As one retired military guy I talked to said, “This is the ultimate mission creep. The Pentagon bright boys understand that we’re not going to have the money anymore to project force overseas so they’re planning to fight in the one place that doesn’t require it: ‘the Homeland’, which is a damned socialist term anyway.”
What strikes me is that this retired big-brain colonel has so little grasp of reality that he should choose the Tea Parties and “extremist militias” for his offensive action scenario. I guess it must be true what folks have been saying for some time — that white Christian “bitter clingers” are the only politically correct evil enemy anymore.
It’s long, but keep reading.
h/t Roger
“What strikes me is that this retired big-brain colonel has so little grasp of reality that he should choose the Tea Parties and “extremist militias””
Doesn’t surprise me in the least. If he were to redteam ‘progressives etc” he would be Colonel (ret) so fast his head would spin.
If the United States Army considers me and my family their enemy then I would be forced to adopt the same view about the US Army. I know US troops will obey orders to shoot and kill Americans, I doubt many Americans will fight back, too comfortable, to lazy and way too fat to fight back.
Some Americans will fight back and be vicious in their actions, it would be a civil war after all and 1860-1865 proved Americans can butcher each other with Glee.
Anyone giving such an order to kill Americans who disagree with the government or those trying to preserve the constitution would meet the same fate as Gaddafi with a stick or knife up the arse.
Here’s a shorter version of same story.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/7/the-civil-war-of-2016/
Getting one’s panties into a knot and wanting to spend billions on countering home-grown terrorism is yet another stupid idea, we can agree on that.
But just so we’re clear… rightwing militias are in fact a threat. They’ve been intercepted on a number of occasions, and most domestic terrorism in the US can be linked to these organizations. Take the Oaklahoma City bombing, the Atlanta Olympics bombing AND the recent shooting at a Sikh temple.
All rightwingers. All with links to militias.
So even though this might be alarmist, the rightwing militias, AND the Glenn Becks who do their part to stir them up and feed their retarded paranoia, are something to be mindful of.
Hey Douche Bag get a life you dumb cow
John….right wing militias,and all leftards,are a threat to a free society,and they should be put down like rabid dogs. Problem is,the ones who put them down usually turn out to be just as bad.So what to do?
I am a retired Canadian Army officer with more than a little experience in Canada-United States planning, including for the defence of North America. The part of the article I find very disturbing is the scenario and the selection of the “tea party” as the main enemy, although some radical organizations also are mentioned. Putting the name in brackets may imply something, but I don’t get it.
The authors go to considerable length to emphasize that the military is working under the direction of the Department of Justice. There is also a lot of emphasis on operating within the rule of law before, during and after the event and there is a reminder of the possible consequences of opening fire. This is purely a law enforcement operation, like President Eisenhower’s ordering federal troops into Little Rock circa 1957, which I recall vaguely.
That, however, should not let the authors off the hook for the choice of a very provocative scenario. The question is was there a better choice? Virtually any other scenario could also lead to justified criticism, however a bit more thought might have come up with a more acceptable setting.
Just busybodies being busybodies. They have totalitarian instincts, just like most safety people. Besides, they have to justify their phony baloney jobs.
The selection of the TEA Party movement as the “enemy” is no accident. The current Administration and the Progressive enablers who support and condone its actions all recognize the TEA Party movement as a grave threat to their political power, and therefore also a threat to their crony capitalist grip on the economy.
Unlike the “progressive” “Occupy” movement, there has never been documented evidence of violence on the part of the TEA Party movement, but by continuing to make innuendos and flogging the “TEA Party is made of violent extremists” meme, the Administration hopes to limit their impact in the November elections and prevent a loss of the election and minimizing the possibility of a blowout in the downline elections in the Congress, State Houses and Governorships.
The use of smear tactics by the progressives is a well known fact (look at how the CPC and its major political figures are portrayed by the Legacy media here in Canada), so there should be no surprise as to what is going on here.
If this info is now made public, that only means that contingency plans are already in place.
All is needed is an actual or fabricated/stage event to implement such plans.
The event will have to be extreme, I would say several events, co-ordinated, in various US cities, to justify a national implementation o such plans.
The tea party will never be a clear and present danger to the United States of America. The left is and always will be one. Insurrection comes from the left not the right.
Funny how John mentioned Oklahoma, Atlanta – which was not right wing – and the latest shooting. But he drove right past 911, Fort hood occupy Wall Street and all the other left Wing crap going on.
A few thoughts:
(1) Er, … we all remember, don’t we, that they’ve war-gamed the invasion of Canada? Doesn’t mean they intend to, nor that they think Canadians are their enemy. They war-game everything, as they should.
(2) Europe is headed for civil war. How far behind is the US? If the US military were not war-gaming a violent domestic insurgency, they would be guilty of gross negligence.
(3) Replace every occurrence of “Tea Party” with “Occupy Movement”, see if that doesn’t make you feel better about red-teaming. Joe @ 11:42 is right.
(4) Red-teaming makes us stronger. See Taleb on “anti-fragility”
The Tea Party is the true Republican Party.
That’s right, I said it!
I agree with Nick and Joe. The burden of political correctness is such that any attempt to wargame the real domestic threats would be shut down in a heartbeat by Nervous Nellie generals. The Tea Party serves as a “safe” surrogate for the real threats, such as OWS, inner-city gang bangers, and La Raza.
If Obama loses the election there will be riots in the streets. The participants will not be Tea party members or fanatic right wingers. They will be minorities and fanatic left wingers. When a country has more than 340 million people there will always be a good representation of wing nuts and mentally challenged people but that’s what the Police and National guard is for. To prepare the Armed forces for a civil war goes much deeper and darker than any Democracy should allow because only a pending Dictator would see logic behind such a move. We are losing our freedom in small increments but this theory is too big a step to accept for the vast majority of Americans on either side of the political spectrum. As Commander in chief I don’t believe Omama would have the Army on his side anyway. I think we are more into the tin foil hat catagory with this story. The cream always rises to the top. Then again…so does pond scum. It will be interesting to see what happens after the election. Bet the police and national guard can handle it.
Whoever might emerge as a potential “threat” in the States WILL be called The Tea Party, whether any members are involved, or not.
I’m not very impressed by upper management in the U.S. military (I have not served, BTW); look at the bone-headed exploits in Vietnam and every action since. General officers seem to pander to the political leadership, but we expect that, right?
What Joe, Ford and nick said. So far the takeover by the radical left in the US has been by slow increments. However, if the American people wake up and start to roll the Marxism back this could change.
nick, “If the US military were not war-gaming a violent domestic insurgency, they would be guilty of gross negligence.” Exactly. During my military days in the late 60s, the US had a plan of action ready in the event the FLQ crisis resulted in a hostile Quebec. This was a point of discussion at the annual Canada wide regimental commanding officer’s conference.
The insignificant “militias” are a convenient PR scapegoat to give cover.
gordinkneehill nails it. It is the escalation by the radical left represented by the useful idiots in the OWS crowd and similar groups that is the danger to the US.
In Canada, the Quebec students and the politicals behind them are the danger to Canada if they spread their anarchism to all of Canada.
“Funny how John mentioned Oklahoma, Atlanta – which was not right wing”
Oklahoma is in Atlanta???? Is that like a 58th state???
Ford…..found on road dead.
Thucydides, you are right on the money.
As a Tea Party member, Paul Ryan as VP candidate will help to unite the Republicans. The Tea Party’s principles are the direct opposite to CHICAGO values under the current administration.
By including The Tea Party as an enemy of the state, this Homeland protection plan is as fake as Obama.
@justthinkig
The the post I was talking about mentioned Oklahoma City and Atlanta which would be in Georgia.
If you look at my post you find a comma between Oklahoma and Atlanta.
Hoaser. There I can call people names to.
There have been many clandestine conversations in the ranks of the enlisted men in the US military over the possibility of being ordered to fire on civilians under this deranged CoC. The least likely scenario is one of them following orders to fire on groups that include their parents and grand parents. Even significant segments of the officer corps would likely opt to defend the constitution and refuse the orders rather than face fragging from their own men.
It is interesting to read how the Russian military acted during the Russian Revolutions of 1905 and 1917. In 1905, the military fired on the demonstrating crowds and put down the revolt, and in 1917, the regiments in St. Petersburg garrison after debating what to do almost immediately disobeyed their officers and joined the demonstrating crowds. The Bolsheviks had succeeded in demoralizing and infiltrating the conscript regiments. Only the officer cadet schools, the women’s battalion and some Cossacks stayed loyal.
It would depend a lot on which faction the troops and their families identified with.
One can only speculate as to how the average US soldier would react to an order to fire on fellow citizens.
How did a disenfranchised electorate become more of a threat than Islamists who shoot up Fort Hood, try to blow up things in New York City and spread hatred?
Did I miss something?
Ken (Kulak) @ 5.34
The average soldier? I have no idea.
The average marine? Here’s a clue, certainly not definitive, and from the comments of the above article:
http://jpfo.org/articles-assd/29palms-mcmanus.htm
+ 60% say no.
That scenario of using the TEA party as a trojan horse for OWS etc..has some merit….otherwise…I hear banjos…
Anyone with any knowledge of the military or it’s ranks allegiance to the Constitution rather than politcians would not tread anywhere near this.
The hard reality is although the US military is a vast host…they are vastly outnumbered by veterans…
It’s not the size of the dog in the fight but rather the size of the fight in the dog…
Winston Churchill
In this scenario the veterans are the biggest dog in numbers and experience-wise have the most fight….more banjos….
marc, however 85.3 per cent answered that they would willingly be part of a national police force. That sounds scary, especially if a few years of soft indoctrination by some ideology had occurred previously.
Ken (Kulak) at August 12, 2012 6:39 PM
Note there is a vast difference between ” willingly to be part of a national police force” and firing on US civilians…
I have reflected upon this and despite a belated disclamer by the Pentagon…this is disturbing and probably a reflection of the attitudes of the current political administration. It is perhaps a trial balloon to test the waters.
It is probable that these totalitarians are uneasy that the military could revolt against orders to fire on civilians…except for members of a visible minority which in turn would probably refuse to fire upon certain inner city civilians…..
Discused here:
http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=105&load=7290
‘Note there is a vast difference between ” willingly to be part of a national police force” and firing on US civilians…’
Agree fully. But, at what point does a soldier decide if he will or not participate in a governmental political agenda that harms a portion of the citizenry.
For example, in the late summer of 1941, just east of the Dnieper River, the Soviet military willingly helped round up potentially disloyal minority citizens that were in the path of invading Wehrmacht forces in order to ship them by cattle car to Kazakhstan. In a specific incident, a train had been loaded and left the station, but stopped in a few kilometers because the track had been bombed and destroyed within the previous hour. The officers ordered everyone out of the train and told the soldiers to shoot the people. The soldiers refused and left.
Where’s the wargame scenario for when a far left radical with known terrorist colleagues becomes president? Or the one where entire sectors have been communized?
marco, fifty years ago Hayek warned about the content in your “communized” link.
I suspect that your average American soldier isn’t aware of the legal limits on the use of the army in domestic operations. If you are not aware the idea of being used in domestic police operations wouldn’t necessarily appear unreasonable. I understand that military police are used in domestic operations in many (including reasonably civilized) places around the world.
I think some american troops might be prepared to follow orders to engage in operations against US citizens, but if that happened it would be the beginning of the total breakdown of civil society and general armed insurrection. If that happened we could see factions of the military fighting each other. Depending on how the next election plays out this could come to pass.
For the sake of the Free World Obama has to go this November,Romney may not be perfect but he has the same perspectives and values as most of the “working” and “productive” population.I don t believe that US troops would fire on innocent unarmed citizens but Kent State did happen didn t it.
I was an officer in the CAF when Trudeau sent in the troops during the FLQ crisis. Every officer I met was quite vocal saying ‘if Trudeau ordered them to shoot at Canadians they would refuse the order’. I suspect the Americans aren’t much different.
Intriguing dichotomy- government troops engaging citizenry/ citizens agressively confronting authoriy.
In the case of the latter, this will come about in painful degrees- It’ll be a relative few who initially take a radical stand and incur the state’s offensive, while sympathizers are not yet ready to engage. Sadly, these forerunners will pay the price…if the judicial system remains.
Until there is mass insurrection, individual activists will be taken down one by one.
Better to keep guns and ammo at the ready, albeit covertly!
Tea Party? They don’t even litter. But they do annoy both parties, so the dolt Colonel, nose shoved max penetration to political butt licking, chose wisely.
Tea Party? They don’t even litter. But they do annoy both parties, so the dolt Colonel, nose shoved max penetration to political butt licking, chose wisely.
The Colonel is merely a prime example of a Perfumed Prince. In the interest of gender equality, there are many Perfumed Princesses as well. They are NOT merely a characteristic of the Chimp in Chief’s military, but have been home-grown since at least Shrub 1. And by now, they ARE the senior staff. One can only hope that there are enough honorable men and women at lower grades who will actually honor their oath of office. I know that ain’t gonna happen in the “Law Enforcement” ranks.
And by the way John, you might want to actually check who was up to what at Elohim City. You’ll find that the FedPig maggots were neck-deep there. Just as in Fast and Furious. I also give you the Hutaree, who have had most of the charges thrown out by the judge since the REAL criminal acts were done by FedPig and their infiltrators. Of course, four grandpas in a Waffle House were CLEARLY a major threat without FedPig involvement, weren’t they?
As always, the stench is overwhelming.
Frankemm @ 11:32:
re: Kent State: There is some reason to believe that the National Guard were returning fire, or thought they were returning fire—that there were 4 pistol shots from the student side of things, possibly from a student FBI informant.
Nick I think you could be correct on how that happened,but that also demonstrates how easily things can get out of hand in a high tension situation.Hopefully the Army is better trained now days than the National Guard was back then.
I rather doubt that the military has stopped teaching every recruit about the UCMJ and the concept of lawful orders.
If not, what happened to Lt Calley ought to be sufficient reminder to the officer corps.
Folks remember the hurrican in New Orleans. The military was called in. Two units fresh from Iraq were brought in. If you fired on them they returned fire but not blindly. Mostly they were used to keep looters under bay, keep private property safe. I served in the military for 28 years retired in 2008. We talked about firing on Americans and it came down to we follow lawful orders! Each soldier decides what is lawful. We also talked about the John Burk Society and groups like them that advocates violence. Some of us were in Iraq and have a child walk towards us and we get nervious but do not open fire automatice. In Iraq they put charges on children and women because they have no value on life. We did not believe that only really wack jobs would use childer here.
Folks remember the hurricane in New Orleans. The military was called in. Two units fresh from Iraq were brought in. If you fired on them they returned fire but not blindly. Mostly they were used to keep looters under bay, keep private property safe. I served in the military for 28 years retired in 2008. We talked about firing on Americans and it came down to we follow lawful orders! Each soldier decides what is lawful. We also talked about the John Burk Society and groups like them that advocates violence. Some of us were in Iraq and have a child walk towards us and we get nervous but do not open fire automatically. In Iraq they put charges on children and women because they have no value on life. We did not believe that only really whack jobs would use children here.