24 Replies to “NATO: Learning The Lessons* Of Kosovo”
O’bombo busted: From CIC to private.
H/T O’s Harvard buddy Liberal Count Ignatieff.
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“Obama gets openness award in private”
“WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama accepted an award for making the government more open and transparent – presented to him behind closed doors with no media coverage or public access allowed.
The discrepancy between the honor and the circumstances under which it was delivered bothered open-government advocates in attendance, they said Thursday. They were even more perturbed when they discovered later that the meeting hadn’t even been listed on Obama’s public schedule, so there was no way for anyone to know about it.
“To have such a meeting not be transparent is the height of irony. How absurd can that be?” said one participant, Gary Bass, executive director of OMB Watch, which keeps tabs on the White House Office of Management and Budget.” http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2697748/posts
Please stay on topic.
Indeed, Kate. Get our pilots out of there. And while we’re at it, all troops out of A’stan too. Do we have any in Iraq? If so, ditto. Let’s face it these interventions, albeit well-intentioned, were naive, stupid.
I must say I struggled over Mckenzie Lewis’s view that “we bombed the wrong side” — during my brief flirtation with the neocons. No longer. Then there’s Julia Gorin who has consistently and persistently made the same argument. They were right.
But really, it’s all of a piece. The US started the “War on Terror” while ramping up aid, arms and training to the PLO and therefore indirectly to Hamas as well — on Terrorism’s front porch.
And, um,(erm?) Saudi student visas are at an all time high, exceeding the pre-9/11 levels.
Celente broke me up in an interview with King World News: “six words”, he said, “harvard-princeton-yale-bullets-bombs-banks”.
Hopefully Muanumar can’t read newspapers.
Re “civilians”; if they pick up a weapon they’re no longer civilians. Ghaddafi knows that.
He can hide behind unarmed civilian supporters or force the population (Tripoli) to defend the city.
The latter is going to make flushing him out very very messy. He KNOWS the West has no stomach for that scenario.
yes,yes,yes
Get our pilots out of there.Did we know ahead of time the community organizer was gonna cut and run ?
because if so i would have been gone then.You watch when more bystanders get killed the golfer is gonna point the finger at everyone he left to take care of this sh@t show.
I miss bush.
“Provide heavier weapons” indeed.
And how long will it be until they are shot back at us?
Obambi should come out and tell the world “it’s above his pay grade” everybody would understand perfectly.
Come home Canada, we know it is not NATO managing this, it is the UN, the decision-making is familiar (always too late and wrong) and their trademark stink of failure everywhere they go is on this adventure.
If we are not going to nuke Dar Al Islam, there is no point wasting our children lives. We are going to need every man when muslims’ last day comes.
Cascadian
[………Come home Canada, we know it is not NATO managing this, it is the UN, the decision-making is familiar (always too late and wrong) and their trademark stink of failure everywhere they go is on this adventure…..]
Uh yeah! It was not US command which produced the “Blackhawk Down” incident…it was the US ceding command to the UN wienies…..months of successful food aid traversed Mogadishu with no interference from Aideed, then the UN types sought to sideline Aideed and instead promote his enemies….
Rather than bomb either side in Libya….Bomb Turtle Bay!….NOW!
The Islamofascist’s attacked the WTC, Times Square….but not the @#$%^ UN.
Re: get our pilots outta there and our guys outts A’stan. http://www.debka.com/article/20811/
Seems like our new “pals” have other things on their mind, like Ghadaffi’s mustard gas and nerve gas shells.
This is, quite literally, out of Catch-22. Milo Minderbinder bombed his own side when the Germans paid him to. I’d say that you can’t make this stuff up, but Joseph Heller did.
One problem from Canadian pilots’ point of view: they actually would like the odd opportunity to deliver some ordnance in real operations regardless of the politics or foreign policy.
Why they fly the planes.
Mark
Ottawa
Arnaud Amalric approves of this war!
Why they fly the planes.
~Mark Collins
I thought they flew fighter planes because of the adrenaline rush.
I’m not sure if the adrenaline rush is greater if they drop bombs so much as if they get shot at while trying to drop bombs.
In the case of the French Oil War, they aren’t getting shot at much, but when they are they’re getting shot at by both sides.(although K-Daffy has more MANPADS)
Actually, bombing both sides is probably a winning strategy. A nice bit of conquering and a return to British colonial rule would give the Middle East some much needed stability, and the British taxes would quickly ruin the fat-b@st@rds in Saudi Arabia. They’d be pounding sand by 2015.
Plus, it would p1ss the French off soooo bad…
Wow what a cluster. FUBAR to the max.
I’m a little disturbed that anyone can think that we should have bombed either side in the Balkan Wars or worse that Kosovo’s independence is ‘immoral’. They’re tired of Serbian chauvanism that’s all. Kosovo and Albania are doing well and have bright futures.
Time Canada sent ALL its boys & girls home.
From every pest hole we have been in for 60 years.
Let Europe solve its own problems.
Better our forces are helping Israel. At least they are still a Democracy.
Let the Dictators duke it out.
JMO
Are there two sides? Cuz’ it sure looks like there’s one side and it’s against the civilized world.
Par for the course the west has no real idea what any of this means to the Libyan people.
More proof of the western culture deficiency in understanding the real world outside of the MSM and PBS.
The whole affair is most probably a western government manufactured insurgency, jumped on by tribal rivalries that are the dominating forces of Arab culture.
Win or lose there will be much killing by either Gaddafi or the tribal factions that want the dictatorial power that he stole from them 42 years ago.
I can understand why governments and corporate interests are invested in this, they care only for themselves. The funniest hypocrisy is the left siding in with Obamba because it’s ok for a black man to drop bombs and pick sides in oil rich civil wars. Not so funny are the “conservatives” that only see the short sited removal of Gadaffi and think that this is about some freedom movement, because Obamba told them so.
Mark Collins >
“Why they fly the planes.”
What about a good income, benefits and a fat pension?
Military is good – I support them. The only difference I would like to see is that they standby to defend Canada against aggression instead of forcing us to rebuild third world infrastructure with our tax dollars after we bomb some dilapidated abandoned buildings. Then there are all the refugees and survivors that we are all of the sudden responsible for by default, simply for being there and involved.
We don’t want the UN’s wars because we eventually become a part of their corrupt system of social engineering, laws and freedom sapping constitutions. It is already well under way.
re: Why they fly planes,
“What about a good income, benefits and a fat pension?”
Obviously an answer from someone who has never served in any military. You sign up and get trained to do a job that is directly or indirectly related to the defense of Canada, Canadian interests and allies as defined by Canadian foreign policy. Besides the fact that pilots love to fly, doing the other stuff you’ve been trained to do for real is a rush. Consider it job satisfaction from a job well done.
btw, if I was younger and able to, I’d fly a CF-18 for nothing.
Texas Canuck >
“Obviously an answer from someone who has never served in any military.”
It is. I’m not sure why that sounds like a dirty thing the way you put it?
I do know that I’ve worked my entire life to help pay for the military (with more tax’s than average). Not sure why that would be a bad thing, or does the military run itself?
Do I have a voice in the system and an opinion on the roll of Canada’s military? Why yes I do because I help pay for it after all, along with friends & family that do serve (since the financial backbone apparently does not).
O’bombo busted: From CIC to private.
H/T O’s Harvard buddy Liberal Count Ignatieff.
…-
“Obama gets openness award in private”
“WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama accepted an award for making the government more open and transparent – presented to him behind closed doors with no media coverage or public access allowed.
The discrepancy between the honor and the circumstances under which it was delivered bothered open-government advocates in attendance, they said Thursday. They were even more perturbed when they discovered later that the meeting hadn’t even been listed on Obama’s public schedule, so there was no way for anyone to know about it.
“To have such a meeting not be transparent is the height of irony. How absurd can that be?” said one participant, Gary Bass, executive director of OMB Watch, which keeps tabs on the White House Office of Management and Budget.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2697748/posts
Please stay on topic.
Indeed, Kate. Get our pilots out of there. And while we’re at it, all troops out of A’stan too. Do we have any in Iraq? If so, ditto. Let’s face it these interventions, albeit well-intentioned, were naive, stupid.
I must say I struggled over Mckenzie Lewis’s view that “we bombed the wrong side” — during my brief flirtation with the neocons. No longer. Then there’s Julia Gorin who has consistently and persistently made the same argument. They were right.
But really, it’s all of a piece. The US started the “War on Terror” while ramping up aid, arms and training to the PLO and therefore indirectly to Hamas as well — on Terrorism’s front porch.
And, um,(erm?) Saudi student visas are at an all time high, exceeding the pre-9/11 levels.
Celente broke me up in an interview with King World News: “six words”, he said, “harvard-princeton-yale-bullets-bombs-banks”.
Hopefully Muanumar can’t read newspapers.
Re “civilians”; if they pick up a weapon they’re no longer civilians. Ghaddafi knows that.
He can hide behind unarmed civilian supporters or force the population (Tripoli) to defend the city.
The latter is going to make flushing him out very very messy. He KNOWS the West has no stomach for that scenario.
yes,yes,yes
Get our pilots out of there.Did we know ahead of time the community organizer was gonna cut and run ?
because if so i would have been gone then.You watch when more bystanders get killed the golfer is gonna point the finger at everyone he left to take care of this sh@t show.
I miss bush.
I guess they should have listened to Ron Paul in the first place.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-qm9U3X3EU
“Provide heavier weapons” indeed.
And how long will it be until they are shot back at us?
Obambi should come out and tell the world “it’s above his pay grade” everybody would understand perfectly.
Come home Canada, we know it is not NATO managing this, it is the UN, the decision-making is familiar (always too late and wrong) and their trademark stink of failure everywhere they go is on this adventure.
If we are not going to nuke Dar Al Islam, there is no point wasting our children lives. We are going to need every man when muslims’ last day comes.
Cascadian
[………Come home Canada, we know it is not NATO managing this, it is the UN, the decision-making is familiar (always too late and wrong) and their trademark stink of failure everywhere they go is on this adventure…..]
Uh yeah! It was not US command which produced the “Blackhawk Down” incident…it was the US ceding command to the UN wienies…..months of successful food aid traversed Mogadishu with no interference from Aideed, then the UN types sought to sideline Aideed and instead promote his enemies….
Rather than bomb either side in Libya….Bomb Turtle Bay!….NOW!
The Islamofascist’s attacked the WTC, Times Square….but not the @#$%^ UN.
Re: get our pilots outta there and our guys outts A’stan.
http://www.debka.com/article/20811/
Seems like our new “pals” have other things on their mind, like Ghadaffi’s mustard gas and nerve gas shells.
This is, quite literally, out of Catch-22. Milo Minderbinder bombed his own side when the Germans paid him to. I’d say that you can’t make this stuff up, but Joseph Heller did.
One problem from Canadian pilots’ point of view: they actually would like the odd opportunity to deliver some ordnance in real operations regardless of the politics or foreign policy.
Why they fly the planes.
Mark
Ottawa
Arnaud Amalric approves of this war!
Why they fly the planes.
~Mark Collins
I thought they flew fighter planes because of the adrenaline rush.
I’m not sure if the adrenaline rush is greater if they drop bombs so much as if they get shot at while trying to drop bombs.
In the case of the French Oil War, they aren’t getting shot at much, but when they are they’re getting shot at by both sides.(although K-Daffy has more MANPADS)
Actually, bombing both sides is probably a winning strategy. A nice bit of conquering and a return to British colonial rule would give the Middle East some much needed stability, and the British taxes would quickly ruin the fat-b@st@rds in Saudi Arabia. They’d be pounding sand by 2015.
Plus, it would p1ss the French off soooo bad…
Wow what a cluster. FUBAR to the max.
I’m a little disturbed that anyone can think that we should have bombed either side in the Balkan Wars or worse that Kosovo’s independence is ‘immoral’. They’re tired of Serbian chauvanism that’s all. Kosovo and Albania are doing well and have bright futures.
Time Canada sent ALL its boys & girls home.
From every pest hole we have been in for 60 years.
Let Europe solve its own problems.
Better our forces are helping Israel. At least they are still a Democracy.
Let the Dictators duke it out.
JMO
Are there two sides? Cuz’ it sure looks like there’s one side and it’s against the civilized world.
Par for the course the west has no real idea what any of this means to the Libyan people.
More proof of the western culture deficiency in understanding the real world outside of the MSM and PBS.
The whole affair is most probably a western government manufactured insurgency, jumped on by tribal rivalries that are the dominating forces of Arab culture.
Win or lose there will be much killing by either Gaddafi or the tribal factions that want the dictatorial power that he stole from them 42 years ago.
I can understand why governments and corporate interests are invested in this, they care only for themselves. The funniest hypocrisy is the left siding in with Obamba because it’s ok for a black man to drop bombs and pick sides in oil rich civil wars. Not so funny are the “conservatives” that only see the short sited removal of Gadaffi and think that this is about some freedom movement, because Obamba told them so.
Mark Collins >
“Why they fly the planes.”
What about a good income, benefits and a fat pension?
Military is good – I support them. The only difference I would like to see is that they standby to defend Canada against aggression instead of forcing us to rebuild third world infrastructure with our tax dollars after we bomb some dilapidated abandoned buildings. Then there are all the refugees and survivors that we are all of the sudden responsible for by default, simply for being there and involved.
We don’t want the UN’s wars because we eventually become a part of their corrupt system of social engineering, laws and freedom sapping constitutions. It is already well under way.
re: Why they fly planes,
“What about a good income, benefits and a fat pension?”
Obviously an answer from someone who has never served in any military. You sign up and get trained to do a job that is directly or indirectly related to the defense of Canada, Canadian interests and allies as defined by Canadian foreign policy. Besides the fact that pilots love to fly, doing the other stuff you’ve been trained to do for real is a rush. Consider it job satisfaction from a job well done.
btw, if I was younger and able to, I’d fly a CF-18 for nothing.
Texas Canuck >
“Obviously an answer from someone who has never served in any military.”
It is. I’m not sure why that sounds like a dirty thing the way you put it?
I do know that I’ve worked my entire life to help pay for the military (with more tax’s than average). Not sure why that would be a bad thing, or does the military run itself?
Do I have a voice in the system and an opinion on the roll of Canada’s military? Why yes I do because I help pay for it after all, along with friends & family that do serve (since the financial backbone apparently does not).