21 Replies to “We Don’t Need No Stinking Giant Fans”

  1. add in the fixed connectin charges, that 6.75 number is not even close….

  2. But they can save the world by having millions freeze to death this winter … those carbon units will no longer be contributing to global warming expected to happen in 50 to a 100 years from now … you know … after the current drift into a mini ice age has passed, because that is where we are headed … not warming … cooling.

  3. Not to worry ! It is much, much, cheaper to build things in Malaysia … where power is CHEAP … and there are NO greenies.

  5. Well, lookie.
    The US most optimal, followed by France.
    Both have substantial nucular(!) power. Go figure!

  6. The Euroweenie Union and its so called renewible energy whats needed is to harness all tat Hot Air coming from the mouths of those annoying wanks from the various eco-freak groups

  7. You are forgetting that free connection charges is frequently a subsidy provided to the renewables.

  8. But such may not be the case for long, Dan. Half a dozen reactors in the US has been forced to close over the past four years, most of them because of the skewed way that electricity markets work in favour of renewables. And in France, Hollande’s Socialist Party government is trying to force the closure of both reactors at the Fessenheim station for no safety, economic or operational reason. Politics only: they are on the Rhine River on the border with Germany.
    The green slime plague is still spreading. And Shiny Pony wants to bring a truckload more of it to Canada.

  9. It is much, much, cheaper to build things in Malaysia or just about anywhere in Asia. PV Solar panels for example:
    It’s not economically feasible to mine the raw materials or produce PV solar components in North America. The labor costs in North America are prohibitively expensive and North American environmental regulations which keep our air, water and land from being heavily polluted don’t exist in Asia, so nearly all of the mining for materials and PV production is over there where they can pollute and keep their production costs low. The electricity to run their mines and PV solar factories comes from dirty coal burned without stack scrubbing and the mines and factories dump pollution into the environment. The same goes for their wind turbines, electric cars…etc. The amount of environmental destruction and toxic pollution from PV solar and wind turbine production in China far exceeds the damage caused by the oil sands operations. Chinese green energy is as dirty or perhaps even dirtier than the oil sands.
    The city-sized Baogang Steel and Rare Earth complex dominates the horizon, its endless cooling towers and chimneys reaching up into grey, washed-out sky. Between it and me, stretching into the distance, lies an artificial lake filled with a black, barely-liquid, toxic sludge.
    Dozens of pipes line the shore, churning out a torrent of thick, black, chemical waste from the refineries that surround the lake. The smell of sulphur and the roar of the pipes invades my senses. It feels like hell on Earth.
    …
    Even before getting to the toxic lake, the environmental impact the rare earth industry has had on the city is painfully clear. At times it’s impossible to tell where the vast structure of the Baogang refineries complex ends and the city begins. Massive pipes erupt from the ground and run along roadways and sidewalks, arching into the air to cross roads like bridges. The streets here are wide, built to accommodate the constant stream of huge diesel-belching coal trucks that dwarf all other traffic.
    …
    You may not have heard of Baotou, but the mines and factories here help to keep our modern lives ticking. It is one of the world’s biggest suppliers of ‘rare earth’ minerals. These elements can be found in everything from magnets in wind turbines and electric car motors, to solar panels, to the electronic guts of smartphones and flatscreen TVs. In 2009 China produced 95% of the world’s supply of these elements, and it’s estimated that the Bayan Obo mines just north of Baotou contain 70% of the world’s reserves. But at what cost?
    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20150402-the-worst-place-on-earth
    Some people seem to believe toxic pollution is OK as long as it happens somewhere else. Mr.&Mrs.NorthAmerica don’t care as long as it’s not in their backyard; “lets go shopping and buy more cheap stuff to throw in the dump”.

  10. Which is why the left is trying to INCREASE our power prices. To support the mistakes of the EU.

  12. There’s something interesting I’d like to point out to you here.
    Look again at the chart. Not the costs, but the title ….. Industrial Electricity prices.
    Now don’t confuse that with what you may be being charged for your home power bill, the cost for electricity in the Residential sector, because, in every case, that is higher.
    Look at the data (for the U.S.) at this link. (http://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.cfm?t=epmt_5_03)
    The cost for the Residential sector is highest, next is Commerce, and the cheapest is the Industrial sector.
    Now, before you think that the poor old citizen in his home is the most put upon by having to pay the most,(you know, being gouged maybe) you need to realise actual consumption data here.
    The average home uses a small amount by comparison. The average for a Commercial consumer is Residential multiplied by around 6, and the average Industrial consumer is Residential multiplied by around 65, and keep in mind that is just the average, as large Commercial consumers like a large supermarket chain might be around residential multiplied by perhaps as high as 200, and a large Industry might be residential multiplied by anything up to 500+.
    So here, it’s scale. If they use a monstrously huge amount of electricity, then it’s obvious they will pay less for it, and they have contractual prices for that.
    Also, the next time someone mentions to you that the cost of renewables will ultimately lead to lower electricity costs, please refer them to this data at that above link.
    Note that since the ramping up of renewables over the last ten years or so, the cost for electricity has risen, and while it may only be a recorded couple of cents per KWH, work it out as a percentage.
    That’s a pretty large 20 to 25% increase, and what needs to be realised here is that this applies for a renewable inroad of only 5%. So, a tiny amount of renewables has led to a pretty large percentage increase in the coast for electricity.
    Tony.

  13. Ontario’s price is C$0.128 per kwh = approx. US$0.09 per kwh, or about 1/3 more than the U.S. price.
    Why would any Ontario business that uses a lot of power (think Honda, Toyota, GM, Ford, and Chrysler) not simply haul-@$$ down to the U.S. and let Ontario keep on Wynneing?!

  14. “The green slime plague is still spreading. And Shiny Pony wants to bring a truckload more of it to Canada.” Well said.
    It seems that the Luddite/Malthusian anti-human ideology is controlling most of the countries in the west.

  15. So Ontario at US ¢14/kWh doesn’t beat France that has the cheapest electricity in Europe and the most nukes even though Ontario has nukes too. BTW, Holland has the most wind-power (if you’ll excuse the oxymoron) and the highest prices in Europe (the last time I read that was several years ago).

  16. The price increase because Hydro lost money due to the mild winter is supposed to be increased to ¢18/kWh so that’s the figure I used for my comment, above.

  17. The chart is all you need to see. It’s why I no longer bother voting. No matter who wins, you get more wind and more green subsidies. If all there is to vote for is the speed with which Napoleon kills Snowball, what’s the point?

  18. The use of supposedly ‘green’ biodiesel to hit EU renewable energy targets has actually significantly increased greenhouse gas emissions, a new study finds.
    By 2020, continued use of biodiesel derived from vegetable oil will increase total EU transport emissions by almost four per cent compared with using its fossil fuel alternative, according to analysis by Transport & Environment, a green group….
    But Transport & Environment says the EU’s own studies show that producing biodiesel from food crops – in particular soy and palm oil – is significantly worse for the environment than producing regular diesel.
    This is largely due to the knock-on effects on land usage of using food crops for fuel, which can result in rainforests or other habitats being cleared to make way for more food crops, so actually increasing emissions.
    Producing crop-based biodiesel has an emissions footprint on average 1.8 times the size of fossil fuel based diesel, it says.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/25/eu-drive-for-green-biodiesel-has-increased-emissions-study-finds/

  19. We are paying Fortis 13.3 cents per KWH here in the Kootenays. BC Hydro is substantially cheaper for residential use. Two tier blended pricing with smart meters.
    I feel sorry for Ontarians but my sorrow is tempered by the fact that they re-elected the clowns running things. These people blamed western oil for their economic situation and that lie was blindly accepted because it was easy and ignored a serious look at the fundamental weaknesses of heavy industry in Ontario.
    What is the economic plan for Ontario? Firstly continue to rape the West for as much as they can get. Secondly under mind their AutoPact industrial core by subsidizing the conversion to electric cars. Throw money at their inherent strength the vaunted high tech industry sequestered in their universities. Very much a dream world. Sadly if an election was held next month this same group would be, once again, re-elected.

  20. A well maintained diesel generator will burn 0.3 liters of fuel per kilowatt-hour. With diesel at $1 per liter, it’s expensive independence.

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