The warming of the past half dozen decades is nothing … absolutely nothing when compared to the massive shifts that have occured during the past 25,000 years:
But what about the magnitude and rates of climates change? How do past temperature oscillations compare with recent global warming (1977-1998) or with warming periods over the past millennia. The answer to the question of magnitude and rates of climate change can be found in the δ18O and borehole temperature data.
I would tend to agree but the high level statement but the problem is we are operating in a situation much closer to the margin in terms of population/environment impacts. With 25 thousand years ago (16 billion today vs what 100K then tops?) than today The argument seems relatively specious and is trying to compare apples to oranges.
Any given climate affect todays affects significantly (almost infinitely) affects more people that it did then (in absolute terms though maybe not in relative terms).
Even given technology shifts and possible relief options I’m not sure that this point holds any substance what so ever.
Democrats blocking investigation of Michel Mann. Claim it is politically motivated
http://tinyurl.com/6jlvemv
Speedy
[…….Democrats blocking investigation of Michel Mann. Claim it is politically motivated……..]
Probably correct. Mann’s “hockey stick” was not climate science but rather politically motivated propaganda. An artifact not a scientific study.
Nail his **ts to a stump and shove him off backwards.
Whenever I hear climate change, co2 reductions,icesheets disappearing, I change the channel.
Obviously they relied upon old data, recently discredited.To say nothing about competely twisted, reworked, unrecognisable “datasets”.
Love that WWW.
I heard a guy on CKNW980 voicing his support regarding a smoking ban in park.
He said this.
“I cycle a lot and I was cycling up a hill and passed a guy who was walking down the street smoking a cigar and it just about knocked me out.”
With a society crowded with shrinking violets of this sort, I can well imagine how a bit more heat or a bit more cold or a bit more rain would be enough to panic wimps like that guy on his bicycle.
To the frail waif on his bike I ask … How does the exhaust from all the cars on the street affect you when you are saving the planet on your bike?
“The meek shall inherit the earth, but they won’t hang on to it for long” – Frank Zappa
It’s all bullshit with a phony cause and nothing more.
Peter O’Donnell are you out there some place?
It’s colder than a witches twat here in Eastern Ontario…just as you warned/forecast weeks ago.
Thanks for the heads up!
re. Abe Froman – I actually think cyclists are a huge manace and should not be on the road. Bicycles are not visible enough or fast enough to share road with cars. They are always sneaking into your blindspot. Their maneuverability is actually a negative bacause you never know where the b@stard things have gotten to.
If you must cycle, stay on the sidewalk. It looks dorky, but thems the breaks.
Sorry, that was off-topic. I am cold and “Climate Instability” is clearly a massive scam.
BTW, ever wonder why you never hear about “acid rain” or “the rain forests” or “the ozone layer” anymore? Even “extinction” – aside from poley-bears, they seemed to have stopped shrieking about that one. I think these eco-people are just amoral grant-grubbing frauds and/or socialist emotional cripples.
So with rapid changes of temperatures like that, I guess that rules out any earthly forcing of climate change.
Gee, I wonder what could have been causing it then?
Oh well, we’ll just have to keep looking I guess.
Very interesting data which shows that the earth is prone to sudden climactic alterations. The only good thing that the AGW cultists have done is to make more people aware of the social effects of climatic change. Ice ages and the current world population don’t go very well together.
AGW is just another instantiation of anthropocentrism differing little from primitive beliefs where breaking certain taboos was thought to be the cause of crop failures. It’s pathologic egotism just like the psychotic patients I see who believe that they’ve caused various natural disasters by sneezing or that their televisions are talking to them.
What is becoming very clear is that our current hospitable terrestial climate may be a very fleeting period in geologic time and that we have potentially only a few decades to increase human energy production to a point where we really could influence the climate if necessary. What we’re doing instead is deindustrializing and leaving ourselves open to massive starvation should we get another little ice age. Maybe it’s Gaia’s way of restarting the intelligent mammal program as she hadn’t counted on anti-technologic lunatics to be such a problem in her plan to see what’s going on in the solar system through tool using animals. Another ice age would be a very quick way of speeding up evolution and ridding the human race of many dangerous traits.
I didn’t give much thought to the weather before AGW hysteria started and quickly realized the technophobic direction that societies were going. I have no problem funding programs which look for potential dinosaur killer asteroids and means to divert them from earth. I want nuclear reactors in my back yard and would be happy to have my tax dollars fund research into low energy nuclear reactions (LENR, previously known as cold fusion). LENR is potentially a way of quickly burning up reactor radioactive waste and I’d love to have my own LENR power plant providing me with power in my house as distributed power sources are far more robust than the current continent sized antenna just waiting to be burnt out by the next Carrington event or a high-altitude Iranian nuclear blast.
We live in a perverse universe and the way to deal with it is through crash programs to develop various technologies to ensure human survival. That means getting a human presence in space and being able to actually control the worlds climate should it become necessary. We could create reservations for the greenies and charge people admission so they could watch people living “sustainably”.
Black Mamba, the thing about these frauds is that they can’t let things fall down the memory hole anymore. Sucks to be them.
BTW, in Alberta, bicycles are considered motor vehicles. It is illegal to ride a bicycle on the sidewalk (although a blind eye is turned to small children riding on sidewalks), and bikes must obey all the rules of the road.
We now return you to the original topic, the decisive blow to AGW.
Heh, loki reminds me of that crazy Dreyfus in the Pink Panther. Maybe psychoactive drugs or talking televisions…
And if you wish to see a much longer temperature time-line, see here:
http://joannenova.com.au/2010/02/the-big-picture-65-million-years-of-temperature-swings/
Sue Baby Sue
The next thing lawyers may go after is climate.
Price Of Junk Science
Global Warming: After the 1998 tobacco deal, many wondered where the next battleground for the shakedown lawyers would be. Few wonder now. The legal war over climate change is heating up — and it’ll be costly.
The $246 billion tobacco settlement, reached by 46 state attorneys general and the tobacco industry, was not designed to improve public health. It was simply a way to line lawyers’ pockets and create a slush fund for lawmakers.
Private plaintiffs’ lawyers took in $8.2 billion in legal fees, and states have spent their share of the funds on items unconnected to tobacco-related illnesses and anti-smoking education.
It was, as we said a few years ago, “a naked cash grab.”
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/560755/201101241859/Price-Of-Junk-Science.htm