family over a career is a normal, healthy choice that you shouldn’t feel like you have to justify.
For young men, it is important to counter the bigoted message that by default you’re a monster because you’re male. To get young men and boys to disregard that awful “toxic masculinity” idea and follow more closely the ideals of past generations on how to be a good man – honest, reliable, stoic, hard-working etc. The alternative is having young men who are lost and looking for acceptance and meaning in all the wrong places.
That talking to young people (or older people) about these ideas is considered controversial or sexist is truly odd. From the freakout and attacks from the left and progressives, you’d think Peterson was a criminal. Actually, portraying him as an outlaw with a dark,dangerous message probably increases his appeal to the rebellious spirit of (many) young people.
Being atheist, his religious videos don’t interest me at all.
“Being atheist, his religious videos don’t interest me at all.”
I suggest you watch his Maps of Meaning videos before you jump to conclusions re the religious aspects.
The videos are far deeper than just pushing religion.
It’s truly enjoyable to watch supremely arrogant and overconfident interviewers wade into battle with Peterson only to get their asses handed to them by Peterson’s superior clearly spoken logic delivered with good humour, without malice and often a cheerful smile.
That Jordan Peterson is a prophet of Biblical proportions for our time is evidenced by the extent to which peoples around the world are in a state of fear and flocking to hear what he has to say. He is warning us that our western society is on the edge of an abyss, and will we pull back from a collapse and disintegration or descend into a totalitarian dark age that will make the Marxist Bolshevik and Stalinist eras seem like a Sunday school picnic by comparison.
I’m not a real Jung fan but to borrow his idea for a moment I relate back to the fall of mankind and God talking to Adam and Eve. He said to Eve “Your desire will be to usurp your husband but he will rule over you”. In that small statement we see the role that our feminine nature and masculine nature plays. Our feminine wants to run thing and rule things but because it is chaotic it simply destroys the order that is needed for sane humans and a sound society. Yes the emotional seeks to usurp the logical but the logical must rule over it.
I don’t believe there is any question but that the imagined futuristic nirvana of the blue church will be a hellish death sentence for humanity. But you will be able to pursue your entrepreneurial “art” career while starving … because Nancy Pelosi passed Obamakkare for you.
There will be no Nobel Prize for Literature awarded this year, because the organization that decides the winner is dealing with a scandal over sexual assault allegations. 2:02
http://www.cbc.ca/news/thenational/no-nobel-prize-for-literature-after-sex-assault-scandal-1.4649946
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Oh no, there goes my plan to nominate Prof. Jordan Peterson for the Nobel Prize for literature based on his “12 Rule for Life: An Antidote for Chaos”.
Then along come chaos into Sweden’s Nobel committee for literature.
Who could have seen that coming?
That is how goofy things have become. Forty years ago, Dr. Peterson would have been considered to be a reasonable man by educated classical liberal standards.
(Yes, standards, like norms, can help perpetuate a healthy social contract, you dumb ass leftie twits )…
Excuse the outburst. What I meant to say, is that now, Peterson is seen as a prophet of the ilk of being a combination of Jeremiah and your dad in the 60s telling you to pull up your socks and get a job, etc.
How retarded it all seems.
As for his religious stuff….while it is Jungian and Mosaic, it should command some respect, even from atheists, who are a faith unto themselves.
Dude
lol !!
I mean, good grief, where *else* could one so quickly find all this dot connecting but a conservative political blog?
ok, now I *AM* outta here !!
if you want an interesting take on Peterson read vox day.
Vox Day man is a complete twit. Being as critical as He was even though He admitted to having read very little of His work. Jordan has taken so much air out of the intellectual room that the minor intellects are jealous and are trying to ride on His coat tails by doing anything they can to associate themselves with His name even it is just juvenile criticism.
I read Vox. I thought it was weak and misrepresented many of Peterson’s arguments.
It was not interesting, rather a waste of time.
I just finished reading Peterson’s ’12 Rules’ book. It took me quite a while to read it what with having to re-read so many paragraphs / pages / chapters. I highly recommend the book. If you’re going to read it I would suggest doing so while being in a distraction-free place. I’m 68 years old. I’m wishing this book would have been available to me 40 years ago. Such insight – such wisdom – so rare.
The woman psychologist talking about female rage is interesting. She brings it up, and willingly acknowledges it, but doesn’t try to explain its genesis. Is it due to suppression, hormones, a sense of powerlessness, or what?
If we were given an explanation, it would help in developing a framework for possibly constructive dialogue. Without that, we’re going to continue to be at odds, if there is actually such a thing.
I believe the main reason that women are so pissed of is the shape of the different bell curves for IQ between men and women . Because of the male bell curve being much wider than the female curve there are many more extremely competent males at the top of most fields of study and business . I am not saying there is an overall difference in IQ between the sexes. I’m only saying that because of the shape of the bell curves between the sexes there are far more stupid and brilliant males than females. Trying to level the playing field under these circumstances is like cutting of your nose to spite your face. The only system than can work effectively is pure meritocracy under a capitalist system that might have some sort of floor through which no one would fall such as a GAI. But i’m probably preaching to the choir so there’s my two cents.
Having a bit of trouble wrapping my head around these distinctions between blue and red. I think one’d find it hard to argue the left seeks chaos. While putting them in charge might indeed yield chaos, the fact is it seems the left’s deepest desire is to control everything, central planning style. The notion that creative people tend to view things through a leftist lens doesn’t account for hoards of other twits who fly the banner, and just want to smoke weed and get free stuff.
Virtue signalling, another central theme/pursuit in the left/lib world, is not given any mention in Jordan Greenhall’s model. Most leftists don’t bother exploring the rationale that might give foundation to their political views and instead adopt their ideology for what they think makes them sound righteous or what they believe the smart people are saying. Academia serves up their talking points for them in the form of one-size-fits-all communal propaganda.
The difference today, and the real reason for polarization in our society, is sensible people have been taking notice and are beginning to reject the exponentially pernicious thinking of the left.
What troubles me to no end is that fundamental rules/conduct/ethics that were passed on to me by parents and my community not that many years ago would be heralded as eye-opening, enlightening, and provocative today.