30yr olds can’t afford birth control.
She’s going to have to put the Georgetown’s Comptroller on speed dial though, after all, before she spreads them she going to need to find out if the payment will be in cheque, cash or credit card.
No, Michelle, she’s not a slut. There’s another word for people who ask for money to have sex.
We conservatives are such pathetic goody-two-shoes Boy Scouts when it comes to competing with the left – they play hardball 24/7, routinely kick us in the gonads, while the referee (the media) looks the other way and says “Play on!”
We are outnumbdered as well as “out-cheated” by the left. We need DOZENS more Andrew Breitbarts (God rest his soul), Rush Limbaughs, Ann Coulters, Mark Levins, and of course Ezra Levants, Michael Corens and Charles Adlers in Canada.
Hahahaa, my co-worker states he would not call her a slut, but he would call her to see if she was available Saturday Nite.
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Fluke testified that 40% of the female student body surveyed said they’ve spent in excess of $3000 for 3 years of birth control.
I have to ask…..where were these horny skanks when I was in college??? Lord love a duck, I don’t think I could have kept up with these insatiable dames when I was “at my peak” during my 20’s! Is it something in the water?
Not to mention, just when do they find time to study? I thought law degrees were hard to get….uhh…apparently so and pun intended!
Planned Parenthook and every secular college in the USA hands out free condoms by the gross. You think Costco has big packaging? I’ll bet Planned Parenthood has shipping containers full of rubbers, free for the asking.
Then again, maybe I’m just getting old and don’t understand the world any longer.
By all means, young naive leftist crusader, take the role of useful idiot in futhering the wealth and power of the big Pharma/big medical industrial complex.
Birth control/abortion on demand has been a lucrative business for the corporate sector of the death cult – selling birth nostrums and follow up surgery/treatment for the various cancers and conditions caused by the butchery and hormonal imbalance of surgical/chemical birth control, copping free “tissue matter” to sell at big bucks into the stem cell markets.
Abortion and reproductive intervention is a corporatists playground and foolish leftard activism just keeps feeding the big machine.
Next she will be demanding we pay for motel rooms.
Just another in a long line of feminazi totalitarians.
Your not funding my libertine sexual agenda at a Catholic school, boo hoo…
So the demagogue comes to a Catholic Univ. and says you have to abandon your traditions cause your dissing me…
Refund her tuition, tell her to bugger off and sign up to her local chapter of Marxist Agitators Univ.
Have a nice day…
Cheers
Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
I find that libertarians are generally less emotional and more rational than social conservatives and progressives when politics enters the Culture war. On this particular issue Reason has a couple of good points:
1)What birth control method costs $3000 per year?
2)”Supporters of Obama’s birth control rule conflate liberty with subsidies, insisting that you are not really free to do something (in this case, use contraceptives) unless it’s free. According to this logic, observant Jews do not have religious freedom unless the government pays for their kosher food, bloggers do not have freedom of speech unless taxpayers buy them computers, and Americans in general do not have a right to keep and bear arms if they have to pay for guns with their own money”
http://reason.com/blog/2012/03/02/does-reproductive-freedom-imply-a-right
Things must have sure changed in the 20 years or so ago that I owned a drugstore. In the early nineties one month of birth control pills was about 6 bucks. Now they say birth control is $1000 per year.
WOW!!
they stopped handing out free condoms at the ‘planned parenthood’ counter ? most dorms had bowls of them, even when I went to college back in the pre-computer days…
guess the girl bemoaning the lack should have gone to this college…
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/03/01/stonehill-college-student-from-ny-suing-school-over-roommates-disturbingly-open-sex-life/
NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) — A college student from New York is suing Stonehill College in Massachusetts, a Catholic Liberal Arts College, saying her roommate’s sex life drove her into a suicidal depression and that the school did nothing to address her concerns.
Web Extra: Read The Criminal Complaint Here
The student, Lindsay Blankmeyer, alleges that her roommate, “Laura,” was “having online and actual sex right in front of her,” according to the court complaint.
“More disturbingly, Laura would have sex with her boyfriend while Lindsay was trying to sleep just a few feet away. Laura would also engage in sexually inappropriate video chatting when Lindsay was in the room,” the complaint read.
“My only question is, how does someone go from being a champion of domestic violence issues to an expert of women’s reproductive health issues?”
Easy. Being a person who cares about domestic violence doesn’t pay as well as being a whore does.
What I want to know is…who’s paying for every baby she pops out while “studying” how to be reproductive?? Oh wait.She’s a leftard,so supports abortion. Damn these questions are to easy when you take of the PC blinders and fight fire with fire.
And a davers6 says….not showing up to protest is a BIG problem with small c conservatives!
Um Lance, at least they go away after you pay them.
the ones that pregnancy trap you for an extra welfare check. for more drugs are another scandal for another day…..
dwright
“Law Students for Reproductive Justice”.
I thought I’d heard it all. I was wrong.
Agree with “davers6”.
Contraceptives and abortion have been credited for their positive contributions to economic expansion in the 20th century. Less unwanted kids meant that mothers could enter the workforce. In addition, they meant lower levels of strain on low income families.
Less babies in low income families, particularly, has also helped reduce crime rates.
Posted by: Davers6 at March 2, 2012 2:09 PM
You are not alone, friend.
I stopped a hippie/OWS/tinfoil hat protest march just by telling one of the roadblock guys that I’ll be back in 15 minutes. Small town + huge reputation (I’m not just an Internet Tough Guy, this is how I talk when I’m angry enough.)
They got on the BC Ferries afternoon ride as far away from me as they could for $15. I am not impressed with hipsters.
dwright
Yes, Tim, but those benefits (in the US) were achieved without contraception and abortion being free.
As a companion to the quote “my right to swing my fist ends where your nose begins” there should be one that says your right to personal freedom ends were my wallet begins.
Yes Tim it’s working out so well for Greece for example.
I believe in access to birth control methods; most people in Canada, the US, and throughout the western world feel the same way. This is not like parts of Eastern Africa, where women are forced into serial pregancies as their sole role in life.
So can anyone explain what the term “Reproductive Justice” even means in the context of our society? What injustice is this flakey woman trying to correct, that supposedly exists at Georgetown or wherever?
It seems like she is an activist in search of an issue, and hasn’t really found one.
Contraceptives and abortion have been credited for their positive contributions to economic expansion in the 20th century.
Considering the levels of national and household debt, they might as well have had the kids and just borrowed the difference.
Women in the workforce created a glut of workers that doubled the paycheques but halved household buying power for no net gains and a loss of mommy value.
Tell you what: I’ll pay for your birth control if you pay for my greens fees. Both prevent conception, but golfing also prevents copulation, at least in my household.
What Davers6 said @ 2:09.
Posted by: Oz at March 2, 2012 4:11 PM
That’s a good point Oz, and not said enough on the threat of “sexism”
These women s Grandmothers got to work in the World Wars. They sucked at the jobs, but loved the pinko managers. Husbands died, pinko managers survived, some of them bred.
Now we have generations of self entitled pinkos. Sired by coward non-workers.
Surprised?
Nope.
dwright
She takes a minor in law and a major in sex. Any where else we would call her a whore.
A thousands bucks a year for birth control?
What the hell is she using for condoms, Goodyear radials?
Listenting to this story on Sean Hannity right now. A caller mentioned that condoms average 20 cents each in cost in the USA. If these law students were to give up their designer pills with the fancy packaging, at 20 cents a pop, a $1000 a year birth control budget will cover 5000 dorm room rendezvous! Wow, everyone gets to graduate magna cum loudly!
As a woman, I take offence to the term slut when describing this young woman. She is wanting money for her promiscuity, ergo, she is not a slut, she is a whore. Sluts are kind souls who don’t expect money for the favors they give out, they share their love and their breasts with any who can win their affection. Whores are money grubbing little witches who expect cash for the favors they give out, they have no discretion and do not seek a union of souls, simply a union of wallets.
Also, 1k per year? How many condoms does she go through in a day?
First lie, she isn’t 23 but 30. Anybody want to bet me dollars to donuts the next lie is that she’s also a lesbian and therefore has no need for birth control, unless of course she is a professional selling on the side, besides being the amateur complainer that she is.
She’s a law student, and she’s preparing well for a career as a lawyer.
Lots of “hitting the target and missing the point”.
Do I agree with her? Maybe. Maybe not. I don’t know what her views are and I don’t really care either.
Do I think she has a right to speak her mind without being abused publicly? Yes. Public abuse is a form of intimidation and any intimidation that aims to inhibit people from saying what they think is unacceptable by any standard of conservatism.
Its that simple.
My problem is her, and the Democrat’s, illogical assumption that birth control is a health issue, and as such, must be funded by medical policies.
First, such policies are meant to cover, not normal across-the-counter health maintenance supplies (toothpaste, bandages, aspirin, cold remedies and so on) but RISK requirements. That is, the collective pools its money to fund the high costs of not-everyday health issues.
If you want your medical policy to cover ALL health maintenance needs, then, you’ll have to pay for it. Since not everyone purchases the same supplies and in the same amounts, then, asking the collective to subsidize the few who purchase a lot – is unfair.
Second, the leftist argument that pregnancy requires medical intervention, and therefore, preventing it, IS a medical necessity, is an empty argument.
You could set up the same invalid and illogical format to say that IF I don’t eat well, I’ll get sick, so THEREFORE, the state or my medical policy ought to provide me with a healthy set of meals.
Third, as others have pointed out, her cost assessment of birth control, at 1,000 a year is, well, it’s quite something.
And finally, couldn’t our society also promote such values as marriage and chastity?
Posted by: Occam’s Razor at March 2, 2012 5:51 PM
“Its that simple.”
Not so sure . When you go public with the revalation that you screw like mink and want public financial support on the cost involved, it seems like you can expect a little blowback.
Geez, I must be getting old. Back in my day we called them French Safes and they all had a warning on them-“for protection of disease only”.
They also made a nasty ring in your wallet because of years of disuse. Had to hide the wallet from Mom lest she see the telltale ring.
@ Occam’s Razor:
Well given that the gal by calculation from posters above has some 5000 trysts per year the only abuse occuring is self inflicted.
The gal is having ‘rutting season’ problems, and more than likely needs a psychologist…unless of course she is simply playing whore to pay tuition. In which case, she is probably selling stock low for dropping her shorts.
Most normal folks find discreet advice but she decided to take it to Congress on national television.
@ ET: I agree, since it’s a Catholic Univ. maybe we should say can I get an AMEN?
Yes, all the diversity you want, except the Catholic kind…
Cheers
Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
“When you go public with the revalation that you screw like mink”
You either haven’t bothered reading the testimony, or choose to ignore it.
She does say that “it can cost a woman” $3000. She does not say “it costs me $3000”. She then goes on to say that that is the equivalent of a summer’s salary for, in her words “students, like me”. Nowhere does she say it applies to her.
That’s not an admission of her private love life. Its merely a statement about the reality of the love lives and costs of students her age.
To illustrate the point. If I have ten dollars of student debt, and I go to testify in front of a committee, and I say that high interest rates are affecting “students like, me”, some of whom have debt burdens of many thousands of dollars, does that allow you to go around claiming I am heavily indebted?
That’s the logic too many of you upstart conservatives are using.
Go read your history books. Learn about the dignity and decency of the conservative movement. Shouting down and name-calling are decidedly progressive traits.
Limbaugh may be smart, but his attitude is a disgrace to the dignified and classy debate standards the conservatives created and preserved.
Let me be clear. Freedom of speech is the foundation of a free country. Abuse and intimidatory practices are best practiced elsewhere. No one is asking anyone to respect other people’s views, but basic conservative decency demands that we respect the other person’s right to express their views on a political matter without fear of being attacked on a personal level for it.
“Well given that the gal by calculation from posters above has some 5000 trysts per year the only abuse occuring is self inflicted.”
Prove it. Show me where in her testimony she says that what she said applies solely to her and not to women in general. At any testimony, witnesses will emphasise the absolute best and worst case scenarios. It doesn’t mean that those scenarios are a part of their everyday life.
She made a testimony in a political assembly and as such deserves to be afforded the same dignity we afford to everyone else who does it.
Attacking her on a personal level, and calling her a prostitute is simply not acceptable.
Again, if a poor man shows up and says “people, like me, die of hunger everyday”, it doesn’t mean that he dies everyday.
Some major logical fallacies going on around here.
I don’t agree with the Senate vote about the funding but I think there are too many people crossing the basic lines of decency here. Lines that were drawn a long time ago and have been preserved as such since, but are now being pulled apart by people who don’t understand conservatism. People who, incidentally, are sounding more and more like progressives. Like the posters you cite.
Occam, all good points.
So?
“Third, as others have pointed out, her cost assessment of birth control, at 1,000 a year is, well, it’s quite something.”
Her testimony is $3000, not $1000. Has nobody bothered reading the testimony?
POint being – you can get that number from any insurance company that provides this type of coverate, including, I suspect, the ones used by the Catholic institutions that oppose this measure (and rightly so). Its a round number based on assessments made by actuaries.
I find it rather absured that people here think she went through her bank account to see how much it cost her – in which case it would be invalid as testimony since its too unique and doesnt mean much. I doubt she even did a straw poll of fellow students. More likely, she called a bunch of insurance companies and did some research about it.
So? So perhaps its time for the denizens of this site to reacquaint themselves with Conservatism.
@ Occam:
No one said the gal couldn’t speak…she can say whatever she wants and did. That doesn’t mean the rest of the world has to accept her ‘values free’ libertinism.
She’s the one who is trying to change the policy of a “Catholic Univ”, to one of regular secular relativism and trying to get others to pay for her self inflicted behaviour ‘risk avoidance’ methods.
If you take up a risky behaviour like sky diving, or in this case mattress diving, don’t ask others to pack your parachute.
Cheers
Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
“That doesn’t mean the rest of the world has to accept her ‘values free’ libertinism.”
I suspect you are too smart to not realize the nuances at play here. How many self-respecting girls are going to go out there and make public testimonies on an issue that is being debated before the legislature, if they know that they are going to be called whores for daring to speak their minds and present their case.
Would any woman you know go and testify, truthfully, in front of a public gathering, if she realised that anything she said would be used to abuse her? You yourself have called her a whore. What proof do you have? If you don’t then its abuse. If people are abused for being brave enough to testify in front of the senate, we have some serious problems.
Nobody is telling you to respect her views. You do, however, have to respect her right to speak her mind, and more crucially, her right to be treated in a civil manner. By its very definition, abuse is the opposite of civility (derived, as it were, from the world civilization).
She is not making the rules. She has her right to express her opinion and leave it to the lawmakers. And she has a right to expect the same behavior that is afforded to others, not abuse.
@ Occam:
“In one of her first interviews she is quoted as talking about how she reviewed Georgetown’s insurance policy prior to committing to attend, and seeing that it didn’t cover contraceptive services, she decided to attend with the express purpose of battling this policy.”
Too cute by half, she is a POLICY HUSTLER you can interpret that anyway you want. It is the Catholicism of the instution that OFFENDS her.
In short, she doesn’t respect the instutution she selected. Rather, she only selected the institution to pick a fight. Thus the gal is simply a POLICY HUSTLER.
Cheers
Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
In a few years she will be advocating for HIV, Hepatitis, last stage of syphilis derangement (already setting in by the looks of it. She’s 30.) and Rights for SEIU/AFL-CIO/CAW/UAW-organized Sex Trade Workers.
“Too cute by half, she is a POLICY HUSTLER you can interpret that anyway you want. It is the Catholicism of the instution that OFFENDS her.”
I don’t disagree.
But how does that make her, in your words, a “whore” who “screws like a mink”?
Last I checked, a policy hustler is not, in fact, a whore, who screws like a mink.
“last stage of syphilis derangement (already setting in by the looks of it. She’s 30.)”
Are you a Dem troll?
Does she expect the Jesuits to hand out free Viagra too? Gotta have sexual equality you know… especially to use up those 5,000 condoms per annum.
peterj suggested ‘she admitted she screws like a mink’. You need carefully make your remark attributions.
I’ve never screwed a mink nor her, so I would’nt know.
Ok now we agree she is a policy hustler or “policy whore” if you prefer.
Cheers
Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
Occam
religion is a personal thing , should be kept as such, so when a damn bible thumper starts thumping, they leave themselves open to ridicule. Like wise f**king is personal and should be kept as such. The bible thumpers don’t ask for the gov’t to buy their bibles, they do so themselves, now you tell me why this fool, and those she pretends to speak for, can’t buy their own bib….erm boot or pills, or just abstain, and if that is too difficult, just “blow”, as I’v yet to see a BJ cause pregnancies. Now I don’t only want this stupid sow to quit asking for tax $$$$ to support entertainment policies,(yes, shared cost through insurance policies is the same as tax, if it is forced by law), but also for her and lawmakers to quit wasting time and tax dollars on debating on sh!t like this
Someone called someone else a slut.
Does that mean we will see a wave of ‘slut walks’ break out across the land as a form of protest?
Occam – my reference to $1,000 was for one year. Ms Fluke was stating the $3,000 was in reference to the law degree period – which is three years.
I agree with your comments that any ad hominem comments against her are beneath the dignity of, yes, the conservative movement. She has a right to speak. My comments – and many comments from others – refer only to the content of her argument.
As many have said, it is NOT a women’s health issue, which claims that a pregnancy is ‘unwanted’ and ‘costs a lot to the health care system’ and so, the woman should avoid it.
But, playing hockey can have disastrous medical results, so, should our medical policies be paying for our protective equipment? Skiing can have disastrous results; should our medical policies be purchasing our helmets? Driving a car…and etc…
That is, a medical policy is not a personal bank account; it is a collective bank account. It is, cheaper and more effective, if this account is collected for RISK health issues for this collective rather than for the daily fitness and social activities of the members of the collective.
Ms Fluke’s argument is logically and empirically empty, because it sets up a structural framework where the collective must fund all activities that can have a physically ‘unhealthy’ result – from hockey helmets, to birth control, to healthy meals to heating your home.
Hope Rush isn’t getting the once over like Letterman did when he called Sarah Palin slutty http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2MvaXBlGg0o
Whaaaaa? Letterman didn’t?