23 Replies to “We Don’t Need No Stinking Sparky Cars”
Isn’t there lithium in the batteries on those things? Water and lithium do NOT play nice together. I wonder if the firefighters knew that before they turned on the hose…
Also, djb, lithium is a none renewable resource.
There is far less lithium for batteries per capita than gasoline for internal combustion engines.
I recall seeing a GM warning about electocution from the battery when putting out a fire … sounded odd as anything below 48V is not deemed hazardous UNLESS is has a very high current rating.
We wouldn’t want the water authorities to cut down on the amount of lithium that’s trickled into our water. Folks get jittery without it.
and,
When one of these battery powered devices burns, are the fumes that much less toxic that the EPA’s red colored phone doesn’t ring-ring-ring?
Brian: Most hybrid/electric cars run their electrics at 600V to keep the current down (thus needing lower gauge wiring). This is why there is electrocution risk when dealing with a damaged electric or hybrid car.
105k is a lot of money for a portable fire pit…
We should send him a bill for the Carbon Credits that owner needs to buy to offset his fire’s CO2 output.
It isn’t a fair article if it was Muslims who set it on fire.
I read once about firemen being wary of using the “jaws of life” on sparky cars because of the risk of electrocution.
Is this supposed to be the new wave of environmentally conscious transportation?
Okay….
Another econut failure, between the toxicity of the battery and add the fire factor those cars are not enviro friendly.
As a volunteer firefighter, I have attended a number of training sessions on how to deal with an electric car. Fire, extrication etc. The bottom line has always been, if you don`t have to go near them, don`t. Let them burn. And for God`s sake, keep your SCBA on. Not too much danger of electrocution but when these things burn they are toxic as Hell.
The tragedy is that the “innocent” SUV sitting next to that POS was damaged.
…And, is it me or do firefighters no longer know Charlie Hustle?
US taxpayers ponied up a $529 million loan so this toy could be built in Finland. Thanks Obama.
Kate: Study the history of aviation for fun..
Do you know how many prototype planes crashed? how many people died trying to flight early aviation planes?
Technology works by trial and errors. Mistakes are good cause they lead to correction.
Electrical cars are the future.
Brian: Most hybrid/electric cars run their electrics at 600V to keep the current down (thus needing lower gauge wiring). This is why there is electrocution risk when dealing with a damaged electric or hybrid car.
Posted by: Taliesyn at August 12, 2012 4:20 PM
Thanks Taliesyn . I didn’t realize the voltage was that high … that is a REAL electrocution hazard , and personally I would not want to be hosing down a car with water with my boots wet … short trip to the promised land.
Syncrodox: LOL
Quebec separator:
I agree that the technology is in its infancy. Tough.
If it can’t compete or develop to a point where it can compete with IC engines and the more than a century of develoPment that they have – WITHOUT huge subsidies, too bad. They can stay in the “experimental” stage for another fifty years or however long It takes to develop a real life storage system that is reliable.
Also had a major car line had this kind of fire hazard apparently knowingly built in it would make the pinto debacle look like child’s play.
I hear they have a great 0-60. Didn’t realize that was a temperature measurement.
Quebec NDP parasiste….
If you wouldn’t put so much naivety in your posts, you could be accused of revising automotive history. Neither electric (La Jamais Contente), nor hybrid cars are invention of the last decade. They are as old as planes and found other applications then cars. Internal combustion engine won, end of the story.
Posted by: Quebecois NDP separatiste at August 12, 2012 8:05 PM “Electric Cars are the future”
Can you imagine the blackouts and brownouts that would happen if everyone owned an electric car and they all plugged in those millions of cars at the same time after returning home from work. The surge would keep the grid down permenantely.
Electrical cars are the future….
Hmmm a true libtard response. the rest of us are just too stupid to understand the brilliance of the leftist mindset. So arguments like the cars are toxic, fire hazards, expensive, unreliable and just flat dangerous mean nothing. I argue that no airplane uses a battery powered engine. Where is all of the energy that’s going to power all of these electric cars going to come from? Coal, natural gas or nuclear energy? Oh that’s right, the ultra expensive solar panel that won’t pay for itself in 50 years that only lasts about 10 years.
Hey ndp dork
I don’t remember the aviation industrie using the general public as their test piliots before launching a new aircraft.
All sparky cars should be sent to quackbec and let their people crash and burn them
Electric car proponents still push them as “clean”, ignoring the impacts associated with rare-earth metals mining and processing; manufacturing energy inputs; power generation emissions, transmission line losses, charging losses, battery recovery losses, and motor efficiency losses.
Add in the (short) lifecycle of batteries and attendant recycling costs/pollution, and you have anything but a “clean” footprint.
Contrast with modern IC engines and the high thermal efficiency they are capable of, the ready availability of recycled materials from which they are largely made, the durability of the components over the life-cycle, and the ease of eventual recycling when they are scrapped.
The modern IC-powered auto is a marvel of small-footprint mobility.
Isn’t there lithium in the batteries on those things? Water and lithium do NOT play nice together. I wonder if the firefighters knew that before they turned on the hose…
Also, djb, lithium is a none renewable resource.
There is far less lithium for batteries per capita than gasoline for internal combustion engines.
I recall seeing a GM warning about electocution from the battery when putting out a fire … sounded odd as anything below 48V is not deemed hazardous UNLESS is has a very high current rating.
We wouldn’t want the water authorities to cut down on the amount of lithium that’s trickled into our water. Folks get jittery without it.
and,
When one of these battery powered devices burns, are the fumes that much less toxic that the EPA’s red colored phone doesn’t ring-ring-ring?
Brian: Most hybrid/electric cars run their electrics at 600V to keep the current down (thus needing lower gauge wiring). This is why there is electrocution risk when dealing with a damaged electric or hybrid car.
105k is a lot of money for a portable fire pit…
We should send him a bill for the Carbon Credits that owner needs to buy to offset his fire’s CO2 output.
It isn’t a fair article if it was Muslims who set it on fire.
I read once about firemen being wary of using the “jaws of life” on sparky cars because of the risk of electrocution.
Is this supposed to be the new wave of environmentally conscious transportation?
Okay….
Another econut failure, between the toxicity of the battery and add the fire factor those cars are not enviro friendly.
As a volunteer firefighter, I have attended a number of training sessions on how to deal with an electric car. Fire, extrication etc. The bottom line has always been, if you don`t have to go near them, don`t. Let them burn. And for God`s sake, keep your SCBA on. Not too much danger of electrocution but when these things burn they are toxic as Hell.
The tragedy is that the “innocent” SUV sitting next to that POS was damaged.
…And, is it me or do firefighters no longer know Charlie Hustle?
US taxpayers ponied up a $529 million loan so this toy could be built in Finland. Thanks Obama.
Kate: Study the history of aviation for fun..
Do you know how many prototype planes crashed? how many people died trying to flight early aviation planes?
Technology works by trial and errors. Mistakes are good cause they lead to correction.
Electrical cars are the future.
Brian: Most hybrid/electric cars run their electrics at 600V to keep the current down (thus needing lower gauge wiring). This is why there is electrocution risk when dealing with a damaged electric or hybrid car.
Posted by: Taliesyn at August 12, 2012 4:20 PM
Thanks Taliesyn . I didn’t realize the voltage was that high … that is a REAL electrocution hazard , and personally I would not want to be hosing down a car with water with my boots wet … short trip to the promised land.
Syncrodox: LOL
Quebec separator:
I agree that the technology is in its infancy. Tough.
If it can’t compete or develop to a point where it can compete with IC engines and the more than a century of develoPment that they have – WITHOUT huge subsidies, too bad. They can stay in the “experimental” stage for another fifty years or however long It takes to develop a real life storage system that is reliable.
Also had a major car line had this kind of fire hazard apparently knowingly built in it would make the pinto debacle look like child’s play.
I hear they have a great 0-60. Didn’t realize that was a temperature measurement.
Quebec NDP parasiste….
If you wouldn’t put so much naivety in your posts, you could be accused of revising automotive history. Neither electric (La Jamais Contente), nor hybrid cars are invention of the last decade. They are as old as planes and found other applications then cars. Internal combustion engine won, end of the story.
Posted by: Quebecois NDP separatiste at August 12, 2012 8:05 PM “Electric Cars are the future”
Can you imagine the blackouts and brownouts that would happen if everyone owned an electric car and they all plugged in those millions of cars at the same time after returning home from work. The surge would keep the grid down permenantely.
Electrical cars are the future….
Hmmm a true libtard response. the rest of us are just too stupid to understand the brilliance of the leftist mindset. So arguments like the cars are toxic, fire hazards, expensive, unreliable and just flat dangerous mean nothing. I argue that no airplane uses a battery powered engine. Where is all of the energy that’s going to power all of these electric cars going to come from? Coal, natural gas or nuclear energy? Oh that’s right, the ultra expensive solar panel that won’t pay for itself in 50 years that only lasts about 10 years.
Hey ndp dork
I don’t remember the aviation industrie using the general public as their test piliots before launching a new aircraft.
All sparky cars should be sent to quackbec and let their people crash and burn them
Electric car proponents still push them as “clean”, ignoring the impacts associated with rare-earth metals mining and processing; manufacturing energy inputs; power generation emissions, transmission line losses, charging losses, battery recovery losses, and motor efficiency losses.
Add in the (short) lifecycle of batteries and attendant recycling costs/pollution, and you have anything but a “clean” footprint.
Contrast with modern IC engines and the high thermal efficiency they are capable of, the ready availability of recycled materials from which they are largely made, the durability of the components over the life-cycle, and the ease of eventual recycling when they are scrapped.
The modern IC-powered auto is a marvel of small-footprint mobility.