Azim Shariff, an assistant professor of psychology and social behavior at the University of California, Irvine, co-authored a study last year that found that while respondents generally agreed that a car should, in the case of an inevitable crash, kill the fewest number of people possible regardless of whether they were passengers or people outside of the car, they were less likely to buy any car “in which they and their family member would be sacrificed for the greater good.”
Well … I was reassured to read that jaywalkers will be programmed for termination instead of my family should our skynet driven auto encounter one. But … if a child darts into the street because his crack mother is passed out at the kitchen table, then skynet will be obligated to crash my car and kill my family. No thanks. I’ll take the “random odds” of the Universe over the State-approved morality roulette wheel.
Wow. I think the lawsuits against wrongful death have already started.
And people mocked Sarah Palin over death panels.
Things written 80 years ago are now being grappled with in society for $800, Alex.
Asimov’s Three Laws
A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws.
Who will provide the incentives for car owners to become guinea pigs while they perfect their systems?
The insurance companies who could reduce their rates to $0.
The auto manufacturers who could offer a reduced purchase price with a waiver.
The government who could require those collecting employment insurance to spend their days driving around.
There should also be assurances that any self-driving car involved in an accident, even a minor one, will be removed from service and not allowed on the road again.
I can see the end game here.
Picture an Obama-type administration.
Computers now know EVERYTHING about you.
Including your voting proclivities.
Keep your eyes peeled Conservatives, a Lois Lerner IRS-type may be in charge of programming who is primary target one when your self-driving car has an accident!
I’m fascinated by the enthisiasm for the self-driving car.
At first I thought the enthusiasts must be total idiots with no knowledge of how, with computers, thing can go wrong go wrong go wrong. And do. A lot. For no apparent reason. And that the only solution is usually a rebooot.
Then it gradually dawned on me that they are not idiots but standard elitists.
A human driving a car when and where he wants is freedom incarnate.
It must be eliminated.
Unsurprisingly, Bill Gates’s new planned utopian city will feature self-driving cars only.
Kate: Love most of your thread titles, but this one I don’t get.
ok, whats to stop a malicious geek from putting an autonomous and ANONYMOUS vehicle on the road and just set it free to randomly wander and randomly see how ‘close’ it can come to causing accidents as a ‘live’ ‘experiment’ in human drivers’ reaction times or some such excuse? just what ARE the licensing regulations? megacorps pushing the idea get a pass, everyone else waits on the sidewalk until its ready for the big ‘rollout’?
not. one. word. from the msm on THIS aspect of the issue. typical.
Im gonna ask the local lieberal mpp and report back here.
Dumb question.
Auto cars will do whatever is in accordance to the laws of the road. They won’t veer into a Ditch to avoid a collision as the consequences are unknown.
Things written 80 years ago are now being grappled with in society for $800, Alex.
Every single thing Asimov wrote about robots hinged on the theme that the Three Laws don’t work in practice.
The Luddism involved in these threads always amuses me. Every time a human being gets behind the wheel, they have to decide how they’re going to solve the Trolley Problem. Buy a car that’s programmed to solve it the same way you would.
Obviously there needs to be some sort of commission to determine how these cars should be programmed before they are allowed on the streets.
So self-driving cars coming to you in 2118?
Brockman is responsible for popularizing the snowclone “I, for one, welcome our new [fill-in-the-blank] overlords”, sometimes used to express mock submission, usually for the purpose of humor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_Brockman
If the self-driving car idea works then there would be no such thing as an inevitable collision. That this should come up as an issue at all is an admission that the premise is flawed. Ultimately a human must be responsible for the actions of the vehicle.
The self driving car is a boon to my fellow jihadis,my Imam has written a book,”Jihad and the Self Driving Car”, which is rapidly becoming a best seller.
To make a long read short: Load ‘er up with C-4,and program it to go downtown during Infidel shopping Week in December. Mannequins in the back seat are optional.
The best part is you get to live to do it all over a few days later.
Thanks canonymouse that just lost me some sleep.
There are so many decisions to be made while driving. While AI can likely to 90% to 99% better, it is the other situations that I prefer human interaction for.
Maybe your car will decide that the roads are too icy to safely travel. But you need to get somewhere to save a life. Who gets to decide, you, or some nameless programmer or worse, bureaucrat writing a regulation.
How does a stuck self driving car get out of the mud or snow.
What about sensor failure in the middle of nowhere. Car gets to go or are you stuck as your vehicle stops in the middle of nowhere.
Guess there will be no more off road driving either.
All of these situation and more will need to be programmed or have a neural net learn them
“Ultimately a human must be responsible for the actions of the vehicle.”
There always will be a human (or group of humans) responsible for the actions of the vehicle. That’s the programmer (or group of programmers) who programmed the car or wrote the program that programs the car. And that programmer: doesn’t know you, doesn’t know the roads the car is on, doesn’t know the climate or weather in which the car will operate, doesn’t know the traffic conditions existing at any time or place in which the car will be operating. But they have heard of all those things and tried to anticipate every possible circumstance that may arise. And you all know from all the computer programs you’ve ever used just how good they are at always anticipating everything that may arise and providing for it, don’t you?
Good comment. I’ve been saying this for a long time on many threads. These self-driving cars are cheap potential cruise missiles.
Semtex
Semtex is an explosive containing both RDX and PETN. Semtex, a Czech-made explosive, has been used in many terrorist bombings. Dynamite has been replaced by the more destructive and easily concealed Semtex. SEMTEX is a plastic explosive that is odorless. SEMTEX along with a detonating cap, can be inserted inside a 5″ x 6″ musical greeting card, undetected. Three pounds of Semtex plastique packs enough punch to raze a two-story building. Terrorists attack with no warning and no rationale. Their weapon of choice is a pliable, odorless substance that is twice as powerful as TNT and is virtually invisible to conventional security devices. It can be hidden in a brief case or a small cassette recorder.
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Substantial quantities of the explosive have been stolen from industrial enterprises in the Czech and Slovak republics for sale on the black market. Shortly before the most recent ban was lifted, Czech police seized 100 kilograms of industrial Semtex from a group of Czech citizens who were planning its illegal sale abroad. In Slovakia in October 1993, some 900 kilograms of the explosive were stolen from the warehouse of a private firm, together with more than 2,000 detonators. Czech officials candidly admit that they have no idea how much Semtex has been stolen or illegally diverted, and the continued black market trade in the explosive seems certain.
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/explosives-compositions.htm
One of the punishments, having fear when none pursues…
Lev 26:36 And upon them that are left alive of you I will send a faintness into their hearts in the lands of their enemies; and the sound of a shaken leaf shall chase them; and they shall flee, as fleeing from a sword; and they shall fall when none pursueth.
Thanks canyonmouse for the explanation of Kate’s thread title.
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artificial intelligence… boon or burden?
“If we’re lucky, they’ll treat us as pets… if we’re
very unlucky, they’ll treat us as food.”
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Utopians/utilitarians are like socialists: they always want someone else to pay the price.
They’ll have to pry my cold dead hands from my steering wheel.
Artificial Intelligence has no skin in the game and therefore nothing to lose; whatever the outcome.
Therein lies the rub.
Some interesting perspective;
http://moralmachine.mit.edu/
I drive a Dodge Ram 1500 four wheel drive truck with a 400 horsepower Hemi. Despite the weight and the awesome power it gets better gas mileage than the much smaller and less powerful Toyota Tacoma I traded it in for. It is probably faster than any vehicle I have ever driven, and pulls my trailer effortlessly.
If I am faced with a rogue Yuber or an out of control smart car coming my way, I will make the best choice for me and my passengers. I will consider the ditch first, and do my best to avoid a collision, but there may come a time that I rely on the Momentum Equation to rule in my favour. At least it will be my choice, not some pimple faced kid working for some outfit in Silicon Valley.
I will never own a self driving vehicle until I am drooling uncontrollably and start to cheer for the Evil Empire!
The last episode of Myth Busters demonstrated the proper tool for the job, a snow plow styled ram on the front of a semi.
And of course the “Self Driving Car” will have the ability to,
1 Report your location constantly.
2 Be overridden in an “emergency”.
3 Be sabotaged by command software, my favourite.Command. All go left.
4Lull the complacent occupant into a false state of security, just before catastrophe..Oh never mind this is the normal mindset of most current drivers.
I suspect this might be why our “progressive” comrades enthuse over this possible tech, fits right in with their other logic..Guns kill people.
So automobiles kill 1000s each year, would it not be wonderful to automate the automobile?
If it saves just one life…
So what happens with the thrill kill kiddies dropping objects from pedestrian overpasses?
Which is at fault?
The vandal or the AI?
For failling to dodge?
imagine a self driving car in blizzard conditions.
Kinda like the Solvent Green scenario eh..??
Driverless cars..? We Are ALREADY at the point where the latst 2015+ vehicles can be taken over remotely…
I am and will continue to be happy I bought a 2006 GMC truck. Yes it has electronics, but it is not in any way shape or form “connected”. Nor will I ever consider such a vehicle or modification.
What was it that was said earlier.? Driving your own vehicie while 100% in control is PURE FREEDOM….I buy that implicitly. The in yer face potential for insanity to prevail with Autonomous Vehicles is simply too great in my mind…STUPID IDEA.
Ditto…and I have an aftermarket 3/16″ A44 Plate steel bumper on my 2006 Duramax….along with a 20″ rigid light bar I use from time to time…judiciously of course.!
Not a hope in hell I would EVER consider getting into, let alone buying a 4 Wheeled mobile “computer”. a Complete Joke….
Remember the scene in iRobot right..???
Hey, I need to know!
If a self driving car gets stuck, will another self driving car pull it out?
Hey, I need to know!
If a self driving car gets stuck, will another self driving car pull it out?