Shawn
I watched that…twice…pink shirt guy is a candyass. Do you think that gang would tackle a man that size wearing workboots?
Very related:
Kind-hearted kingdom: Britons ‘more likely to help a stranger’ than majority of other nationalities
If you see a blind person struggling to cross the road or a mother with a baby whose car has broken down, would you help?
The answer apparently depends on your nationality.
And Britons are more likely to help a stranger than almost anybody else, a study suggests.
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Of the 34 countries in the OECD, Britain came fifth, behind America, Ireland, Australia and New Zealand.
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A blind person in need is least likely to be helped by a stranger in Greece, according to the OECD.
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Greeks showed the least willingness to be kind, with just 13 per cent of people ticking the ‘pro-social behaviour’ box.
Other low-scoring countries were Turkey, Estonia, Hungary and Portugal, where less than one in four people met the required standard. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1376281/Britons-likely-help-stranger-majority-Europeans.html
(Canada was the lowest ranked English speaking country, at 7th)
Yea well, the Liberal left like this kind of dispassionate disassociation around. The more chaos the better for them.
Like I’ve said in several other posts, modern China is a facade; you only need to step off a few blocks of the major city’s “parodies of western society” to see the culture for what it is. I know more SDA trolls will crawl out to say what a wonderful place China is all over again. As I’ve said I’ve spent allot of time in China, Big cities, small cities and rural. The majority of people are nice, but you really need to spend time there to understand what that means in relationship to the culture, Big Brother government, over population and poverty.
We don’t want what they have to offer here, really.
It would be nice if people didn’t try to exploit every horror that happens in another country to illustrate why they hate foreigners. It’s super nasty. I don’t go around point
Are you saying the Chinese have a monopoly on gross negligence and child endangerment? What about the parents here who allow their children to fall out of apartment balconies, or leave their children unattended at home while they go gambling or get high?
Andrew F
Equivalency much?
…or is indifference your bag?
I recall Jurtis Sliwa recounting a couple of incidents on the NYC subway.
A mugger attacked a woman with a knife then withdrew…no-one stepped forward to help her…in fact the mugger returned several times until he succeeded in killing her.
Apparently about 100 were potential witnesses…but only one stepped forward….he claimed those about him restrained him and advised “don’t get involved”.
Another incident on a packed subway platform, a blind man had his dog, shielding his master from the edge, pushed over the edge….the crowd withdrew, and no one helped the blind guy pull the dog back up….then the train arrived.
There is something about crowd/mob mentality the crosses borders, and cultures….which is truly sad….this is obviously not new to have potential Samaritans cross over to the other side.
sasquatch
I had a kid threaten me on the C-train with a machette. Dumb ass flashed it rather than pulling it…I grabbed that stupid prick right by the windpipe and squeezed until he knew it was real…three or four seconds at best.
It’s actually well established that the more witnesses there are, the less likely it is that someone will help.
John & Andrew, you both completely missed the meaning of this posting. Let me explain: one of the core tenets of multiculturalism is that you must never judge another culture in any way. Thus, criticizing any Chiinese over this incident makes you a bigot and a racist.
The point of the post was to illustrate how absolutely idiotic official multiculturalism and it’s supporters are.
I fail to see how multiculturalism is a factor in this story – examples of this kind of callous and inhuman behaviour can be found in many Western cities. This is not an example of an incident that is characteristically Chinese , so why try to stir up the pot by dragging in the issue of multiculturalism?
Sorry, I’m inside China and the government is blocking the news site. Is the story that a Chinese kid was left to play on the street and got mowed down? Are the parents recent immigrants? Traffic here moves at about 6kph in cities, they may have thought it worked the same in western countries.
Knight99, shorter you: “We don’t want Chiense here.” But that’s not what you meant?
China: the most multicultural nation in the world.
Thanks, Robby – you help me learn something new every day!
Whenever I hear the word “multiculturalism” I reach for my pistol!
Canada and the rest of the once Judeo-Christian West are heading in the same direction. Forget personal accountability: let the government do it.
In our schools, we used to be able to read such parables as the Good Samaritan to teach such concepts as “Love thy neighbour as thyself”. When I grew up, almost everyone knew that story. Not any more. With the religious foundation of the West banished from the public square, the “Be nice to everybody” mantra of our schools is so many empty words. Behaviour Codes proliferate—along with a precipitous decline in personal behaviour and accountability. One notices how few real adults there are these days. We have adult bodies inhabited by toddler-like morals: ME, ME, ME, NOW! (OWS provides an “outward and visible sign” of this pathology.)
That poor little girl. Our poor kids, who are being neglected all over the place. Poor all of us. The prognosis for the Godless society is not good. Kyrie eleison.
Robert W: “John & Andrew, you both completely missed the meaning of this posting. Let me explain: one of the core tenets of multiculturalism is that you must never judge another culture in any way. Thus, criticizing any Chiinese over this incident makes you a bigot and a racist.”
Actually, you’ve missed their point, Robert.
You’ve all but admitted that the only reason you’re linking this tragic story to multiculturalism is because you want to exploit the former in order to attack the latter, on the assumption that folks will want to criticize the Chinese but will hold back on fears of being judged bigots and racists.
John, Andrew, and others, on the other hand, are saying that even your assumptions here are wrong — Chinese “culture” isn’t the culprit; examples of callous bystander indifference to suffering are unfortunately universal — let alone your desired effects. With no reason to criticize the Chinese specifically, there’s no fear here of any imagined multiculturalist reprisals.
Incidentally, there is a word for someone who constantly attributes the cause of bad behaviour to the race, ethnicity, and/or nationality of its perpetrator(s). But hey, you’re just talking about Chinese “culture”, so you’re good!
This has less to do with the chinese and more to do with a series of lawsuits against good samaritans by the people the good samaritans helped out. Now people are reluctant to help wounded strangers for fear of being sued for huge sums.
Although I have to say, as someone who has been to China, Chinese streets are far more dangerous to pedestrians than most western ones.
Robert, I also fail to see how this ties in with multiculturalism, even after reading your explanation above. You’re missing the mark here, buddy.
Lookout got to it first.
What else does one expect in a nation where the gubmit is the be-all end-all of everything from cradle to grave?
I have seen similar incidents in Chinese areas throughout Asia in my years traveling there. One that specifically stands out was in a Chinese area of Singapore…while I was riding in a pedicab I saw a man lying near the curb on one of the major roads. He was avoided by those passing by and left to lie there. When I came back by the scene when returning to Raffles some five hours later, the man was still there but now naked. Seems as if someone needed his shoes and clothing.
The STATIST’s are here to make sure we walk around dying babies in the street.
“All cultures are equal” right on que. Hey this is the country that figures when babies die from malnutrition from watered down baby formula; put poison in it to register on some gubmint nutrition scale. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal
The hubris here is humorous. Anyone break down on a Canadian highway lately? Um, yeah. Pretty much the same reaction.
It is now reported that the little girl has died.
Life (especially female life) isn’t worth anything in a country where mandatory abortions and sex-selection abortions happen every day. Life isn’t worth anything in a communist country where religions (specifically Christianity) is frowned upon.
How did the child get away from its’ parents?
Anyone break down on a Canadian highway lately? Um, yeah. Pretty much the same reaction.
~the bear
Pretty much the same reaction?
Not in Alberta or Saskatchewan, champ.
Does anyone remember that shipload or 2 of smuggled Chinese that got caught trying to land in BC a couple of years ago?
When trying to figure out where they would stay while being processed the authorities asked the Chinese community in Vancouver if they could find homes to put them up when a female spokesperson for the Vancouver Chinese community stated, “It is not part of Chinese culture to help people outside of their family that way.”(paraphrased)
It’s cultural folks, get over it.
We had a flat tire last winter on the highway and no fewer than 6 cars stopped to help – of course I have the pleasure of living in Saskatchewan where the people who drive by and ignore you are the minority and the people who stop to help aren’t. However, my cousin in the city happened to stop and try to help some stranger getting the crap beat out of him by several guys and got his nose broken for his trouble.
I see why people don’t want to get involved but the more people who aren’t afraid to get involved, the less people have to be afraid of getting involved. We need to change the mentality of fear and prove that the power of society together can beat those who would threaten us and use force against us. Those people don’t have that excuse for letting that child lay out in the street but, I agree with some of the other commentors here, that could’ve happened anywhere. It could’ve happened here where people seem to care more about stray animals than they do about fellow human beings.
Davenport at October 18, 2011 8:05 AM
Thank you.
I’m against multiculturalism myself, but this post is xenophobic bullshit.
Madman2001 said:”Robert, I also fail to see how this ties in with multiculturalism, even after reading your explanation above.”
I’m not Robert, but perhaps I can clear it up a little for you. Multiculturalism holds that all cultures are equally correct and equally valid. Evidence that this is not the case is unwelcome in such discussions. Witness Davenport’s comment.
Davenport said: “Incidentally, there is a word for someone who constantly attributes the cause of bad behaviour to the race, ethnicity, and/or nationality of its perpetrator(s). But hey, you’re just talking about Chinese “culture”, so you’re good!”
Case in point.
The “unwilling bystander” is a phenomenon which is fairly common in many parts of the world, but up until fairly recently was unknown in Canada. Its still unknown outside the urban wasteland sections of the country where unconscious people bleeding on the sidewalk is a daily sight.
I’d hazard however that a child bleeding on the side of the road wouldn’t be ignored in even the crappiest parts of Toronto/Vancouver/Montreal etc. Somebody would stir themselves to call the cops on their cell phone, at least.
I’ve seen many a passed out drunk in Toronto, I have always stopped to at least make sure they’re breathing right. I’ve been first on-scene at three accidents, one involving pedestrians. I’ve never been the one to call the ambulance, somebody else always managed that and usually before I showed up. People may not always have the presence of mind to make themselves useful at an accident, but they -never- ignore it and walk on by.
Bottom line, “walk on by” is a -foreign- phenomenon, not part of Canadian culture. We don’t grow it here. How much of that do you want to import, Davenport?
That’s the conversation Davenport is uncomfortable having.
Incidentally, losing the “walk on by” urge is something that happens to immigrants when they come here. They see everybody else giving a sh1t and they start to as well. Its called acculturation.
Oddly, Canadians on the whole resist acculturation when they go abroad, and insist on giving a sh1t when nobody else does. Another conversation Davenport is uncomfortable with.
After reading Davenport’s well phrased attack on Robert, and Oz’s paraphrasing of the Vancouver Chinese community spokesman’s statement, I went on line and did some research.
What an eye opener! I wanted to agree with Chesterfield, but my research revealed that he, like most leftists is totally out of touch with the cultural situation on the ground in China and is making accusations of racism based on his own (leftist) prejudices based on what he would like the world to be rather than what it is. He assumes that all people are the same and that all cultures are equal. His sophistry actually proves Robert’s point.
Here is a summary of my research. China’s Confucian based culture has evolved to the point where it discourages bystanders from stepping in to the aid of injured non family members. The current expression of the behaviour is in the fear that when you come across an injured person you, “Better not touch him. It will be hard for you to put it clearly later on.” By “hard to put clearly” they mean you will be hard pressed to explain why you came to a stranger’s aid. Here’s an example, in a claim made by the family of an injured man against a good Samaritan denying he caused the injury, “the court ruled in favour of the family, saying it was most likely that the man was guilty (even though there was no evidence to support this) because “His behavior [of being a Good Samaritan] obviously went against common sense.”
Then there is the question of “insider” and “outsider” in relationships. More compassion is shown to insiders than outsiders. And this is further complicated by public behavior where there are more outsiders. This gives rise to what Western observers would classify as rude behaviors in public, que jumping, jostling, spitting etc.
There definitely is a cultural element to this.
But to me the bigger lessons are what this means for our dealings with China in business deals, military matters and world affairs. Our experience shows that most Canadian resident Chinese have become more westernized and that informs our expectations of the rest of China. We would be well advised to think through our dealings with them in the context of their culture.
Any culture that eats dogs and cats will also let their children bleed to death in an alley.
There are now seven billion people on this planet and means that life is getting cheaper. When you have a lot of something it becomes less valuable.
That’s the problem.
Phantom, Davenport doesn’t do conversations.
Like the Chinese this thread topic is about, Davenport only does drive-bys.
Did anyone see that movie Slumdog Millionaire and the general attitude in India to the orphaned children portrayed in it?
That, my friends, is typical of Asian culture.
trollfos, try to stay on topic eh? Retard Fall isn’t the subject, its the massive fail of multiculturalism to address reality.
To Davenport and other leftist guilt ridden brainwashed twits … It is you who miss the point.
We in the West used to have ‘do unto others’ and ‘love thy neighbour’ policy as a part of our teaching and our life. A nation of people truly interesting in their neighbours well being. That is a form of socialism I can get behind. However state socialism is the bastard.
It is the Statist cultures who changed that by banning Christian teaching and then by teaching that self-esteem and your own self is the most important item in your life. That others are mere satellites orbiting your magnificence. Icky other people …
Obama is the epitome of that self-centred ego driven life. He sets the example …. Bill (full Monica) Clinton also set a brilliant example of denial and self-centeredness after exploiting a very young and naive intern and then getting away with it in a very public way. Nice example there Bill.
In Canada we do not punish criminals, they reward them with all sorts of help and care. We provide safe injection sites for the scum of the earth to come shoot up their heroine or crack in a clean safe taxpayer funded clinic …. after they have broken into a couple of cars or homes to get the money to buy the drugs from the drug dealers who infest our streets ….
We are a society in decline. We don’t even defend out values anymore ….. sellouts like Davenport see to that.
We would be well advised to think through our dealings with them in the context of their culture.
~rroe
True.
I have to say, though, that people need to know and understand the culture of these people first.
Things that are vices in our culture, such as bribery and kickbacks, are not vices in their culture.
That fact alone changes the very meaning of virtue itself(values) from one culture to the other.
the bear compares not stopping for someone with a flat tire to purposefully running over a child, not once, but twice, and then leaving her there to die. Have you watched the video? it is truly, truly disturbing. This is the future of Canada, because they are all potential future Canadians and they are encouraged to keep their culture, indifference towards human life and all, when they move here. Get it yet you chirping monkeys?
“We in the West used to have ‘do unto others’ and ‘love thy neighbour’ policy as a part of our teaching and our life.”
Hah! Yeah, for narrowly defined values of “neighbour”. How many Chinese kids died in Canada from disease and malnutrition, while their parents slaved away building the railroad? How many Indian kids were slaughtered by white settlers? Hell, how many TENS OF THOUSANDS of Indian kids died in church-run boarding schools which they were forced to attend?
You’re full of s**t, and you know it. Or if you don’t know it, then you’re an idiot to boot. Either way, this judeo-christian historical-revisionism bulls**t is ridiculous.
Oz’s reference to Slumdog Millionaire is an even better example than my link to the story in China. In that movie the children are treated horribly, actually beyond horribly. But if anyone in Canada would DARE criticize such treatment of children in India then they would violate the #1 tenet of multiculturalism. Furthermore, it’s not too much of a step to see that identical treatment of Canadian children of Indian descent should not be criticized either … that is, if you subscribe to the flawed principles of multiculturalism.
In a comment on the Alinksy piece, I commented on this phrase: “[Alinsky’s] hate-filled love children”. Alex & Davenport are charter members.
“The “unwilling bystander” is a phenomenon which is fairly common in many parts of the world…”
The Phantom, global anthropologist.
“…but up until fairly recently was unknown in Canada.”
The Phantom, social historian.
“It’s still unknown outside the urban wasteland sections of the country where unconscious people bleeding on the sidewalk is a daily sight.”
The Phantom, firebrand preacher.
“I’ve seen many a passed out drunk in Toronto, I have always stopped to at least make sure they’re breathing right.”
The Phantom, urban guardian.
“I’ve been first on-scene at three accidents, one involving pedestrians.”
The Phantom, hero.
I think it’s safe to say that Phantom can be ignored on 99% of topics, at the very least.
I’m actually pleasantly surprised by the response to Robert. Other than the handful of usual bigots, most comments have been quite reasonable. It’s very nice to see.
Have you ever heard of the Chinese cultural characteristic known as ‘saving face’, Davenport?
That’s what your “disgust and outrage expressed by millions of Chinese over this incident” are.
This globally viewed video has embarrassed the Chicoms.
Why don’t you Google ‘Chinese orphans’ and learn something about reality for a change?
I know others will even if you won’t.
The way the people just walked on by in that video is typical of their cultural reaction to non-family members and is institutionally expressed in Chinese government policy in the treatment of orphaned/abandoned children.
Robert @ 12:03 makes a very very good point. I could barely stomach watching Slumdog Millionaire and the way the kids were treated during that story. Made me sick to my stomach.
Any of you defenders of China here seriously think this would happen in any city in Canada? Any of the accidents or injured people I’ve come accross have had a crowd of helpers surrounding them.
Hell whenever I’ve had a flat tire on a bike path and been fixing it I get asked by nearly every passerby if I need help. Western society is superior in every way to these third world slums. That’s why we have thousands upon thousands who come here to escape them.
The Phantom: “Bottom line, “walk on by” is a -foreign- phenomenon, not part of Canadian culture. We don’t grow it here.”
But on a more serious note, if it’s purely a foreign phenomenon unheard of in Canadian “culture”, then what are we to make of all of the similar incidents throughout Canada and the US in the 50+ years since social psychologists have been documenting and researching the so-called ‘bystander effect’, or indeed of the society-wide callousness and indifference to human suffering — especially of the poor and indigent, including of children — that history has repeatedly recorded among Western cultures for centuries dating back to, oh, to pick a random illustrative historical reference point, Victorian-era England (and beyond)?
I like Canadian “culture” just fine, and I wouldn’t replace it wholesale in Canada with Chinese “culture”, but going the added step of insisting that “ours is better than theirs” is the instinct of an eight year old child.
Places to go…ipads to do…
Or this
http://wvwnews.net/story.php?id=10531
Shawn
I watched that…twice…pink shirt guy is a candyass. Do you think that gang would tackle a man that size wearing workboots?
Very related:
Kind-hearted kingdom: Britons ‘more likely to help a stranger’ than majority of other nationalities
If you see a blind person struggling to cross the road or a mother with a baby whose car has broken down, would you help?
The answer apparently depends on your nationality.
And Britons are more likely to help a stranger than almost anybody else, a study suggests.
…
Of the 34 countries in the OECD, Britain came fifth, behind America, Ireland, Australia and New Zealand.
…
A blind person in need is least likely to be helped by a stranger in Greece, according to the OECD.
…
Greeks showed the least willingness to be kind, with just 13 per cent of people ticking the ‘pro-social behaviour’ box.
Other low-scoring countries were Turkey, Estonia, Hungary and Portugal, where less than one in four people met the required standard.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1376281/Britons-likely-help-stranger-majority-Europeans.html
(Canada was the lowest ranked English speaking country, at 7th)
Yea well, the Liberal left like this kind of dispassionate disassociation around. The more chaos the better for them.
Like I’ve said in several other posts, modern China is a facade; you only need to step off a few blocks of the major city’s “parodies of western society” to see the culture for what it is. I know more SDA trolls will crawl out to say what a wonderful place China is all over again. As I’ve said I’ve spent allot of time in China, Big cities, small cities and rural. The majority of people are nice, but you really need to spend time there to understand what that means in relationship to the culture, Big Brother government, over population and poverty.
We don’t want what they have to offer here, really.
It would be nice if people didn’t try to exploit every horror that happens in another country to illustrate why they hate foreigners. It’s super nasty. I don’t go around point
Are you saying the Chinese have a monopoly on gross negligence and child endangerment? What about the parents here who allow their children to fall out of apartment balconies, or leave their children unattended at home while they go gambling or get high?
Andrew F
Equivalency much?
…or is indifference your bag?
I recall Jurtis Sliwa recounting a couple of incidents on the NYC subway.
A mugger attacked a woman with a knife then withdrew…no-one stepped forward to help her…in fact the mugger returned several times until he succeeded in killing her.
Apparently about 100 were potential witnesses…but only one stepped forward….he claimed those about him restrained him and advised “don’t get involved”.
Another incident on a packed subway platform, a blind man had his dog, shielding his master from the edge, pushed over the edge….the crowd withdrew, and no one helped the blind guy pull the dog back up….then the train arrived.
There is something about crowd/mob mentality the crosses borders, and cultures….which is truly sad….this is obviously not new to have potential Samaritans cross over to the other side.
sasquatch
I had a kid threaten me on the C-train with a machette. Dumb ass flashed it rather than pulling it…I grabbed that stupid prick right by the windpipe and squeezed until he knew it was real…three or four seconds at best.
It’s actually well established that the more witnesses there are, the less likely it is that someone will help.
John & Andrew, you both completely missed the meaning of this posting. Let me explain: one of the core tenets of multiculturalism is that you must never judge another culture in any way. Thus, criticizing any Chiinese over this incident makes you a bigot and a racist.
The point of the post was to illustrate how absolutely idiotic official multiculturalism and it’s supporters are.
I fail to see how multiculturalism is a factor in this story – examples of this kind of callous and inhuman behaviour can be found in many Western cities. This is not an example of an incident that is characteristically Chinese , so why try to stir up the pot by dragging in the issue of multiculturalism?
Sorry, I’m inside China and the government is blocking the news site. Is the story that a Chinese kid was left to play on the street and got mowed down? Are the parents recent immigrants? Traffic here moves at about 6kph in cities, they may have thought it worked the same in western countries.
Knight99, shorter you: “We don’t want Chiense here.” But that’s not what you meant?
China: the most multicultural nation in the world.
Thanks, Robby – you help me learn something new every day!
Whenever I hear the word “multiculturalism” I reach for my pistol!
Canada and the rest of the once Judeo-Christian West are heading in the same direction. Forget personal accountability: let the government do it.
In our schools, we used to be able to read such parables as the Good Samaritan to teach such concepts as “Love thy neighbour as thyself”. When I grew up, almost everyone knew that story. Not any more. With the religious foundation of the West banished from the public square, the “Be nice to everybody” mantra of our schools is so many empty words. Behaviour Codes proliferate—along with a precipitous decline in personal behaviour and accountability. One notices how few real adults there are these days. We have adult bodies inhabited by toddler-like morals: ME, ME, ME, NOW! (OWS provides an “outward and visible sign” of this pathology.)
That poor little girl. Our poor kids, who are being neglected all over the place. Poor all of us. The prognosis for the Godless society is not good. Kyrie eleison.
Robert W: “John & Andrew, you both completely missed the meaning of this posting. Let me explain: one of the core tenets of multiculturalism is that you must never judge another culture in any way. Thus, criticizing any Chiinese over this incident makes you a bigot and a racist.”
Actually, you’ve missed their point, Robert.
You’ve all but admitted that the only reason you’re linking this tragic story to multiculturalism is because you want to exploit the former in order to attack the latter, on the assumption that folks will want to criticize the Chinese but will hold back on fears of being judged bigots and racists.
John, Andrew, and others, on the other hand, are saying that even your assumptions here are wrong — Chinese “culture” isn’t the culprit; examples of callous bystander indifference to suffering are unfortunately universal — let alone your desired effects. With no reason to criticize the Chinese specifically, there’s no fear here of any imagined multiculturalist reprisals.
Incidentally, there is a word for someone who constantly attributes the cause of bad behaviour to the race, ethnicity, and/or nationality of its perpetrator(s). But hey, you’re just talking about Chinese “culture”, so you’re good!
This has less to do with the chinese and more to do with a series of lawsuits against good samaritans by the people the good samaritans helped out. Now people are reluctant to help wounded strangers for fear of being sued for huge sums.
Although I have to say, as someone who has been to China, Chinese streets are far more dangerous to pedestrians than most western ones.
Robert, I also fail to see how this ties in with multiculturalism, even after reading your explanation above. You’re missing the mark here, buddy.
Lookout got to it first.
What else does one expect in a nation where the gubmit is the be-all end-all of everything from cradle to grave?
I have seen similar incidents in Chinese areas throughout Asia in my years traveling there. One that specifically stands out was in a Chinese area of Singapore…while I was riding in a pedicab I saw a man lying near the curb on one of the major roads. He was avoided by those passing by and left to lie there. When I came back by the scene when returning to Raffles some five hours later, the man was still there but now naked. Seems as if someone needed his shoes and clothing.
The STATIST’s are here to make sure we walk around dying babies in the street.
“All cultures are equal” right on que. Hey this is the country that figures when babies die from malnutrition from watered down baby formula; put poison in it to register on some gubmint nutrition scale.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal
Surely just an example of this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect
Hardly surprising in a country so crowded.
The hubris here is humorous. Anyone break down on a Canadian highway lately? Um, yeah. Pretty much the same reaction.
It is now reported that the little girl has died.
Life (especially female life) isn’t worth anything in a country where mandatory abortions and sex-selection abortions happen every day. Life isn’t worth anything in a communist country where religions (specifically Christianity) is frowned upon.
How did the child get away from its’ parents?
Anyone break down on a Canadian highway lately? Um, yeah. Pretty much the same reaction.
~the bear
Pretty much the same reaction?
Not in Alberta or Saskatchewan, champ.
Does anyone remember that shipload or 2 of smuggled Chinese that got caught trying to land in BC a couple of years ago?
When trying to figure out where they would stay while being processed the authorities asked the Chinese community in Vancouver if they could find homes to put them up when a female spokesperson for the Vancouver Chinese community stated, “It is not part of Chinese culture to help people outside of their family that way.”(paraphrased)
It’s cultural folks, get over it.
We had a flat tire last winter on the highway and no fewer than 6 cars stopped to help – of course I have the pleasure of living in Saskatchewan where the people who drive by and ignore you are the minority and the people who stop to help aren’t. However, my cousin in the city happened to stop and try to help some stranger getting the crap beat out of him by several guys and got his nose broken for his trouble.
I see why people don’t want to get involved but the more people who aren’t afraid to get involved, the less people have to be afraid of getting involved. We need to change the mentality of fear and prove that the power of society together can beat those who would threaten us and use force against us. Those people don’t have that excuse for letting that child lay out in the street but, I agree with some of the other commentors here, that could’ve happened anywhere. It could’ve happened here where people seem to care more about stray animals than they do about fellow human beings.
Davenport at October 18, 2011 8:05 AM
Thank you.
I’m against multiculturalism myself, but this post is xenophobic bullshit.
Madman2001 said:”Robert, I also fail to see how this ties in with multiculturalism, even after reading your explanation above.”
I’m not Robert, but perhaps I can clear it up a little for you. Multiculturalism holds that all cultures are equally correct and equally valid. Evidence that this is not the case is unwelcome in such discussions. Witness Davenport’s comment.
Davenport said: “Incidentally, there is a word for someone who constantly attributes the cause of bad behaviour to the race, ethnicity, and/or nationality of its perpetrator(s). But hey, you’re just talking about Chinese “culture”, so you’re good!”
Case in point.
The “unwilling bystander” is a phenomenon which is fairly common in many parts of the world, but up until fairly recently was unknown in Canada. Its still unknown outside the urban wasteland sections of the country where unconscious people bleeding on the sidewalk is a daily sight.
I’d hazard however that a child bleeding on the side of the road wouldn’t be ignored in even the crappiest parts of Toronto/Vancouver/Montreal etc. Somebody would stir themselves to call the cops on their cell phone, at least.
I’ve seen many a passed out drunk in Toronto, I have always stopped to at least make sure they’re breathing right. I’ve been first on-scene at three accidents, one involving pedestrians. I’ve never been the one to call the ambulance, somebody else always managed that and usually before I showed up. People may not always have the presence of mind to make themselves useful at an accident, but they -never- ignore it and walk on by.
Bottom line, “walk on by” is a -foreign- phenomenon, not part of Canadian culture. We don’t grow it here. How much of that do you want to import, Davenport?
That’s the conversation Davenport is uncomfortable having.
Incidentally, losing the “walk on by” urge is something that happens to immigrants when they come here. They see everybody else giving a sh1t and they start to as well. Its called acculturation.
Oddly, Canadians on the whole resist acculturation when they go abroad, and insist on giving a sh1t when nobody else does. Another conversation Davenport is uncomfortable with.
After reading Davenport’s well phrased attack on Robert, and Oz’s paraphrasing of the Vancouver Chinese community spokesman’s statement, I went on line and did some research.
What an eye opener! I wanted to agree with Chesterfield, but my research revealed that he, like most leftists is totally out of touch with the cultural situation on the ground in China and is making accusations of racism based on his own (leftist) prejudices based on what he would like the world to be rather than what it is. He assumes that all people are the same and that all cultures are equal. His sophistry actually proves Robert’s point.
Here is a summary of my research. China’s Confucian based culture has evolved to the point where it discourages bystanders from stepping in to the aid of injured non family members. The current expression of the behaviour is in the fear that when you come across an injured person you, “Better not touch him. It will be hard for you to put it clearly later on.” By “hard to put clearly” they mean you will be hard pressed to explain why you came to a stranger’s aid. Here’s an example, in a claim made by the family of an injured man against a good Samaritan denying he caused the injury, “the court ruled in favour of the family, saying it was most likely that the man was guilty (even though there was no evidence to support this) because “His behavior [of being a Good Samaritan] obviously went against common sense.”
Then there is the question of “insider” and “outsider” in relationships. More compassion is shown to insiders than outsiders. And this is further complicated by public behavior where there are more outsiders. This gives rise to what Western observers would classify as rude behaviors in public, que jumping, jostling, spitting etc.
There definitely is a cultural element to this.
But to me the bigger lessons are what this means for our dealings with China in business deals, military matters and world affairs. Our experience shows that most Canadian resident Chinese have become more westernized and that informs our expectations of the rest of China. We would be well advised to think through our dealings with them in the context of their culture.
Any culture that eats dogs and cats will also let their children bleed to death in an alley.
There are now seven billion people on this planet and means that life is getting cheaper. When you have a lot of something it becomes less valuable.
That’s the problem.
Phantom, Davenport doesn’t do conversations.
Like the Chinese this thread topic is about, Davenport only does drive-bys.
Did anyone see that movie Slumdog Millionaire and the general attitude in India to the orphaned children portrayed in it?
That, my friends, is typical of Asian culture.
trollfos, try to stay on topic eh? Retard Fall isn’t the subject, its the massive fail of multiculturalism to address reality.
To Davenport and other leftist guilt ridden brainwashed twits … It is you who miss the point.
We in the West used to have ‘do unto others’ and ‘love thy neighbour’ policy as a part of our teaching and our life. A nation of people truly interesting in their neighbours well being. That is a form of socialism I can get behind. However state socialism is the bastard.
It is the Statist cultures who changed that by banning Christian teaching and then by teaching that self-esteem and your own self is the most important item in your life. That others are mere satellites orbiting your magnificence. Icky other people …
Obama is the epitome of that self-centred ego driven life. He sets the example …. Bill (full Monica) Clinton also set a brilliant example of denial and self-centeredness after exploiting a very young and naive intern and then getting away with it in a very public way. Nice example there Bill.
In Canada we do not punish criminals, they reward them with all sorts of help and care. We provide safe injection sites for the scum of the earth to come shoot up their heroine or crack in a clean safe taxpayer funded clinic …. after they have broken into a couple of cars or homes to get the money to buy the drugs from the drug dealers who infest our streets ….
We are a society in decline. We don’t even defend out values anymore ….. sellouts like Davenport see to that.
We would be well advised to think through our dealings with them in the context of their culture.
~rroe
True.
I have to say, though, that people need to know and understand the culture of these people first.
Things that are vices in our culture, such as bribery and kickbacks, are not vices in their culture.
That fact alone changes the very meaning of virtue itself(values) from one culture to the other.
the bear compares not stopping for someone with a flat tire to purposefully running over a child, not once, but twice, and then leaving her there to die. Have you watched the video? it is truly, truly disturbing. This is the future of Canada, because they are all potential future Canadians and they are encouraged to keep their culture, indifference towards human life and all, when they move here. Get it yet you chirping monkeys?
rroe: “There definitely is a cultural element to this.”
Question: why are the actions (or lack thereof) of the 18 people who ignored the girl considered here to be emblematic of Chinese “culture”, but the disgust and outrage expressed by millions of Chinese over this incident are not?
“We in the West used to have ‘do unto others’ and ‘love thy neighbour’ policy as a part of our teaching and our life.”
Hah! Yeah, for narrowly defined values of “neighbour”. How many Chinese kids died in Canada from disease and malnutrition, while their parents slaved away building the railroad? How many Indian kids were slaughtered by white settlers? Hell, how many TENS OF THOUSANDS of Indian kids died in church-run boarding schools which they were forced to attend?
You’re full of s**t, and you know it. Or if you don’t know it, then you’re an idiot to boot. Either way, this judeo-christian historical-revisionism bulls**t is ridiculous.
Oz’s reference to Slumdog Millionaire is an even better example than my link to the story in China. In that movie the children are treated horribly, actually beyond horribly. But if anyone in Canada would DARE criticize such treatment of children in India then they would violate the #1 tenet of multiculturalism. Furthermore, it’s not too much of a step to see that identical treatment of Canadian children of Indian descent should not be criticized either … that is, if you subscribe to the flawed principles of multiculturalism.
In a comment on the Alinksy piece, I commented on this phrase: “[Alinsky’s] hate-filled love children”. Alex & Davenport are charter members.
“The “unwilling bystander” is a phenomenon which is fairly common in many parts of the world…”
The Phantom, global anthropologist.
“…but up until fairly recently was unknown in Canada.”
The Phantom, social historian.
“It’s still unknown outside the urban wasteland sections of the country where unconscious people bleeding on the sidewalk is a daily sight.”
The Phantom, firebrand preacher.
“I’ve seen many a passed out drunk in Toronto, I have always stopped to at least make sure they’re breathing right.”
The Phantom, urban guardian.
“I’ve been first on-scene at three accidents, one involving pedestrians.”
The Phantom, hero.
I think it’s safe to say that Phantom can be ignored on 99% of topics, at the very least.
I’m actually pleasantly surprised by the response to Robert. Other than the handful of usual bigots, most comments have been quite reasonable. It’s very nice to see.
Have you ever heard of the Chinese cultural characteristic known as ‘saving face’, Davenport?
That’s what your “disgust and outrage expressed by millions of Chinese over this incident” are.
This globally viewed video has embarrassed the Chicoms.
Why don’t you Google ‘Chinese orphans’ and learn something about reality for a change?
I know others will even if you won’t.
The way the people just walked on by in that video is typical of their cultural reaction to non-family members and is institutionally expressed in Chinese government policy in the treatment of orphaned/abandoned children.
Robert @ 12:03 makes a very very good point. I could barely stomach watching Slumdog Millionaire and the way the kids were treated during that story. Made me sick to my stomach.
Any of you defenders of China here seriously think this would happen in any city in Canada? Any of the accidents or injured people I’ve come accross have had a crowd of helpers surrounding them.
Hell whenever I’ve had a flat tire on a bike path and been fixing it I get asked by nearly every passerby if I need help. Western society is superior in every way to these third world slums. That’s why we have thousands upon thousands who come here to escape them.
// The point of the post was to illustrate how absolutely idiotic official multiculturalism and it’s supporters are. //
Which it doesn’t.
Another view –
http://drdawgsblawg.ca/2011/10/a-tale-of-two-countries.shtml
The Phantom: “Bottom line, “walk on by” is a -foreign- phenomenon, not part of Canadian culture. We don’t grow it here.”
But on a more serious note, if it’s purely a foreign phenomenon unheard of in Canadian “culture”, then what are we to make of all of the similar incidents throughout Canada and the US in the 50+ years since social psychologists have been documenting and researching the so-called ‘bystander effect’, or indeed of the society-wide callousness and indifference to human suffering — especially of the poor and indigent, including of children — that history has repeatedly recorded among Western cultures for centuries dating back to, oh, to pick a random illustrative historical reference point, Victorian-era England (and beyond)?
I like Canadian “culture” just fine, and I wouldn’t replace it wholesale in Canada with Chinese “culture”, but going the added step of insisting that “ours is better than theirs” is the instinct of an eight year old child.