Power corrupts. Time wounds all heels. The longer people are in contact with the levers of government the more they become enchanted with the fantasy that government is the answer to every question. The Harper CINOs are no exception. Perhaps things might have been different if he had had a majority at some point instead of having to weigh every decision from a political instead of principle position. Sigh.
Yes, sad to watch…but not unexpected. Who’s left??
The difficulty of the “must take a political approach” is it supposes Canadians are not intelligent. I recognize the progressive bias of the media, but I cannot continue to accept the premise we must have a majority to effect change.
My support is flagging, a true political leader must be a communicator. If this is difficult then the communicator must be either become better or develop a plan to change the bias, trusting the message is correct and the Canadian citizen can be reached. Cheers;
It’s not a choice between all the others and some perfect political candidate, it’s a choice between the lesser of evils. Always has been, always will be.
If anyone is waiting around for conservatopia, it’s not going to happen anytime soon. The left has too many hands on the levers of power (media, judiciary etc). The best we can hope for is damage control.
“It’s time we stopped treating voters like children.” ~ Chris Christie
Move forward.
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What grok said.
The system itself is flawed. Judges are appointed and then decide policy. Special interest groups wield great power. The Liberals are just awful.
Ah yes, the ol’ Red team/Blue team arguments. “It’s okay when we do it cause we do it for righteous reasons” or, if that is unpalatable then, “aha, they did it, too”.
These arguments are great cause they are how you tell the difference between principled conservatives and the partisan hacks. Useful to know who actually has your back and who just wants the guys wearing the right jerseys to win.
Canadian are still waiting:
For the CLPOC to repay the $40 million stolen in the Sponsorship scandal. A couple of arrests, won’y cut it.
And didja hear about the Liberal solicitor general who forged his whores husbands signature, to facilitate aborting HIS love child? Some pieces of work those Libranno c^nts…
Sigh.
🙁
All politicians are scum … eventually.
Politicians. The original whores.
grok @ 1:18: too bad, but yup.
The alternatives are exponentially worse.
Q: “Yes, sad to watch…but not unexpected. Who’s left??” posted by Pongo
A: Everybody else is left…oh THAT left, as in REMAINS. Well, if we keep going down this road that’s all that will be left – remains.
Confusing, isn’t it?
No real conservative initiatives can be passed in the current Parliament, nor is there much hope of this in the near future. ‘The Federal Accountabilities Act’ changes that he is talking about most likely would not be passed with all Opposition parties voting against the CPC (trained seals). Look at their attempts to reform the senate, cancel the Gun Registry, and stop political party subsidies. All land mined by the Liberal/NDP/Bloc Coalition.
Conservative supporters are frustrated and wringing their hands because Stephen Harper is not being conservative enough. Well, that’s right he can’t be conservative because he has both hands tied behind his back. But to whom will you shift your support? Will you stop voting for the party that at least talks like conservatives in favour of those who sound like socialists?
As grok said, we need to stop comparing Harper and the CPC to some perfect ideological conservative government with majority powers.
And no, there is no mythological Conservative leader that is a “Communicator” who will suddenly make the Opposition parties to see the error of their ways. No Conservative leader will make Gilles Duceppe see that his party has no place in Parliament. You can’t find common ground with the Liberals because they are ideological enemies… oh sure you can pass some wishy-washy, mushy legislation that means nothing and the Liberals will either vote with the CPC or abstain, but who cares really. The Liberals can’t even agree that career criminals who repeatedly commit violent crimes should stay in jail! The CPC propose meaningful, conservative legislation and the Opposition use their coalition to stop it. A majority IS needed.
The Bloc is the dog whichg wags the Canadian dog.
Majority governments are in practice an impossiblity…regardless of party.
You have to have principles that form a line in the sand. You can curve that line to some degree from time to time. As some have suggested choices need to be made but I feel that since that video of 2006 too many curves have been made to my liking.
what grok said is right – but there is no reason that true conservatives can’t be a special interest group always thrusting to have thier needs met just like the rest of the voting population
harper and the rest of the pragmatists have to stand for something or else they’ll fall into the trap of running the country by poll just like their predecessors
when election time comes, they’ll have to stake out some broadly appealing conservative values. with what has been happening with the mistakes made over the last few months I can’t help but wonder if they aren’t testing things like “less government in your daily life (abolition of long form census)” stronger Canadian nation (the north and the new fighters), other basic core values like that. then they’ll add in something that won’t be too offensive to their base and will be attractive to the rest of canada. “We are environmentally friendly and will do the same as the US or act in a socially responsible environmental manner (a la Levant)”
i could see myself holding my nose and voting for them as the least harmful alternative
“You have to have principles that form a line in the sand.”
That’s the key.
And then, lay out policy based upon those principles.
Give it a name.
Stick to it.
for example: Maple Leaf Tea Party
It will grow.
After all, it’s what we’re looking for, isn’t it?
As grok said, we need to stop comparing Harper and the CPC to some perfect ideological conservative government with majority powers.
I’m not comparing Harper’s CPC to perfection.
But I suggest comparing him to Mulroney.
That would be fitting because Mulroney is looking more conservative than Harper by just about every meter and we Albertan’s scrapped Mulroney’s Progressive Conservatives for less than what Harper has done over smaller issues.
Either Harper starts to show some BLUE or it’s time to consider building a new party from the ground up.
Is getting some accountability too much too ask for?
I know Quebec is corrupt through and through but it seems that accountability would be something that Harper could either get some multiparty support for or could at least make the opposition look very bad for refusing support on.
What’s all this, then? SDA contributors criticizing the Conservative party? How can this be?
After all, didn’t “beagle” et al say that we were all knuckle-dragging, single-minded fools who mindlessly support the CPC no matter what?! And yet.. and yet.. lawsy, I’m comfused!
And??
When PMSH and the Conservatives deserve to be criticized, they will get no sympathy here. Most contributors to this site recognize bad behaviour when they see it, regardless of political party. The reason that the Liberals and the NDP get lambasted hard and often is very simple …. they deserve it.
As for “beagle et al”, they are simply trolls with too much time on their hands. Much like chimpanzees flinging excrement about.
Harper’s job is to push governance to the right as far as public opinion will allow. Our job is to push public opinion to the right far enough to allow for good governance.
It is not Harper who is failing at his job.
Surely a conservative agenda should not “push governance” in a direction that includes say, borrowing money to build hockey rinks. Perhaps you have your definition of ‘conservative’ confused.
Too much spending power presently rests in the PMO’s office. It could be a yoga spa if a coalition is born.
Maybe the best way to place governance back on a Conservative path is via a public nudge with #2 Maple Leaf Tea Party Policy:
‘All elected Members will have access to and will be able to participate in redesigning the Spending Estimates process so that majority $$power no longer lies in the PMO’s office.’
Harper’s job is to push governance to the right as far as public opinion will allow.
It is not Harper who is failing at his job.
Had you heard about the incandescent light bulb ban by the Harper regime?
That’s just one example of a free giveaway to the Left.
Yes, Harper is failing at his job.
How are we to push public opinion to the right when Harper is pulling intrusive collectivist claptrap such as that?
Saying the Liberals are going to be worse if they get in isn’t an endorsement for Harper.
If Harper doesn’t prove he can be better he can always get worse too.
Having that SSM vote in 2007, with a minority government and the opposition composed of the same people who had rammed SSM through, was another giveaway to the Left and a slap in the face to the Right base.
#3 Maple Leaf Tea Party Policy:
“In order to reduce the deficit, all MPs will be polled, during the pre-election period to support a Parliamentary motion, with votes recorded, to reduce their salaries by 10% and their benefits by 25%, effective immediately.”
Fiscal responsibility begins at the top, doesn’t it.
: rroe
I hope your right. QWhat dismays me that most folks have not mentioned is the fact between Ezra Levant & Mark Steyn, Kate , Kathy, BCF, & many others handed the Conservatives .The CHRC on a platter. Even the opposition was getting angry with the Inquisition. What was the response? The same as the fascist left.
They gave it more money than strengthened it.
The Provinces followed suit.
This abomination to any Democracy is stamped approved by Harper & company.
Thats whats got me upset. The duplicity! These are CINO period. Your right as well folks there is no alternative. A slow decline under pseudo-conservatives, or a main crash with the Liberals. A total surrender to Islamics if the NDP.
So you have 3 choices really.
1) Statism with a slow dying
2) Tyranny than economic crash
3) Soviet-ism with the state in every orifice of your life.
JMO
Fourth Choice:
You moan.
Design a grassroots Conservative policy benchmark alternative online. It’s inexpensive, transparent, inclusive, and becomes probingly revealing.
Power corrupts. Time wounds all heels. The longer people are in contact with the levers of government the more they become enchanted with the fantasy that government is the answer to every question. The Harper CINOs are no exception. Perhaps things might have been different if he had had a majority at some point instead of having to weigh every decision from a political instead of principle position. Sigh.
Yes, sad to watch…but not unexpected. Who’s left??
The difficulty of the “must take a political approach” is it supposes Canadians are not intelligent. I recognize the progressive bias of the media, but I cannot continue to accept the premise we must have a majority to effect change.
My support is flagging, a true political leader must be a communicator. If this is difficult then the communicator must be either become better or develop a plan to change the bias, trusting the message is correct and the Canadian citizen can be reached. Cheers;
It’s not a choice between all the others and some perfect political candidate, it’s a choice between the lesser of evils. Always has been, always will be.
If anyone is waiting around for conservatopia, it’s not going to happen anytime soon. The left has too many hands on the levers of power (media, judiciary etc). The best we can hope for is damage control.
“It’s time we stopped treating voters like children.” ~ Chris Christie
Move forward.
#1 Suggested Policy for Unborn Maple Leaf Tea Party:
1. All Information, with the exception of national security issues, shall be posted on a categoriized ATI website. No fees for web access.
Information shall be posted current. Sensitivity issues will be handled similar to http://www.sedar.com
What grok said.
The system itself is flawed. Judges are appointed and then decide policy. Special interest groups wield great power. The Liberals are just awful.
Ah yes, the ol’ Red team/Blue team arguments. “It’s okay when we do it cause we do it for righteous reasons” or, if that is unpalatable then, “aha, they did it, too”.
These arguments are great cause they are how you tell the difference between principled conservatives and the partisan hacks. Useful to know who actually has your back and who just wants the guys wearing the right jerseys to win.
Canadian are still waiting:
For the CLPOC to repay the $40 million stolen in the Sponsorship scandal. A couple of arrests, won’y cut it.
And didja hear about the Liberal solicitor general who forged his whores husbands signature, to facilitate aborting HIS love child? Some pieces of work those Libranno c^nts…
Sigh.
🙁
All politicians are scum … eventually.
Politicians. The original whores.
grok @ 1:18: too bad, but yup.
The alternatives are exponentially worse.
Q: “Yes, sad to watch…but not unexpected. Who’s left??” posted by Pongo
A: Everybody else is left…oh THAT left, as in REMAINS. Well, if we keep going down this road that’s all that will be left – remains.
Confusing, isn’t it?
No real conservative initiatives can be passed in the current Parliament, nor is there much hope of this in the near future. ‘The Federal Accountabilities Act’ changes that he is talking about most likely would not be passed with all Opposition parties voting against the CPC (trained seals). Look at their attempts to reform the senate, cancel the Gun Registry, and stop political party subsidies. All land mined by the Liberal/NDP/Bloc Coalition.
Conservative supporters are frustrated and wringing their hands because Stephen Harper is not being conservative enough. Well, that’s right he can’t be conservative because he has both hands tied behind his back. But to whom will you shift your support? Will you stop voting for the party that at least talks like conservatives in favour of those who sound like socialists?
As grok said, we need to stop comparing Harper and the CPC to some perfect ideological conservative government with majority powers.
And no, there is no mythological Conservative leader that is a “Communicator” who will suddenly make the Opposition parties to see the error of their ways. No Conservative leader will make Gilles Duceppe see that his party has no place in Parliament. You can’t find common ground with the Liberals because they are ideological enemies… oh sure you can pass some wishy-washy, mushy legislation that means nothing and the Liberals will either vote with the CPC or abstain, but who cares really. The Liberals can’t even agree that career criminals who repeatedly commit violent crimes should stay in jail! The CPC propose meaningful, conservative legislation and the Opposition use their coalition to stop it. A majority IS needed.
The Bloc is the dog whichg wags the Canadian dog.
Majority governments are in practice an impossiblity…regardless of party.
You have to have principles that form a line in the sand. You can curve that line to some degree from time to time. As some have suggested choices need to be made but I feel that since that video of 2006 too many curves have been made to my liking.
what grok said is right – but there is no reason that true conservatives can’t be a special interest group always thrusting to have thier needs met just like the rest of the voting population
harper and the rest of the pragmatists have to stand for something or else they’ll fall into the trap of running the country by poll just like their predecessors
when election time comes, they’ll have to stake out some broadly appealing conservative values. with what has been happening with the mistakes made over the last few months I can’t help but wonder if they aren’t testing things like “less government in your daily life (abolition of long form census)” stronger Canadian nation (the north and the new fighters), other basic core values like that. then they’ll add in something that won’t be too offensive to their base and will be attractive to the rest of canada. “We are environmentally friendly and will do the same as the US or act in a socially responsible environmental manner (a la Levant)”
i could see myself holding my nose and voting for them as the least harmful alternative
“You have to have principles that form a line in the sand.”
That’s the key.
And then, lay out policy based upon those principles.
Give it a name.
Stick to it.
for example: Maple Leaf Tea Party
It will grow.
After all, it’s what we’re looking for, isn’t it?
As grok said, we need to stop comparing Harper and the CPC to some perfect ideological conservative government with majority powers.
I’m not comparing Harper’s CPC to perfection.
But I suggest comparing him to Mulroney.
That would be fitting because Mulroney is looking more conservative than Harper by just about every meter and we Albertan’s scrapped Mulroney’s Progressive Conservatives for less than what Harper has done over smaller issues.
Either Harper starts to show some BLUE or it’s time to consider building a new party from the ground up.
Is getting some accountability too much too ask for?
I know Quebec is corrupt through and through but it seems that accountability would be something that Harper could either get some multiparty support for or could at least make the opposition look very bad for refusing support on.
What’s all this, then? SDA contributors criticizing the Conservative party? How can this be?
After all, didn’t “beagle” et al say that we were all knuckle-dragging, single-minded fools who mindlessly support the CPC no matter what?! And yet.. and yet.. lawsy, I’m comfused!
And??
When PMSH and the Conservatives deserve to be criticized, they will get no sympathy here. Most contributors to this site recognize bad behaviour when they see it, regardless of political party. The reason that the Liberals and the NDP get lambasted hard and often is very simple …. they deserve it.
As for “beagle et al”, they are simply trolls with too much time on their hands. Much like chimpanzees flinging excrement about.
Harper’s job is to push governance to the right as far as public opinion will allow. Our job is to push public opinion to the right far enough to allow for good governance.
It is not Harper who is failing at his job.
Surely a conservative agenda should not “push governance” in a direction that includes say, borrowing money to build hockey rinks. Perhaps you have your definition of ‘conservative’ confused.
Too much spending power presently rests in the PMO’s office. It could be a yoga spa if a coalition is born.
Maybe the best way to place governance back on a Conservative path is via a public nudge with #2 Maple Leaf Tea Party Policy:
‘All elected Members will have access to and will be able to participate in redesigning the Spending Estimates process so that majority $$power no longer lies in the PMO’s office.’
Harper’s job is to push governance to the right as far as public opinion will allow.
It is not Harper who is failing at his job.
Had you heard about the incandescent light bulb ban by the Harper regime?
That’s just one example of a free giveaway to the Left.
Yes, Harper is failing at his job.
How are we to push public opinion to the right when Harper is pulling intrusive collectivist claptrap such as that?
Saying the Liberals are going to be worse if they get in isn’t an endorsement for Harper.
If Harper doesn’t prove he can be better he can always get worse too.
Having that SSM vote in 2007, with a minority government and the opposition composed of the same people who had rammed SSM through, was another giveaway to the Left and a slap in the face to the Right base.
#3 Maple Leaf Tea Party Policy:
“In order to reduce the deficit, all MPs will be polled, during the pre-election period to support a Parliamentary motion, with votes recorded, to reduce their salaries by 10% and their benefits by 25%, effective immediately.”
Fiscal responsibility begins at the top, doesn’t it.
: rroe
I hope your right. QWhat dismays me that most folks have not mentioned is the fact between Ezra Levant & Mark Steyn, Kate , Kathy, BCF, & many others handed the Conservatives .The CHRC on a platter. Even the opposition was getting angry with the Inquisition. What was the response? The same as the fascist left.
They gave it more money than strengthened it.
The Provinces followed suit.
This abomination to any Democracy is stamped approved by Harper & company.
Thats whats got me upset. The duplicity! These are CINO period. Your right as well folks there is no alternative. A slow decline under pseudo-conservatives, or a main crash with the Liberals. A total surrender to Islamics if the NDP.
So you have 3 choices really.
1) Statism with a slow dying
2) Tyranny than economic crash
3) Soviet-ism with the state in every orifice of your life.
JMO
Fourth Choice:
You moan.
Design a grassroots Conservative policy benchmark alternative online. It’s inexpensive, transparent, inclusive, and becomes probingly revealing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKftRlzh2RM
Harper is a sellout. He has done more damage to Conservatism than any Liberal or Socialist could of dreamed of.