This past weekend, Roy Green had on his show an acquaintance of mine named Amy Alkon:
Do you disagree with Alkon and believe airport security officials have every right to touch you any which way they choose?
If you’ve ever had a similar untoward experience at any airport, please share it.
I had some fun with a TSA Nazi a few months ago. As he started patting me down, I started calling hip slang names for “homosexual” in as many languages as I could remember, starting with Japanese, then Cantonese, then Thai, then Urdu, traveling west around the globe. When I called him a “manuke” (Arabic), he started to look at me trying to figure out what I was saying. Farfalle came close, but when I said “mariposa” he finally figured it out. He said, “What did you call me?” I answered, “Huh? I don’t know. I don’t speak Spanish.” Good thing I didn’t get to English. I might have been in trouble.
Grope my children please!!!!!
TSA the new job destination for peddos world wide, catholic priesthood is just so yesterday.
Peddos can see children naked on a screen and if parents give them lip or decide against it even better!!!!
Gee you hair smells terrific little one. I just have to touch your crotch a few tomes and slide my hand down the rim of your pants to make sure you have no bomb parts sown around your private parts…heh..heh. all the while mommy and daddies stand by like good, dignified, cooperative folks heading for the cattle cars. urging little Timmy and Tammy to let these nice kind people check them out all in the name of safety.
Disgusting.
Don’t those TSA gropers change their rubber gloves between each client?
WTF?
Is there no concern for airline passenger’s safety?
Sexton,
Client is the wrong word. That implies people have solicited their groping. They should change gloves between groping each victim.
El Al is the most targeted airline in the world, and paradoxically, the safest airline in the world.
To achieve status as the safest airline in the world, it should be noted, El Al doesn’t do any of these foolish pat downs.
Which leads us the ultimate conclusion that these intrusive pat downs are just window dressing to give people the appearance of safety.
It’s dumb airport theatre.
The pretense of pretending any of this matters is an insult to my intelligence.
I have to go through the pat downs everytime I go through security. You see, I have knee replacements.The last time I went through I requested the xray but was refused. They were very polite and waited for a female TSA worker to be available. She was very pleasant and explained every detail of what she was going to do and yes it was thorough.I hate this search everytime I want to fly and am incensed when they allow burka clad people to fly through without a glance.We really need to start profiling like the Isreali airlines do.By the way I am a 68 year old Gramma and don’t think I come close to looking like a terrorist.
Thanks, bagadonitz.
I actually edited and changed victim to client, because I meant to imply that all we are trying to do is get from one place to another. I should have left victim in, because those officious stooges are slowing us down and some are no doubt enjoying their opportunity to dominate and molest innocent travelers with impunity.
Every time one of them goes to touch me, I will ask them to change their gloves. A matter of principle; if safety is of concern, who knows what the person 5 minutes before me was sitting on earlier? If they are just using the gloves to protect themselves from us, the great unwashed, what does that say about the underlying attitude?
Maybe we should start to act like is a big turnon to be groped. Lots of heavy breathing, moaning, pelvic thrusts,and outright screaming “don’t stop I’m almost there”. It probably won’t help, but you could get a laugh out of it. The only thing is who will be first.
Sounds like the solution is simple: to avoid a groping, wear a burka.
Would be interesting to know if they have ever detected an actual threat through these poke-and-prods. I don’t mean discovering a stray pen knife or set of nail clippers, but a real threat that could have put passengers and crew at risk.
One would think that if they had ever discovered a real threat, we would have heard about it…
Sexton Beetle. Those gloves aren’t for YOUR protection….
make sure no matter what you generously take Imodium before a flight.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/09/11/f-16-jets-shadow-passenger-plane-headed-to-detroit-3-detained/?intcmp=obnetwork
One day I was pre-clearing US Customs, when these two really hot female customs agents announced that I’d been selected for an enhanced security screening patdown. Sweeeeeeet! But no, they said, they would have to call for “Doug”. Turns out “Doug” is this balding old guy who smells like the water that hot dogs were cooked in.
Sigh.
One day I was pre-clearing US Customs, when these two really hot female customs agents announced that I’d been selected for an enhanced security screening patdown. Sweeeeeeet!
Posted by: turtle at September 12, 2011 10:16 AM
They ain’t pretty they just looked that way…..
eliza
“……I hate this search everytime I want to fly and am incensed when they allow burka clad people to fly through without a glance…….”
We keep hearing these reports of these wave throughs of the very element which is the real object of this security theatre….so much so that the credibility of the reports is high.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot….
What happens when Muslim women are frisked? Do the TSA agents get death threats from the Jihadists?
Or does the TSA practise discrimination and only check white caucasian females?
Was flying through Seattle airport a few months. When I was asked to walk through the full-body scanner I refused.
This required that I get a pat down. The pat down itself was not too bad, but it sure did create a fuss. All processing of other passengers in the line had to be stopped while they looked for the “pat down” person. I guess that’s the person who has been trained on how to feel your body parts.
After about 10 minutes someone showed up, and finally did the pat down.
The whole exercise was utterly absurd, especially since I was about as much a threat to airline security as a stray ant. It reinforces how stupid we have become whereby we allow bureaucrats to let political correctness decide security policy.
Political correctness ended in putting Obama in power, and look how useful that was.
Security as theatre. It makes me angry without feeling one iota safer. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot indeed.
I refuse to fly, to submit to sexual molestation in the name of national security offends me to the core. I could not subject myself to the physical assult, the stasi would be picking their teeth off the floor. To stand there and meekly allow a person to sexually assult me-oh trust me not going to happen.
I refuse to fly in or out of the USA until they stop the groping.
A much easier way to avoid a muslim take-over of a flight is to issue every passenger their choice of a butcher knife or a Louisville Slugger.
He grasped me firmly, but gently, just above my elbow and guided me into a room, his room. Then he quietly shut the door and we were alone. He approached me soundlessly, from behind, and spoke in a low, reassuring voice close to my ear. “Just relax”. Without warning, he reached down and I felt his strong, calloused hands start at my ankles, gently probing, and moving upward along my calves, slowly but steadily. My breath caught in my throat.
I knew I should be afraid, but somehow I didn’t care. His touch was so experienced, so sure. When his hands moved up onto my thighs, I gave a slight shudder, and partly closed my eyes. My pulse was pounding. I felt his knowing fingers caress my abdomen, my ribcage.
And then, as he cupped my firm, full breasts in his hands, I inhaled sharply. Probing, searching, knowing what he wanted, he brought his hands to my shoulders, slid them down my tingling spine and into my panties. Although I knew nothing about this man, I felt oddly trusting and expectant. This is a man, I thought…a man used to taking charge. A man not used to taking ‘No’ for an answer. A man who would tell me what he wanted. A man who would look into my soul and say… “Okay ma’am, you can board your flight now.
I avoid air travel as much as possible. I suggested to a “patsy” that was giving me a grouping in Toronto that he liked what he was doing. He said nothing but you have to be careful or you wont be getting on the flight.
Re: Randy the Romance Reader
I think I just came!
Thanks!
To paraphrase Jonah Goldberg: “If you don’t take your hands off after ten minutes I’m going to complain”
Two words: racial profiling.
I saw a 9/11 documentary last night where they interviewed the airport employees who let the hijackers get on the planes — even though they were late, behaving oddly, and had Arab names. One employee confessed that he’d thought about calling in security to check out Mr Mohammed Atta and his buddy. but he decided against it because he “feared his motive in doing so might be racist”.
It’s true, folks: political correctness kills. And that’s all these TSA gropings are about: tormenting the public at large so as to avoid appearing racist.
The answer is RACIAL PROFILING. Do it.
I suggest everybody get naked. Problem solved.
Or, staightjackets for all passengers?
I don’t fly often, but if I was put through the pat down, I would probably make some lame joke and get myself in trouble.
Airport security frisking is institutionalized sexual abuse premised on the concept that you are suspect of a crime with no probable cause for officials to reasonably assume so – simply flying is now a suspect activity. Of course this puts off my civil liberty alarm bells and the impunity with which these searches are performed has me civilly outraged to the point I no longer fly. If these unwarranted frisking’s were to spread to other public places I feel that my government has officially gone to war with its citizens.
As for police state worshipping morons like Alkon, there are people who have a masochistic relationship with government, but the opinions of such self-loathing creatures should be treated as just so much toxic waste by those of us who hold our civil liberty and constitutional legal rights to be sacrosanct
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Really? A pat down is now considered rape? Or sexual assault? What an absolute slap in the face of any woman who has actually been raped!!
It may be useless and a pain in the ass, but rape it sure the hell isn’t! If it is, then every police officer in North America is guilty of rape.
And being a grandma and “not looking like a terrorist”? The Chinese national who boarded an Air Canada flight wearing an old man disguise didn’t either: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j13t4bkRo5w
Security Theatre is the killer phrase.
Paraphasing a famous outdated saying:
Security must not actually be done; it must only be seen to be done. I got this loud and clear from my NYC-living daughter when she returned home for Christmas in Dec 2011.
NO: there hasn’t been a single terrorist threat foiled from these sexual assaults. And as to the question ‘should they be able to grope you any which way’, how ridiculous! To have even posed this question is to have surrendered.
These sexual assaults should ONLY be permitted if a credible threat were identified and with supervisory permission. But as mentioned above, Israel doesn’t do this. They question you skilfully and look into your eyes, where the answers are.
Israel:
Forget it: there aren’t enough smart people at that socioeconomic level in the US to execute the Israeli methodology.
And the the higher socio-economic level gave us a newly Islamized Turkey, uninterrupted (increased) funding of the PLO, a soon-to-be nuclear Iran, increased Iranian influence in Shiite Iraq, and of course Hamas in Gaza. And now a quickly islamizing Egypt. And soon, a new terror state on Israel’s border.
At Terminal 1 at Pearson airport in Toronto the last time I flew I was pulled aside at security and asked to extend my arms. After a pat down I was told to unbuckle my belt. I complied,, not knowing what to expect and then the male security person pulled the waist of my pants forward and inserted his other hand down to my crotch. I flinched and told him not to do that. He finished and told me to pick up my belongings.
Needless to say I was, and am, pissed. I was 66 years old at the time (remarkably toned so this may have been a case of mistaken homo-erotic lust).
Now, when I fly I warn the security people not to do that and they have complied, so far.
The problem is, of course, you could find yourself on a no-fly list after complaining about such treatment and, unless you have the wherewithal to challenge these minor functionaires, your livelihood and quality of life could be at risk. This stuff is no joke.
We shouldn’t tolerate this nonesense.
Me No
Perhaps if we got rid of the multitudinous layers of low-intelligence “security” we could afford to pay good money for high intelligence security?
The other mandatory El Al rules not followed anywhere else (as far as I can tell): Dual entry cockpit and armed pilots.
Really? A pat down is now considered rape? Or sexual assault? What an absolute slap in the face of any woman who has actually been raped!!
It may be useless and a pain in the ass, but rape it sure the hell isn’t! If it is, then every police officer in North America is guilty of rape.
Posted by: Mercules at September 12, 2011 11:54 AM
Yes it is, if any person off the street touched you or your child this way they would have their a$$ in jail. Minimizing the touching of a child’s genitalia of officials normalizes sexual assault. It is not an insult it is a truth.
This happens in canadian airports too. The only thing that’s better here is the fact that the screeners don’t chose who gets groped so women don’t get selected disproportionally like they do in the US. BTW no matter what if you go through the virtual strip search machine chances are elevated that you will be groped.
The best approach is to spot which lanes have the virtual strip search operating and to select lanes without them. There is a thread on the flyertalk forum which tells you which terminals and gates to use to avoid being strip searched.
Humiliation and control of the population has always been giving the authorities the false sense of security. In reality it is always a symptom of how insecure the regime is.
……or would be that possible that 300 millions sissy Americans are hysterical and panicky just because of handful of cave living terrorists?
How about someone in a full burka, how do they grope all that material? Wonder if they connect the dots and realize where it all stemmed from? Oh, forgot, this is Canada, Trudeau Charter territory, they would be exempt from groping on “religious” grounds.
Sorry, I’m not being politically correct here but dammit I like equality, something we’ve been told we have according to the Trudeau Charter.
Since the patters down wear gloves,I’d ask if they changed them after their last groping.
To date, no one has frisked my while traveling between Canada and the USA. To date, I have seen several instances of -other people- being subjected to treatment I’d have raised hell over.
I think they can tell by looking at me. I do look a bit… Scottish… I suppose. With all that implies.
To my amateur paranoid eye, there’s nothing at airport security that a pack of highschoolers couldn’t figure a way around or through. The entire exercise is designed to slow traffic, annoy travelers, desensitize people to absolutely absurd levels of oppression and get them used to lining up like cattle and following instructions.
As said above, it is not security. It is security -theater-. The point is to make it look like something important is going on, and to procure a great deal of money to spread around among friendly contractors and consultants.
If 9/11 showed us anything it showed us the only defense against hijacking is the people on the airplane. Flight 93 crashed in a field instead of the White House because the passengers attacked the hijackers. The shoe bomber got through security theater, the underwear bomber got though security theater with a fricking escort right to the gate with no papers, and there have been plenty of flights with shady Muslim guys playing musical bathrooms and fighting with the staff. Every time its been the passengers that put paid to the attackers by beating the hell out of them.
If the point of security was to keep the airplane safe, they’d arm all the men on the aircraft with pistols. Arabs/Muslims would be turned away entirely or fly on special flights just for them. With an F-16 escort and a crew of big ugly cops. THAT would be security.
So yes, I agree with Amy Alkon. Airport “security” is a farce put on for the gullible, it is not just a violation but a -gross- violation of the American Fourth Amendment against improper search and seizure, it is USELESS for the stated purpose, and most of all it is 100% police state thuggery of the dangerous variety.
Do not fly. If you must fly, do not allow any of the security monkeys an inch of slack. GEt names, badge numbers, pictures, video, whatever and make the f-ers famous. Sue them. Charge them with assault. Whatever it takes.
And for Ghod’s sake, let’s not hear any more “I’m spoiling my ballot!” shall we? Vote PC/CPC/Republican all the way, and then ride that supposedly conservative representative like a freakin’ mule to get these theatrical oppression policies removed and made illegal.
Bottom line, this here is how North Korea got its start. Push people around long enough and its a short step to the starving and the shooting.
“El Al is the most targeted airline in the world, and paradoxically, the safest airline in the world.To achieve status as the safest airline in the world, it should be noted, El Al doesn’t do any of these foolish pat downs.Which leads us the ultimate conclusion that these intrusive pat downs are just window dressing to give people the appearance of safety.” –Andy
What Andy said. And.. if they absolutely must single people out for more thorough searches, at least use common sense and profile us. This notion that caucasian grandmas are as likely to hijack planes as young middle eastern looking men is preposterous and insulting.
I look like a terrorist. Seriously. I would definitely search me. And I never get searched. And if I were searched, ironically, I would actually feel a little better about all this money we are pouring down the airport security drain, because at least it wouldn’t be so embarrassingly laughable.
“The answer is RACIAL PROFILING. Do it.”
Funny, I keep hearing that Islam isn’t a race …
The Grey Lady said: “Yes it is, if any person off the street touched you or your child this way they would have their a$$ in jail.”
Right on.Grey Lady. I can pretty much promise a person off the street wouldn’t make it to jail, they’d be in the hospital prison ward.
The TSA “enhanced pat down”/grope may or may not meet the technical, legal definition of rape, but it absolutely meets the definition of criminal molestation. This is not a power that can be granted to government agents for use on the general population, and it would be worth a civil war to prevent it.
Is it a free country when a uniform gives some moron the right to grab my @ss whenever and however they want? Some of you safety-oriented Lefty women out there want to think about that a little bit.
Based on the premise that all passengers are potential mules of explosive devices and that we need state monopoly (unionized) airport security governed by multi-culti political correctness, Alkon is wrong.
Those conditions presuppose that the decision to fly relegates customer’s status to that of cattle.
I suspect that with few exceptions, the TSA personnel enjoy the procedures as little as do the customers.
Eliminating state involvement and allowing the private discrimination by and leaving security to private air carriers would solve the problem. No carrier would want to be known as the preferred carrier of the Jihad. Being free to screen for suspicious or high risk individuals rather than everyone would be a business decision no one in the private sector could afford not to make.
Phantom at September 12, 2011 12:59 PM >
Bang on!
I’ve been an Air Canada Super Elite member for ten years running, gold member longer. Last year I cancelled an already booked vacation in Hawaii & two business trips to Houston. No more flying to US period. Am seriously considering shutting down all international flights now as well, although security is still fairly normal and unobtrusive (save for racist Japan, where I’m profiled and searched nearly every trip as of late).
I did ride bike to Montana through BC this summer, with no passport. US customs guy hummed a little and let me though. I had a little more difficulty coming back into Canada because Canadian customs gal couldn’t believe they let me in US without one.
What could I say, a few smiles and all was well.
I avoid flying whenever possible preferring to drive. One of the things I did few times, noting that the gestapo weren’t changing gloves between passengers, was remarking rather loudly that I was a doctor and if I did that what they were doing it would be malpractice and let the security robot know what diseases could be transferred in that manner. Not only diseases, this would be an excellent way to transfer bedbugs. I asked for foot covers when I was asked to remove my shoes pointing out (again fairly loudly) the rich bacterial flora that exists in as heavily traveled areas at airport boarding gates.
This is security theater and also a means of establishing a totalitarian state. What I fantasize about when I take one of my rare plane flights is bringing my knee up into the security goons face as he’s looking for bits of tinfoil in my pant legs and then really start to work on him. What I think I will do is to buy a burka and wear it on my next flight. For the day I’ll be a muslim transvestite.
Another fantasy of mine is the sheeple actually growing a pair and pounding the crap out of the security robots who are outnumbered several hundred to one. Maybe in the US of old, but not in the pussified US of today.
have had the pseudonude treatment in Calgary , I asked to see the picture after and they said it shows up in another room upstairs, so no thrill of seeing yourself under your own clothes
I had a tiny swiss army knife taken in Toronto. they offered to package it and send it to me but I said keep it as it had survived under the lining of the camera bag checks in Calgary, Toronto , London twice ,Tel Aviv twice, Cairo twice and Jordan.
Also saw a full bottle of wine show up on the screen in London and thought , oh boy looks like Im going to lose this one , nope. carried on through without a second look. would have drank it on the plane if I could have had that swiss army knife and the little corkscrew.
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“Funny, I keep hearing that Islam isn’t a race”
It isn’t, that is why racial profiling is needed for all non European races except possibly East Asians when traveling to indigenous white European countries, including countries founded by European white peoples i.e. North America.
This of course will be uncomfortable for many non white European people, which is unfortunate, but at least the lines will speed up in airports and wastes far less resources on Islamic Terror in our nations. All races should be able to appreciate the savings and faster security transit times for all.
Do they run “blitzes” where they grope everybody? Only when the Regional Supervisor is in town?
I flew into the USA from Calgary about 6 months ago. This was after all the publicity from last fall surrounding “enhanced” patdowns. The worst experience was in Calgary, as usual, where a guy put his fingers inside the waistband of my pants and felt around it (if you don’t know Calgary, it’s where the metal detectors are set so high, the rivets in your jeans set off the alarm).
At LAX (twice) and McCarran in Vegas, we had to take off our shoes to send through the scanner with the usual stuff, watches, coins, WWII Lugers, cameras. None of our group set off any alarms and it was a breeze. I was very pleasantly amazed.
Even so, it’s still airport theatre. I won’t fly if there’s another option to get where I want to go.
Sticking your hands down my pants and feeling around my crotch or groping my breasts might not be raped but it is sexual assult, and since I’m not willing to allow the CATSA crew to assult me with full legal authority to do so I won’t be flying. This is what it’s come to, feeling up men women and children so they don’t offend the Islamofacists.
No, Islam isn’t a race. But all the Muslims involved in airplane incidents so far have been Middle Eastern (and male). I’m not aware of any attacks by East Asian Muslims or Caucasian converts. It’s been a pretty narrow subsection of Islam that has been causing most of the trouble, so go with the threat you know. Profiling might haul in the occasional Arab Christian or dark-complected Israeli, but since these groups have also suffered from Muslim extremism they might be more understanding.
But random searches are illogical, inefficient, invasive and offensive. And have never yet resulted in the apprehension of a single terrorist.
Ellie in T.O. >
Everyone is supposed to be searched randomly anyway, only makes sense to knock out the obvious from the equation. That shouldn’t offend those in the high risk groups as nothing should change for them. They do so in their countries already, that is why on entry visas to any of the suspect countries, including many other places like India you are required to list your “Race”, “Religion”, “Nationality”, “Country of Birth” and “Fathers family name”. I’ve done it many a time. Profiling? Only a problem in the idiotic western leftoshere.
They may do it because of Sep 11 to protect people when they travel from all those crazy sick strange criminals who also travel too with normal ordinary people.
I think they need this for enter to government and some area to have body check up if they suspected too.
They have not other choices untill new techonolgy get created to help them, just best thing to cooperate to find better eletrical devices to help it.
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Total political theater for the day.
I live in Vancouver and when we go to Vegas this year I will drive its only 20 or so hours.